Wikipedia : In the news/Candidates/February 2025

Fahads1982^talk/contrib 22:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SNOW close, subnational election. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Ontario general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A general election is held in Ontario, with the Progressive Conservative Party winning a majority of seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  In the 2025 Ontario general election, the centre-right Progressive Conservatives win a majority of seats.
Alternative blurb II:  An election is held in Ontario, with the Progressive Conservative party winning a majority for the third consecutive time.
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Nominated by Pnc4k (talk · give credit)

pancake (talk) 17:43, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - not a national election, probably not notable enough for an ITN spot. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. ITN has consistently declined to post sub-national elections, for good reasons. I see no reason to make an exception in this case. The article is mostly tables, with no prose on the outcome, so wouldn't be of sufficient quality anyway. Modest Genius ^talk 18:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - sub-national election with little change to the status quo. Departure– (talk) 18:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - are you trolling us User:Pnc4k? Particularly given the result is very similar to the last two elections. This is an absolutely nothing story - and so obviously not ITN that I have WP:CIR concerns. Even in Canada (where I voted yesterday in this election) this local story has the same prominence as Mummy Pig is pregnant. I'd argue that Mummy Pig is pregnant is more ITN, as it's getting international coverage. And even then, you missed the most significant international aspect of the election - that the right-wing was re-elected on a platform of attacking the nuttery in the USA. Nfitz (talk) 18:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright alright, let's remember WP:AGF and WP:NOBITING. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 19:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose regional election. Scuba 18:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RD/Blurb: Boris Spassky

Article: Boris Spassky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Russian chess player and former World Chess Champion Boris Spassky (pictured) dies at the age of 88. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Support Incredible chess player, deserves a blurb even 70.107.88.211 (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how ITN works, but this definitely deserves a blurb. His impact in the chess world was significant, there's even a variation named after him. This is all over the news. Sad. dxneo (talk) 22:52, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb on notability'. Absolutely transformative in his field as Boris_Spassky#Legacy briefly describes. Additionally, the 1972 Championship match against Fischer was important not to chess players, but a major symbol of US-USSR competition. Sincerely, Dilettante 23:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb as he was transformative figure in chess with great legacy, one of only seven living former undisputed World Chess Champions at the time of his death in a time span of more than 50 years and a household name far beyond chess. All this is well-documented in the “Legacy” section.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:24, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, Support blurb, legacy is properly demonstrated why he was a major figure in chess. However one quality issue is the unsourced list of notable games at the bottom. I know some of these are discussed in the body, so I'd suggest these be converted into context appropriate links using the external media template. Second, while I know outlining chess moves is that common in discussing the game, the amount of detail this is given is sorta eye-blurring particularly in the legacy section. I don't know how much those are needed and minimization will greatly help the topic. Masem (t) 23:33, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Adding that the Para in the Legacy sect ion with the chess moves is unsourced. I assume this can be easily fixed but that's needed to be fixed along with a couple other points there. — Masem (t) 00:07, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fix article first, then support on notability Spassky was an incredible chess player, even excluding the infamous 1972 WCC: note that back in 2008 when Bobby Fischer died, he was placed on ITN as a blurb (though of course 2008 was 17 years ago at this point). Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 23:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Notability is easily demonstrable. @Masem: I agree with the games list—their external links could just be turned into citations, for example—but I strongly recommend keeping the chess move notation and other details currently in the article. People uninterested in chess can easily gloss over them, while being easily available for anyone who actually needs it. Yo.dazo (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, not ready for RD. Needs some quality improvements, including some cn tags. His life is the main story, which meets criteria for RD and not for a blurb, regardless of his significance. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 23:59, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We're dealing with a major figure: he was Fischer's opponent in World Chess Championship 1972, which is almost legendary both in chess and in Cold War history (I know we should avoid puffery, but still.) Yo.dazo (talk) 00:05, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I interpret the major figure qualifier with a higher degree of significance -- e.g. Elizabeth II, I'm on the side of only using this provision for blurbing those for whom a detailed "Death of X" article is present or soon will be, and for whom a high degree of information surrounding the death/state funeral is widely published. I understand if consensus falls the other way, but this'll stay my vote. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 00:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Major field is based on the field the person was in, so that we're not trying to compare the achievements of an athlete or actor to a world leader, for instance. Masem (t) 00:28, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The standard is "Thatcher or Mandela stature". That applies whatever field you're in. Chess is quite a niche topic so it's clearly harder for someone in that arena to be considered than a world leader or a major leading actor. — Amakuru (talk) 00:45, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's no such standard on Wikipedia, and it's mostly used by editors who run out of arguments. In first place, it's impossible to compare people from different fields, so people should be considered on the grounds of their contributions to the respective field. Furthermore, chess is all but a 'niche topic' as more than 70% of the adult population in the US, UK, India, Germany and Russia has played chess at some point in their lives (UN).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning against blurb. Yes, he was world champion for a time, but he's not generally in the conversation for being the greatest ever. Kasparov, Fischer, Carlsen, Karpov, Capablanca, Morphy et al would usually be considered more transformative. I feel like in chess he's a big name, but not so much outside of it or so influential to merit a word. I can see why some think he should have one though. — Amakuru (talk) 00:43, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Being the world champion isn't the only reason. His impact was significant, and to say he isn't big outside chess isn't entirely true as he was portrayed as the main antagonist in the Bobby Fischer-center film, Pawn Sacrifice. Even non-champions like Hikaru Nakamura made a significant change in the world of chess. Maybe I notice such things because I follow chess, but I do see where you are coming from. dxneo (talk) 02:34, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your observation that he's not a big name outside of chess is outright wrong. His name alongside Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov has become synonymous with chess for a layman in the last decades of the 20th century. The reason for that is perhaps the politics behind the World Chess Championship 1972, but it's completely irrelevant at this point.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb per above, he was an extremely important chess player. His match with Fischer was one of the most important of all time, and he was of course champion. Wait on Quality as the article is horribly cited. --Spec tral Ion 02:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - one of the most famous chess players of all time. Wait/temporary oppose posting per quality concerns. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 03:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb on notability. However, the citation quality/presence in the article needs to be improved before posting. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would also support a blurb due to the subject's significance. I think the "life is the main story" test doesn't work very well here – at some point the person is so significant that even if they don't die in a bizarre way they deserve a blurb. Toadspike [Talk] 09:34, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He's not remotely "so significant" though, he's just a run-of-the-mill super grandmaster who happened to home the championship for three years. Similar to Vladimir Kramnik, Vishy Anand and Ding Liren. Are all those going to be blurbed? It seems like the only reason this is being considered is because he was the opponent in the match against Fischer and there's been so much said and written about that over the years. But that's not a reflection on Spassky himself. Don't get me wrong, he was a great player, but not transformative any more than Gene Hackman was in the acting sphere. — Amakuru (talk) 10:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not vital Famous mainly for his matches with Fischer, he's not among the twelve chess players graded as vital. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Since the vital article project purposely caps the number of articles they consider vital, this should not be taken as a metric at all in evaluating RD blurbs. — Masem (t) 15:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - The WP:VITAL project has a system of levels and the 10,000 level 5's seem far more systematic, comprehensive and encyclopedic than ITN's incoherent selections. Because ITN's blurb discussions are ad hoc and sui generis, they are inconsistent and incomprehensible. Spassky seems to be getting more support here than Hackman because some chess fans have turned up to vote for him and you see exactly the same sort of lobbying for footballers, rock stars and other fan favourites. But because WP:VITAL is systematic, it provides a more objective rating in which all chess players have been considered and Spassky hasn't made the grade whereas Hackman has been considered to be level 5 vital when compared with his peers. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is well-known for not being a reliable source, and that goes for its internal metrics or grading sstems, which are generally the preserve of a committed minority. Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 15:20, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And so the opinions in this discussion are not reliable either. That's one reason I like to look at the readership stats which are presumably reasonably accurate and represent the aggregate interest of the global readership. In this case, the readership views peaked at about 33K which is about 1% of the equivalent statistic for Gene Hackman. That's quite modest as these things go and indicates that the level of coverage and reader interest is comparatively small. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No that just favours celebrities. Secretlondon (talk) 17:30, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but... WP:VITAL only lists 12 chess players whereas it lists 168 film actors from the U.S. alone. Given that, I don't think we can read too much into Spassky's exclusion and Hackman's inclusion. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:40, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that there are a lot more actors than chess players with articles on Wikipedia but I'm not sure how to find out the exact numbers. Perhaps the VITAL project then makes the numbers proportionate to the overall population but, again, I'm not sure of the details. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:56, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia categories are terrible for this sort of datamining, but there are around 5,200 probable chess player biographies and at least 120,000 probable actor biographies. —Cryptic 17:19, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb. In Russian Wikipedia they have already published on the main page at 7 o'clock in the morning. Also Boris Spassky was the opponent of legendary Robert James Fischer in the Match of the Century. K. M. Skylark (talk) 16:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb, per above, however the article is lacking a lot of citations and should be improved before posting. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 18:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Highest title in arguably the second most popular sports/game in the world? Remember there's only been 8 world champs (ignoring pre-FIDE stuff) in the entirety of the XXth century and only 17 (if i've counted right) overall Udder1882 (talk) 19:46, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/Reminder Before this can be posted either as blurb or RD, please resolve the various [citation needed] tags throughout the article first. – robertsky (talk) 23:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Top of his field. ArionStar (talk) 15:09, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb As historically significant beyond the field as Kasparov, Fischer, Carlsen, Karpov, Capablanca, Morphy et al. Cheers, Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 15:17, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb per Udder1882. Flip^and Flopped ツ 16:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support blurb~~ Sorry: still needs a few citations. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:40, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. I would say that the only chess players to deserve a RD blurb would be undisputed World Chess Champions- so in the future, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, Carlsen, Ding, and Gukesh. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 21:19, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready yet, still has a fair amount of missing citations. Natg 19 (talk) 23:04, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose blurb as I did with Gene Hackman and David Lynch. We cannot be posting to ITN every time a famous old person dies. We have recent deaths for a reason. –DMartin 03:39, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Objectively fails blurb criteria. Article has zero information about the event that's not in the proposed blurb except for a single word giving the location of his death. Besides which, he wasn't "top of his field" as falsely claimed above, and hadn't been since 1972. —Cryptic 17:04, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He was indeed top of his field between 1969 and 1972. Not having been top of his field for a long time doesn't suddenly change history to make him never having been top of his field. Also, his 1972 match against Fischer has its own article, so info about that does not need to be in Spassky's article. I guess there could be an altblurb mentioning it. Spassky is fine on notability, the problem with this is the 19 CN tags on his article. Spec tral Ion 21:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, per above, especially this is what RD is for. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:30, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Admin comment I find that we have a rough consensus for a blurb, but it's an article with 15 citation needed tags and an orange-tagged section. If editors are inclined to fix up the article, we can post it. Schwede 66 18:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I shall note that a blurb is no longer possible as the oldest news item is from 2 March. As such, the discussion from here on in is about whether the bio is good enough for RD. Schwede 66 21:45, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Chris Hughes

Article: Christopher Hughes (quiz contestant) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, RTE
Credits:

Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Updated by Diademchild (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British quizzer and TV personality The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article is too stubby and has quite a few uncited statements. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Fakescientist8000: I have added more cites. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 06:08, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 26

Portal:Current events/2025 February 26

February 26, 2025 (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Somali Civil War
- African Union Support and Stabilization Mission in Somalia
  - The Somalian government and the African Union finalize the troop distribution for the new peacekeeping mission AUSSOM, resolving prior disputes with Ethiopia and later Burundi. The mission will deploy 11,900 personnel, including soldiers, police, and civilian staff. Under the agreement, Uganda will contribute 4,500 troops, followed by Ethiopia with 2,500, Djibouti with 1,520, Kenya with 1,410, and Egypt with 1,091. (VOA)
Sudanese civil war, 2024 famine in Sudan
- The United Nations-operated World Food Programme announces it has been forced to temporarily cease the distribution of humanitarian aid in the Zamzam refugee camp in North Darfur, Sudan, due to an escalation in fighting between the Sudanese Armed Forces and the Rapid Support Forces in the region. Doctors Without Borders also temporarily ceased operations in the camp last week. (DW)
Mexican drug war
- A roadside bombing kills a Texan rancher in San Fernando, Tamaulipas, Mexico. Authorities say the victim was driving on his ranch when the explosive device detonated. (El Financiero)

Arts and culture

Conservation and restoration of Pompeian frescoes
- Archeologists find monumental frescoes at the House of Thiasus in Pompeii, Campania, Italy, providing insight into the Dionysian Mysteries. (Reuters)

Business and economy

2025 United States tariffs against the European Union
- United States President Donald Trump announces impending 25% tariffs on the European Union, which he states will be generally applied to sectors such as the automotive industry. (The Guardian)
British oil and gas company BP announces an agreement with the Iraqi government to develop four oil fields around Kirkuk and increase production, with the value of BP's investment estimated at US$25 billion. (Society of Petroleum Engineers) (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

Eighteen people are killed and thirty-one others are injured when a bus overturns in Prachinburi province, Thailand. (CTV News)

Health and environment

An unvaccinated child dies of measles at a hospital in Lubbock, Texas, United States, as the first death since the disease was considered eradicated in the country in 2000. (ABC News) (AP)

International relations

United States–Venezuela relations
- U.S. President Donald Trump cancels energy corporation Chevron's license to operate in Venezuela. (Reuters)
United Nations Human Rights Commissioner Volker Türk condemns Israel's human rights violations in Gaza and denounces Israeli settlements. (Reuters)

Law and crime

2020 Nice stabbing
- Brahim Aouissaoui, the perpetrator of the 2020 stabbing in Nice, France, is sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. (CTV News)
2025 Romanian presidential election
- Călin Georgescu, the candidate received the most votes in the annulled 2024 presidential election, is detained by police and taken for questioning by the general prosecutor's office over allegations of false statements about financing sources, illegal possession of weapons, and forming an organization that is "fascist, racist, or xenophobic". (AP)
Milorad Dodik, President of Republika Srpska, an entity within Bosnia and Herzegovina, is sentenced to one year in prison and banned from participating in politics for six years for "separatist actions", such as advocating for secession. (The Guardian)

Politics and elections

2025 Anguillian general election
- The opposition Anguilla United Front (AUF) wins a majority in the House of Assembly. AUF leader Cora Richardson-Hodge becomes the first female Premier of Anguilla. (Jamaica Observer)
Freedom of the press in the United States, Gulf of Mexico–America naming dispute
- The Trump administration bans reporters from the Associated Press, Reuters, Der Tagesspiegel, and HuffPost from the White House over their refusal to refer to the Gulf of Mexico as the "Gulf of America". (Reuters)
Constitutional crisis in Somalia
- Somalia's Federal Parliament fails to meet due to a lack of quorum, with only 137 MPs present, two short of the required amount. The delay raises concerns about a potential no-confidence motion against Prime Minister Hamza Abdi Barre's council of ministers. (Hiiraan Online)

(Posted) RD: Betsy Arakawa

Article: Betsy Arakawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Gene Hackman's wife found deceased beside him. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:48, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Especially since Gene Hackman's death has also already been RD'd. The article looks good, it's a little short but definitely not a stub. --Spec tral Ion 21:34, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whether someone else's death was posted to RD has absolutely no relevance to whether this article should be on RD. The only thing that matters is whether the nominated article is nominated for speedy deletion (it is not), contains biographical content about the subject (it does) and if so whether it of sufficient quality for the main page (it is). Thryduulf (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article could be more in depth, but there is about enough there and it is all cited. Ideally the picture would have a date, but the source doesn't give one (beyond "in the last few years", which we couldn't use verbatim because of the vague relative time) so there isn't anything we can do about that. Thryduulf (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 09:18, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anike Agbaje-Williams

Article: Anike Agbaje-Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PM News Nigeria
Credits:

Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First woman to appear on television in Nigeria. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:10, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready. Stubby article. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 22:25, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted, someone who retired in 1988 in Africa is not going to be as widely covered, not a stub at all. Step hen 06:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled blurb, RD) RD/blurb: Gene Hackman

Posted as RD, then as a blurb, then pulled. It seems that this is where the consensus will remain now. --Tone 19:18, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Gene Hackman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American actor Gene Hackman (pictured) dies at the age of 95 (Post)
Alternative blurb: American actor Gene Hackman (pictured) is found dead alongside his wife in New Mexico at the age of 95
News source(s): BBC Santa Fe New Mexican
Credits:

Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Mezzanine96 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Has only 1 CN tag. Aydo h8^[contribs] 08:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

support blurb two oscars Fdfexoex (talk) 09:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have List of actors with two or more Academy Awards in acting categories. How many of the actors there who are still alive would we blurb? I could make rationales for Streep, Nicholson, Day-Lewis, De Niro, Fonda, Hoffman, Hanks and Caine; I'd struggle with the rest. Black Kite (talk) 13:21, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hackman is one of those. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you could come up with a rationale, but Black Kite couldn't, and that's the rationale of their note here. Departure– (talk) 15:11, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One of the greatest American actors of all time [2] plus clear case where death is the story that is in world news and literally every website makes that proposition for blurb. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality. Great deal of unsourced material at present. Innisfree987 (talk) 09:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD (when finished) Being worked on by a number of peeps as we speak, I don't think the article is in too bad shape. R.I.P. Govvy (talk) 09:38, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. A great actor no doubt, but merely winning Oscars isn't sufficient bar to blurb, there would be too many if we went down that route. There may be something unusual about the deaths given that his wife and dog died too, but I'd say unless it was a murder I wouldn't blurb it on that basis either. Quality has a long way to go for RD too. — Amakuru (talk) 10:29, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue even if it's accidental in terms of CO poisoning or something like that, it's still a bit rare and could warrant a blurb, especially to happen to someone like a two-time Oscar winner. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:43, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean yes, there's all that, but death blurbs are supposed to be rare and only for those figures whose death and funeral might warrant an article in its own right. I've long thought we should have the option of "sticky" RDs which sit at the front for a couple of days outside of the usual merry-go-round, with the option of a separate pic too, to cover these sort of in-between cases where the person's paticularly famous but an an outright blurb isn't warranted. French Wikipedia has an optional second photo slot for RDs. — Amakuru (talk) 10:52, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But still death is the story here, ir satisfies criterion. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:49, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BilboBeggins: @Amakuru: NYT report finding scattered pills by wife’s body and authorities now believe the death might be suspicious. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Not only his he a two-time Oscar winner and I'd argue significant in his field along with having some significant credits in many well known (and I'd argue) historical films, the circumstances of his death (found dead with his wife and dog at the same time; though no foul play is suspected) may also be another reason to consider a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:41, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
His Oscars were Best Supporting Actor in 1992 and Best Actor in 1971. He hasn't, even arguably, been at the top of his field for more than half a century. No blurb. Don't be ridiculous. —Cryptic 10:58, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
32 is "more than 50"...? Anyway, regardless of when he was at the top, the simple fact is he was. And adding Trachtenberg while at the same time omitting Hackman, that is "ridiculous". - \\'cԼF 18:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, that's my sentiment. Everyone thinks "I've heard of that guy" and immediately reaches for the "Blurb" button. But that's not how it's supposed to work. If Kirk Douglas and Vera Lynn don't fit in the blurb bucket then neither does Hackman. — Amakuru (talk) 11:21, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was wrong not to blurb them, If you use that argument then we can mention Dilip Kumar, Betty White, Fillipino actress, Indian singer Lata Mangeshkar, Shane Warne, O. J. Simpson. If they were blurbed so should be Hackman. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I believe Lynn and Douglas should have been blurbed (along with others like Havilland). I should clarify that Shane Warne was posted because of the nature of his death besides notability and there was wide agreement among sources and editors that both Kumar and Mangeshkar met the blurb criteria of being transformative and on the top of their field. Gloria Romero's blurb was pulled and I disagree with the postings of White and Simpson (as did many at the time and continue to do so). Gotitbro (talk) 20:56, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've long argued that an objective measure for a blurb where the death isn't usual, is a legacy or impact section backed by several RSes that explain how said person was a major or great figure in their field, which avoids the bulk of the hand waving and frankly OR claims of importance. Using this standard aligns with those in Gotitbro's comment (eg we would have likely Lynn but not White) Masem (t) 21:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"He hasn't, even arguably, been at the top of his field for more than half a century" - why do you say that? He was still top actor in 90s and 2000s, with lead roles in The Firm, Get Shorty, Crimson Tide, The Replacements, Enemy of the State, Behind Enemy Lines, Royal Tenenbaums. He had lead roles in films that are among best known in 70s, 80s, 90s and maybe even 2000s. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He won a Golden Globe for The Royal Tenenbaums. BD2412 T 23:28, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the leaning argument here is the circumstances of his death. NYT report finding scattered pills by wife’s body and authorities now believe the death might be suspicious. If true that this might be a murder-suicide scenario then I’d argue this death is quite Blue worthy since how often do we have a murder-suicide involving an Academy Award winning actor? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:48, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurb The person and circunstances of his death are relevant. ArionStar (talk) 11:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose on quality, and~~Support RD, Oppose blurb. Famous? Yes. Top of his field? Not really. Transformative? No. Black Kite (talk) 11:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Kite: Then look at the blurb argument from the other angle. NYT report finding scattered pills by wife’s body and authorities now believe the death might be suspicious. If it’s foul play/murder-suicide, I think that is a bit blurb worthy considering how rare and a bit odd that now there’s a story about a two-time 95 year old Oscar winner being the potential victim of a murder-suicide. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:50, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TDKR Chicago 101: That might be a reason to edge more towards a blurb ... but we don't know anything yet. Black Kite (talk) 12:33, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
CNN is saying we might not have a full answer for several weeks to the cause of death. We know they are treating the death as suspicious, but that only is a procedural aspects - besides more extensive testing of the bodies, they're also doing a more thorough investigation of the house, but its still possible that the end result could be something simply related to old age rather than foul play or suicide. Masem (t) 13:07, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait regarding blurb. If this is just a death from natural causes or something like that then we shouldn't blurb, if it turns out it's something like a murder-suicide then we should consider it. We simply don't have enough information at this time. Thryduulf (talk) 11:50, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb on basis of the claim of being a great/major figure. Nothing in the article indicates how he had a significant legacy or impact on Hollywood. However, the concerns on the manner of death may be reasonable (officially don't think it was foul play, I read the situation as being something like CO poisoning and rather common manner of death). Oppose RD due to lack of sourcing in filmography section. --Masem (t) 13:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NYT report finding scattered pills by wife’s body and authorities now believe the death might be suspicious. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:45, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I didn't propose either of the blurbs, only the RD. Thought I'd just clear that up. Aydo h8^[contribs] 13:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. While he's a great actor, I think he falls short ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:27, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I'm not basing my position on who was or wasn't posted in the past or whether he was transformative/influential or whatever term you want to invent. My concern is that Hackman isn't on the same tier as his contemporaries like De Niro, Eastwood or Pacino. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jessintime: NYT report finding scattered pills by wife’s body and authorities now believe the death might be suspicious. Would you consider a blurb if this is a case of murder-suicide? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:51, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think so, but I can also see scenarios where it still wouldn't be a murder-suicide. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 22:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb. One of the best known actors. Even Russian sources list him as one of the greatest actors of XX century [3]. And there could be also arguments for death as the story. But in that case we would need to name his wife, too. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:37, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. On one hand, that his Oscar wins were a half-century ago - should not be an impediment to a blurb. On the other hand - really - Gene Hackman? I don't think 40 years ago, that anyone would have thought that this is someone we'd consider in such a way. And how didn't we blurb Kirk Douglas and Vera Lynn? Good grief ... if Lynn doesn't pass the test, who does? Nfitz (talk) 14:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
His second Oscar win was not 50 years ago, 30 years. Then he won Golden Globe in 2000s. He was nominated for SAG twice, winning once, in 90s. Even in terms of awards only, he was top actor still in 90s and 2000s.

But we did blurb Sidnez Poitier who won one Oscar. How is Gene Hackman less influential then Sidney Poitier? Poitier was nominated for two Oscars, and Hackman for five, they both won Silver Bear. Poitier won 2 Golden Globes and honorary award and Hackman won 3 Globes and honorary award.

" I don't think 40 years ago, that anyone would have thought that this is someone we'd consider in such a way." On the contrary, 40 years ago he was top star, having appeared in previous decade in Conversation, French Connection, Poseidon Adventure, Superman. The other thing that there was no Wikipedia and no Internet. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:08, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell me you didn't just say "How is Gene Hackman less influential then Sidney Poitier?" ... oh, you did. Good grief. Black Kite (talk) 15:41, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sidney Poitier had only 4 roles in 34 years before his death, and only one was lead role, in not a famous movie. Hackman was still top actor in 90s. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:59, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Poitier was the first Black actor to win Best Actor and broke down a massive amount of barriers for Black actors in Hollywood. He had a far greater impact on cinema than just simply leading roles and award wins. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lynn failed because of a combination of mostly American "never heard of her" which should have been discounted on the spot but weren't, but also a number of "Not on the Thatcher/Mandela level" and pointing out that we recently hadn't blurbed Little Richard (which was also unforgivable IMO). Some comments that she wasn't important enough or transformative were quite funny, though. The one that amazed me was Douglas. Black Kite (talk) 15:20, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on notability. I definitely think ITN should be much more forgiving towards life-as-a-story deaths of major figures, but Gene Hackman definitely isn't among those I'd want to see posted. Departure– (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blub - American Celebrity dies should be RD not ITN. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NYT report finding scattered pills by wife’s body and authorities now believe the death might be suspicious. I think if the death wasn’t natural and if it’s indeed foul play, surely that would warrant a blurb. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:52, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Oppose blurb for consistency. Although I disagree with the extremely high bar we seem to have adopted, the fact remains that the community has routinely refused to blurb the passing of Hollywood legends of similar or higher stature. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:36, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD based on improved referencing. I may reconsider my oppose to a blurb in the unlikely event this turns into a murder case. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, Ad Orientem, the "high bar" you reference is primarily unwritten. There is plenty of leeway available to you to support, and that's the only way to change the "routine refus[als]". Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:30, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD once sourcing issues are solved, mostly at the television and theater sections. --NoonIcarus (talk) 17:23, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD if Michelle Trachtenberg is on the RD list, definitely should have Gene Hackman who is arguably more well known. --viridianwindow (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent point. @Black Kite:, what's the deal with Trachtenberg being on there anyway? - \\'cԼF 18:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per Recent Deaths standards, recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Once her article met quality standards, she was eligible for the list. The same will apply to Hackman. Determinations are not based on notability but on article quality, including citations and updates around the death. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thewolfchild Well exactly. When I commented originally, Hackman's article didn't meet ITNRD. Black Kite (talk) 19:26, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply. I see he is now listed and so I'm not looking to further debate how he got there, and when, compared to who, because of what, etc., etc. This was my first time addressing a Main Page issue, and will likely be the last. And with that, I believe another episode of Wikipedia Cat Rodeo is at a close. Cheers - \\'cԼF 03:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb if death is non-natural. Oppose blurb, support RD otherwise. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We won't find that out until an autopsy? Secretlondon (talk) 19:39, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, needs work for RD. Theater and TV filmography are uncited. Article is otherwise in good shape. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 17:51, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now support RD (I worked on said citations). ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:04, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD ~~a... "blurb", I suppose? (Does that mean his name is added to the list of recent deaths in the In The News section for a day or two?)~~ I really can't believe his name is not there, nor can I believe there is an actual dispute here about adding him. Of course you add him. All the major news outlets are reporting his death, so why is WP at odds with that? Most days when I look there, that little section is filled with a bunch of people named Joe or Jane, people I bet the majority of readers looking at that section never heard of. Well, people have heard of Hackman, they're seen his movies, his performances on stage, and they've read his books. He served his country as a Marine then went on to become one of the best at his craft. He is worthy of ~~a... "blurb".~~ a notice in RD - \\'cԼF 18:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity for some of the above new to ITN editors, "blurb" means that they get a bulleted "news headline" with a report of their death. "American actor Gene Hackman (pictured) dies at the age of 95." Every biographical article can be added to the list of recent deaths, provided they meet quality standards. The discussion for RD is only based on if the article meets quality standards. Natg 19 (talk) 18:14, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) What you're referring to is not a "blurb" but an "RD". The blurb would be a full line item up top amongst the other headlines, whereas RD is the list at the bottom, which is automatic once the quality is met. Unfortunately it isn't though, which is why He can't be listed in either location yet, and perhaps never will unless people work hard to eliminate the issues in the article. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 18:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both. Now I see why I kept getting edit conflicts when trying to correct that. - \\'cԼF 18:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb per arguments above, ~~weak~~ support RD - ~~there's still a handful of uncited items in the filmography, but for the most part~~ the article is good to go. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:36, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography now fully cited. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:48, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted as RD – robertsky (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Blurb Famous but not transformative/era-defining for American cinema. Should the death turn out to be a murder-suicide or similar, I support blurbing. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:20, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support RD, the article is satisfactory and based on the developing news, featuring in RD is a useful MP link while we wait before posting blurb for any conclusion on what a blurb would have to say. While I am still personally on the side of opposing blurbs for deaths where the death is not the story (i.e. we have RD for a reason), I also acknowledge that most users see blurbs as a recognition of outstanding lives and in my opinion, Hackman would meet the criteria such users set for having a blurb. I suppose that would make me a "support blurb if we have to" - however, I do not feel we should yet post a blurb until we know if it would be a "recognition of outstanding life" or "unusual death is the story". So wait, until there's further clarity from whoever is investigating - obviously all the details won't come soon but I expect it won't take longer than a week for them to say whether it's natural or foul play. Kingsif (talk) 23:48, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb There are several good reasons to blurb this including:

It's in the news in a big way, being all over the front pages of newspapers in the UK for example
The death is the story as it seems he and his wife were dead for days before being discovered
The subject was top of his field with two Oscars and an entire page devoted to his other awards
The topic is of huge interest to our readership with over 3 million of them reading the article on the news. Few deaths attract this level of attention.
The alternative is the bottom blurb about the Romanian PM. We've been running that for two weeks now and so it's well overdue for replacement as few people are reading it now – about three orders of magnitude less than Hackman. One of ITN's objectives is to "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource". Persisting with such a stale story does the opposite, giving the impression that ITN is broken and not staying fresh.
The article is of reasonably good quality with lots of content, over 100 citations and graded as vital.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:58, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+1. ArionStar (talk) 12:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb He had enough critical & commercial success to merit a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 12:22, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Most of that is completely irrelevant. Point 2 is directly relevant, but my "wait" recommendation from above still stands - we don't know enough yet. Point 3 is arguable (and regularly argued!) - some people see it is relevant, others do not with several people suggesting that if there isn't scope for an article about the death and/or reactions to the death (social media platitudes do not count) then there shouldn't be a death blurb. Everything else has consensus (in some cases very strong consensus) that they are not relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Posting Image Putting up a photo seems reasonable given that his death is under active investigation and the level of coverage this is all getting. Still opposed to a blurb though, unless this is ruled a homicide. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the cause of death becomes clearer. Support Altblurb if the death is found to be suspicious, and Oppose blurb if the death is found to be natural. --Spec tral Ion 18:30, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently the results may take several weeks, by which time of course this would be stale. Black Kite (talk) 18:57, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it takes too long then yeah I would continue to oppose. At least his RD is already posted, so his death gets some recognition. Spec tral Ion 21:03, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the results make the news when they are released, then we can consider a blurb at that time. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I don't see the RD posting as meaning we would be posting the same story twice (not quite the same but WP:ITNRD makes it clear that someone can have a blurb when they disappear and then later have an RD entry when they are declared dead in absentia, and that seems comparable to me). The only restriction I'm aware of is that the same person cannot have a blurb and an RD entry at the same time. Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb The fact that a famous person dies in strange circumstances is far from being a reason to have a blurb, not even if a violent death is proven. This is not a news portal, nor is it a scandal magazine. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You mean, Wikipedia ≠ TMZ? ArionStar (talk) 22:38, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that a famous person dies in strange circumstances is explicitly a reason to have a blurb – see WP:ITNRDBLURB which says
Death as the main story: For deaths where the cause of death itself is a major story (such as the unexpected death of a prominent figure by homicide, suicide, or accident) or where the events surrounding the death merit additional explanation (such as ongoing investigations, major stories about memorial services or international reactions, etc.) a blurb may be merited to explain the death's relevance.

In this case, see the NYT which has sections "Gene Hackman's Death; The Latest; What We Know; Jarring End to a Quiet Life; etc.". And they have a detailed story about the time that his pacemaker stopped, the medications, test results for carbon monoxide, etc. So, it's very clear that the death is a big part of the story here and so a blurb is appropriate.

Andrew🐉(talk) 00:01, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have no idea yet what the circumstances are, only that the police are considering them to be "suspicious" and having more than routine evalutions done. It still could be a routine death (given their age, there's a huge number of possible death cases that would be related to health conditions that would be considered routine). What we're seeing here is the media systematic bias that is around famous Hollywood people, the TMZ effect. We have to fight against that. Masem (t) 00:24, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The investigators have gathered lots of evidence already and so we have plenty to report. And we have plenty of readers who are coming to read it – the article was the top read by a considerable margin for the second day with over another million views. But, in Masem's view, we should ignore the media, ignore our readership, ignore the accolades and legacy and ignore the vital rating. Instead, ITN should do nothing so it hasn't posted a new blurb for 5 days. Tsk. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If it is confirmed as a crime, it is not extraordinary. We are not going to post all the celebrities who are murdered. That is not ITN's aim. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then the "Death as the main story" criterion should be removed altogether. As it stands, there is a fair argument to be made for blurbing ("such as ongoing investigations" - that's exactly what's happening here). TVShowFan122 (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb Famous, successful, revered actor who may have been blurbed anyways dies in suspcious circumstances. Seems like a good candiate for a blurb to me, thought I would suggest that the blurb could be altered to mention that his death has been called suspicious. Perhaps "American actor Gene Hackman dies at the age of 95 under suspicious circumstances, triggering an investigation" DriveAllKnight (talk) 03:22, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb per Andrew Davidson. He was a borderline candidate for a blurb on baseline notability given his success in his field, but the death under suspicious circumstances (confirmed as not carbon monoxide poisoning, FYI) is giving it even more enduring coverage in RS. There are additional articles about the death still being posted in top news outlets even as of this morning, and he died days ago. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted as blurb. There is a rough consensus to post, taking into consideration of the extended discussion. – robertsky (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Would you consider amending to post the altblurb instead? I regret not clarifying that in my above comment. I think the altblurb better conveys the "found dead under mysterious circumstances" aspect of the story. Flip^and Flopped ツ 16:33, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertsky: what the hell?? There's not remotely a consensus to blurb. Please pull immediately. — Amakuru (talk) 17:36, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if this seems overly blunt, but it makes a mockery of ITN if we have a lively debate, in which more people oppose the proposition than support it, only for one admin to randomly decide there's a "consensus" days later when presumably others had decided there wasn't one. It's a lopsided process that favours posting. — Amakuru (talk) 17:47, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTAVOTE. If you feel the arguments were weighed improperly, that's a matter for WP:AARV. I don't think favoring posting is bad- the German election had been at the top all this week. 331dot (talk) 18:08, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot If you think something was posted incorrectly then the first step is to note it in the discussion here, e.g. with a "pull" request. AARV is a couple of steps further down the dispute resolution pipeline. In this specific case I do not see a consensus for (or against) posting as a blurb currently. Thryduulf (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, but if it's felt that an admin acted improperly ("for one admin to randomly decide there's a "consensus" days later when presumably others had decided there wasn't one") in how they judged consensus(not just disagreement with the decision itself) it would seem to me AARV should be higher up the pipeline. 331dot (talk) 18:35, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, AARV is pretty useless here - by the time any decision is made, the item could be long-gone from the page and then what? Censure the admin who posted it? That's not really the point. The issue is an immediate one, with IMHO a need to remove an item from the main page that the the community had not given consensus for. Secondly (and I've said this repeatedly over the years) you simply cannot apply "NOTAVOTE" arguments to ITN discussions. Unlike RM and AFD, which have robust policies and guidelines backing them up, what qualifies ITN is almost entirely a subjective one (with the exception of ITN/R and RD entries, neither of which applies here). The only requirements are that it be in the news, article updated, quality concerns addressed, and the matter be "significant" - with very little in the way of objective criteria to evaluate that. So an admin applying "NOTAVOTE" and attempting to view the discussion through some sort of weight-of-argument measurement is in fact simply applying their own point of view, which is no more valid than anybody else's in the discussion. Thus although it's no ideal, we simply have no choice but to respect the numbers. And as Andrew says below, the numbers are split which means no consensus. — Amakuru (talk) 19:01, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a vote and not a weighing of arguments as most everything else on Wikipedia is, or we don't trust admins to judge the consensus here, then that should be spelled out in policy. I'll defer any other comment to a discussion raised elsewhere. Thanks 331dot (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's my understanding(maybe I'm wrong) that AARV is simply a forum to discuss most administrative actions and perhaps simply decide if they were proper/justified, not to assess punishment/censure. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The numbers opposing and supporting a blurb were roughly equal by my count at 13-13, (putting the waits in the support column, now that we see that the story has legs). You then have to weight by strength of argument. My reasoning was the only one to quote the ITN guideline which fits this case perfectly and that seems quite weighty. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:35, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't quote a guideline. You quoted an information page. From INFOPAGES, information pages, like essay pages, have a limited status, and can reflect varying levels of consensus and vetting Sincerely, Dilettante 20:25, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To add on to this, ITNRDBLURB reads In general, the following criteria are used to decide this. Like a PAG, then, this documents common procedure. Unlike a PAG, however, there is no claim that the information documented therein should generally be followed, only that it generally is. This is more akin to directly pointing at precedents, rather than pointing at a PAG. Since ITN blurbs are, for better or worse, typically argued almost entirely de novo, this shouldn't count for much. Sincerely, Dilettante 20:31, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) x3. An effect of such ITN discussions that involves multiple options, RD or blurb posting, the continued discussions in previous similar discussions is that, we regularly post up RD first when it is ok to do so while the discussion about the blurb continues until it either falls off the page or being closed from further discussions.

The discussions since have noted that the circumstances of his death is suspicious and that an investigation is underway, turning it into a main story, as noted by Andrew. I posted the original blurb, partly as what 331dot noted as well, it is difficult to succinctly indicate in the blurb. Nonetheless, the additional information is now in there, I am still trying to get it to be shorter.

Understanding that the investigation is still ongoing. If the investigation turns out nothing much, I am ok with it being amended further, either by putting the entry back into the RD row at where it was positioned, i.e. before Jeong Su-il's entry or remove the entry totally if there's isn't a spot left in the RD row. – robertsky (talk) 19:02, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull it, or we will have to go to more extensive dispute resolution. Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:37, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I support this being posted, what do you mean by "more extensive dispute resolution". BilboBeggins (talk) 17:40, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More extensive dispute resolution is things like WP:AN, where we discuss the admins actions and thought process, to seek prospective correction. Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:55, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Flipandflopped amended to altblurb as suggested. – robertsky (talk) 18:35, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The blurb makes it sound like he died because he was old, not under unexplained, sudden circumstances that don't seem related to his age or health(given that his wife was also found dead, similarly collapsed on the floor, as well as one of his dogs). Maybe there's really no way to succinctly indicate that in the blurb, but... I don't know. Just seems odd. 331dot (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support blurb/RD Good call by Robertsky; both the curious (so far) nature of his death (...speculation thereto) and his previous global renown make this a no-brainer. Alsdo per Andrew Davidson's acute analysis. Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 18:17, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, ESPECIALLY in its current state. Many of the blurb supports here mention the unusual circumstances as part of their reasoning. To omit that completely is a problem. For the record, I also oppose the posting of the death either way. --Torsodog^Talk 18:20, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retroactive oppose blurb as this is not of histroical significance. An elderly person dying is not news. –DMartin 18:27, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not evincing an opinion on whether a blurb here is needed; but it is clear from the discussion that there is either no-consensus or a slight opinion against a blurb. The major reason for supporting a blurb is death as a story which maybe justified but note the current blurb has no indication of that (making it appear to be a posting based solely on ITN siginificance which is not the case). PS: Note though that the latest news reports point towards an accidental death, and I am not sure how much weightage do freak accident deaths actually carry on ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 18:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion: There is a concise alternative available at "errors" to what is now an even longer sentence. --Gaois (talk) 19:09, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well I have acted on this "suggestion" and posted a note there. I hope this won't be considered badgering or forum-shopping, but it would be good if someone independent could look at it. CHeers — Amakuru (talk) 19:31, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the UK media is not what should be looked in to assess notability for American news. We get loads and loads of it Kowal2701 (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting oppose blurb While Gene Hackman was a highly respected and accomplished actor, simply winning two Academy Awards does not automatically warrant a blurb. Many actors with similar accolades have not been given this recognition upon their passing. His career, while impressive, peaked decades ago, and his influence on contemporary cinema waned. While the circumstances of his death reveal an unusual or newsworthy aspect beyond natural causes, this does not rise to the level of figures whose deaths have had a global cultural or historical impact. A listing under Recent Deaths (RD) is appropriate, but a blurb would set a precedent that could dilute the standard for such recognition. --Bedivere (talk) 19:25, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to policy unusual cirumstances of a death do merit it a blurb; see WP:ITNRDBLURB. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is not a policy but an information page. His death is nowhere meriting a blurb. Bedivere (talk) 19:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then I suggest that you work to change what WP:ITNRDBLURB says. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that we don't know the manner of death yet, it could be unusual, it could be something just dealing with age. Playing on the speculation around the cause is something left for TMZ and other tabloids to focus on, not WP until the information is actually determined. Masem (t) 19:51, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He was found in one room, his wife in another, and his dog somewhere else. Sounds pretty unusual to me. But I digress. Thanks 331dot (talk) 20:08, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ITNRDBLURB is certainly not a policy, and in any case it merely says "If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb. (emphasis mine). Certainly not that a blurb is mandated. — Amakuru (talk) 20:00, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It still says what it says and if we're not going to do it, it should be changed. Thanks. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't say that though, as I've just explained. It says they may be posted for that reason, not that they must. In fact, you yourself pulled the story on Park Won-soon when there wasn't consensus for it. But death was the story there, he didn't die of natural causes. — Amakuru (talk) 20:14, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kudos to you for pulling up something from four and a half years ago; I don't recall those circumstances(though he was a local official who merely served a long time). I didn't say it was mandated, but if we're not going to follow our own guidelines at all, they should be changed. I don't have anything else to say. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The point is that the guidelines say "may", not "must" or "will". It is fair to raise the question if these death circumstances are unusual enough to be considered for a blurb, but that's still a decision to be reviewed by consensus, not mandated by the guideline (in comparison with how non-blurb RDs are to be included once quality is met) --Masem (t) 20:31, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
it's not even a guideline, much less a policy, it's just an information page. It is not a mandate to anything. Bedivere (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No comment on the blurb, but WP:ITN is the de facto guideline for ITN, inasmuch as WP:AFD isn't "just an essay". —Bagumba (talk) 03:35, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Page views do not matter. Secretlondon (talk) 19:41, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Blurb as per Bedivere. Less notable with JEJ even with the mysterious death. Sharrdx (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb due to the career achievements + the days-long news cycle his death has generated. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:30, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb per above. The bar for blurbing is rightfully extremely high, and Hackman, while famous, does not meet it. RD is sufficient. Sdkb ^talk 06:12, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FYI as discussion still continues, note that Hackman was the top read article on Wikipedia for a third day, attracting more interest than all other topical topics such as Pope Francis, Ramadan, Trump, Musk and the rest. Our other blurbs all have a comparatively small readership. Note also that Angie Stone is a recent RD which is attracting a lot of interest too but she doesn't seem to have been nominated yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:02, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We're not a tabloid. Secretlondon (talk) 15:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The media source I've been checking for this is the New York Times and that's not a tabloid. They are still publishing more stories about this. For example, this was their #2 Trending story when I checked just now. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:33, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support blurb. It is a textbook death as the story example. The coverage is still there. The situation has changed. Plus he qualifies as major figure. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:05, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb – Who? What? How are editors seriously supporting this? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He was described as one of the biggest stars of the New Hollywood cinema. ArionStar (talk) 14:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hardly of worldwide significance. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 00:05, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you being serious? Two time Oscar winner, Berlin winner, Cecil De Mille Honorary Award Golden Globe winner, Clint Eastwood and Coppola collaborator, one of the greatest or the greatest American actor [4], death is now discussed on little every news outlet so it is impossible to miss it [5][6][7][8]. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:35, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm very serious, and judging by the links provided, this is of interest almost exclusively in the USA. Pull was definitely the right call. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 00:05, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you've not heard of someone, you're not in a position to judge. But also, how not? Kingsif (talk) 23:11, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I am absolutely in a position to judge, and I am pleased to see it has now been pulled. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 00:05, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb per numerous above (and the spurious guesswork and tasteless comments about this being a potential murder-suicide are disgusting, let alone a flagrant breach of BLP, given BLP still counts for recent deaths). - SchroCat (talk) 12:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb this sensationalist crap on the front page is not a remotely supportable editorial decision for the encyclopedia. WP:NOTTABLOID and WP:BDP are more than enough to oppose putting, this 'we don't know, something happened which may be something but we don't know speculation about a person's recent death' blurb in ITN. Alanscottwalker (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where in the blurb is there speculation about his cause of death.... are we reading two different blurbs? It literally says the circumstances are under investigation, which is a factually and objectively true statement, and is the exact opposite of speculative. This is not only targeted at you but is more of a general comment; with this being said, I am quite bewildered at experienced editors showing up at ITN, quite aggressively attacking an admin for making a consensus decision they disagree with when it is clear the votes are roughly ~50/50 split, and wantonly calling others, for example, "tasteless" or "promoters of "sensationalist crap". WP:AGF governs just as equally as WP:BDP. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:09, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No. Nothing of what I wrote spoke of anyone's intentions only the result, which is horrible. (And nothing the prior person wrote had to do with intentions, only actions, criticizing what others said). The under investigation part is the 'we don't know, something happened and we don't know what' which is absurd for an encyclopedia to jump on. The administrator made a terrible decision on a flimsy basis on a matter in contention. And you are wrong, WP:BLP takes precedence especially with a matter in contention, the thing to do under BLP is remove the Blurb, while discussion is ongoing. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:21, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I stand by tasteless, particularly many of the comments here are outrageous breaches of our BLP policy. Why the fuck are people talking about murder-suicide when there is zero information about what happened? A stack of these comments should be deleted under the BLP policy and some people left messages telling not to be so idiotic and stupid as to put forward their brain-dead theories. We have a BLP policy for a reason - and it should have stamped down on several comments in this thread straight away. - SchroCat (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are taking comments out of context in order to make some pretty serious allegations about other editors. Aside from perhaps one commenter who asked multiple people if their views would change if it was a murder suicide, most of the mentions of "murder suicide" in this thread are people saying to WAIT to post the blurb unless there is more evidence that the death flowed from something more like foul play: so, the opposite of a rush to judgment. Amongst the supporters, the reliance is simply on the manner of death being so unusual as to generate excess coverage in reliable sources: even if it is a highly unusual accident, it is the unusual death of a well-known person itself which generates the notability, not theorization of a murder. To this end, the Santa Fe Sheriff's Office themselves has declared the death "suspicious" and there is widespread acknowledgment within the RS that the death is highly unusual. If you disagree with the sheriff's decision or how the media, including RS, are characterizing the death as "suspicious", take that up with them instead of attacking and maligning other editors in violation of WP:AGF. ITN is not the place to litigate how the sheriff and media are choosing to describe the investigation. Flip^and Flopped ツ 16:08, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No. Opposition has nothing to do with taking issue with the media or the sheriffs, it has to do with poor (and in the case of the administrator, unsupportable) decisions made by Wikipedians. Wikipedia is not the media, nor are we sheriffs. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:18, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Respectful opposition is one thing. Bludgeoning the discussion and using a collective we to intimidate the posting admin ("we" will take you to dispute resolution), accusing 13+ editors of "fuelling crap" and being "tasteless" based on the comments of a single editor, and advancing a false allegation that simply stating factual information ("the circumstances are under investigation" is factual), somehow constitutes a BLP violation, is what I take issue with. Flip^and Flopped ツ 16:26, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care what you take issue with: BLP is one of our most stringent policies on Wiki, and numerous people have completely ignored it to post nonsense that just rides roughshod over it. Describing those comments as tasteless is about as respectful as I can be on unmitigated nonsense like that. I don't think you can point to either side in this discussion and say that they are responsible for bludgeoning either - that's incredibly blinkered and utterly erroneous. Both sides have been doing that and the thread is littered with examples. I suggest you have another look to see; maybe count them up as I suspect there have been more bludgeons of the opposes, rather than support (not that I care either way too much, nor does it really matter: both sides have been doing it, which is the point). - SchroCat (talk) 16:39, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bludgeoning? I think you must be referring to your comments. (Just look at where you are posting.) And no, using the "we" is standard practice when talking about what we do. We are responsible. And you have to be open to criticism of your positions, even strong criticism of your positions. Re-read WP:BDP, it is concerned with the implications of words - the implications of our words matter -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:43, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull What on earth is the point of a discussion if it's going to be unilaterally discarded by a single admin? What nonsense. Black Kite (talk) 14:02, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Many arguments against blurbing are not based on rules. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All the opposes look to be based on "rules," the rules of ITN and Policy. Was he transformative, etc, and what kind of suggestive speculation belongs. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 15:57, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he was transformative, Rolling Stones called him greatest American actor. Dustin Hoffman likened him to Brando. He is top of the field. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:42, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Youve said that a couple of times already, but neither of those sources support ‘transformative’, nor does anything in the article. Don’t get me wrong, he’s one of my favourite actors and (in my opinion) his name in the cast list is a stamp of quality, but I’m struggling to see ‘transformative’ or any other real metric which puts him in the acting equivalent of Thatcher/Mandela. - SchroCat (talk) 17:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, you admit that transformative, etc, discussion in the opposes is applying "the rules". Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With that one I agree. I was referring to the comment like "American Celebrity dies should be RD not ITN". That someone is American plays no role in blurbing, also being a celebrity does not rule out blurbing (see Tina Turner, Betty White, Sidney Poitier, O. J. Simpson, Maggie Smith). BilboBeggins (talk) 18:13, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's fair, because you could change American to any other nation, and it would still be an expression of the 'routine rule'. Alanscottwalker (talk) 18:44, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can see, most Opposes seem to be pretty rules-based, though ironically a lot of the Supports appear to be something that should probably be called WP:WELLKNOWNACTOR, rather than any "rule". Black Kite (talk) 16:02, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pull - I agree with pretty much everyone else above, this was a bad post. — E_F⁵ 16:04, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have been trying to suggest the following since yesterday, though it is always removed or overlooked.

"American actor Gene Hackman (pictured) is found dead at his home in Santa Fe, New Mexico." The "American" at the beginning means it is probably unnecessary to state where New Mexico is. It is concise and does not focus on speculation (so should not require regular updating if new information emerges). By stating it as simply as possible there is no need for words such as "circumstances" and "investigation", which makes it longer anyway. This can/should be enacted immediately if this is a BLP emergency. This appears to be a concern for many in opposition here (I haven't supported or opposed so am not really involved otherwise). The discussion can always continue afterwards. --Gaois (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is the second time in little over a month that robertsky has posted a recent death blurb without consensus; the previous one was Gloria Romero (discussion link), which was pulled after being posted wildly prematurely. More care is clearly required here. Black Kite (talk) 16:13, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the next stop is WP:AN, given that. This is terrible precedent. Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:25, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gloria Romero has 18 articles in different languages, Gene Hackman has 79 as of now. He warrants blurb more than her. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Utterly not the point of my comment, but carry on. Black Kite (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Kite, what you say is without consensus, I saw as a rough consensus at the time of posting. You said more care is required here, but there was an intervening period of about 2 days which the discussion had remained opened before I made that decision. It wasn't done in haste at that point in time, and I believed that there was an allowance to post given that it is not strictly prohibited ("may", anyone?) in WP:ITNRDBLURB. If 2 days of extended discussion is being hasty, I shall not be bothered with posting up blurbs after RDs have been posted in similar discussions in the future. – robertsky (talk) 01:46, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Robertsky There was absolutely no consensus - not even a rough one - at the time of posting the blurb. Indeed, there were more people opposing a blurb than supporting it. Did you count those supporting an RD as supporting a blurb (though there would still have been no consensus)? Black Kite (talk) 14:38, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Kite I tallied only those that had blurb for or against. I am not sure how you counted, but the votes were the same, what tipped to rough consensus for were the strengths of arguments. – robertsky (talk) 17:47, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertsky I don't see how you got either equal numbers or strength of arguments. Looking only at the numbers, at the time this was posted the counts were:
Support blurb explicitly: 8 (Fdfexoex, TFKR Chicago 101, ArionStar, BilboBeggins, Andrew, Blaylockjam10, DriveAllKnight, Flip and Flopped)

Support blurb implicitly: 0

Oppose blurb explicitly: 13 (Amakuru, Black Kite, Thryduulf, Masem, Jessintime, Nfitz, Departure, Harizotho9, Ad Orientem, Malvoliox, TheKip, Dilettante, Alsor,

Oppose blurb (implicitly): 4 (Govvy, Cryptic, NoonIcarus, SpectralIon)

No stated opinion on blurb: 3 (Audoh8, Innisfree987, Thewolfchild)

Other: 2 (Wildfireupdateman, Kingsif)
So even if you count only the explicit !votes and count the others (those who express a more complicated position) as supporting a blurb (when at the time it was posted they were closer to opposing) that's still 13-10 against. Thryduulf (talk) 18:14, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. And not only that, many of the Support arguments don't really relate to a blurb at ITN, for example ("has two Oscars", "very famous actor", "One of the best known actors", "enough critical & commercial success to merit a blurb"). Robertsky: I would take your own advice and hold off posting blurbs on this page. Black Kite (talk) 19:07, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pull hastily published. There was no clear consensus and the real trend is against blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:57, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
24 hours later - why is this still up? — Amakuru (talk) 20:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's dubious that there was ever consensus for posting, but the many oppose/pull !votes since then make it very clear that there is not consensus for it now. I'd suggest that the next uninvolved (I !voted above) admin to come across this action the pull. Sdkb ^talk 21:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also involved but I agree with Sdkb. If there ever was consensus for posting then there definitely isn't now. Thryduulf (talk) 21:42, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Timezone difference? And had been recovering from an earlier food poisoning episode, and sleep. Would have pulled about now given the evolving consensus. – robertsky (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled Step hen 22:51, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that 90 minutes ago and didn't have enough time to deal with that prior to having to go into a meeting. Was going to do it now; good to see that Stephen has dealt with it already. Schwede 66 23:25, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Stephen for pulling. Would have dealt with this similarly about now as well. – robertsky (talk) 01:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don’t know whether this is still open but compared to the amount of “thing crashes, people die” WP:NOTNEWS occurrences, routine elections, and obscure sports events routinely appearing on the front page I don’t get why Hackman “only” being a highly acclaimed and iconic two-time Oscar winner is disqualifying. Dronebogus (talk) 23:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Look at it this way: How many two-time Oscar winners are there? Quite a few. And since the Oscars are primarily in English, we have to multiply by every other language's film industry. If we blurbed for every death of an actor with that level of fame, it'd be on ITN fairly frequently. And if we applied the same standard to deaths in other industries, we'd have RDs on ITN constantly. There is no question that Hackman was highly acclaimed in his field. But the RD list is meant to contain recent deaths for the vast majority of notable persons, including highly acclaimed ones. The only exception to this is people whose death is such a monumental event that it constitutes an ITN-worthy event in and of itself, such as heads of state whose death precipitates a period of national mourning. That's a narrow exception, but there is pressure every time someone famous dies to expand it, and if we don't maintain it then we'll end up in a situation in which the RD loses its purpose. Death of Gene Hackman is currently a redirect, not even a standalone article, let alone one with ITN-level significance, so it does not meet the standard for blurbing. Sdkb ^talk 00:21, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose blurb I guess I would draw the line at 2 Lead Oscars. A Lead and a support, is just below where I could really show strong support. I am a big fan of his work. Being retired for over 20 years means a lot of our readership does not remember him as a working actor.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:40, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. My 2c. I have shared this position of mine prior as well. Articles once posted to the mainpage should NOT be pulled unless there is an error (i.e. the fact being posted to mainpage is no longer true) or the article does not meet hygiene expectations of the mainpage. Yes, consensus can evolve and change, but, that is alright. Alternately, if you believe that the posting admin has incorrectly read the consensus, a gentle reprimand (e.g. a WP:TROUT) will do. That said, I have no view for or against this posting. Ktin (talk) 01:41, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, the repeated song and dance of pile-on calls to pull after a death blurb has been posted is getting pretty old. I think it reflects poorly on us. Connormah (talk) 03:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull - It was weird to have this as a blurb. Solid actor, notable, well-known, award winning, very nice guy, and a marine -- all that being true, sentiment is not a reason to have a blurb. Jehochman ^Talk 03:09, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull there is obvious consensus. Why are we still talking about this? –DMartin 03:34, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: –DMartin 03:35, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dmartin969 it was pulled about 5 hours ago and hasn't been reposted, it can't be pulled again. If instead you meant to say "repost" then that's not going to happen: there was no consensus when it was posted, the arguments against posting were more numerous and stronger between it being posted and it being pulled, and nothing has changed consensus-wise since it was pulled. Thryduulf (talk) 03:42, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My fault. I didn't notice it had been pulled, I just assumed it hadn't since the discussion hadn't been closed. You know what they say happens when you assume… –DMartin 03:44, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the record note that the readership for Hackman yesterday dropped to the point that it was only the #2 top read story with 375,000 views – but still way more than the other ITN blurbs. Replacing his blurb with the Oscar ceremony makes a nice segue as he won two himself and a special tribute was made about him at that ceremony, seeming to stand out from all the others in the In Memoriam segment.

And, despite all the fuss here about RD/blurb, I don't get the impression that this has been noticed or made any difference outside of the ITN bubble. It was a storm in a teacup.

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:45, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This discussion proves once again that while "death not relevant/not the story/not extraordinary" is a valid, routinely used argument for opposing any blurb of a person whose death wasn't unexpected, when the death truly IS the main story, Wikipedians choose to collectively ignore that. At this point, there's no logic at all behind any figure being/not being blurbed, it usually goes down to fans of the dead person vs. people who have never heard of them (often because they're from a different continent) arguing for/against a blurb precisely because they're fans/because they've never heard of them. The rules should be modified to either explicitly mention that only influential former state leaders - the only individuals for whom bona fide consensus is able to develop - can get blurbed (current state leaders are ITN/R anyway), or to entirely eliminate the possibility of blurbing deaths. But frankly, even doing away with ITN altogether wouldn't be a bad idea, that section is not what attracts people to the site in any case. TVShowFan122 (talk) 16:10, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Just like the "major figure" criteria, "death as the news" is a subjective measure. But most of the time we've used this in the past the means of death was clear, like assassination, death by suicide, or being in a major transportation accident. The situation around Hackmans death is still up in the air of whether it was natural causes or suicide or something else, but key is that emphasizing that speculation is trending on bad BLP waters, we are not TMZ. It us absolutely fair to say that we should elevate an yet known cause of death, particularly as we are also seeing editors here trying to push the "major figure" reason with lots of handwaving of demonstrating importance. It's far more complicated than previous RD blurbs as to not try to use this as a reason to push change. — Masem (t) 18:02, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest Close There is no realistic likelihood of a consensus forming to post this as a blurb. It's time to lower the curtain and move on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:29, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Discovery of Pompeian frescoes

Consensus to post will not develop. Step hen 22:50, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Conservation and restoration of Pompeian frescoes (talk · history · tag) and House of Thiasus (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Archeologists discover historical large frescoes at the House of Thiasus in Pompeii, Campania, Italy, providing insight into the Dionysian Mysteries. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 02:23, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality. The first bolded article does not mention the discoveries, and the second bolded article is purely a stub. Besides quality concerns, discovery of frescoes may not be ITN-significant either. Natg 19 (talk) 03:03, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That the frescoes relate to the Cult of Dionysus - one of the bigger mysteries of ancient Rome - indicates there is likely some significance, but it is impossible to tell with the article(s) in such inadequate states. Curbon7 (talk) 03:25, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and weak oppose on notability per Natg. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support in principle - the "discover" article should NOT be the bolded one, it hasn't even been edited since April last year. The actual target article, House of Thiasus, is a stub, so strong oppose on quality. Departure– (talk) 03:39, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe It's in the news and so merits attention. But I get the impression that there's a lot more to it than this particular fresco. For example, I find that there was a recent Great Pompeii Project which lasted 10 years and did a huge amount of work, including a discovery which helps date the eruption. This latest discovery seems to be part of a subsequent big dig which is ongoing and so generating regular reports such as last month's bathhouse. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:27, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Interesting finding, but new friezes and mosaics are being uncovered at Pompeii every few years, as more of the site is excavated. These latest ones do not seem particularly unusual or influential - they provide only an incremental advance in our understanding. That's reflected in the media reports, which provide few details, being mostly background about the site. The House of Thiasus article (which should be the bold link) is a two-sentence stub, while Conservation and restoration of Pompeian frescoes does not even mention the latest findings. Modest Genius ^talk 13:28, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PS. If House of Thiasus can be sufficiently expanded, it might work at WP:DYK. Modest Genius ^talk 14:10, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per MG. This is but one set of several such discoveries over the years, and while it is important to study to learn more about the culture at the time, isn't likely to bring us any breakthroughs in understanding what happed in Pompeii. Masem (t) 13:43, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - While cool, I don't see this being ITN-worthy to a large audience; things like this happen all the time (per MG). — E_F⁵ 14:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The first bolded article has no update and the second bolded article is a stub. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Anil R. Joshi

Article: Anil R. Joshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chitralekha (in Gujarati), Indian Express
Credits:

Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Gazal world (talk · give credit) and Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Might need some copyediting Fahads1982^talk/contrib 18:56, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article seems adequate enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 22:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – robertsky (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michelle Trachtenberg

Article: Michelle Trachtenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jolielover (talk · give credit), CarciaNullius (talk · give credit) and Malvoliox (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the usual reason of a mostly-uncited filmography. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:55, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now fully cited. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 20:20, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Notable death, highly covered in international news. --CommanderShepardX (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@CommanderShepardX Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:54, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't need your opinion on the interpretation or classification of ITN. CommanderShepardX (talk) 19:12, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That literally is ITN's guideline, not my opinion. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think The Kip is trying to be snarky; your comment is confusing because it is unclear what you are "supporting". Notability and internationality of coverage is simply not a consideration for whether an article is suitable for RD - that is only a criterion for a blurb. However, this nomination is not for a blurb, and nobody has yet explicitly proposed a blurb. So, are you suggesting she should have a blurb in addition to RD, or did you just not realize that RD noms are only about article quality? Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:10, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Needs work This article will be getting lots of readers regardless of what ITN does – it's had over 100K in the last month and that's before this news. Those readers won't be looking for references for the filmography – that's a very low priority. They will be starting with the lead which currently doesn't even say that she's dead. It's the details of the death which are the priority because it was untimely and her illness/liver transplant is currently unclear. The NYT published a short report just 37 minutes ago which says that "A full obituary will follow." We should follow their lead as we want a good respectable source like this. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:58, 26 February 2025 (UTC)(edit conflict)[reply]
Oppose for now. As the top editor of the page in terms of authorship, I do not believe it has reached quality standards expected of articles featured on the main page. As previously stated, much of the filmography is uncited, and some statements in the main prose too. I've been trying to help on the citations bit, however the high number of edits every minute makes this really hard. I'm going to postpone my editing attempts until tomorrow so the page can hopefully cool down; then, we can work on the citations and prose, and I'm sure the article will be good to go :) jolielover♥talk 19:09, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support the article has improved significantly, all sourced up, adequate for main page jolielover♥talk 02:51, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - quality concerns. Getting closer to adequate quality, though. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, article is in good shape, not perfect, but certainly acceptable. –DMartin 19:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Notable, and article is not in a bad shape. It is definitely better than some of other, current RD article's quality. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 19:36, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. All CN tags have been addressed; the article is not perfect (still needs more info on her death, but that is forthcoming). However it is well above the typical minimum threshold which we require for RD. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:13, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now (until the page stabilizes a bit). We are getting a lot of vandalism right now. If we're able to get to a stable version soon enough, it is well-cited and contains the bones of being ready, save for the aforementioned unconstructive edits. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 22:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per FlipandFlopped. Steam5 (talk) 01:37, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support and marked ready. there are no outstanding tags, no glaring errors or omissions (afaict there is no more information about her death that has been made public). The article is semi-protected which seems to have dealt with the vandalism, so no reason not to post (I'd do it myself if I were more awake). Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I am holding off posting this until at least 4 hours from now as the current bunch of RDs are on there for less than 12 hours. – robertsky (talk) 04:01, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 11:19, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeong Su-il

Article: Jeong Su-il (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20250225115600004
Credits:

Nominated by Didgogns (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former North Korean spy, NK defector, one of leading West Asia experts in South Korea Didgogns (talk) 03:06, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Biographical sections are barely longer than a stub, and the Writings and Translations sections are wholly uncited. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:55, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A North Korean spy who became an Arabic and Silk Road expert and posed as a Filipino in the Middle East (aka Muhammad Kansu); defected to South Korea and furthered his research on the Silk Road. Quite a story, the lead simply does not do a good job at all. Gotitbro (talk) 15:44, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support the lead and article have been expanded. This is an interesting story about a person. Rynoip (talk) 20:33, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support The issues mentioned in the first comment seem to have been cleaned up, the article seems well cited and sourced. Seems fine to me to run. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted– robertsky (talk) 19:39, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 25

Portal:Current events/2025 February 25

February 25, 2025 (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Uvira offensive
    - The Congolese military launches an attack against M23-aligned rebels around the town of Minembwe in South Kivu in an effort to recapture it, and claims to have killed four rebel commanders in a drone strike. (Critical Threats Project)
Syrian civil war
- Israeli invasion of Syria
  - The Israeli Air Force strikes targets throughout Southern Syria as Israel begins a military operation to "demilitarize" the southern Syrian governorates of Daraa, Suwayda and Quneitra. Syrian state media reports airstrikes near Damascus. At least two people are reportedly killed. (ABC News) (The Times of India)
2020s European re-armament
- The United Kingdom announces an increase in military spending to 2.5% of its GDP by 2027, and 3% by 2034 at the latest. The move comes just before UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer is to meet with U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday in Washington, D.C. (The New York Times)
Casamance conflict
- The Senegalese government and the Movement of Democratic Forces of Casamance reach an agreement to end their 40-year conflict at talks mediated by Bissau-Guinean President Umaro Sissoco Embalo. (The Defense Post)
Central African Republic Civil War
- Nine people are killed and hundreds of homes are burned down in 3R rebel attacks in Bamingui-Bangoran, Central African Republic. (AP)

Business and economy

American fabrics and handicraft supplies retail chain Jo-Ann Stores files its second bankruptcy claim and announces it will close all 800 stores in the 49 states, with liquidation sales beginning immediately. (NPR)
Iraq agrees to reopen the oil pipeline between Iraqi Kurdistan and Turkey after a conversation between U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Iraqi Prime Minister Mohammed Shia' Al Sudani, having been closed for two years due to a dispute between Iraq and Turkey. (Andalou Agency) (The Arab Weekly)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Chile blackout
- A nationwide power outage occurs in Chile, impacting most of the country's population and causing the temporary stoppage of several significant industries. (Reuters)
2025 Queensland floods
- At least twelve people are killed by a melioidosis outbreak caused by standing waters from persistent flooding in Queensland, Australia. (7News)
2025 Sudanese Air Force Antonov An-26 crash
- A Sudanese military plane crashes shortly after takeoff from Wadi Seidna Air Base on the outskirts of the capital Khartoum, killing at least 46 people and injuring several others. (BBC News)
Four workers are killed and six others are injured when an elevated highway under construction collapses in Cheonan, South Chungcheong Province, South Korea. (AP)
A magnitude 5.9 earthquake hits near the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, with no damage reported. (ABC News)

International relations

Rwanda–United Kingdom relations, Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict
- The UK government suspends financial aid and imposes economic sanctions on several high-ranking Rwandan officials over the country's military support for M23 rebels in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Reuters)
Ukraine–United States relations
- Ukrainian Justice Minister Olha Stefanishyna announces that Ukraine has reached a deal with the United States on mineral resources. (Kyiv Independent)

Law and crime

2025 Thiruvananthapuram mass murder
- A man brutally beat ( five people, including his brother, girlfriend, to death with a hammer in Thiruvananthapuram, Kerala, South India. gulfnews Economic Times
Environmental issues in Brazil
- The Brazilian Public Prosecutor's Office files a lawsuit against mining corporation Vale S.A. and the state of Pará for mass metal poisoning that has affected the Xikrin indigenous people, whose Indigenous Territory is located in the state. (News-Press NOW)
The Indonesian Attorney General’s Office arrests three executives of state-owned oil and gas company Pertamina on charges of corruption and fraud regarding gasoline quality that cost the government more than $11 billion USD. (The Straits Times) (The Jakarta Globe)

Politics and elections

Second presidency of Donald Trump
- Executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump
  - U.S. District Judge for the Western Washington District Court Jamal Whitehead temporarily blocks President Donald Trump's executive order to suspend the Refugee Admissions Program, ruling that President Trump cannot nullify the law passed by Congress, following a lawsuit against the Trump administration by the International Refugee Assistance Project. (AP)

(Posted) RD: Vimala Rangachar

Article: Vimala Rangachar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian educationist. Rater.js says B-class, but, the article has shaped up at least to a Start or perhaps even a C-class biography. Ktin (talk) 00:20, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suppport Looks good enough. – robertsky (talk) 01:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 02:33, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Simon Lindley

Article: Simon Lindley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Franz Liszt Academy of Music
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Updated by PamD (talk · give credit) and Sfjohna (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Organist and Master of Music at Leeds Minster, with a load of other posts in choral conducting, academic teaching, music publishing and administration. The article was there but with few refs. The obit from the Minster is very engaged and personal, but also full of facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seems good enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:41, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's quality is fine enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:04, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk)

(Posted) RD: Ferenc Rados

Article: Ferenc Rados (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Franz Liszt Academy of Music
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential Hungarian piano teacher at the Franz Liszt Academy of Music of a generation of students. The article was a stub with a long lists of students. Only the students with articles remained, still many. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready. The article still needs some work done. Changing to Weak Support. The article is well sourced and its structure is barely adequate. If more information could be added, that would be great. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Sufficient in all relevant aspects. Grimes2 (talk) 11:05, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jennifer Johnston (novelist)

Article: Jennifer Johnston (novelist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.rte.ie/culture/2025/0226/1499010-jennifer-johnston/
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs references for list of works and awards. Will try to work on this. Natg 19 (talk) 18:14, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per nom on the works list - bio isn't much longer than a stub either. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:55, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The works list now has a lot of references, but isn't fully done yet. Natg 19 (talk) 07:46, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kazimierz Romaniuk

Article: Kazimierz Romaniuk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.vaticannews.va/pl/kosciol/news/2025-02/zmarl-biskup-senior-kazimierz-romaniuk.html
Credits:

Nominated by EUPBR (talk · give credit)
Updated by Michael Valentini (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

EUPBR (talk) 13:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak support I don't technically see anything wrong, but I'm a little concerned how much the article seemingly relies on the first source. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:58, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Entry available here in the Internet Archive. The publishing house is associated with Jagiellonian University (per [10]) and while I don't speak Polish it seems fine at a glance. Curbon7 (talk) 00:41, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is decent length and the sources used are reliable; it is of sufficient quality for RD. Flip^and Flopped ツ 23:47, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:17, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2025 Sudanese Air Force Antonov An-26 crash

No support for posting this. Schwede 66 18:38, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Sudanese Air Force Antonov An-26 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A Sudanese Air Force plane crashes near Wadi Seidna Air Base, Omdurman, killing at least 46 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 13:08, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, oppose on article quality Personisinsterest (talk) 13:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While we have generally avoided posting military craft disasters (such accidents being seen as part of the risk inherent in their jobs), the claim that this also carried several high-ranking officials of the Sudanese military forces brings that beyond just a military crash. But that all needs to be confirmed, along with article expansion. --Masem (t) 13:40, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for more details. We don't know who was aboard or which type of aircraft was involved (only that it was made by Antonov), let alone what might have caused the crash. 46 deaths is a lot even for a military crash, but the article needs more information to properly assess the significance. Modest Genius ^talk 15:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. The article is in better shape now and has more information. This seems borderline on notability, but is good enough to post. Modest Genius ^talk 11:45, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support, but oppose on quality Article needs more sources to make a quality article. INeedSupport ^:3 17:00, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - on quality in general, given the article's short length, and on notability overall, per Masem's reasoning. One high-ranking military official among the dead does not elevate this beyond the significance of other military accidents and incidents. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:53, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Damn thing crashed into a residential neighborhood, killing 29 and injuring 10. All people on board were fatalities. So it's not just a military crash, and it wasn't even directly tied to the conflict, it's a civilian disaster. The article needs work and needs expansion though. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support on notability, neutral on quality. Large amount of civilian casualties, article is short but has no glaring problems. –DMartin 19:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a few days, conditional support for more info. Article is slightly stubby for now but I can work with that. Support on notability. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 19:42, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I can't find the source that states it was an AN-26. Am I just blind? Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 19:45, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe here... can't state how reliable this is as a source though Montezuma69 (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support; but as I've been updating/contributing to the article, I have not come across a definitive, independent and reliable source to say it was an Antonov An-26, other than on some aviation-specific websites that I cannot vouch for quality. Montezuma69 (talk) 21:15, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You may be right. I have seen multiple articles calling it an Antonov, but not the specific An-26. Maybe change it for now? Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:17, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per dmartin969. Especially in light of us posting Med Jets Flight 056 it is somewhat settled precedent at ITN that crashing into a densely populated area and inflicting mass damage/casualties on the ground, enhances notability. This is especially true here - even if there weren't any high-profile military on board it is well-clear of our minimum threshold for blurb notability, IMHO. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:19, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As someone who was against posting that as well, just because ITN makes a mistake once in a while doesn't mean it needs to double down on said mistake. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:23, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Observation 2012 Talodi Antonov An-26 crash was posted. ArionStar (talk) 23:58, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Over a decade ago. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And with similar notability and casualties, this should be a pretty arguable precedent.廣九直通車 (talk) 04:28, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "People died" is not a claim to significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 18:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It having several high-ranking officers on board, as well as it crashing in a residential neighbourhood, definitely are claims to significance. Jala peño (c) 19:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ongoing covers this via the timeline entry. It doesn't seem big enough news to warrant more. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Vladimir Beșleagă

Article: Vladimir Beșleagă (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stiri.md ProTV Chișinău Ziarul de Gardă Adevărul
Credits:

Nominated by Chesspugnator (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Oppose as a virtual stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:54, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) End of Casamance conflict

No support for this. Schwede 66 21:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Casamance conflict (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  The government of Senegal and the Movement of Democratic Forces of Casamance reach an agreement to end the Casamance conflict. (Post)
News source(s): The Defense Post
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 00:12, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As the linked article says, this is a first step towards peace, it is not a firm commitment. Masem (t) 01:12, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The article indicates that there has been a ceasefire since 2014, with attacks being rare since then, and multiple previous attempts to find a permanent peace deal. This latest development gets only 3 sentences in the article, one of which says one of the dissident factions has refused to agree to it. So it seems to be one more unsuccessful attempt that hasn't satisfied all the rebels. There's little coverage in mainstream media either. Seems too incremental for ITN to declare it's the end of the conflict. Modest Genius ^talk 15:48, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Masem. I do think it is notable if there’s a firm end. Personisinsterest (talk) 21:47, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Ukraine signs the critical minerals deal

SNOW close. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 03:06, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Russo-Ukrainian War (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Ukraine agrees to the critical minerals deal which is a huge advancement in the Russo-Ukraine war. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/world/europe/ukraine-minerals-deal.html
Credits:

Nominated by 135.180.61.27 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A critical diplomatic improvement in the Russo-Ukraine war.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.180.61.27 (talk) 23:58, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait There is no deal yet. The NYT article just says that they have "agreed" to a deal, but nothing official has come out. Unclear if this is even significant enough or ITN-worthy, but for now, this should not be posted. Natg 19 (talk) 00:12, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The target article also probably should be Ukraine–United States relations. Natg 19 (talk) 00:14, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If anything , this should be covered under the ongoing, since this was claimed to be step Trump claimed would lead Russia to withdraw from the conflict. --Masem (t) 01:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of the outcome, this development isn't even noticeable. Hence oppose on this blurb. Rager7 (talk) 22:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above, not to mention the editorializing in the current proposed blurb. Estreyeria (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Blurb is editorial, and the Russo-Ukrainian War is covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above - covered by ongoing, and blurb is highly editorialized. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:52, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. There are lots of problems with this nomination. The blurb is biased not neutral; no deal has been signed yet, only hearsay reports that an agreement has been reached; we wouldn't post such a mineral deal if Trump hadn't been talking it up; the war is already in ongoing; there's no update whatsoever in that article, which doesn't even mention this deal; there should really be a stand-alone article with the detailed content of the agreement and discussion of the diplomacy around it; and this is not a major development in the war itself just haggling about how the US provides support. Any one of those would be enough to sink this nomination. Modest Genius ^talk 11:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose wrong target article, other problems per above. Scuba 12:07, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, nothing has been signed yet, the deal itself has no article of its own, and the blurb is editorial. Unless there's a ceasefire or Russia drops nukes in the capital, this war is covered under the Ongoing conflicts. 675930s (talk) 13:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose Huge in this context is an awfully informal word, wouldn't you think? I echo the concerns of editorializing shared above as well. Departure– (talk) 15:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Roberto Orci

Article: Roberto Orci (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Screenwriter and producer. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:55, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, well-cited 675930s (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: There are some entries in Filography section requiring citations. – robertsky (talk) 15:58, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am still unclear on what the policy is for citing filmographies, and have received conflicting information on this front. Certainly uncredited work requires a citation, but is a citation required every time for a work in which someone is credited onscreen? ITN participants seem to say yes, other discussions I've had with editors elsewhere are split, and one time I added citations to a living actor's filmography and was reverted on every one except the uncredited ones, with the editor claiming it was unnecessary if they appear in the credits/poster billing. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 18:47, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sunshineisles2 in general ITN operates on the basis that the article has to be at GA level even if they are not rated as one yet at least for ensuring that the facts are cited properly, that includes every entry in the filmography. Such articles may end up being GA articles in the end after all the work that had been done. – robertsky (talk) 17:58, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Robertsky: The filmography is completely cited now. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:46, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 02:10, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I reposted this as I was working from a diff as opposed to the live version... D'oh! Schwede 66 09:10, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2025 Chile blackout

Consensus to post will not develop. Schwede 66 21:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Chile blackout (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A major power outage takes place in Chile. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Diversifying the ITN template. ArionStar (talk) 23:32, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose barring it going on longer than a day, this was the result of human error and power is expected to be restored in a few hours. It's an interesting story and thus suitable for DYK, but not significant enough for ITNMasem (t) 23:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Good faith nom. I'm not 100% convinced that this is going to be an event of sufficient impact to justify an article much less a blurb at ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:51, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose It lasted 4 hours... --Spec tral Ion 01:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - No major impact besides a few-hour power outage, which happens relatively often (the monkey-touched-a-powerstation incident in Sri Lanka from earlier this year immediately comes to mind). — E_F⁵ 01:13, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above - seems to have had a generally limited impact. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:52, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. If I remember correctly, we have posted US cities blackouts before. This affected a whole country. The article is short but properly cited. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:54, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. It's not significant enough to post on ITN. IDB.S (talk) 08:22, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support This affected 14 of 16 regions of Chile, more than 90% of the total population. How come this is not significant enough? In some cities (including mine) it lasted for over eight hours. Definitely outstanding. Bedivere (talk) 02:48, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance as per Alexcalamaro and Bedivere. Over 90% of the population was affected; this is unusual and notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:21, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Abdullah Al Noman

Article: Abdullah Al Noman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): observer bd
Credits:

Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Fahads1982^talk/contrib 20:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems to be fully-cited and length is enough. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:53, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 11:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clint Hill (Secret Service Agent)

Article: Clint Hill (Secret Service) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Politico
Credits:

Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: US Secret Service agent who tried to shield JFK in Dallas. Died on 02/21 but just announced. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:13, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The "Assassination of President Kennedy" is missing some sources. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:34, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. BTW, I'm not sure what the previous oppose !vote means, but it is not very relevant.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:06, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ianmacm: the IP is referring to how the #Assasination of President Kennedy section of the article is largely uncited. — Knightoftheswords 16:28, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. That section needs some work on refs. I've tagged it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:54, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Lawlor

Article: John Lawlor (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Nominated by mike_gigs (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on February 13 but was just announced today. The article is in rough shape. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 22:55, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article is far too stubby and there is a surprisingly little amount of cited areas. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 13:40, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 24

Portal:Current events/2025 February 24

February 24, 2025 (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

War against the Islamic State
- Islamic State insurgency in Puntland
  - Puntland counter-terrorism operations
    - Puntland forces capture key locations, including Dararmadobe, Uraar and the Four Corners of Mountains in Gaatir Oodan, which have served as command and defense bases for the Islamic State militias. Troops uncover mass graves, including the bodies of senior Middle East ISIL members killed in UAE and US airstrikes. Vehicles and motorbikes rigged with explosives were found in the Cal Miskaad mountains of Puntland’s Bari Region. (Garowe Online) (Hiiraan Online)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - The Ryazan Refinery in Ryazan, Russia, suspends operations after an overnight drone attack by Ukraine destroys the main crude distillation unit at the facility. Locals report hearing at least five explosions during the attack. (Reuters)
Syrian civil war
- Sectarianism and minorities in the Syrian civil war
  - Druze militia leaders announce the formation of the Suwayda Military Council as a coalition of southern Syrian forces for promoting regional secularism and democracy. The council accuses the Syrian transitional government of committing ethnic cleansing operations and extrajudicial killings, and vows to prevent Syrian Armed Forces from entering Druze settlements. (El Manshar) (El Manshar 2)
2020s European re-armament
- German chancellor-in-waiting Friedrich Merz declares the rapid re-militarization of Germany and Europe as a whole to be an immediate priority, in order to provide military support for Ukraine against Russia, as well as to pursue European military independence from the United States and possibly NATO. (BBC News)
Terrorism in France
- Three molotov cocktails are thrown at the Russian consulate in Marseille, France. No perpetrators are apprehended, but police suspect terrorism. (France24)

Business and economy

American coffeehouse chain Starbucks announces that it is cutting 1,100 jobs across its stores in the United States as part of cost reduction measures. The company also announces that its menu will be "simplified" and shrunk by 33%. (BBC News)

Health and environment

Health in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
- Over 50 people die after an unknown virus outbreak in northwestern Democratic Republic of the Congo. (CTV News)
Measles resurgence in the United States
- The Department of State Health Services in Texas, United States, places several major cities in the state on high alert due to a measles outbreak that spreads to 99 people in Texas and New Mexico, the third-largest outbreak since it was considered eliminated in the U.S. in 2000. (Texas Public Radio) (The Independent)

International relations

Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
- The United Nations General Assembly votes 93–18, with 65 abstentions, to pass a resolution condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine. The 18 countries that voted against include the United States, Russia, Israel, Belarus, and North Korea. (CNN) (NPR)

Law and crime

The Australian eSafety Commission fines instant messaging service Telegram A$1 million (US$640,000) for delaying its response to inquiries on preventing child exploitation and extremist content. (Reuters)

Science and technology

NASA formally announces that asteroid 2024 YR4 now poses "no significant threat" to Earth in 2032 and beyond as the chances of an impact drop to 1-in-59,000 (0.0017%). This means a planetary defense mission to intercept and deflect the object in 2028 during a close flyby of Earth is no longer necessary. (NASA) (Ars Technica)

RD: Rose Girone

Article: Rose Girone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oldest living Holocaust survivor. Article could do with some expansion. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:00, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready. Still a stubby article. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:49, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ricardo Kanji

Article: Ricardo Kanji (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Concerto
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian recorder player, conductor and academic teacher, first for decades in the Netherlands where historically informed performance began, and then for more decades spreading it in Brazil. The article was basically there but refs were missing or no longer working. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I added one CN tag, but the vast majority of the article is up to speed quality-wise. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:56, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I fixed it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 11:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Al Trautwig

Article: Al Trautwig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, Newsday
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American sports TV and radio broadcaster. Article needs some work. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Quite a few uncited statements throughout the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 22:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Frank G. Wisner

Article: Frank G. Wisner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a bit of work. Natg 19 (talk) 18:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Not huge but no issues ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 22:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This comment was meant for Slater's RD nom below ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:18, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Only one "vague" tag in the article, but otherwise looks good. NewishIdeas (talk) 00:59, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Life and career section could use more sources, there are two paragraphs uncited and two sentences that also should have one. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:39, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Keith Slater

Article: Keith Slater (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Looks fine. Natg 19 (talk) 18:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good enough. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:35, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Not huge but no issues ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:18, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 11:11, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kevin Braswell

Article: Kevin Braswell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
Updated by DaHuzyBru (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Surprisingly well-cited. Natg 19 (talk) 17:56, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Wow, yeah that’s a lot of sources for an article of that size ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 22:51, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 16:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: added references for DOB. Natg 19 (talk) 17:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted – Schwede 66 20:37, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted as RD) RD: Roberta Flack

Article: Roberta Flack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American singer Roberta Flack dies at the age of 88. (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit), Martinevans123 (talk · give credit), Jaguarnik (talk · give credit) and Proscribe (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/wait For a couple years in the early 1970s, any song she touched turned to gold. And three went to #1 in US, "Killing Me Softly With His Song", "Feel Like Makin' Love", and "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face". Its also worth noting she produced several of her songs, very unusual for the time.
However, article still needs some work, since its just been announced. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready yet, but looks promising. There are only six citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 17:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Marked as read. Thanks to everyone who worked on this! Flibirigit (talk) 09:28, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  How much more ready does it have to be? Or is there insufficient space? Perhaps those with shorter names stand a better chance. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Only one citation needed tag left for American Music Awards (but none of the linked articles have supporting sources). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support if... we can find a better AMAs citation. I have added 2 citations (a video and a secondary source) for the one AMA win, but can't find anything re: AMA nominations.

~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:41, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could just mention her win and comment out the nominations/ take to Talk page? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do the AMA year articles have sources? Kingsif (talk) 00:47, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine that it’s probably good enough/we can move the nominations out for now—you can count me a support ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 03:05, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support and Further update: I took the nominations off the page and added text concerning the AMA win at the top of the Accolades section. The only source used for the AMA year pages seems to be a bare link, which is now dead. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 03:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Let's get this on the main page.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:31, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarifying Support RD only. Although 3 #1s and back-to-back Grammy ROY is high acclaim. I think it is a bit short of blurb-level importance. She is some notches below Diana Ross, Taylor Swift or Katy Perry in terms of blurb eligibiility.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:01, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Added blurb. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:14, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb as the article clearly fails to demonstrate any extraordinary significance and impact. Otherwise good to go for RD.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:03, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Quality is sufficient. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, not a transformative figure. Support RD, the quality seems fine to me. Modest Genius ^talk 21:02, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: looks ready for posting. Natg 19 (talk) 21:48, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Motown Encyclopedia (currently source 4) says that she was born in 1939, and that some sources erroneously state that she was born in 1937. There is a discussion about it on the talk page, too. I see no discussion about this potential uncertainty in the article. I note that the New York Times said that she was 88, which makes the year of birth 1937. Are we comfortable to leave things as they are, or should this uncertainty be added to the article? Schwede 66 04:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Both The New York Times and Motown Encyclopedia are seen as a WP:RS? But it might be useful to have a footnote, based on the Motown Encyclopedia content, that mentions some sources claiming 1937? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This issue seems like something to discuss on the article talk page, not an impediment to posting in RD. The ITN box doesn't mention the age or date of birth of RDs. Modest Genius ^talk 12:00, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, quite agree. Has been raised there (in 2014). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:06, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: It seems to be footnoted now, which should be sufficient for ITN. —Bagumba (talk) 19:00, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Sufficient breadth and sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 19:01, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted as RD – Schwede 66 20:31, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 23

Portal:Current events/2025 February 23

February 23, 2025 (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israeli–Palestinian conflict
- Israeli occupation of the West Bank
  - 2025 Israeli operation in the West Bank
    - The Israel Defense Forces deploy tanks into the West Bank for the first time since 2002, declaring that the 40,000 Palestinians who fled refugee camps in the region cannot return. (AP) (PBS)
War against the Islamic State
- Islamic State insurgency in Puntland
  - Puntland counter-terrorism operations
    - At least three IS–Somalia fighters are killed in a joint Puntland armed forces–U.S. Africa Command airstrike targeting IS militants hiding in the Cal Miskaad mountains of the Bari Region of Puntland, Somalia. (Horseed Media) (Hiiraan Online)
Australian frontier wars
- The University of Newcastle publishes the final findings of its eight-year long attempt to record and map all major massacres of Indigenous Australians during the colonisation of Australia, finding that at least 10,000 were killed. (The Guardian)
Israeli invasion of Lebanon
- Israel launches airstrikes in the Baalbek area in northeastern Lebanon and other areas in the south of the country. (Times of Israel)
Sudanese civil war
- The Sudanese Army recaptures El Geteina, White Nile State, Sudan, after heavy fighting with the Rapid Support Forces. (Sudan Tribune)
Two toddlers are killed when a buried land mine from a rocket-propelled grenade that was left from the Cambodian Civil War explodes in Svay Leu District, Siem Reap province, Cambodia. (Shanghai Daily)

Arts and culture

31st Screen Actors Guild Awards
- At the annual Screen Actors Guild Awards, Timothée Chalamet wins Outstanding Leading Male Performance for his role as Bob Dylan in A Complete Unknown, while Demi Moore wins Outstanding Leading Female Performance for her role in The Substance. Political thriller film Conclave wins Outstanding Ensemble Performance in a Motion Picture. (NPR)

Health and environment

Humanitarian impact of the Sudanese civil war
- Sudanese officials report that 58 people have been killed and 1,293 people have been affected by a cholera outbreak in Kosti, White Nile State. (AP)

International relations

Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukraine–NATO relations
- Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that he is "ready" to resign from the presidency in exchange for NATO accession as part of a potential peace agreement. (CNN) (AP)

Law and crime

American Airlines Flight 292, flying from New York, United States, to New Delhi, India, is forced to divert to Rome Fiumicino Airport in Rome, Italy, due to an unspecified security concern later deemed to be non-credible. The flight was over the Caspian Sea near Turkmenistan when it diverted back towards Europe. (AP)

Politics and elections

2025 German federal election
- Germans vote to elect the Bundestag. The opposition CDU/CSU wins a plurality, with 28.5% of the vote and 208 seats. The governing Social Democratic Party finishes in third place with 16.4% and 120 seats, while the far-right Alternative for Germany finishes in second place with 20.8% and 152 seats. (CNN) (DW)
Funeral of Hassan Nasrallah and Hashem Safieddine
- The joint funeral for Hezbollah leaders Hassan Nasrallah and Hashem Safieddine is held at the Camille Chamoun Sports City Stadium in Beirut, Lebanon. (AP)
Protests against the Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Protests are held across Europe and Canada to mark the 3rd year anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (Kyiv Independent)
The Vatican announces that Pope Francis remains in critical condition, with a new diagnosis of mild kidney failure, along with pre-existing conditions pneumonia and other unidentified respiratory diseases. (AP)

Sports

In cricket under the ODI format, Indian cricketer Virat Kohli becomes the first player to reach the 51 centuries and the fastest player to reach 14,000 runs. (Times of India) (AP)

(Posted) RD: Larry Dolan

Article: Larry Dolan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [15]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
Updated by KrakatoaKatie (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Some chunks of the article need sourcing. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:40, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support All sourced, looks good to go. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:47, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:56, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) German federal election

Article: 2025 German federal election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In the German federal election, the CDU/CSU (Union), led by Friedrich Merz (pictured), wins the most seats in the Bundestag. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  In the German federal election, the CDU/CSU (Union) wins the most seats in the Bundestag.
Alternative blurb II:  In the German federal election, the CDU/CSU (Union) wins the most seats in the Bundestag, while the far-right AfD comes in second.
Alternative blurb III:  In the German federal election, the CDU/CSU (Union), led by Friedrich Merz (pictured), wins the most seats in the Bundestag, while the far-right AfD comes in second.
News source(s): Tagesschau, Al jazeera, DW, CNN, Ruters, the Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Federal election in Germany, with ARD/Infratest-dimap and ZDF exit polls project CDU/CSU wins most seats; I also include Merz in the original blurb, as unlike Scholz, Merz is also leader of the CDU. I also added a concise altblurb. Update: vote counting started. Haers6120 (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial opinion: I think we should mention the AfD getting the second most seats.

Yes we dont normally post runner ups, but a fascist party getting the second most seats not just in any European country but in Germany, in 2025, I think is a strong enough reason to get them into the blurb. Udder1882 (talk) 17:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done, Alt II added, we will let community decides. Haers6120 (talk) 17:39, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not a consensus that AfD is Fascist. If we are to put it up it's because the AfD is the first new party in Germany to become Opposition since the Greens in the 90s, making this one of the most significant moments in modern German history 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:CC1F:63C9:8B16:FA1F (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not a precedent to mention this per se (the communists losing a provincial government in west bengal was posted), but runner ups are never mentioned.Sportsnut24 (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose any mention of AfD, unless they join a coalition. If ITN's usual response to gay marriage in Europe stories is "all the rest of them did it years ago", then this is even less unusual. Depending on your personal definitions, parties in the same boat as AfD govern Italy, hold ministries in Finland, always come runner-up in France, won the most seats in Austria... What I like about ITN is the directness without the editorialising and fearmongering that newspapers have to do to survive. AfD is incredibly unlikely to form a coalition with the CDU, and even more unlikely to ever break the German political system that is built for plurality. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:41, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AfD were opposition in the 2017-2021 Bundestag This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for actual results, for obvious reasons. Weak oppose altblurb 2 because the only notable part of that for me is how it will affect the political firewall, which will only be certain once coalition talks are underway. Yo.dazo (talk) 17:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's been called now. Will also reiterate that I still think we should only include AfD in the blurb if they end up breaking the firewall. Yo.dazo (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until we get the actual results. It's known that people are often shy about telling pollsters they voted for the far right. Secretlondon (talk) 18:05, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - just watching live - not a single vote reported yet. Just polling. This should have been nominated. Nfitz (talk) 19:04, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait It takes no more than one or two days for the final result of a federal election in Germany to be announced. support blurb3 (mention friedrich merz and of AfD as runner-up, as it has become a People's Party). --Augustgeborener (talk) 21:56, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for final results and support mention of AfD as runner-up. --Alison (Crazytales) (talk; edits) 00:00, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for final results and support once all tags fixed Shadow4dark (talk) 00:20, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for final results and then support altblurb2 once they are in. The German far right's surge in suport has been a focal point within much of the global coverage of this election and is of monumental significance for the political future of Europe. Most of the headlines in reliable sources are including the AfD's second place-finish for precisely this reason; I think it is fair for ITN to mirror how the RS is reporting it. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support original blurb, as per Liechtenstein and Kosovo was posted. ArionStar (talk) 00:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait pending final results and support mentioning newsworthy AFD showing. The Savage Norwegian 01:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb1 result is clear This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support altblurb2 The AfD's rise in support is a notable aspect of this election, and has been covered by news discussing the election. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:09, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for a coalition to form and then report on the election of a new chancellor. 675930s (talk) 03:36, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The final provisional result has now been announced. Gust Justice (talk) 04:06, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support original blurb per precedence and above arguments. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:29, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 04:44, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Shouldn’t it be mentioned that they still fell short of a majority. I’m not super familiar with the German system but I imagine it would be relevant. –DMartin 05:56, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
there has never been a single party in germany gaining 50 % of the votes - Union got once, in the 1957 elections, 50 % of the vote though. Augustgeborener (talk) 06:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I assume the poster meant the majority of the seats. Not a majority of the votes. The former is very significant, the latter not so much. Though how often the former happens I don't know ... doesn't seem common. Nfitz (talk) 17:49, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Change per dmartin969. I would prefer it say they won "a plurality of seats" instead of "the most seats" as that makes clear enough (in my opinion) that they did not win a majority. Since they operate on a parliamentary system, it's not just who wins the most seats leads government - they have to form a coalition with other parties. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 06:00, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. 'Plurality' is a jargon term that is incredibly rare outside American English. 'Most seats' is better for WP:COMMONALITY. Modest Genius ^talk 12:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Secretlondon (talk) 13:18, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we want to write a simpler American English Wikipedia, perhaps we should use simple:Main Page. I don't see why regional English variants should be a concern. Nfitz (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Plurality is still used in British English, it’s just a bit like academic jargon that people living in non-proportional electoral systems won’t be familiar with. If need be we can link to Plurality (voting) Kowal2701 (talk) 20:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would think a link is fine. The problem with "most seats" is that it is ambiguous as to whether it refers to them winning the most seats out of all the parties involved, versus them having won most of the seats (i.e. a majority) themselves. Heck, even our article on the election itself uses the term plurality in the lead. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 22:44, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change to plurality per above. I agree that the current blurb is somewhat misleading, as it implies that the CDU/SDU 'won the election', when in fact, they arguably underperformed expectations and achieved only a narrow plurality relative to the far-right and far-left, who both made historic increases in their seat share. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Plurality is both simpler and more descriptive. Nfitz (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: looks like there is a consensus for "plurality". Natg 19 (talk) 22:38, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - A quick search of our archives shows we have used the term plurality about four dozen times in ITN’s history when it comes to election blurbs, so I don’t think it should be an issue to continue to use it. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 22:44, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Nasrallah funeral

Consensus against posting. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 03:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Funeral of Hassan Nasrallah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Thousands attend the funeral of Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut, Lebanon. (Post)
News source(s): AJ
Credits:

Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
Created by BasselHarfouch (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Certainly is the news today and pretty big an event. Sportsnut24 (talk) 16:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose We posted his assassination, so I don't think we need to post his funeral, even given that it was purposely delayed. Its not like we posted the additional events in the wake of the deaths of QE II or Thatcher, for example, though we had "death of..." articles there. --Masem (t) 16:14, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I’m not too sure that the funeral, even though it’s large, passes notability. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:48, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article quality is quite poor, and the event itself is not necessarily a marker of notability. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 17:32, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. This was only notable because Hassan Nasrallah was assassinated, and that already got into ITN. Unless something else happened/started during the funeral, this is not a notable event in and of itself. Yo.dazo (talk) 17:51, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support article needs some serious work, but judging by how it's getting coverage from the NYT, AP, CNN, and BBC I think it passes notability requirements. Scuba 19:06, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is effectively similar to a state funeral that many world leaders get when they die; since we usually blurb those, the funeral itself is not generally considered an ITN item. We already posted the death, and the funeral was just delayed. Masem (t) 19:10, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as how Israel used it to flex bombing Beruit again I think this is different. It's not common for a state funeral to have another country fly warplanes over the crowd of mourners threatening to bomb them. Scuba 19:14, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This begs the question: if the Israeli attack is the whole reason why it's so important, why is the nom for the funeral and not the attack? Yo.dazo (talk) 03:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose This is a little unusual, since typically when a world leader dies we blurb the death and then the funeral occurs in due course (within days to weeks of the death). In that "typical situation", even if the funeral was notable or broke records, there would be no debate that we ought not put back to back blurbs about the same figure, potentially even both appearing on the main page at the same time. Although that's not the case here, something feels off about blurbing people like Jimmy Carter or Queen Elizabeth only once and then giving two blurbs to Nasrallah. There's an implication he is somehow more notable. Flip^and Flopped ツ
Oppose since we posted the death This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose His death is notable, the funeral... not so much. Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:01, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 22

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February 22, 2025 (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Gaza war
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire, Gaza war hostage crisis
  - Hamas releases six living hostages, including pre-war hostages Avera Mengistu and Hisham al-Sayed, both captive for more than nine years. (Times of Israel)
  - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu orders the delay of the release of 620 Palestinian prisoners indefinitely, citing the "humiliating" procedure of the hostages' release. (AP) (NBC News)
Islamic terrorism in Europe
- 2025 Mulhouse stabbing attack
  - A 69-year-old Portuguese Lino Sousa Loureiro is killed and seven other people are injured in a mass stabbing attack by a 37-year-old Algerian man at a market in Mulhouse, France. The stabbing is being treated as a suspected Islamic terrorist attack. (AP) (CNN)
Kivu conflict
- 2025 Bukavu offensive
  - Hundreds of Congolese police officers join the M23 movement in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, as the rebel group consolidates its control of the city. Around 1,800 police officers have surrendered their weapons to the new authorities, according to the Congo River Alliance. (Reuters)
Yemeni civil war
- Operation Prosperity Guardian
  - Houthi forces launch surface-to-air missiles at a U.S. fighter jet and MQ-9 Reaper drone over the Red Sea for the first time with both missiles missing their target. (Reuters)
Mali War
- The Tuareg independence movement accuses Malian soldiers and Wagner Group mercenaries of killing 24 civilians, which constitutes a war crime. (Al Jazeera)

Arts and culture

75th Berlin International Film Festival
- Norwegian drama film Dreams (Sex Love) wins the Golden Bear award at the 2025 Berlin International Film Festival, while Tilda Swinton is awarded the Honorary Golden Bear for her range and legacy. (DW) (Berlinale)

Disasters and accidents

Real Plaza Trujillo roof collapse
- The death toll following the structural collapse of a metal roof of the Real Plaza Trujillo in Trujillo, Peru, rises to eight. The La Libertad government announces a period of mourning from February 22–23. (La Republica)
A bus carrying passengers to a wedding ceremony overturns in Ranhghati, Rajasthan, India, killing two people and injuring 30 others. (The Times of India)
A bus crashed into a petrol tanker in Niger State, killing 14 and injuring six.^[1]
An SUV crashed into a truck near Dhanbad while traveling to the 2025 Prayag Maha Kumbh Mela, killing six and injuring two.^[2]

International relations

China–Cook Islands relations
- The Cook Islands signs a five-year memorandum of understanding to collaborate with China in seabed mining, which includes technology transfer, logistics support, and deep-sea ecosystem research. (DW) (The Guardian)

Law and crime

UPMC Memorial Hospital shooting
- Two people, including a police officer, are killed and seven other people are injured in a mass shooting at the UPMC Memorial Hospital in West Manchester Township, York County, Pennsylvania, United States. (York Daily Record) (Fox News)
One person is killed and another is injured in a shooting at the Kirtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque, New Mexico, United States. The FBI is investigating the shooting but it is believed the incident was not an act of terrorism. (ABC News)
Mohamed Amra, a French criminal and suspected drug lord known as "The Fly", is recaptured in Romania, nine months after escaping during an ambush that killed two French prison officers. (Sky News)

Politics and elections

The Vatican City issues a statement informing of the worsening health of Pope Francis after more than a week in hospital due to respiratory problems. Vatican officials say Pope Francis is now in critical condition and that the prognosis "remains guarded". (Reuters)

(Posted) RD: Bruce M. Selya

Article: Bruce M. Selya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe; Providence Journal
Credits:

Nominated by Extraordinary Writ (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sesquipedalian nonagenarian. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 11:05, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - well cited ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:48, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 23:13, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Berlin International Film Festival

Article: 75th Berlin International Film Festival (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  At the Berlin International Film Festival, Dreams (Sex Love) (director Dag Johan Haugerud pictured) wins the Golden Bear. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Dreams (Sex Love) (director Dag Johan Haugerud pictured) wins the Golden Bear at the Berlin International Film Festival.
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

ArionStar (talk) 00:17, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Added altblurb, like this format. Moraljaya67 (talk) 02:09, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's very little prose, the article is basically entirely lists and tables. Maybe at least a background section? Or something about the ceremony itself? 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:27, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Slight preference for alt blurb at the moment on quality (as said above, 75th Berlin International Film Festival consists mostly of lists and tables, which isn't acceptable under WP:ITNQUALITY; alt blurb still links the article but at least it isn't the emboldened one), but in principle I'm neutral on blurb choice, as we've used the format of the original blurb in the past as well. Liu1126 (talk) 12:31, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

per ITNR standards, the awards event needs to be the target as we are summarizi g that event by acknowledging the top award(s) given out. Switching to the film is not helpful, though it can always be a second feature article in the blurb. Masem (t) 19:57, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. The awards article is merely tables and bulleted lists, no prose whatsoever. The film article isn't much better, and couldn't be the bold link anyway. Modest Genius ^talk 16:25, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Attack on EU mission in Sofia

Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) DarkSide830 (talk) 17:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Bulgaria and the euro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Thousands of Revival supporters attempt to storm a European Union mission in Sofia, Bulgaria in opposition to the planned adoption of the euro. (Post)
News source(s): RFE/RL, Reuters, Politico, Deutsche Welle, Euronews
Credits:

Nominated by Chetsford (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Chetsford (talk) 01:57, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If someone is interested in adding a paragraph about this and the events leading up to it to Bulgaria and the euro, that would be the ideal place to cover the storming in my opinion and could then be the bolded link. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 05:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment shouldn’t the target article be Bulgaria and the Euro? Not the Revival page? Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:40, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changed target article per Ion.want.uu's suggestion. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 17:33, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose target article should be about the attack, not the overall adoption process. Seeing as how the attack has no page, it shouldn't be ITN. If things change and an article is made I'll change my vote. Scuba 18:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Also, I just checked, but the attack isn't even mentioned in the target article. Scuba 18:59, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per above, Fakescientist8000 changed the target article to one that doesn't mention the attack. Chetsford (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have this backwards. The storming is part of the history of the euro adoption, and that's where it should be covered. The only reason to split off individual parts of a subject's history is if there are WP:SIZE concerns in the main article, which there are not. People sometimes do these splits prematurely just so they can take credit for an ITN, which is a little disruptive. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 22:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality The new target article isn't updated. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:38, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (and withdraw) as nom. The new target article doesn't mention the event so there doesn't seem much point to continue the discussion. Chetsford (talk) 21:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Seems to be a fairly minor protest, which did not gain entry to the building. The Reuters piece describes this as 'scuffles with police' leading to 10 'minor injuries' and 'about 6' arrests. If/when Bulgaria actually adopts the euro, we should post that. This protest isn't sufficient. Modest Genius ^talk 16:28, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close Nominator has withdrawn. I also oppose this on notability if it ends up staying open. --Spec tral Ion 20:51, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 21

Portal:Current events/2025 February 21

February 21, 2025 (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Gaza war
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire, Gaza war hostage crisis
  - Israel says that forensic testing revealed one of the bodies returned by Hamas yesterday does not match with Shiri Bibas nor with any other hostages. Her sons Ariel and Kfir, as well as Oded Lifshitz, were all positively identified. Israel accuses Hamas of violating the ceasefire and demands the return of her body along with the other remaining hostages. (BBC News)
  - Hamas claims that Shiri's body was "mistakenly mixed" with others who were killed and buried under the rubble in Gaza, and returns an additional body the group says is hers. The identity is soon afterwards positively confirmed by Israel. (Al Arabiya) (BBC News)

Business and economy

2025 United States federal mass layoffs
- The United States Department of Defense announces it will jointly lay off 4,500 probationary workers, cutting 5-8% of the civilian workforce. The United States Forest Service also announces it will lay off 2,000 employees. (AP)
The Financial Action Task Force removes the Philippines from its grey list and adds Laos and Nepal to the list. (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

Real Plaza Trujillo collapse
- At least 6 people are killed and 79 others are injured after a roof collapses at the Real Plaza Trujillo shopping mall in Trujillo, Peru. (Metro)

Twelve people are killed and twenty-one others were injured in a bus crash in São Paulo, Brazil. (TRT World)

Health and environment

South Sudan orders the closure of all schools in the country for two weeks due to a heat wave, with temperatures expected to reach 42 °C (108 °F). (DW)
A norovirus outbreak with a large number of ill passengers is reported on the MS Iona cruise ship in Belgium. (Metro)

International relations

2025 Gaza war ceasefire
- Egypt, Jordan, and the countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council meet in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, to address possible future developments in the Gaza Strip. (The Times of Israel)
Kyrgyzstan–Tajikistan relations
- Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan sign an agreement to delimitate their border, solving a decades-old border dispute that had sparked clashes between different ethnic groups that had killed over a hundred people. (Trend News Agency) (Reuters)

Law and crime

2024 South Korean martial law crisis
- Arrest of Yoon Suk Yeol
  - South Korean police file a case against impeached president Yoon Suk Yeol for obstructing his arrest warrant. (Reuters)
Berlin Holocaust memorial stabbing
- A 30-year-old Spanish tourist is seriously injured in a stabbing attack at the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin, Germany. A 19-year-old Syrian man is arrested. (AP) (DW)
Flint water crisis
- Veolia Water agrees to pay $53 million in settlement for all remaining active class action lawsuits for the contamination of drinking water in Flint, Michigan, United States, but refuses to acknowledge any fault in the crisis. (AP) (WNEM)
Stabbing of Salman Rushdie
- Hadi Matar is found guilty by a U.S. jury of attempted murder and assault for his stabbing attack on author Salman Rushdie in 2022. (ABC News)
Three people are killed in a shooting outside of a motor vehicle office in Louisville, Kentucky, United States. (The Independent)
Three people, including two police officers, are killed during a traffic stop in Virginia Beach, Virginia, United States. (The New York Times)
The Supreme Federal Court of Brazil orders the suspension of online video platform Rumble for refusing to comply to court orders and for refusing to remove the account of Brazilian fugitive Allan dos Santos. (AP)

Politics and elections

Second presidency of Donald Trump
- U.S. President Donald Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth announces the removal of multiple senior U.S. officers from their current roles, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Charles Q. Brown Jr. and the Chief of Naval Operations Lisa Franchetti. (CNN)
- American news agency The Associated Press files a lawsuit for freedom of speech against three Trump administration officials after they banned the news agency from attending presidential press events after the agency refused to refer to the Gulf of Mexico as the "Gulf of America". (AP) (NPR)
Indonesia Gelap
- Demonstrations continue against the government in several cities in Indonesia. Nine students have been arrested and two are injured, along with four injured policemen and two parliament members. (Tempo) (Barron's)

Science and technology

The European Space Agency announces that the chances of asteroid 2024 YR4 impacting Earth in 2032 has decreased to 1.5% (1-in-67), and is likely to decrease further to less than 1%. (Nature)

(Closed) Real Plaza Trujillo roof collapse

No consensus to post this. Schwede 66 21:16, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Real Plaza Trujillo roof collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The food court's roof of the Real Plaza Trujillo shopping center collapses (aftermath pictured) , leaving at least eight people dead and 84 injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Peru, the roof of the Real Plaza Trujillo shopping center collapses (aftermath pictured), leaving at least eight people dead and 84 injured.
News source(s): Metro
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Article updated

ArionStar (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on notabilty it is not necessary to nominate every tragedy that occurs and has an article in Wikipedia, especially when it has become clear more than once recently that the number of deaths is a determining factor in assessing the ITN-worthiness of your nominations. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:55, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Alsor. Deaths do not inherently = ITN, and with all due respect I’m becoming a bit tired of your “throw everything at the wall and see what gets posted” nom strategy. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also object to the Novi Sad comparisons - that collapse, while not far off casualty-wise, led to massive protests and played a major role in bringing down the Vucevic ministry. This doesn't seem to have resulted in the same effect, with the only major impact being criminal charges against Carlos Rodriguez-Pastor. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:59, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per others. Roof collapse at a mall (though deadly) is local news. I am unsure if the article itself is notable for Wikipedia. Natg 19 (talk) 03:11, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Eight people dead (as of now). A national period of mourning being announced, clearly not a regular disaster news. Gotitbro (talk) 04:20, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. People dying is not what makes something notable or significant. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 05:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems quite similar to the recent Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse which we posted. There were political consequences for that and this case also seems similar because of the history of political disputes about the structure which the article explains. This history is the sort of coverage over time which we use as a test for accidents per WP:PERSISTENCE. These details make the article reasonably substantial and so readers will not be disappointed. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of political consequences, the article doesn't mention any so far, also WP:CRYSTALBALL. Yo.dazo (talk) 12:33, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some politics came first in this case. And there are consequences now. For example, per Philenews
"Carlos Rodriguez-Pastor, the president of Intercorp and Peru’s wealthiest individual, has been charged with involuntary manslaughter in connection with the incident."

Andrew🐉(talk) 19:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Had to consider this for a good while as well, but this really isn't notable either in terms of casualties or political impact. Yo.dazo (talk) 12:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Comparable to the type of significance that we're saw for something like the Grenfell Tower fire in London, in that they're looking at the fault of the design and considering criminal charges for this. This isn't like an accidental house fire. --Masem (t) 02:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No strong opinion about whether this should be posted, but if it is it needs a better blurb. I've added an altblurb that I think is better (more grammatical, gives geographical context) but not necessarily the best. The article states the collapse was "mainly the food court and children's play area" not the roof of the food court specifically which is why I left that bit out, but no objection to adding it back if others prefer. Thryduulf (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Masem and Andrew Davidson. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:53, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Is the same case of the Novi Sad railway station canopy collapse which we posted. Eight people died and dozens were injured. If it had been in a shopping mall in a first-world country like Canada or the United States, I'm sure many fewer people would have objected. Chronus (talk) 21:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Who are you are accusing here, between Alsor, The Kip, Natg, myself, and Yo.dazo? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 19:00, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per TBUA. E_F⁵ 16:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above, there have unfortunately been many disasters on ITN recently and we don't need to post these lower-death ones. Novi Sad killed 15, far more than this collapse, and caused political upheaval, with protests still ongoing in Serbia. This comparatively does not have significant impact. --Spec tral Ion 18:31, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Lynne Marie Stewart

Article: Lynne Marie Stewart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Nominated by Vanilla Wizard (talk · give credit)
Updated by Hey man im josh (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actress known for her roles in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and The Pee-wee Herman Show. ~~Article will need some work before this can be posted (Career section needs more sources).~~ Article updated thanks to Hey man im josh Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:34, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as I've orange-tagged the article for a general lack of citations. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:13, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to support now that the article is cited. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:28, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that I'm working on the article now. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:32, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The Kip: I've sourced all the statements now. @Vanilla Wizard: I boldly added myself as an updater. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:24, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your work on this! I would have updated it after nominating it but found myself surprisingly busy last weekend, so I really appreciate that someone else took the time to get it ready for posting. Looks good to me. Vanilla Wizard 💙 14:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be a bother, but just wanted to follow up to see if you still oppose this nomination @The Kip. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:35, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article looks alright now. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:43, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted charlotte ^👸♥ 21:06, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 20

Portal:Current events/2025 February 20

February 20, 2025 (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Uvira offensive
    - At least 22 people are killed when a boat carrying people attempting to escape Rwanda-backed M23 rebels in the Democratic Republic of the Congo across Lake Edward towards Uganda capsizes. Eight survivors are found by the local civil society. (AP)
  - The Congolese Army abandons their positions in Lubero, North Kivu, with reports that the deserting soldiers have looted a market and shops in town. The military has ordered the deserters to return to their posts within 12 hours or face criminal action. (Reuters)
War against the Islamic State
- Islamic State insurgency in Puntland
  - Puntland counter-terrorism operations
    - Puntland security forces, with air support from the United Arab Emirates, launch a major offensive in the Cal Miskaad mountains, allegedly killing at least 44 IS–Somalia militants and seizing control of the areas of Dhasaq, Qurac, and Damdamle, in Bari Region, Puntland, Somalia. (Garowe Online) (Hiiraan Online)
Colombian conflict
- 2025 Catatumbo clashes
  - Four bombings and shooting attacks take place across different police facilities and toll areas in Cúcuta, Norte de Santander Department, Colombia, leaving one police officer injured. Authorities in Norte de Santander and Cúcuta declare a curfew across the city for the following day. (CNN Colombia)
Gaza war
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire, Gaza war hostage crisis
  - Hamas releases the bodies of Shiri Bibas, Ariel Bibas, Kfir Bibas, and Oded Lifshitz, who were all kidnapped from their homes in Nir Oz kibbutz, Israel, on October 7, 2023. (The Times of Israel)
Somali Civil War
- 2025 Shabelle attacks
  - Al-Shabaab launches a coordinated attack on four Somali military bases in Middle Shabelle, Somalia, killing and wounding dozens of soldiers. Somali authorities say they repelled the attack, killing at least 130 militant fighters. (Mepa News) (Garowe Online)
2025 Bat Yam bus bombings
- Three empty buses explode in what is suspected as an attempted terrorist attack in Bat Yam, Israel. Devices planted on two other buses failed to detonate, according to police. No casualties are reported. (BBC News)

Business and economy

2025 United States federal mass layoffs
- The United States Internal Revenue Service announces it will layoff over 6,000 jobs this week as part of department downsizing led by Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency. (NPR)

Disasters and accidents

ATL Technologies CEO Bradford Brown is killed and one person is injured when a Bell 505 Jet Ranger X helicopter crashes into ice at the Ririe Reservoir near Ririe, Idaho. United States. (ABC News) (AP News)
Seven people are injured in a gas explosion at The Whaler resort in Kaanapali, Hawaii, United States. (AP News)

International relations

French military withdrawal from West Africa
- The French military hands over control of their last military base in Ivory Coast to the country's military. French armed forces minister Sébastien Lecornu says that 80 French servicemembers will remain in the country to advise and train the Ivorian army. (AP)

Law and crime

Two women are killed in a stabbing attack at a shopping center in Hradec Králové, Czech Republic. A 16-year-old boy is arrested. (AP)

Politics and elections

2024 Indonesian local elections
- Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto inaugurates 961 regional heads, including governors, regents, and mayors, at the State Palace. (Tempo)

Science and technology

The identity of Cleo is revealed to be Vladimir Reshetnikov, an Uzbek software developer, after a decade of mystery. (Meduza)

Sports

2025 4 Nations Face-Off
- Amidst heightened tensions between the two nations, the Canadian men's ice hockey team defeats the United States team 3–2 in overtime in the final of the 4 Nations Face-Off, with Connor McDavid scoring the winning goal. (BBC) (NPR)

RD: Peter Jason

Article: Peter Jason (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [16]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a lot of work. Natg 19 (talk) 01:09, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Still needs work. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:43, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added references. Should be good to go. @Admins willing to post ITN: Natg 19 (talk) 22:57, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jerry Butler

Article: Jerry Butler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
Created by TUF-KAT (talk · give credit)
Updated by Ghmyrtle (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American soul singer. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:49, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Solo career section is orange tagged, and the Canadian portion of the Singles table needs citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 17:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment all issues with referencing fixed. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 20:01, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 23:00, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ilkka Kuusisto

Article: Ilkka Kuusisto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): YLE
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Influential in Finnish music as organist, radio programmer, director of music publisher, choir master of the Finnish National Opera, and then its General Manager, and all the time also a composer, prolific in operas. We had a 2007 article with Finnish sources --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The article is pretty short but I think it’s long enough to post. I noticed you recently did a lot of sourcing on it Gerda - thank you! It looks good from a citation aspect ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good quality. Yakikaki (talk) 16:06, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – robertsky (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Oded Lifshitz

Article: Oded Lifshitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): JTA, BBC News, Haaretz
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Updated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit) and Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Israeli journalist, peace activist, and hostage, body returned to Israel yesterday shortly after confirmation of death. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:04, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - article looks well sourced to me ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 21:32, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - good article. Lova Falk (talk) 06:39, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ariel and Kfir Bibas

Article: Kidnapping of the Bibas family (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Ariel and Kfir Bibas (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The bodies of Ariel and Kfir Bibas were identified by Israel after being transferred during the 2025 Gaza war ceasefire. Arguably the most-known hostages as part of the ongoing crisis, this has recent widespread international attention. Though this article isn't directly about the children, I believe their deaths (now confirmed) are significant enough to qualify for RD. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:45, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should this not also include Shiri, the wife/their mother, as well as Oded Lifshitz, remains also passed on this last exchange? This is a tricky situation as I don't think this turnover itself is sufficient ITN beyond what's already in the ongoing. Maybe a blurb in terms of being an unusual death? Masem (t) 19:51, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shiri's body was not returned (Hamas gave Israel an unidentified body) so her death has yet to be officially confirmed. Perhaps a separate RD could be proposed for Lifshitz too. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:58, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem Lifshitz has been proposed as a separate RD, but for the moment it appears Shiri's body was not actually returned. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:00, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not sure they fit the criteria for "recently died"/"death announced within the last seven days". Their deaths were announced in 2023, though they were only confirmed now. Estreyeria (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Estreyeria Hamas had claimed in 2023 that they were dead, but the deaths weren't independently verified until just a few days ago. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:25, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support on a blurb here. I don’t think this quite qualifies for a RD because the article isn’t about individual people (this is a really gray area) but I do think it fits the criteria for death announced in the past seven days, since Hamas isn’t a verifiable source. The article’s quality is good and this is certainly a big story that I have been seeing on multiple news sites. I believe Hamas has recently handed over a fifth body they claim is Shiri’s, so soon we may be able to add her to the blurb when that is verified. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 21:49, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb: I don't think this is significant enough to override the "ongoing factor." RD is enough for all four individuals. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 10:28, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@MT-710 I've struck your comment for the same rationale as below - as you are not WP:XC, you are (for now) not allowed to comment on WP:ARBPIA content. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:47, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The Kip: I am indeed WP:XC. Although I haven't 500 edits yet on this account, I was given the right here as I had a previous account with the XC. I'll go ahead and unstrike the comment. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 10:27, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD None of them are notable enough to qualify for their own Wikipedia article. The only coverage about them is due to the conflict which is/was already in Ongoing for a long time. RIP but we would never consider RD for any Palestinians who died in the conflict due to systemic bias (not just Wikipedia but wider Western media).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.198.105 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC) Striking - the Bibas family story/article falls under ARBPIA ECR, and as a result IPs aren't allowed to comment. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. This is mentioned below the nomination. Also, please do not forget to sign your comments TNM101 (chat) 04:18, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TNM101 worth noting I've struck their comment anyways - it was an IP, and given ARBPIA ECR they weren't allowed to comment here in the first place. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:46, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD, weak support blurb, but seeking clarification I've seen very mixed messages on whether non-biographical articles can qualify someone for RD per WP:RD. Personally, I don't see why it would matter whether the death is notable because of the lifelong achievements of the individual or instead the manner of death/other one-time event which happened to that person. Isn't the whole point to communicate recent deaths which are in the news, and both categories of death meet that criterion? But, in any event, I think the intense global coverage, "orange heart" social media movement, and public outcry related to their deaths brings it into the realm of potentially blurb-worthy as another viable alternative. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:33, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD. Per WP:ITNRD having an individual biographical article is a requirement for an RD entry. There is a note that Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis. but there is essentially no biographical coverage about them on the linked article. Thryduulf (talk) 04:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One of them is literally a baby, so having extensive biographical coverage seems like an impossible hurdle for any widely reported infant death to meet (short of the literal heir to the throne of England, who I suppose would be the narrow example of a child that might get an article immediately upon being born). However, adults who are members of that same "group" as the baby, would by definition have more biographical information available about them, on account of having actually lived a fuller life. I'm not sure if when this policy was written, the community intended to mass-exclude all high-profile deaths of infants/children who are members of a group. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:37, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I doubt there was a conscious intention to exclude infants, it seems entirely logical to me to do so. Only in rare circumstances will infants be notable individuals. It seems strange to me to try and say the baby was notable and RD is just an "impossible hurdle" because... he naturally did nothing of note - short of extremely precocious prodigies, babies just aren't notable, because they haven't done anything notable. If they're part of a notable group then their notability is inherited from the other members of the group having done stuff. Infant deaths are sad, but even if an heir to the British throne died at 9 months old, I would oppose posting unless the death was the story. That death would be heavily covered in the news and the baby prince would probably have had a WP article from birth, but it's sad for the family but there's no biographical information on that unlived life, and never will be, and that's a consequence of the same reason why the infant can't be notable. I think you're seeing it as short life = no info = WP thinks not notable for RD. In reality it's short life = not notable, and short life = no info. Kingsif (talk) 01:18, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Flipandflopped the purpose of recent deaths is to highlight the biographical articles about notable individuals who have recently died. It's for where the whole story is what they did while they were alive - "famous old man dies" type news stories. With only very limited exceptions "notable" means "has an individual biographical article on the English Wikipedia". The limited exceptions are for people who have an equivalent level of biographical coverage on a broader article (Barry Chuckle is for some reason the first example that comes to mind). Infants are almost always not notable, and those very few that are have biographies. None of the individuals whose death is being reported here are individually notable, and the story is about their death not about what they did while they were alive, which is the purpose of a blurb. Thryduulf (talk) 21:10, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD per Flipandflopped, oppose blurb as I don't really think they rise to the level of one - probably the most (in)famous hostages, but unfortunately three of many, and even then it doesn't quite break through the bar for I/P stories. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:49, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose On all the fronts. They died in 2023, when it was reported (we'll circle back to this). The article is not about the individuals - not their own articles nor an article about their family directly, but about an incident involving them. So we're in a perhaps strange situation where individuals who would never meet GNG to have biographic articles still have their deaths covered in an article - but they just don't meet RD criteria and I don't feel there's anything about this case that means we should ignore the letter of RD policy. I don't think they meet the spirit of the policy either, nor are they people of major global/historical significance worthy of IAR. We could have had a longer discussion about the family meeting the "death is the story" criteria for blurb only, but that would be an event blurb and is certainly stale by now. I don't think the kidnapping was nominated back in 2023, but I doubt it would have been posted if it was, as a small group of many people extra-judicially taken by both sides in this conflict. In the same way, so many have died without even being named in news media - the emotive family and baby aspect here has seen this family promoted above others but, again, there is nothing so significant to IAR how we handle this. Kingsif (talk) 01:06, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Having read the above and looked at ITNRD, I propose to add the following to RD: "Shiri, Ariel, and Kfir Bibas" Any further thoughts which goes beyond what has already been discussed would be welcome. Schwede 66 04:40, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still oppose that for the reasons explained above - we do not have biographical articles about them, either individually or as a group. Thryduulf (talk) 21:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted based on this WP:ITNRD criterion: Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis. Schwede 66 21:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull @Schwede66 I and others have explicitly opposed that on the grounds that they do not have significant coverage. Even ignoring that I'm not seeing consensus in the discussion above. Thryduulf (talk) 22:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the discussion above, we have five editors who are supporting RD (at least to some extent), and two against. That's consensus as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Schwede 66 23:22, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus is not a numbers game, but we have three editors who explicitly oppose RD because they do not meet the criteria for RD (with explanations why) and only two (one of whom is you) who support with any reference to the RD criteria, none of whom even attempt to give any reasoning why they think someone without extensive biographical coverage meets criteria which includes a requirement for extensive [biographical] coverage. This is not a consensus by any definition. Thryduulf (talk) 23:29, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Involved, but I also do not see actual consensus, and certainly not on the merit of arguments. Kingsif (talk) 23:51, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frankétienne

Article: Frankétienne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News:Frankétienne, considered one of Haiti’s most important and prolific writers, dies at 88
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)
Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Haitian author and painter. Jaguarnik (talk) 17:45, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak~~ support ~~Article isn't much longer than a stub~~, though it is fully cited including the "Selected works" section, which is remarkable. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:10, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article has been expanded and formatted a solid bit, changing to a normal support. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:57, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support - seconding The Kip on this one ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 21:51, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support It looks like the article has been expanded upon significantly in the past few hours. Looks great! NewishIdeas (talk) 01:27, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2025 4 Nations Face-Off

No support and withdrawn by nominator. Schwede 66 19:09, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 4 Nations Face-Off (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In ice hockey, the Canadian men's team defeats the United states' in the 4 Nations Face-Off final amidst heightened tensions between the two countries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 17:02, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At minimum, oppose on quality, no game summaries or the like are absent. --Masem (t) 17:38, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Though I did watch the final of this event, it was basically a replacement for the NHL All Star Game, which divided players into home countries. From the target article the tournament was primarily an NHL-only event, having no affiliation with the worldwide International Ice Hockey Federation. Not significant enough to be posted at ITN, in comparison to other sports events. Natg 19 (talk) 17:53, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even as a huge hockey fan and frequent WP:NHL contributor - it was a limited-participation tournament done under the NHL's watch rather than the IIHF as a replacement for the All-Star Game. Doesn't quite meet the bar for ITN. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:01, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This was a fun few games but it was the NHL messing around with their All-Star format, not an officially sanctioned international tournament. Modest Genius ^talk 18:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - as a Canadian - we have to be kidding. I don't see ITNs for various Persian Gulf four-team tournies. Maybe if it becomes a thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nfitz (talk • contribs) 20:14, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I withdraw my nomination Uneventful event for an uneventful year. ArionStar (talk) 16:17, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. While not a championship (what is this even? A Nic Cage ripoff?), this had more Wikipedia page views than a proper rugby championship involving "six" (actually four, but they'd correct you on that) nations could ever dream of. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: David Boren

Article: David Boren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:99BF:AE1B:130C:232D (talk · give credit)
Updated by CoreyShirey1995 (talk · give credit), TulsaPoliticsFan (talk · give credit) and Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former governor of Oklahoma. 240F:7A:6253:1:99BF:AE1B:130C:232D (talk) 14:25, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well written article with only one citation needed tag. NewishIdeas (talk) 01:24, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All CN tags have been removed, and I have taken some time to change up some of the grammar/punctuation issues in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 13:29, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose There's an orange expansion tag in the electoral history and orange-tagged articles aren't supposed to be posted, though I'm not sure if that section truly needs expansion. Otherwise quality looks fine, only 2 citation needed tags. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 08:46, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 22:48, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Topological qubits

No consensus to post. Step hen 22:43, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Majorana 1 (talk · history · tag) and Majorana fermion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Microsoft researchers claim to have created topological qubits using Majorana quasiparticles. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Microsoft announces Majorana 1 – a quantum computer chip which uses Majorana quasiparticles as topological qubits.
News source(s): Nature report, Nature paper, New York Times, FT, South China Morning Post, Ars Technica
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Created by Editor8778 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Countercheck (talk · give credit), Lfstevens (talk · give credit), Disclaimer777cc (talk · give credit) and Meelo Mooses (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is cutting-edge work and so not certain but the primary source is a peer-reviewed paper in Nature. My start point was a front page report in the NYT which talked about "another phase of matter" but didn't explain it well. I wanted to find out more and so I suppose many readers will likewise come to Wikipedia for more details. ITN can help them find relevant articles. I have suggested a blurb which links to two of them but maybe there's more.

The practical significance of this development is that it may facilitate the construction of quantum computers which are currently held back by the instability of their quantum bits (qubits). This approach promises to be more stable. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:22, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Did they create the computer, or are they claiming to have made it? If the latter, I suppose we'll have to wait a bit. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 09:36, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The claim is for a novel architecture in which they "implement a single-shot interferometric measurement of fermion parity, in indium arsenide–aluminium heterostructures with a gate-defined superconducting nanowire". So, this is an enabling technology or technique in this developing field. Lots more work would be needed before you can buy a device yourself.

The role of Wikipedia here is not to say whether or not this is a solid result and how soon it will get to market. What we have are lots of good background articles such as Ettore Majorana, whose name appears in this context. He's a little-known genius who seems to have discovered the neutron before Chadwick and mysteriously disappeared. I'd not heard of him before and this is a good opportunity to help readers find out more so that they better understand the news reports.

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:06, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, absolutely nothing to do with ITN. Try DYK. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:09, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance. Unfortunately, I will have to oppose the boldlinking of Topological quantum computer due to the uncited paragraphs. The other concern is whether they actually did what they claim to have done, but it seems that news sources are accepting their claim at face value and I think a large company like Microsoft has less incentive to lie about discoveries like this than most researchers. Toadspike [Talk] 10:51, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not certain that's the best target for bolding as a number of related articles have started spiking on the news. Perhaps we should go with Majorana 1 which is a new article and every paragraph in that has at least one source. That article seems reasonably NPOV and balanced too in that it presents sceptical views as well as the claims and details. I've added an ALT for that. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now that I've read the discussion below, it looks like the evidence for their claims is not as strong as I thought. I will switch my !vote to Wait until better evidence is presented, then support. Toadspike [Talk] 08:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of course Microsoft is highly incentivized to lie: patents. Either to get some now, thanks to the brainless rubber-stamping US PTO, or to protect themselves against better-evidenced patents from everyone else when it all becomes real. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait: The similar Microsoft announcement four years ago was retracted [17]. 128.91.201.203 (talk) 14:13, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That retraction in 2021 was for a paper in 2018 and we're not going to keep this discussion open for three years. Presumably, they and the peer-reviewers are aware of the issue now and think they've cracked it. Whether they have or haven't, it's still in the news and readers want to know more.

Andrew🐉(talk) 14:22, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The 2018 paper was heavily criticized at the time by unimpressed outsiders, just like the current one. Readers aren't the only ones who want to know more: so do other researchers, and Microsoft isn't being helpful. The new paper itself is cautious about making any actual Majorana quasiparticle claims. At the moment, no one can tell if it's real or fluff, so really, it's little more than a hardball press release with Nature conniving. The scientific version of clickbait. In other words, Wait the three years or more if necessary. 128.91.201.203 (talk) 14:59, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Microsoft announced results in their press conference that do not correspond with the contents of the paper. Nature themselves published an accompanying news report that pours cold water on the claims [18] and emphasises that they're not in the paper. I have a CoI here so won't !vote, but it seems there's a lot of salesmanship going on without supporting evidence. We usually require science stories to be supported by peer-reviewed publication. Modest Genius ^talk 14:54, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In an extraordinary step, I notice that the journal has added a disclaimer in the 'peer review file': "The editorial team wishes to point out that the results in this manuscript do not represent evidence for the presence of Majorana zero modes in the reported devices." I've never before seen a paper that had such an editorial disclaimer. Modest Genius ^talk 15:05, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose based on MG's observations that this is not backed by peer review, and reads more like PROMO when taking that into account. Masem (t) 15:07, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Nature paper was explicitly peer-reviewed:
"Peer review information: Nature thanks Hao Zhang and the other, anonymous, reviewer(s) for their contribution to the peer review of this work. Peer reviewer reports are available."

Andrew🐉(talk) 15:23, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it was, but that paper does not report any topological qubits. Modest Genius ^talk 15:33, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that that is confusing and unsatisfactory but that's where I came in – I read the report on the front page of the NYT and didn't understand what they were saying. You may know all about this already but we're here for the lay readers who are reading the news, not for the experts and professionals. By saying nothing, we're not helping to clarify what's going on. Running the bottom bus plunge blurb for another day doesn't seem so helpful or interesting. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:55, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By saying nothing, we are in fact clarifying what's going on: nothing. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 16:16, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Expert opinions seem to differ on that. Per the Nature report, "“Would I bet my life that they’re seeing what they think they’re seeing? No, but it looks pretty good,” says Steven Simon, a theoretical physicist at the University of Oxford, UK, who was briefed on the results." Andrew🐉(talk) 17:57, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which is a scientific way of saying "nothing". A lot more needs to be done before any Majorana claims can be taken seriously. Meanwhile, excited cheering from one of the sidelines is going to happen. But if you put on some noise-cancelling headphones, you'll hear the "nothing". 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:09, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While we should write at a lay person level, writing towards requires actual knowledge about a complicated topic which the NYTimes or most other mainstream news isn't going to cover it at that level. Masem (t) 18:05, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that when it comes to breaking scientific news, the NYT has long been a sad case with random accuracy and little real information. Within physics, all big announcements regarding string theory, fusion energy, and quantum computation are to be treated with extreme skepticism, but since it's clickbait, the NYT passes along the more spinnable hype without shame. Let's just say that the NYT has done an overcompensating 180 from its glory days of laughing at rockets in space, since they can't push against vacuum. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:09, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per 128.91.201.203. — E_F⁵ 15:31, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. I disagree with Andrew's need to "rush" to get this posted, especially if the actual results are unclear. Wikipedia does not need to "break news" and we especially do not want to have the wrong breaking news. Natg 19 (talk) 17:28, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See ITN's primary purpose, "To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news." I know that readers are searching for this because the stats show it and I did so myself. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:57, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are four purposes for ITN that work in balance. Masem (t) 19:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We're not a hype machine. Secretlondon (talk) 19:35, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on account of this being a major advancement in quantum computing, but I would prefer Waiting until the results are clearer first. --Spec tral Ion 17:44, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as un-newsworthy as the endless parade of "the tokamak put out more energy this time, we swear!" press releases. Abductive (reasoning) 20:36, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, needs more scrutiny , and the blurb itself should probably include some (slightly) more layman's terms. I mean, I dunno what a topological qubit is or why it matters, but if you told me Microsoft claims they can permanently store quantum information in a solid state now, then okay that's really cool 675930s (talk) 12:49, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. Grok is not convinced:

"....As of February 20, 2025, Microsoft’s claims are holding up in the sense that their physics looks solid—better than 2018—and they’ve built something tangible. The Nature data is a step forward, and their engineering focus suggests intent to deliver. But “holding up” doesn’t mean proven beyond doubt. They’ve shown a qubit, not a computer. The leap to millions of qubits hinges on untested scaling and error rates they haven’t fully disclosed. The scientific community’s cautiously optimistic but wants more: entanglement demos, error-rate benchmarks, and independent verification.

So, are they holding up? Tentatively, yes—for now. The foundation’s there, but it’s a house of cards until they show it works at scale. The next few years—two-qubit entanglement, eight-qubit error correction—will tell if this is a breakthrough or another overreach." Lfstevens (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to Grok (chatbot)? I really hope you aren't asking a chatbot to assess scientific news, let alone ITN nominations. Use of LLMs on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged - it's best to avoid them completely. Modest Genius ^talk 13:48, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. Whether this is a significant technological step forward (which we should definitely post), just marketing hype (which we should definitely not post) or something in between is unclear and the consensus of expert opinion seems to be that it is unclear. Which it is might be resolvable soon (e.g. if more data is released), or it might take a few years. Regardless, we should not be posting it before the significance is clear. Thryduulf (talk) 00:48, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait since the consensus is that what's going on here isn't fully clear 02:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orbitalbuzzsaw (talk • contribs)
Oppose it's not clear what we would "wait" for; this is going to remain "dubious hype" for the next week. 217.180.228.171 (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per above, particularly Modest Genius and Thryduulf. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:08, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait: Majorana 1 is a new chip announced by Microsoft so we should wait for new information. Also, as per above discussion. --AravPerfectlyEdits (talk) 05:50, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: See [19]. The thread is by Sergey Frolov, a co-author of the 2012 Science paper that started the modern hunt for Majorana fermions. His view is that the latest Microsoft paper is essentially "scientific fraud". Note that Microsoft is claiming that their Majorana claims are based on evidence obtained since they submitted their paper for peer-review a year ago. Could be, but obviously, the new stuff has not been peer-reviewed. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 19

Portal:Current events/2025 February 19

February 19, 2025 (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Uvira offensive
    - Widespread civil disorder arises in Uvira, South Kivu Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo amid M23 rebel advances from Bukavu. At least thirty deaths are reported, along with looting and a prison break of 228 Congolese soldiers imprisoned for desertion. (Reuters)
  - Following a meeting between Chadian president Mahamat Déby and a diplomatic envoy of Congolese president Félix Tshisekedi, the Congolese government formally requests military support from Chad in their ongoing conflict against the M23 movement. (Anadolou Agency)
  - The United Nations Security Council holds an emergency meeting in response to rapid territorial gains made by M23 rebels, with U.N. special envoy for Congo Bintou Keita saying the council needed to take "urgent and decisive steps to avert a wider regional war." (AP)
Islamic State insurgency in Puntland
- Puntland counter-terrorism operations
  - Puntland police capture several IS–Somalia militants accused of involvement in extortion and bombings in Bosaso, the capital of the Bari Region, amid ongoing military operations in the Cal Miskaad mountains. (Garowe Online)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure
  - At least one person is killed and 14 others are injured in Russian missile and drone strikes across Ukraine, including a large drone attack on energy infrastructure in Odesa that leaves 160,000 residents without heating and electricity. (The Kyiv Independent)
Boko Haram insurgency
- The Chad National Army announces the end of its four-month Operation Haskanite, an offensive in the Lake Chad area against Boko Haram, and that 297 terrorists and 27 soldiers have been killed. (The Hindu)

Disasters and accidents

Two light aircraft, a Lancair 360 MK II and a Cessna 172S, collide midair at Marana Regional Airport near Tucson, Arizona, United States, killing two people. (NBC News)

International relations

Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Ukraine–United States relations
  - Amid deteriorating relations between both countries, U.S. President Donald Trump calls Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a "dictator" and says he has done a "terrible job" while warning "he is not going to have a country left" soon. (BBC News)
- Russia–United States relations
  - Russian President Vladimir Putin praises the high-level talks with the U.S. in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, as a "first step" towards restoring full diplomatic ties with the United States. (The Moscow Times)
Belgium–Rwanda relations
- Rwanda suspends a humanitarian aid pact with Belgium after Belgian Foreign Minister Maxime Prévot criticized Rwanda's military support for the M23 rebel movement in Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Euro Weekly News)

Law and crime

2020s European re-armament
- Denmark announces 50 billion kroner in defense spending over the next two years, citing an increased threat from Russia, bringing the country's total defense spending to the highest in more than 50 years. (BBC News)
Former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro is formally charged with leading the 2022 Brazilian coup plot, which attempted to overthrow current President Lula da Silva. (Reuters)

Science and technology

Polish police inspects several tanks from a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket that crashed in the country after its reentry into the atmosphere during the night. (BBC) (TVN24)
Apple Inc. announces the iPhone 16e, discontinuing all remaining Lightning port iPhones and the home button third-generation iPhone SE. (9to5Mac)

Sports

2024–25 AFC Champions League Elite
- In association football, Chinese club Shandong Taishan withdraw from the AFC Champions League Elite several hours before their match against South Korean club Ulsan HD. (ESPN) (South China Morning Post)

(Posted) RD: William Browder (mathematician)

Article: William Browder (mathematician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [20]
Credits:

Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American mathematician. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks well-referenced to me, though a little bit short. Natg 19 (talk) 02:00, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: , if this is good enough to post, please someone do it before it is too old. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:11, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The bio is too skinny for my liking. Schwede 66 21:16, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66, I added a bit and now the prose is 500+ words long. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:05, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 22:13, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mike Lange

Article: Mike Lange (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:99BF:AE1B:130C:232D (talk · give credit)
Updated by Red0ctober22 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sportscaster for the Pittsburgh Penguins. 240F:7A:6253:1:99BF:AE1B:130C:232D (talk) 14:25, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the Expressions section is orange tagged and entirely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The entire unsourced section is now removed. --PFHLai (talk) 23:42, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Milind Rege

Article: Milind Rege (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [21]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Decent shape. Natg 19 (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Long enough with 340 words of prose. Footnotes can be found in expected spots. Formatting looks fine. Earwig has found no issues. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – robertsky (talk) 18:00, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Haines (journalist)

Article: Joe Haines (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [22]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready. Section about his work with Harold Wilson resembles more a magazine than an encyclopedia. A lot of "Haines said", "Haines recalled". Lova Falk (talk) 10:48, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Souleymane Cissé (film director)

Article: Souleymane Cissé (film director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [23] ABC News
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Needs work. Natg 19 (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb as landmark film director. 2A02:8071:78E1:A100:2CC3:5752:E2B0:EDEA (talk) 11:42, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready with uncited paragraphs and filmography. Oppose blurb too. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 12:49, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Filmography has remained unsourced. Some paragraphs have zero footnotes. Some paragraphs have footnotes in the middle, making readers wonder if the rest of the paragraph (after the footnotes) can be reliably sourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Snowy Fleet

Article: Snowy Fleet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [24]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs work. Natg 19 (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Some uncited statements in the article + unreliable sources exist (i.e. Discogs). Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 17:28, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Glenn Knight

Article: Glenn Knight (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [25]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Looks in good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 06:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: GA, good to go. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 12:46, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - looks good ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:22, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support and marking as ready. Article quality is good to go. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:25, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 18

Portal:Current events/2025 February 18

February 18, 2025 (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Uvira offensive
    - Rwandan-backed M23 rebels advance on the city of Butembo, North Kivu, and capture Kamanyola in South Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo after defeating Congolese forces. Local officials say M23 forces are now preparing to advance on Uvira. (AP)
    - Burundi initiates the withdrawal of its military forces from the eastern DRC following M23 advances. Between 10,000 and 15,000 Congolese civilians cross into Burundi to avoid violence, with several drowning in the Ruzizi River. (Reuters)
Gaza war, Middle Eastern crisis
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire
  - Hamas accuses Israel of carrying out at least 266 attacks in the Gaza Strip since the agreed ceasefire on January 19, killing at least 132 Palestinians and wounding 900 others. (Newsweek)
Sudanese civil war
- Al-Kadaris and Al-Khelwat massacres
  - Rapid Support Forces militants kill at least 433 people in the villages of Al-Kadaris and Al-Khelwat, White Nile State, Sudan. (Reuters)
Israeli invasion of Lebanon
- Israel partially withdraws troops from Lebanon as the deadline for their withdrawal expires. (Reuters)

Arts and culture

Tomb of Thutmose II
- A joint Egyptian-British archaeological mission announces the discovery of the tomb of King Thutmose II. (CBS News)
Chinese animated film Ne Zha 2 amasses a total box office of ¥12.3 billion (US$1.69 billion), surpassing Inside Out 2 as the highest-grossing animated film globally. (Reuters)

Business and economy

German economic crisis
- German automotive parts company Continental AG announces it will lay off over 3,000 research and development positions and end operations at its factory in Nuremberg, Bavaria, by 2026. (DW)
Brazilian minister of mines and energy Alexandre Silveira announces that the country will join OPEC+. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

February 2025 North American storm complex
- The death toll from flooding in Kentucky, United States, rises to 14, amid the threat of an imminent winter storm in the region. (NBC News)

International relations

Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia–United States relations
- The United States and Russia start talks in Saudi Arabia about the war in Ukraine without European or Ukrainian participation. (The New York Times) (BBC News)
- The delegations agree to start the negotiating process for ending the war, create high-level teams, and normalize diplomatic and economic ties between the two countries. (AP)
- U.S. President Donald Trump calls for a new presidential election to be held in Ukraine as part of a peace deal with Russia. (The Telegraph) (NBC News)
- Russia rules out any peacekeepers from NATO member states being stationed in Ukraine as part of any peace agreement. (BBC News)

Law and crime

2025 Istanbul alcohol poisonings
- Over 124 people have been killed over the last six weeks from consuming bootleg alcohol, with dozens still hospitalized. Twenty-eight people are arrested in connection with the production and distribution of the alcohol. (Haarlems Dagblad) (CBS News)
Animal welfare in the United Kingdom
- The Welsh Government announces a ban on Greyhound racing in Wales following cross-party calls for a ban on the sport which has been criticized for its animal cruelty. (BBC News)
Iran–United Kingdom relations
- An Iranian court charges a British couple who were arrested and jailed last month with espionage. (DW)
$Libra cryptocurrency scandal
- A judge in Argentina orders investigations into potential fraud by President Javier Milei following his brief social media promotion of a cryptocurrency that collapsed in value hours after promotion. (AP)

Politics and elections

Second cabinet of Donald Trump
- The United States Senate confirms businessman Howard Lutnick as the Secretary of Commerce in a 51–45 vote. (AP)

Science and technology

NASA's Center for Near-Earth Object Studies announces that the chances of asteroid 2024 YR4 impacting Earth on 22 December 2032 has increased to 3.1% (1-in-32) following further observations of its orbital trajectory. It has now surpassed the threat of 99942 Apophis which once had a 2.7% chance of hitting Earth during 2004 before later being ruled out. (Live Science) (CNN)

RD: Dickson Despommier

Article: Dickson Despommier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American academic, microbiologist and ecologist. Developed the modern idea of Vertical farming. Obit published 18 February. Thriley (talk) 02:57, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could use more REFs in Dickson Despommier#Research, please? --PFHLai (talk) 12:16, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Discovery of King Thutmose II's tomb

Article: Tomb of Thutmose II (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Archaeologists confirm the discovery of the King Thutmose II's (relief pictured) tomb, the first royal Egyptian tomb to be discovered since Tutankhamun 's in 1922. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Archaeologists confirm that tomb Wadi C-4 (relief pictured) was originally a tomb for Thutmose II, the first royal tomb to be discovered in Egypt since Tutankhamun's in 1922.
Alternative blurb II: Archaeologists announce that the empty tomb Wadi C-4 (relief pictured) was that of the pharaoh Thutmose II.
News source(s): CBS News, BBC
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 04:42, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle, but two things concern me: one, the target article has nothing about this discovery at all. Related, we usually like to see the published peer-review journal that affirms the findings, and while this is not to say that the Egyptian Ministry of Tourism & Antiquities is not reliable here, I can't seem to find any academic source that can be used to build out the discovery aspect of the tomb to a degree beyond the simple news coverage gives. Masem (t) 05:10, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, oppose on quality per Masem. Seems like a fairly major development, but oddly the coverage in RS is all fairly surface-level. Hopefully some more detailed coverage in RS emerges and is added to the article soon. Flip^and Flopped ツ 05:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle. This is excellent news of high encyclopaedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle Egyptian antiquities authority is a reliable enough source. Substantial advancement in Egyptology. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:29, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability but the article has room for improvement. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:50, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality, while yes, in the scale of things this is a rather important discovery, it's not very notable in the context provided by ArionStar's comment, as the time for this discovery has come and gone, especially considering we've had so much stuff in the news lately. Kingofmapps (talk) 13:24, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Quick skim over the main target article (that of the tomb) reveals it to be postable. Certainly notable. Bremps... 23:18, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support yippie! something that isn't political results or a tragedy in ITN! Article looks fine quality wise. Scuba 05:01, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article tells us that the mummy of Thutmose II (right) was found long ago in 1881. The new discovery is claimed to have been the original tomb. It appears that the mummy was moved because of raiders and so this tomb has been plundered and doesn't contain artifacts comparable with those of Tutankhamun. So there doesn't seem to be much to show. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:31, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Articles changed. ArionStar (talk) 11:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Needs improvement Something of this magnitude having only three citations is... a shock. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:22, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support On the condition that the main hook is changed to Thutmose himself, that article suffices and is good enough for the main page rather than this newly minted article about the tomb. Important archaeological discovery. Gotitbro (talk) 16:26, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, while waiting for journal coverage would be the better option. There is no guarantee of news coverage when that comes about and Egyptian Antiquities is pretty much confirmation especially on an uncontested topic. Gotitbro (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on fundamentals. Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 17:23, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability as it's a major achievement in archeology, given it's the first Egyptian royal tomb discovered in a century. Weak oppose on quality, however, as the article feels undercited and underdeveloped for such a discovery. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability per above, but oppose on quality. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 18:24, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support to have some positive news. The link should point to the article on Thutmose II which is bigger and better written than the one on his tomb which is much smaller. I can't be bothered to put in effort to expand the tomb article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:22, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Harizotoh9, can the tomb article be merged into the thutmose article? — Masem (t) 23:36, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  See, the thing is I'm not even sure that we NEED a specific article for the tomb as of now and it may have been made pre-maturely. So I'm leaning towards that. Harizotoh9 (talk) 08:45, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
𓋴𓅲𓊪𓊪𓂋𓏏 on notability It's great to see something other than politics and accidents being posted on ITN it means support The AP (talk) 06:21, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. This is an interesting discovery, but it's nowhere near as dramatic as the blurb makes it sound. This tomb was empty and the article explains that it's only the first since 2014, not 1922. The proposed blurbs are therefore incorrect, and Thutmose's is orange tagged. I've added alt2. Modest Genius ^talk 14:57, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability per above. I support Altblurb 1. I actually oppose both other blurbs, as the original blurb is technically inaccurate and Altblurb 2 makes this sound extremely underwhelming. --Spec tral Ion 19:22, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 22:21, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Bolsonaro indicted

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Consensus to speedy close --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Prosecution of Jair Bolsonaro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Jair Bolsonaro (pictured), the former president of Brazil, and 33 others are indicted in connection with the 2022 Brazilian coup plot. (Post)
News source(s): Folha de S.Paulo
Credits:

Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:52, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close. There's not even an article to judge (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 00:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close per Howard the Duck. The bolded article is actually in draftspace as we speak. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:22, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close per above; why are we nominating articles that haven't even been created yet? RachelTensions (talk) 02:08, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. No need to close the nom. We do not need an article on the event in question to post a nom (provisional target could be Bolsonaro). There will be an article in due time though, and if not, we could always retarget. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:10, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait He was not arrested yet. ArionStar (talk) 02:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Regardless of the lack of article, being indicted is nothing. Anyone can accuse anyone for whatever reason, and this doesn't necessarily end in a trial. The real news is when there is a trial that ends with a sentence about this. Cambalachero (talk) 03:08, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Marian Turski

Article: Marian Turski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://polin.pl/en/marian-turski-co-founder-and-friend-polin-museum-has-passed-away
Credits:

Nominated by EUPBR (talk · give credit)
Updated by PavKls (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

EUPBR (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article has decent quality and is thoroughly sourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:30, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - His daughter being a flautist is the only thing that isn't sourced, but I won't let that hold up this posting ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed! 83.9.161.104 (talk) 22:50, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thought that one would be tough to source. Thanks! ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 23:10, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 04:05, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerard Ridsdale

Article: Gerald Ridsdale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/feb/18/gerald-ridsdale-australias-most-notorious-pedophile-priest-dies-in-jail-ntwnfb
Credits:

Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australia’s most notorious paedophile priest, died in jail. HiLo48 (talk) 07:30, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Article is thoroughly sourced. Jusdafax (talk) 10:57, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Article offers a lot of detail about his crimes over decades (and subsequent investigations and inquiries) with citations throughout. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:01, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - well cited ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:11, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support B class article. Grimes2 (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. No issues found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:58, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's quality, sourcing, and length are all good. Rest in hell. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:27, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support High-quality article. Flip^and Flopped ツ 22:06, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Egyptian Military Buildup

Portal:Current events/2025 February 17

Consensus to post will not develop. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:31, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Egypt–Israel relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Amid regional tensions, Israel’s ambassador to the United States acknowledges the buildup of Egyptian military forces in the Sinai Peninsula for the first time. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Israeli officials acknowledge an Egyptian military buildup in the Sinai Peninsula for the first time amidst rising tensions.
News source(s): https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-842533
Credits:

Nominated by iiSmxyzXX (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Alternative blurb suggestions are welcome. (First time nominating, apologies for any mistakes) User:IiSmxyzXX User talk:IiSmxyzXX 06:53, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose since this isn't mentioned in the article linked. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, the article hasn’t been updated since the start of year, and is missing a lot of information surrounding the war. IiSmxyzXX (talk) 10:38, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is my first time replying to ITN post, but I do think that it is not yet warrant a global attention yet, especially given that iirc the blubs for the Russian invasion of Ukraine is only posted when the military action begins. NotKringe (talk) 11:50, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. Nothing has happened yet. If Egypt invades, then we can consider posting. Also, there is zero update in the article, which hasn't been edited in over a month. Thanks for your interest in ITN, but this is an misguided nomination. Please see WP:ITNCRIT which explains the minimum requirements for considering an item for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 12:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless Egypt invades Israel, this is hardly notable enough for ITN. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:02, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Extremely premature nomination. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:47, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose 'for the first time' isn't in the source either. Until anything happens this is not interesting. Secretlondon (talk) 16:05, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose A military build-up should not be blurbed, especially when Egypt is unlikely to invade Israel. Not sure what the precedent is with Russia and Ukraine but I would've been opposed to blurbing that build-up too. --Spec tral Ion 18:17, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 17

February 17, 2025 (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Eastern Ukraine campaign
  - 2024 Kharkiv offensive
    - Russia says its forces have captured the village of Fyholivka in Kharkiv Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters)
Israeli invasion of Lebanon
- 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement
  - Mohammad Shahin, a senior Hamas commander, is assassinated in an Israeli airstrike on a vehicle in Sidon, Lebanon. (Anadolu Ajansı)
War against the Islamic State
- Islamic State insurgency in Puntland, American military intervention in Somalia
  - In a coordinated operation, the United States and United Arab Emirates launch joint airstrikes targeting IS–Somalia militants in Bari Region, Puntland, Somalia. (Garowe Online) (Garowe Online) (Garowe Online)
Mexican drug war
- An attack with an explosive drone in the locality of El Capire, Apatzingán left one National Guard and a police wounded, while they were on reconnaissance rounds in the area. Hours later, two agents of the Attorney General of Mexico were kidnapped and found dead in the town in Cenobio Moreno, located on the outskirts of Apatzingán. (El Debate) (El Universal)

Business and economy

American airline company Southwest Airlines announces it will lay off 1,750 jobs, 15% of its corporate workforce, for cost reduction. This is the company's first mass layoff since operating in 1971. (CNBC)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Kerdasa building collapse
- Ten people are killed and eight others are injured when a three-story residential building collapses in Cairo, Egypt. (Washington Post) (Voice of America)
Delta Connection Flight 4819
- Twenty-one people are injured, including three critically when a Delta Airlines Bombardier CRJ900LR, crashes after catching fire and flipping over at Toronto Pearson Airport in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. (NPR) (CBS News) (Al Jazeera)
February 2025 North American storm complex
- Eight adults and one child are killed in flooding caused by heavy rains in the eastern United States. (DW)
2025 Yocalla bus crash
- A bus crashes and falls 800 m (2,600 ft) down a cliff in Yocalla Municipality, Bolivia, killing 31 people and injuring fourteen others. (Reuters)

International relations

Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Weimar+
- European leaders gather in France for a summit on Ukraine after the U.S. administration announced the opening of peace talks with Russia on ending the Ukrainian war without European participation. (CNN)
- Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov says that Europe has no role in any peace negotiations on ending the war in Ukraine. (BBC News)

Law and crime

Syrian security forces arrest three former Assad regime officers responsible for the Tadamon massacre, which occurred in south Damascus in 2013. (The New Arab)
Singaporean Leader of the Opposition Pritam Singh is convicted of two counts of perjury to the Committee of Privileges and is fined S$7,000 per count, but is not disqualified as a member of parliament. (CNA)

Politics and elections

Protests against Donald Trump
- Protests against the second presidency of Donald Trump
  - Demonstrations take place at state capitols around the United States, including at Union Square in Washington, D.C., as part of the 50501 movement to protest against the second administration of U.S. President Donald Trump, the Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk, and Project 2025. (NPR) (USA Today)
2025 Indonesian student protests
- Student groups and the Civil Social Coalition party launched a protest in several cities in Indonesia against the government. (Tempo)

RD: Dan Wallace

Article: Dan Wallace (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ, Irish Examiner
Credits:

Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mr. Lechkar (talk) 00:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

With only 193 words of prose, this is too stubby to qualify. This wikibio is also lacking sourced statements in the main prose to support the date and place of birth mentioned in the infobox, and info on what he did at his various jobs in his long career. Info on his upbringing and education would be good to have, too. --PFHLai (talk) 12:11, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Itch Jones

Article: Itch Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [26]
Credits:

Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Head coaching record section needs a ref but otherwise meets standards for minimum depth and has references for everything else. Spencer^T•C 23:59, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Itch Jones#Head coaching record is still unsourced. --PFHLai (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai: I found references for his head coaching record. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. Didn't see this till now. Too old now. --PFHLai (talk) 23:19, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Edwin Clark

Article: Edwin Clark (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Cable BBC (in Igbo)
Credits:

Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Ammarpad (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nigerian politician TNM101 (chat) 04:22, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Some CN tags still remain throughout the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:01, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At least 3 paragraphs still require sourcing help. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:36, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rick Buckler

Article: Rick Buckler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [27]
Credits:

Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
Updated by Fiveoclockhero (talk · give credit) and Joe Vitale 5 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Drummer for the Jam. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 22:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support And just who is the updater? Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 08:43, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An editor, active since 2009 and who updated the article. Check the article history if you do not believe me. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 12:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Minor facepalm, Fakescientist8000, per a 1982 classic :) Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 17:26, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Joke's on me... Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 19:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The bullet-points in Rick Buckler#Publications are orange-tagged for being unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 21:24, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Julian Holloway

Article: Julian Holloway (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [28]
Credits:

Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
Updated by Hidehi101574 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English actor. Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 22:52, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources for the big tables in the Filmography section? --PFHLai (talk) 04:36, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jamie Muir

Article: Jamie Muir (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Louder, DGMLive
Credits:

Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish percussionist, member of King Crimson. 82. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:14, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready. Orange tagged and the discography section is mainly unsourced. It will also be great to add an infobox. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Discography section has remained unsourced. The orange tag may be due for removal, though. @Fakescientist8000: Is the lead long enough now? --PFHLai (talk) 16:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai I'd say it has. I placed it there when it was a literal sentence. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:37, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Hope the Discography would get sourced soon. --PFHLai (talk) 16:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai just added some refs to the Discography section. Mind giving it a second look? Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:13, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. Didn't see this till now. Nom too old now. --PFHLai (talk) 23:20, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 22:01, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(ATTENTION NEEDED) RD: Francesco Rivella

Article: Francesco Rivella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:

Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
Created by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: New article, date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 15:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready. Too short at the moment and will need some work done. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 15:09, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Still a stub. Natg 19 (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support This has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Delta flip-flop

Consensus to post will not develop. Step hen 05:07, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Delta Connection Flight 4819 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A Delta Bombardier (pictured) flips on landing at Toronto. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, NYT
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Created by Guninvalid (talk · give credit)
Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit) and Trinitrobrick (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: No, nobody was killed but the nature of the accident seems remarkable and likely to be of interest to our readers given the stream of other aviation accidents in North America lately. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support. Reminds me of Air France Flight 358. 2604:7A40:2041:8900:E1C1:E814:ABF9:D3C (talk) 23:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close as the article is at AfD. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That discussion has already been snow closed once and the consensus seems clear. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:48, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose and procedural close, as per PK3. The discussion already has been snowclosed before. I’ve voted for delete on the AfD discussion. Barely significant. 64.114 etc 00:04, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose - At AfD and barely significant enough for ITN. E_F⁵ 23:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on significance. If we posted every aviation incident on this scale ITN would stand for "In Travel News". We're only even considering it because of systemic bias toward U.S. news. Sdkb ^talk 23:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The incident happened in Canada (which has not yet been annexed). I nominated it because I just saw it on the BBC News in the UK and thought it seemed interesting. It's "in the news", you see; unlike the bus plunge which happened over a week ago and which we're only now blurbing. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew, please review WP:POINT. GenevieveDEon (talk) 01:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No deaths, (thankfully) minimal casualties, and runway overruns aren’t too terribly unusual - the only unique bit is the plane somehow ended up upside-down but mostly intact. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:08, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Zero deaths, minimal impact. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support own article. Article definitely needs to be cleaned up before it's fully ready but I suspect that'll continue to happen over the next several hours. Article was AfDd, but the AfD closed as SNOW a second time and there doesn't appear to be any dispute against it yet. This happened in Canada, so it's not just U.S. news. It did land upside-down, but the flight was a hull loss, most likely a total writeoff. guninvalid (talk) 00:12, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose for now On the one hand, I agree with Andrew that the nature of the accident is remarkable, and that interest/coverage will likely be amplified by the recent surge of plane crashes. Also, the rush to nominate this for AfD and then cite it being at AfD to torpedo this ITN nom, comes from a cohort of editors who are overly zealously applying WP:NOTNEWS in violation of WP:RAPID. But even still, nobody died and it's not clear to me whether or not this accident comes from a cause which will drum up even bigger coverage (example: Boeing 737 Max style design defect), or whether it was instead something more ordinary (e.g. pilot overreacts to a gust of wind). Willing to change my mind if subsequent coverage in RS continues to grow as opposed to die out. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, for the record, I strongly oppose SNOW closing this nomination. It is far too soon to snow close this, and we should not set the precedent that prematurely nominating a recent event at AfD precludes it from ITN eligibility. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By that, do you mean you oppose the SNOW close at the AfD? Or would you oppose a SNOW close of this ITN nomination? guninvalid (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The latter! Flip^and Flopped ツ 01:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Thankfully, there were no casualties from this accident. But still, its been an awful start for the aviation world this year. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 00:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Almost a nothing story. Perhaps vaguely related to the winter storm because of the likely wind impact, but that's it. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:10, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - no fatalities. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 01:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - a minor incident without causalties. The fact that it happened to an aeroplane in the 'global north' rather than a bus in the 'global south' doesn't make it more notable. GenevieveDEon (talk) 01:36, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per most of the above. A relatively minor accident with no fatalities. IMO the case for it meeting WP:EVENT is pretty weak. This is yet another example of the persistent problem of editors rushing to create articles the moment a news story breaks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Thankfully no fatalities and all to say, can be considered a minor aircraft incident in its context. Kingsif (talk) 02:15, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Flip and flop. Nobody died. Hooray for air safety. I doubt this is going to be more than a drop in the bucket of aviation incidents this year, albeit perhaps the most fun to laugh at due to the lack of loss of life and sheer absurdity of the incident. Like a pancake, or perhaps a $11.69 four-egg omelette.

I might support the storm system / arctic airmass that caused this. It's pretty damn cold in the Midwest, and the coldest I can ever recall it getting after January. I know Minneapolis gets cold and that's their thing, but a chilly −45 °F (−43 °C) after wind chills in February might be a bit over the line. Departure– (talk) 04:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Paquita la del Barrio

Article: Paquita la del Barrio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Latin Times
Credits:

Nominated by FlyingAce (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Mexican singer. Unsourced discography, but the rest of the article appears sufficiently sourced. –FlyingAce^✈hello 22:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - discography now mostly sourced, there are only a few entries left. –FlyingAce^✈hello 01:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Updated the article with sources and new obits. There shouldn't be any unsourced statements left. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:43, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:06, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Quality is good and article is ready. Flip^and Flopped ツ 22:07, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 03:14, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frits Bolkestein

Article: Frits Bolkestein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dutch news
Credits:

Nominated by TiffanyAlThani (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Dutch liberal politician and European commissioner for internal market

Not ready. Needs attention. Several citation needed tags throughout. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:07, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Quite a few CN tags are peppered throughout the article. Please fix! Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:28, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I went through and put citations for each CN tag except for one. I couldn't find a citation for that one. I hope this resolves the issue opposing the RD proposal. ReflectorDiskJockey (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Issues seem to have been resolved, the quality looks fine to me now. Yakikaki (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good quality and the article is ready. --CommanderShepardX (talk) 02:55, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sections "Honours" and "Published books" need more citations and once that's sorted, this is ready. Schwede 66 03:09, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now added citations for the Published books section, and added citations as well as additional honors to the Honours section. ReflectorDiskJockey (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted – Thanks for your work, ReflectorDiskJockey. Please look up WP:BAREURLS, though – most of which I have fixed. Schwede 66 23:57, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks. I didn't realize. I'll be sure to fix the rest soon. ReflectorDiskJockey (talk) 00:37, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Flash flooding in eastern United States

NOT POSTED

Consensus is against posting the blurb on ITN. On a related note, Kentuckian should not climb the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man. (non-admin closure) 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 02:04, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: February 2025 North American storm complex (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A storm complex in the United States causes flash flooding, claiming at least 14 lives in Kentucky, West Virginia, and Georgia. (Post)
Alternative blurb II:  Flash flooding in the United States claims at least 12 lives in Kentucky with others still missing.
News source(s): CNN, NBC, New York Times
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Kentuckian (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I nominated this article for ITN yesterday, and it was closed after only about 40 minutes. Since then, the article has been expanded and updated, and I now believe it is ready for ITN. Kentuckian |💬 18:01, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose again, because even with 11 deaths, thousands die worldwide from seasonal flooding, this is a minor incident along those lines. --Masem (t) 18:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even read the article? 13 people have died with others still missing. Not even mentioning the property damage, this was a disastrous flood. It should not take 100 people to die for something to be considered "notable". Maybe if you lived in EKY and witnessed this catastrophe first hand you’d feel different. Kentuckian |💬 18:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it was tragic but we cannot post every tragic event that happens. For example the Taichung department store explosion is tragic, but as seen in its discussion below, people dying is not a reason to post. History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:14, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not the number of deaths but the fact that when seasons change or warm weather follows from heavy snowfall, there is routine flooding which routinely can bring deaths. Its less often that happens in the US but it happens frequently. --Masem (t) 18:18, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I don't usually get this angry, but this is really making me mad seeing how ignorant some people are. First off, snow melting did not cause this, it was heavy rain. Second off. Yes, I agree, there is usually flooding that causes 1-2 deaths, but this is 13 people in three different states. And we aren't even gonna talk about the property damage. As I said, maybe if you lived in Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia and seen this catastrophe first hand you would feel differently. Kentuckian |💬 18:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You appear to be emotionally invested in this event and the nomination. Perhaps to the point of not being able to objectively assess notability. This is an encyclopedia, not a blog for people to share their personal traumas.--Danthemankhan 18:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still oppose per Masem. History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still oppose WP:POINTy re-nomination, per Masem, and as original closer. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support event is notable and article is in good shape. 2A02:8071:78E1:A100:4DA2:B42A:700C:C2A8 (talk) 18:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, it rained to a tragic degree, but this happens all over the place. Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi 18:33, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support on notability, weak oppose on quality. I'm tired of this "climate change is worsening, so we can't feature disasters" rhetoric at ITN, but I do agree that this is just some really bad flooding with a few tornadoes, none strong as of now. 13 deaths from a flood is semi-notable, but deaths only play an indirect part in notability. Article needs more info as well. E_F⁵ 18:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose - unfortunate, but flooding events of this magnitude are quite routine in the United States. It's far from Summer 2022 levels for sure. Departure– (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Big oppose due to a re nomination of something that’s already closed. 64.114 etc 20:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability once again per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly opposed. As per Masem, 11-13 deaths is a minor incident compared to the thousands of people worldwide whom seasonal flooding kills. 207.194.85.134 (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support — Notable enough for ITN with 13 deaths. The article is well rounded with plenty of information. The argument “Flooding happens all the time across the United States”, doesn’t really hold water. Though it is true, those are usually just minor events with 1-2 deaths, while this is a major event that has caused 13 deaths with more fatalities likely and a lot of property damage. It is definitely notable. Shlumbis11 (talk) 20:38, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and Snow Close per Masem and Departure. Suggest SNOW closing this renomination, until or unless there is a more substantive change in the nature of the floods themselves. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Snow close Good call, F&F. 72.143.219.80 (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2025 (UTC) •[reply]
Support - This was not by any means minor. Minor flooding would result in some damage to buildings, and maybe some deaths. This is MAJOR, the effects of this complex have been felt all over the entire country, from an EF4 tornado in Calfornia to the flooding in Kentucky, Virginia, and Tennessee. I don’t see how this isn’t notable, and the article seems to be in good shape. Fatcheeto728 (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC) — Fatcheeto728 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Also, for the record, the tornado in California was a much more common EF1. There haven't been any EF4s in California and it'll take more than a flood event or winter storm to change that. Departure– (talk) 00:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed how someone tagged this reply with “Fatcheeto728 has made few or no edits outside this topic”. Shouldn’t we do this to the several IP editors as well? Kentuckian |💬 22:06, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not from what I can tell. A lot of IP editors often have good points in other discussions, or come from an IP range despite being serial constructive contributors. Registered accounts, on the other hand, going strongly against consensus, will be put under scrutiny if this was their first edit. Departure– (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article looks well sourced and is notable as well, since it event included power outages, flash floods, snow, and even a Tornado. TheHiddenCity (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I still do not believe this storm is terribly exceptional. Perhaps for a winter storm, but winter storms aren't generally enduring weather events when it comes down to it. There seems to be some attempt at synthesis here - no, this storm is not notable because it had some tornadoes - the last one did as well, and that one actually had a fatal tornado IIRC. Compare to the freak snowstorm across the Gulf Coast a few weeks ago. That was the more unusual and likely enduring weather event - it was evently voted down. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks ready to go and is of significant nature for one of the most impoverished areas of the US.CoatCheck (talk) 01:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2025 Indonesian student protests

Article: 2025 Indonesian student protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Hundreds of students start protests against the government of Indonesia across the country. (Post)
News source(s): [29]
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 16:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait on notability, given the protests only began today. Oppose on quality - the article in its current state completely fails to illustrate why the protests are occurring, with only a passing mention of "controversial [government] policies," and why the protests are unique/special; neither their size nor their cause appears to be overly unusual. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Statement from the page's creator: This article indeed requires many improvisation, and all editors are welcome to improve it. There might be errors since I am not an English native speaker, and I only created the page at 7 p.m. (ICT / UTC+8), when most protests were over. My decision is wait, since the protest only began this time. DDG 9912 22:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose When I google "student protest", I get reports of ongoing protests in other countries including Iran, Serbia and the US but am not seeing anything about Indonesia. So the latter are not sufficiently prominent to warrant special treatment. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:33, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: That's because the protests receive relatively small attention from foreign media outlets. According to this, all of the foreign websites named for reporting the event, are relatively obscure in your country, the United Kingdom. DDG 9912 09:20, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably the sources for this are in the Indonesian Malay language. But this is the English language Wikipedia. This is a significant barrier and so it seems better for the topic to be covered at the Wikipedia for that language. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just looked at that mainpage of the Indonesian Wikipedia and got it translated to English. It's interesting to see that their equivalent of ITN (Peristiwa terkini) seems to be a straight translation of the English ITN's blurbs even though the bold articles are often redlinks because they don't exist in that language. There is an article there for this topic (Unjuk rasa mahasiswa Indonesia 2025) though. I wonder to what extent that is related to the English equivalent? Andrew🐉(talk) 17:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson

The Indonesian language article is mostly just a translation of the English one sadly. Please read the article again as it has been quite significantly updated from last time when it was nominated. Considering the scale alone on how many cities and universities participated, I stand that this deserves ITN the same way 2024 Indonesian local election law protests was. Nyanardsan (talk) 01:42, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Covered by many international media by now

Reuters,SCMP,Financial Times, Nyanardsan (talk) 14:59, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Andrew and my own personal google fu, I'm not quite convinced these protests warrant a blurb when there are similarly styled protests taking place across the world. Article quality needs a lot of work as well. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability per above. --Spec tral Ion 19:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DDG9912@ArionStar

If this nomination fails or not getting enough traction for now, I'm suggesting re-nominating it tomorrow (which is supposed to be the peak demonstration according to the student bodies). I do think this deserves to be ITN, mainly because of the scale that is relatively big compared to other countries mentioned by @Andrew Davidson and it called for mobilization of university students all over the country to join the protest similar to 2024 Indonesian local election law protests which if I'm remember correctly was ITN. Not to mention this is the first large-scale student protest of the Prabowo administration.

Nyanardsan (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Renomination is not normally done. Just provide an update here, please. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:06, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Protests occur all the time all around the world; its only if those protests actually have an immediate impact, such as if they turn violent, or that they have direct impact (like the Indian farmers' one that used to block main roads). I'm not seeing this here, this is mostly a large but peaceful demonstration. Masem (t) 02:44, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

M23 captures Bukavu

Article: 2025 Bukavu offensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the March 23 Movement captures Bukavu, the capital of South Kivu province, as part of an ongoing offensive (Post)
News source(s): Guardian BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Modest Genius (talk · give credit)
Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Last month, we posted when M23 rebels captured Goma, the capital of North Kivu province. Well now they've taken Bukavu, an even larger city and the capital of South Kivu province. There was a lot less fighting this time around, but widespread looting occurred, apparently not by M23 themselves. The Congolese army retreated without contesting control of the city, and the government has admitted it has fallen. It took more than two years of fighting to capture one major city, now two have fallen in just a few weeks. The article has been updated (not by me) and is in good shape already. Modest Genius ^talk 14:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on quality, the article seems well sourced. oppose on notability, this is covered by ongoing. History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Covered by the M23 ongoing, as that was added after the Goma campaign ITN posting was rolled off. --Masem (t) 14:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion is to post a new blurb, removing the offensive from the ongoing section for as long as the blurb remains on the template. I'm proposing an upgrade, not a duplication. Modest Genius ^talk 12:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral on notability (not sure if it is significant enough to be posted with the whole campaign covered by ongoing), but support on quality if there is consensus that it's notable. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 16:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Although this is also covered by “Ongoing”, the size of Bukavu’s population makes this development notable enough for a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support An armed rebel group capturing a city of over 1,000,000 people from a UN-recognized state strikes me as fairly noteworthy. Although the conflict is covered by ongoing, the taking of a large city with millions of people has typically still merited its own blurb at ITN in the past, even where we have the overarching conflict covered in ongoing: see e.g. Fall of Mosul which we posted, or as the OP references, the Fall of Goma as well. I see no reason for an arbitrary deviation now. Flip^and Flopped ツ 02:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Huge geopolitical change in the 13th/14th most-populous country in the world. This country has more than 109 million people. Alexysun (talk) 04:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The city is close to the border with Rwanda and there was no battle. The occupation therefore seems to be part of the ongoing campaign in that region rather than being a major new front. As the civil war continues, the Ongoing entry seems adequate for this. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson Is that how historically ITN does things? Alexysun (talk) 00:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing, Goma was blurbed before ongoing was posted. --Spec tral Ion 19:29, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 16

Portal:Current events/2025 February 16

February 16, 2025 (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Bukavu offensive
    - Local officials and residents report that Rwanda-backed M23 forces have taken over the center of Bukavu, the capital of South Kivu in eastern DR Congo. (Al Jazeera)
    - The Government of the Democratic Republic of the Congo acknowledges the fall of Bukavu to M23 rebels and urges its roughly two million residents to shelter in place. (BBC News)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Mykolaiv strikes, Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure
  - Russia launches drone strikes across Ukraine, injuring at least one person and damaging a thermal power station in Mykolaiv, leaving 46,000 people without heat. Ukraine says that it shot down 95 of 143 drones while disrupting 46 others by electronic countermeasures. (Reuters)
Yemeni civil war, Red Sea crisis
- The U.S. military announces that the Yemen Coast Guard had successfully intercepted an Iranian weapons shipment on its way to the Houthi movement in Yemen on 12 February. (i24 News)

Arts and culture

78th British Academy Film Awards
- The BAFTAs are held at the Royal Festival Hall in London, England. The Brutalist and Conclave win the most awards, with four each, while the latter also wins Best Film. (Los Angeles Times)

International relations

Russia–United States relations, Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
- U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio leads a delegation that includes National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, for initial talks with Russia. A Russian source reports that the meeting will occur on 18 February and that the Russian delegation is expected to include Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Presidential Aide Yuri Ushakov, and SVR Director Sergey Naryshkin. (AP) (Kommersant)

(Posted) RD: Vladimír Válek

Article: Vladimír Válek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Violin Channel
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Influential conductor not only in Prague, shaping their radio orchestra from 1985 to 2011, regarded as the Prague Leonard Bernstein. The article was poor but so is the Czech one. There's still room for more detail, if someone has the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added a bit more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Support article looks good to me and might be ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:01, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 04:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gil Won-ok

Article: Gil Won-ok (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Korea Times MK
Credits:

Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Korean activist TNM101 (chat) 07:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Well-referenced and is detailed. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Citations throughout and good enough. Even better would be to sort out chronological order in the "Activist work" section. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Meets the threshold needed per above. Marking ready. Flip^and Flopped ツ 22:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: , pinging because the article is ready. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 03:56, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Viktor Antonov

Article: Viktor Antonov (art director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IGN PC Gamer
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Leetchr (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Video game art designer. Curbon7 (talk) 03:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, far too short. History6042😊 (Contact me) 09:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article's length, sourcing, and overall quality are not sufficient enough to warrant a blurb. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Too stubby with only 162 words of prose. Sourcing for what is present is inadequate. Please expand the wikibio and add more REFs. Time is running out for this nom. --PFHLai (talk) 04:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kim Sae-ron

Article: Kim Sae-ron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [30]
Credits:

Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Angga (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: South Korean television and film actress.

Soft oppose - Prose looks good at a glance, but some citations needed for awards. ForsythiaJo (talk) 01:14, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Kim is a prominent South Korean actress and her death is being talked about in multiple prominent news sources. NewishIdeas (talk) 02:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Curbon7 (talk) 03:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you NewishIdeas (talk) 03:41, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are five "citation needed" tags. Schwede 66 02:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed...three. I don't know how else I can cite both of the MBC Entertainment Awards noms. –Angga (formerly Angga1061) 08:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On that note, maybe I can just refer to links of pictures from the press of her appearances in both (since technically these award shows will always invite their nominees; that is, those who work for the stations)? –Angga (formerly Angga1061) 10:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted – it's now acceptable, but don't let that stop anyone from resolving the last two cn tags. Schwede 66 23:50, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed...the remaining CN issues – as per my suggestions. –Angga (formerly Angga1061) 07:01, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) British Academy Film Awards

Article: 78th British Academy Film Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  At the British Academy Film Awards, Conclave (director Edward Berger pictured) wins four awards including Best Film. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
Updated by Klaw135 (talk · give credit) and Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Updated. Note that Berger did not win best director, but as the main creative did receive the Outstanding British Film award - the blurb could be amended re. describing his photo. Kingsif (talk) 21:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article looks well cited, the same quality as 77th British Academy Film Awards. Moraljaya67 (talk) 07:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'm pleased to see this has actual prose about the ceremony and winners, not just a big table. This is ITNR and the quality is sufficient to post. Modest Genius ^talk 12:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per Modest Genius ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support No objections. ArionStar (talk) 16:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is ready and ITNR. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: , pinging because the article is ready. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No rush; Mahamoud Ali Youssouf was posted right now. ArionStar (talk) 01:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 01:11, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Image comment It would be undue to display Berger. He didn't win Best Director, and Best Film goes to producers and not directors. ~~Screenwiter Peter Straughan for Best Adapted Screenplay might be a better option, but its not one of the more prominent awards.~~—Bagumba (talk) 04:05, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No pictures for screenwriter or producers though. Berger did win for Outstanding British Film, and we try and picture the blurb if we can. Step hen 05:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
we try and picture the blurb if we can: Agree, but using the director, in this case, is a stretch and somewhat misleading.—Bagumba (talk) 05:24, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that for the 91st Academy Awards (2019), we also added the films with the most awards to the blurb.[31] That could allow The Brutalist winners Adrien Brody (actor) or Brady Corbet (director) to be pictured. —Bagumba (talk) 06:09, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael O'Sullivan (jockey)

Article: Michael O'Sullivan (jockey) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [32]
Credits:

Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish jockey who died due to a fall. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - quality looks good ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 22:20, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Died age 24. Citations throughout (14 sources listed under References from 2020–present) and 2011 characters of prose. Looks fine. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:51, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ready for RD. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: , pinging because the article is ready. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 03:52, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Half marathon world record

Article: Jacob Kiplimo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Jacob Kiplimo sets the current world record for the half marathon at 56 minutes and 42 seconds. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Jacob Kiplimo sets the world record at the Barcelona Half Marathon, finishing in 56 minutes and 42 seconds.
Alternative blurb II:  In athletics, Jacob Kiplimo sets the world record in half marathon, finishing the Barcelona Half Marathon in 56 minutes and 42 seconds.
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Nominated by Clovermoss (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I've never tried to do ITN before but I noticed this achievement in the news and it seems to meet the criteria. It seemed better to ask than to do nothing. Clovermoss🍀 (talk)

Support Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits
Support - Thanks for the add Clovermoss. I’ve added an altblurb that reflects the style we typically use for events. I think Kiplimo’s article looks good and new world records are typically notable. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 19:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added an alt2 that doesn't kinda sound like he just set that event's record. Kingsif (talk) 00:28, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Combine with the new racewalking world record for men's 20km. The page that has them both and other athletics world records is List of world records in athletics. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support alt2. Half marathon isn't the most impactful record to set, and the update in the article says nothing more than the blurb does, but I suppose there isn't much more detail to give. The rest of his article is of sufficient quality to post. Modest Genius ^talk 21:01, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Half marathon doesn't have the interest the marathon does. Doesn't feel significant enough for the front page. Thriley (talk) 21:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pretty significant accomplishment with widespread coverage in RS. Diversity of topics is important, and this is a significant milestone in athletics. ITN doesn't just have to be tragic events and ITNR election/event updates. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support alt1 This will probably get broken in a few years like they mostly do, but still pretty significant TheHiddenCity (talk) 00:09, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Half marathons attract much less attention than marathons. A world record is not a free pass to ITN notability (if they were, it would be ITN/R) and I don't think this one is significant enough. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:14, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. I'm not exactly convinced we need we need to post HALF marathon world records. Yes, it's a discipline that exists, but it's not nearly as notable a milestone as a WR for a full marathon. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Six total support votes (two weak, one for combined blurb) and three oppose votes (one weak). Could wait for more votes to see if there will be a clearer consensus, but discussion is becoming stale. Quality seems fine, so tagging as decision needed on notability and pinging @Admins willing to post ITN: for your awareness. Cheers all and thanks, Flip^and Flopped ツ 02:44, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Flipandflopped. As per WP:ITNCDONT, I shall disregard Nedia's vote. Without that, I don't think consensus is clear. Let's leave it open; maybe other editors will chime in. I certainly would not combine this with the other record nominated further down as that particular target article isn't up to scratch. Schwede 66 07:54, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, sorry. I will keep that in mind Nedia Wanna talk? Stalk my edits 19:04, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can always amend your post, or post something with a rationale now, Nedia020415. Schwede 66 23:43, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Combine and Support per Andrew. A combined blurb along with the racewalk, would reduce the amount of space occupied by it on the main page. Article doesn't have any quality concerns TNM101 (chat) 08:27, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean, TNM101? The target article for the racewalk is Toshikazu Yamanishi, which is a stub. And we don’t post stubs. Schwede 66 18:31, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I said per Andrew, and he said that the article that lists both the records is List of world records in athletics, and it shouldn't be a problem to target the link to that article TNM101 (chat) 11:06, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Thanks! Schwede 66 10:06, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Pawnkingthree and DarkSide. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:07, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Flash flooding in United States

Portal:Current events/2025 February 15

WP:SNOW close, consensus to post will not develop. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: February 2025 United States floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Flash flooding impacts parts of the United States, claiming at least 8 lives in Kentucky. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN, FOX Weather, AP, WLWT5
Credits:

Nominated by Kentuckian (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article is no longer a stub and has been updated. Please read the article before casting a vote. Kentuckian |💬 17:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on notability Floods occur all over the world and with three victims these, although unfortunate, are not ITN-worthy for now. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Alsor. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose conditionally way too stubby. Support otherwise but it's prolly best to wait for a greater impact. — Knightoftheswords 17:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Lots of snow followed by warm weather during this time of year always brings floods. Not a significant event considering how many people die by seasonal flooding around the world every year. --Masem (t) 17:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article isn't in a good state right now, and also per Masem. TheHiddenCity (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Certainly a wild storm in a series of wild storms, but not really of enduring notability. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in terms of quality. The article needs to have information in order to have support. Rager7 (talk) 17:47, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality and Weak Oppose on notability. BTW the name is now February 2025 North American storm complex. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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New racewalking world record for men's 20km

Article: Toshikazu Yamanishi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In men's 20 kilometres race walk, Toshikazu Yamanishi (pictured) breaks a 10-year-old world record with a time of 1:16:10. (Post)
News source(s): World Athletics
Credits:

Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: The article needs significant updates. UCinternational (talk) 05:37, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not Ready. Article is a stub and is nowhere near ready. Per nom, it will need some work. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: it is pointless to nominate a four-sentence stub. There's nothing for us to assess. Write an actual article first, before asking ITN/C to consider posting it. Modest Genius ^talk 15:58, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Three days later, the only improvement to the article is the addition of a single space. Modest Genius ^talk 13:50, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, this is way to short to even be considered. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Stub. ArionStar (talk) 17:25, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality; weak oppose on notability Can reassess notability if actual coverage in global RS is updated either in the nomination or article itself. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:56, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Combine with the half marathon world record. The page that has them both and other athletics world records is List of world records in athletics. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:40, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Myanmar civil war

No consensus to post to ongoing. Step hen 01:03, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Myanmar civil war (2021-present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominated by TurboSuperA+ (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is ready for inclusion into the list. If I did this the wrong way, please tell me, I didn't know where else to request this. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 15:37, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I am not seeing the near daily type of significant news and updates that would make this appropriate to be in ongoing. --Masem (t) 16:13, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, the article isn't getting major updates. Also, you nominated a redirect, I would suggest changing it to the target article. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When I click on the link (or hover over it) I get to the wikipedia article, I don't see a redirect. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 19:43, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TurboSuperA+ I've fixed it for you TNM101 (chat) 17:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 19:42, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: No major updates. MT₍₇₁₀₎ 17:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article isn't receiving the updates necessary for ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support I think this conflict needs more attention, but it's being nominated at a pretty bad time with few offensives currently ongoing. --Spec tral Ion 20:04, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's articles and updates on the war every week, e.g. [33]. I was hoping that mentioning it on the front page might encourage editors to update it more frequently.

How many people even know about the civil war going on over there? Wars in Gaza and Ukraine dominate the headlines/attention, but Wikipedia is a global project and the front page shouldn't only cover things that might be of interest in the West. TurboSuperA+ (☏) 20:25, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's articles and updates on the war every week

Yes, in news sources. They're not being added to the linked article, though, therefore the article isn't eligible for ongoing.

I was hoping that mentioning it on the front page might encourage editors to update it more frequently.

That's not how ITN works. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:29, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

🫡 TurboSuperA+ (☏) 20:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There hasn't been daily updates. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 15

February 15, 2025 (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Bukavu offensive
    - Mass looting and sporadic gunfire is reported in Bukavu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, as M23 rebels advance into the city. Mobs loot several facilities, including a World Food Programme depot. (BBC News)
    - The Congolese military withdraws from Bukavu heading south towards Tanganyika Province. (AP)
- Ituri conflict
  - General Muhoozi Kainerugaba, Chief of the Ugandan military, claiming to act with the authority of his father, President Yoweri Museveni, threatens to invade the Democratic Republic of the Congo and take control of Bunia, the capital of Ituri Province, unless local forces surrender their weapons within 24 hours. Kainerugaba alleges that the Hema people are being killed. (Reuters)
Gaza war
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire
  - Hamas releases three Israeli hostages in exchange for the Israeli government releasing 369 Palestinian prisoners, most without criminal charges or convictions, as part of the first stage of the 2025 ceasefire. (Al Jazeera) (AP)
2025 Munich car attack
- A 37-year-old woman and her two-year-old child die as a result of injuries sustained in a vehicle-ramming attack in Munich, Germany, on Thursday. (Stern)
2025 Villach stabbing attack
- A 14-year-old boy is killed and five other people are injured in a mass stabbing on a street in Villach, Carinthia, Austria. A 23-year-old man, an Islamic State member, is arrested. (AP) (DW)

Business and economy

Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict
- Congolese Foreign Minister Thérèse Kayikwamba Wagner calls on Western sporting firms such as the National Basketball Association, Formula One, and Arsenal F.C. to cut sponsorship deals with Rwanda amid the conflict in Kivu. (ESPN)

Disasters and accidents

2025 New Delhi railway station stampede
- A crowd crush kills at least 18 people, including three children, and injures ten others at New Delhi railway station in New Delhi, India. (BBC News) (CNN) (Al Jazeera)
At least 49 people are killed and several others are injured when a gold mine collapses in Kéniéba, Mali. (AP) (Bloomberg)

International relations

Russia–United States relations
- Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio speak by telephone about the Russo-Ukrainian War, the Gaza war, the sanctions against Russia, and removing restrictions on each country's diplomatic missions. They also discuss preparations for a high-level summit in Saudi Arabia. This is the first time the U.S. and Russia had contact at the foreign minister level in almost two years. (Financial Times)
South Africa–United States relations
- Hundreds of White South Africans hold a protest outside the U.S. embassy in Pretoria, South Africa, in support of U.S. President Donald Trump's claims that the South African government is discriminating against the country's white minority. (AP)
Weimar+
- French President Emmanuel Macron announces an emergency summit in Paris, France, between European leaders following a controversial speech given by U.S. Vice President JD Vance at the Munich Security Conference in which he criticized European leadership as the worst threat to Europe, particularly for imposing too much censorship and too little control over migration. (Ukrinform) (BBC News) (Voice of America)

Law and crime

2025 Beirut attack on UN convoy
- The Lebanese Armed Forces arrest over 25 people on suspicion of attacking a UNIFIL convoy and United Nations peacekeepers near Rafic Hariri International Airport in Beirut. (Al Jazeera)
Muhsin Hendricks, the first openly gay imam, is assassinated by two unidentified assailants while driving near Gqeberha, South Africa. (CTV News) (BBC News)
A man is shot dead at the Clemenceau metro station in Brussels, Belgium. The shooting is connected to the ongoing drug war in the city since the start of the year, which has already killed another person and wounded three more. (The Brussels Time)

Politics and elections

2025 African Union Commission Chairperson election
- Government leaders of the member states of the African Union elect Djiboutian foreign minister Mahamoud Ali Youssouf as the organization's chairperson, succeeding Chadian Moussa Faki. (AP) (Reuters)

(Posted) RD: Gerhart Baum

Article: Gerhart Baum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Qaswa (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician and Federal Minister of the Interior Grimes2 (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article's sourcing, length, and general quality looks to be good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 05:32, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, oppose on length Stub QalasQalas (talk) 05:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
3957 characters (632 words) "readable prose size", Start class Grimes2 (talk) 11:29, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Great! QalasQalas (talk) 11:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 01:48, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Muhsin Hendricks

Article: Muhsin Hendricks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): barrons
Credits:

Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World's first openly gay imam. Was murdered on this date. Article is a GA so it might be good to post soon. Onegreatjoke (talk) 07:09, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, good quality article and a notable person. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - good to go ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:51, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per reasons stated above. –GnocchiFan (talk) 15:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 15:36, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barry Urban

Article: Barry Urban (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News The West Australian WAtoday
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Steelkamp (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian politician. Steelkamp (talk) 02:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, well updated and sourced article. Yeshivish613 (talk) 03:07, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - seeing no issues here ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Ready to go. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:16, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 00:48, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Chairperson of African Union

Articles: Mahamoud Ali Youssouf (talk · history · tag) and Chairperson of the African Union Commission (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Mahamoud Ali Youssouf has been elected Chairperson of the African Union Commission (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Djiboutian diplomat Mahamoud Ali Youssouf won Chairperson of African Union
Alternative blurb II:  Former foreign minister of Djibouti Mahamoud Ali Youssouf elected as Chairperson of the African Union Commission
Alternative blurb III:  Mahamoud Ali Youssouf (pictured) is elected the new Chairman of the African Union Commission
News source(s): AP Reuters
Credits:

Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: If Ursula von der Leyen election nominated before then AU chairperson deserve ITN QalasQalas (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the argument you use is totally wrong. There are many differences between the EU and the African Union: in the latter there is neither a single market nor a common currency, nor is there interdependence and the need for common harmonization of laws for the member countries, nor is there political cohesion, nor do the institutions have supranational power like the European ones, among many other differences. That said, I believe that the election of the president of the AU commission may deserve ITN's attention for its representative role at the international and diplomatic level of the continent. I have added a more grammatically correct altblurb and more in line with ITN's MOS. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it sounding excessively egoistic!! Because proving AU value to be better and more important by EU due to popularity and wealth. and without contempt aren't both equivalent? QalasQalas (talk) 19:41, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The AU is moreso akin to a regional United Nations, similar to the Organization of American States, the Pacific Islands Forum, or the Council of Europe; the EU is a supranational union sharing a common currency, borders (via the Schengen Area), regulations, an elected continental parliament, and so on, almost like a super-state. That's not "egotistic" or "popularity and wealth," that's just factual. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is completely wrong. The AU is a supranational union akin to the EU. It has a free trade area, a parliament, and plans to have a continental customs union (having set up regional ones), a common market like the EEC, and a monetary union. See Agenda 2063. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kowal2701, both the monetary union and the customs union are planned, not actual things put in place akin to the EU. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 21:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This. It has ambitions of being EU-like but it's quite far away from actually being there. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:23, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that far away, and has institutions the EU doesn't yet, like peacekeeping. It's still a major player on the international stage. Is the EU the only continental bloc we've historically posted? Really surprised we've never posted this, given how important continental blocs are becoming Kowal2701 (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If this is posted, alt III should be used. However, parts of the article currently lack citations – this would have to be resolved before posting. Toadspike [Talk] 19:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
fix it thanks Y QalasQalas (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided on notability, but oppose on quality - both Youssouf's article and the Chairperson article are woefully short and under-cited. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, posting the EU equivalent and not this would be a double standard. Quality is very poor atm Kowal2701 (talk) 20:39, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also support but contest the idea that this is a double standard - the EU Commission President oversees the second-largest integrated economy in the world and has massive leverage over EU capitals. The AU Commission, though undoubtedly important enough to be considered a "change of head of government", has no such power This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality. Yakikaki (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, oppose on quality In its current state, the article is not ready for ITN --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:25, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Needs work The comparison we should make is not with the EU but microstate elections like Liechtenstein, which we are currently blurbing. But the articles I've looked at, such as 2025 African Union Commission Chairperson election, are not ready. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until quality issues are fixed (in particular the article on the Chairperson themself, but the articles on Youssouf and the elections could use some work), then support alt blurb 3. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:58, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral on notability, strong oppose on quality African Union is definitely not yet on the level of the EU in terms of notability. It's more comparable with OAS or ASEAN, whose changes in secretaries-general have never even received an ITN nomination yet—maybe they should, but that's for another time. What really needs attention is that both the Chairperson of the African Union Commission and the 2025 African Union Commission Chairperson election articles are mostly just lists and tables, and Mahamoud Ali Youssouf's is still marked a stub plus has an entire section with no citations. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:21, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb3 on notability. However, I want to also comment that the EU and AU are not equal in nature despite the similar names; the EU is far more integrated and quasi-federal than the AU will be any time soon. That does not mean that the AU is not largely influential/notability, just that a "double standard" does not exist. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, ITN is just only Western the rest of World is just DNE. QalasQalas (talk) 17:45, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Youssouf’s article and the Chairperson article are in better shape but the election article is still very poor, I’m going to try to add more about the debates. I think the Chairperson one is okay quality-wise, but struggling to improve Youssouf’s one further if anyone can help out

Kowal2701 (talk) 22:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciated man QalasQalas (talk) 23:11, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, Wait on quality per above. --Spec tral Ion 01:37, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support due to the quality. ArionStar (talk) 16:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thoughts on quality now? Not sure it can be improved much further given the sourcing issues

Kowal2701 (talk) 21:08, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Think its okay when compared to articles like UN Secretary General. At least not embarrassing to have on the main page I hope. Kowal2701 (talk) 21:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support altblurb3 per Nice4what, who sums it up nicely. I think the quality concerns are now rectified per Kowal2701; both potential target articles are more expansive and well-sourced for example than the currently bolded and pictured Ilie Bolojan. Also, many of our current blurbs are pretty stale and involve week(s)-old news, so getting this up promptly seems prudent. I see a rough consensus on notability - @Admins willing to post ITN: maybe there is one among you who agrees with the quality assessment and might be willing to post. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:35, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 00:57, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Great QalasQalas (talk) 01:30, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks everyone Kowal2701 (talk) 08:08, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 14

Portal:Current events/2025 February 14

February 14, 2025 (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign, Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict
  - 2025 Bukavu offensive
    - M23 rebels and Rwandan troops seize control of Kavumu Airport in South Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (DW)
    - M23 forces and Rwandan troops enter the city of Bukavu, according to local security and humanitarian officials. There are no reports of resistance as most Congolese troops withdraw. (Digital Journal)
    - Congolese president Félix Tshisekedi cancels his participation in an upcoming African Union summit to end the conflict due to the "situation on the ground". Tshisekedi accuses Rwanda of invading the country to seize its mineral-rich regions. (RFI)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike
  - A drone strikes the New Safe Confinement structure housing the site of the Chernobyl disaster. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy states that a Russian combat drone caused significant damage to the structure, but did not produce an increase in external radiation levels. (CNN)
Insurgency in Balochistan
- Eleven coal miners are killed and five others are wounded when a bomb hits a truck in Harnai, Balochistan, Pakistan. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

At least six people are killed and seven injured in a fire at a construction site in Busan, South Korea. (Al Jazeera)
Ten people are killed and 19 others are injured in a collision between a car and a bus carrying Hindu pilgrims heading to Kumbh Mela in Prayagraj, Uttar Pradesh, India. (DW)
A shop explosion and fire in Oudomxay province, Laos, kills four people and injures others. (Radio Free Asia)

(Posted) RD: Kevyn Major Howard

Article: Kevyn Major Howard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ
Credits:

Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
Created by Kenwork (talk · give credit)
Updated by 2600:1700:1b2a:e4b0:b88e:bf5b:38e5:595b (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian actor. Article is not ready yet but I'll work on it. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is a bit short but the sources seem fine. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:09, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 22:00, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Associate Press excluded from Oval Office over Gulf of Mexico naming dispute

Consensus to post will not develop. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Gulf of Mexico (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  U.S. president Donald Trump revokes Associated Press access to the Oval Office in response to the news organization's continued use of the name "Gulf of Mexico" instead of "Gulf of America". (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/media/white-house-ap-ban-air-force-one-oval-office-gulf-of-mexico/index.html
Credits:

Nominated by Ironic sensibilities (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: It's possible the target article should be Associated Press, but I think Gulf of Mexico is the better choice Ironic (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose fail to see how this is significant enough to post to ITN. Scuba 15:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and snow close trivial and not ITN-worthy. Good faith nom. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I perceive that there is some need for ITN to address whatever we want to call recent events in the US Federal Government (hereafter referred to as "antics"). I also acknowledge some difficulty in deciding which of the antics are most appropriate to cover. Yesterday's retaliatory exclusion of an internationally important news agency from the Oval Office and Air Force One is being reported globally and could possibly offer a relatively uncontroversial angle on the antics that ITN has so far been ignoring. Ironic (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not the first, and won't be the last. – robertsky (talk) 14:08, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These links are reporting exclusion of specific reporters from specific events, not indefinite exclusion of an entire internationally significant news agency. Not the same. Ironic (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Per Robertsky. E_F⁵ 14:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are far more worse things going on involving the Trump presidency that are seemingly leading to a constitutional crisis, this is but one drop in the bucket. While there is a potential for a ongoing on all that, things are moving too fast, with many legal challenges, to have a decent quality article about it at this point. Masem (t) 14:35, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is exactly the difficulty I was trying to address with this proposal. Perfect is the enemy of the good.

I won't bludgeon with any further response on this submission unless I am pinged for further comment. Ironic (talk) 14:51, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike

Consensus that this should not be posted unless further developments occur. Sam Walton (talk) 20:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant drone strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A drone strike hits the New Safe Confinement structure at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Volodymyr Zelenskyy alleges that a Russian drone strike causes damage to the New Safe Confinement structure at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant.
News source(s): NYT, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Relatively major incident in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, indicating that talks of a ceasefire agreement may be deteriorating. The alleged destabilization of the radiation shield, per Reuters and Zelensky, also seems quite notable. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now - As of the last report that I’ve read, no deaths, injuries, radiation levels are normal, and the only lasting impact of this besides potential radiation release is a dissolution of the ceasefire, which I don’t see being confirmed yet from agencies (WP:SYNTH). E_F⁵ 19:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here’s a reliable source for the “normal radiation levels” reasoning, since I’m fully aware it’ll be questioned. E_F⁵ 19:54, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Barring any immediate concerns for a runaway reaction and disaster, this would be covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 19:53, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm actually surprised that there is a stand-alone article for this and not just an update to the Chernobyl article. --Torsodog^Talk 19:59, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per MtPenguinMonster. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-closing comments

Russian Federation attacked strike drones sarcophagus of the 4th reactor of the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, as a result of which the outer and inner layers of the shelter facility were significantly destroyed, fire extinguishing and control measures are underway in terms of the level of radiation contamination (February 14)

I don't understand why the Flip nomination was ignored, because it was the first ever combat attack from the air on a nuclear power plant, and an emergency plant, and the opponents of the nomination don't understand the meaning of what happened at all. The integrity of both layers of the 50 sq m shelter facility was destroyed, which was built over 20 years by the efforts of dozens of countries to replace the old radioactive shelter, which already posed a threat to the world in the 1990s, a new shelter can be built in peacetime for at least 10 years, and the old one has long been unreliable, of course, the official authorities' statements are aimed at reassuring the public. However, for a large-scale radiation leak, even one more blow may not be needed - there is enough precipitation, and it is falling every day now, firefighters and repairmen are working in dangerous conditions for themselves, but they will not eliminate the hole, but only localize the problem

TSN
RBC-Ukraine
Kyiv Independent
TSN
BBC News
RBC-Ukraine
WFXRtv
WFXG
The New Voice of Ukraine
Associated Press
Le Monde
Oman Observer
Euro News
Japan Times
Censor.NET
IEU Monitoring
France24
Instagram .--Yasnodark (talk) 14:39, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I continue to oppose. Radiation levels are still normal, which is literally the only significant part of this. If it “breaks down the plans of ending the war”, we can reconsider, but that hasn’t happened yet as of my last check. Several sources you gave were unreliable, by the way. E_F⁵ 15:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Russia commits war crimes every day, but such an attack has never happened in history. I'm afraid you don't understand what radiation is and what nuclear incidents are and informing the population during them. The normal level of radiation is 12-40 roentgens, and the radiation level under the old sarcophagus is up to 20 thousand roentgens, the integrity of the new sarcophagus that was built for 20 years has been violated and there are no obstacles...--Yasnodark (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize that official testing of radiation levels post-strike have revealed acceptable levels, right? Chernobyl has a secondary shield, if I remember correctly. If anything, all this strike did was make the public paranoid. I’m fully aware of what radiation is and what it can do, and this event just isn’t significant enough to be featured, sorry. E_F⁵ 16:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that Russia commits war crimes every day, and this particular strike was incredibly reckless and irresponsible, even by its own medieval standards. But the radiation levels are not dangerous. It may cost millions of dollars to fix but, compared with the cost of repairing all other damage already inflicted on Ukraine, perhaps a tiny percentage. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Yasnodark, please format your nomination in accordance with the ITN format TNM101 (chat) 15:30, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone ahead and given names to all the external links, since it was becoming a bit of an eyesore TNM101 (chat) 15:37, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
TNM101 Thank you, but could you make the top part in the format, because there are problems with the internet?-Yasnodark (talk) 15:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reluctant oppose as per my comment above. A very lucky escape, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You think we should only post bad news? Andrew🐉(talk) 21:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This could have been very, very bad news. The fact that it wasn't, makes it somewhat less notable, I think. And no. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should understand that this shield, which was supposed to last for generations, now has a huge hole in it of 540 square feet. The NYT explains, "Oleksandr Tytarchuk, the chief engineer at the plant, said his team and other specialists plan to do a “preliminary analysis and temporarily seal the opening” to prevent more moisture from entering the structure, which can speed corrosion. But this would not be a radiation-proof seal, meaning the shell would no longer serve the function it had before the strike. ... Workers will then have to figure out a more permanent solution — one that didn’t appear obvious on Friday afternoon.". This is still not good news. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is clearly damaged and there are concerns of either radiation release, radioactive waste release, hydrogen gas buildup, etc. all associated with nuclear systems. But at the current time, there's no indication of any immediate concerns of a bad situation immediately arising. Masem (t) 02:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support This seems quite a significant structure. The NYT explains that "completed in 2019, built with the help of 45 countries to make sure that a nuclear accident like the one that occurred in 1986 would not happen here again ... at about 40,000 tons, is the largest movable structure ever built". We don't need to wait until it's actually breached. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Should I close the nomination above this one and keep this open? TNM101 (chat) 11:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your user page says that you're a relatively new editor. So, you shouldn't be closing discussions here, please. If people want to comment then please leave the discussions open so that they can do so. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:59, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that the discussions are usually closed and then outside the closure box there are new comments. Well, if it isn't so, thanks for the heads up. Other than that, I've been here for around 9 months, so not really a new editor I guess but I'll remove that from my user page TNM101 (chat) 15:13, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the integrity of both shells of the new shelter has already been significantly violated, the hole cannot be closed, because when it was built, it was built remotely due to extremely high radiation levels. These levels are still preserved above the old shelter, if it really still exists, because according to another version, it was dismantled by workers after the construction of the new one, there is a certain contradiction here. But most sources speak of the existence of an old ultra-radioactive shelter, built almost 40 years ago at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives of liquidators.

This is the first case of nuclear air terrorism in the world and in history, and this will radically change relations in the world of nuclear relations if there is no reaction from the world. Just as there was no reaction to the seizure of the Zaporizhzhia NPP or the explosion of the Kakhovka HPP, which resulted in the death of over a million organisms and probably hundreds or even thousands of people on the occupied left bank.

The fire still cannot be extinguished even by the shelter, repairs are possible only at the cost of the lives of new liquidators, only the long-outdated one probably holds back 20 thousand roentgens, but the shelter itself is super-radioactive and by normal level we mean that the super-high level of radiation is still maintained at the previous level, but nothing is holding it back at the moment, because the shelter is not intact. Fire, snow and frost only make everything worse.

As for official reports, you can look at the same reports about Chelyabinsk, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl or Fukushima, everything was fine everywhere until it became completely bad. However, all previous cases were not the consequences of external attacks on the reactor, the first time this happened during the capture of Energodar in 2022. However, there is a completely different level of protection there and the attack was of a different nature.

My mother was going to Kyiv in early May and was surprised why there were so few people on the train. Because the official reports were just as good and everything was fine. And Chernobyl was burning and people were dying...

Now the zone is a unique reserve, and most likely it will be infected again, although possibly without risk to the capital. IF of course there are no new attacks. However, the reserve will be lost. And this is very likely. Just as dozens of reserves in the east and south were reduced

Tens of thousands of dolphins died in the Black Sea only in the first months of aggression https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373104/ and this is of course also unimportant. Similarly, the unimportant news was the seizure of Manchuria by Japan, Ethiopia by Italy, the Saar by Germany, the Anschluss of Austria, and then the time came for the wonderful Munich Agreement, someone here fears a new Munich Agreement, but I will say that pray that there will be no truce desired by the whole world at the expense of Ukraine, because you can consider world-class events as unimportant incidents only until a nuclear mushroom blooms next to you. Good luck in waiting for peace, keep your fingers crossed for a new Munich conspiracy and ignore the facts, flying in the clouds if you are sad without war on the doorstep...

None of the news presented today:

The Baltic states complete synchronization of their power grids with continental Europe's (map pictured), disconnecting from Russia's.
The ruling Vetëvendosje party, led by Albin Kurti, wins the most seats in the Assembly of Kosovo.
The Patriotic Union, led by Brigitte Haas, wins the most seats in the Landtag of Liechtenstein.
In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl.
Former president of Namibia Sam Nujoma dies at the age of 95.

, and even the first one, has global significance compared to the one proposed here, none of them carries such risks as this and will not have a similar impact on the future of humanity, because nuclear safety and the precedent of nuclear terrorism are unprecedented. And those 4 bottom news items are regional in nature without any impact.

And the fact that the news should be good... I haven't heard that for a long time, the last time was when I read Joe Haldeman's memoirs after a visit to the USSR and Kyiv in particular in the 1980s. I recommend reading it - it gave me a sense of nostalgia, and here it is again.

I hardly have anything else to add, and I've already spent too much time on people who don't understand the gravity of the events, but I'll mention people from different fields of knowledge, maybe someone will be interested in speaking out : Yakudza, User:Oleksiy.golubov, User:Yukh68, Білецький В.С., Ата, Олег-літред, Yasnodark (talk) 14:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you keep assuming bad faith and assuming everybody who’s opposed is stupid? 2/3 of your reply has nothing to do with the nomination and is completely irrelevant. Radiation levels are normal, I don’t have any other way to say that more clearly. E_F⁵ 14:36, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with you, everything is normal: attacks on nuclear facilities have already happened thousands of times, sorry 0 times, the fire continues in the usual emergency mode, only 2 shells out of 2 of the only new shelter, which was built in just a couple of decades by only 45 countries, have been destroyed, repairs are possible only in other conditions and not above the reactor, but quick repairs can only take place in wartime conditions in anticipation of new attacks, only after the fire stops, only after the onset of positive temperatures and in the absence of heavy precipitation and only at the expense of the health of people who voluntarily agree to sacrifice themselves. You do not understand the situation at all and I still do not understand why this news is less important than the previous ones, which is why I gave a number of examples of news that were also considered unimportant. I appreciated the truce because my opponent mentioned it, although - the impact on a possible criminal conspiracy called a truce is the least of the world's concerns, it is ignoring the unprecedented event of nuclear terrorism and its possible consequences that is the most important thing in the event. And that is exactly what is happening here, because as my opponents pointed out to me - the news should be good...--Yasnodark (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is the situation predicted to worsen considerably? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no new attacks - an uncontrolled radiation leak is predicted with a high probability of new contamination of the Chernobyl zone with probably good forecasts for the capital if there are no deteriorations. Tomorrow the council of scientists will meet for a detailed analysis of the response to the situation. On the morning of the 14th they said that the fire was extinguished, and I didn't believe it then, and every day they said that the fire was extinguished again, today they don't say anything anymore - they say that the fire has not been extinguished yet, but they still say about the normal level of radiation, and each time they are less confident, and in the absence of new attacks, I think a certain number of volunteers will save everyone and then everything will not be very good, almost all the Russian military who dug trenches in 2022 in the zone - later died, and they were told that everything was fine with the radiation--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keyword is “predicted” not “happened”. We don’t post events till they have actually happened. E_F⁵ 15:48, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I still don’t think you understand. Radiation levels are normal. It doesn’t matter if the shells are damaged, because levels are normal. We don’t post future events like this at ITN. Research reactors in Iraq were bombed by Israel in 1981, so your assertion that this is the “first strike on a nuclear site” is a blatant falsehood. E_F⁵ 15:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure your mother on a train to Kyiv is really pertinent here. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because it was in May 1986 and she was going to Kyiv because there had been a minor incident somewhere nearby and the radiation level was also normal. She obviously believed these reports and went to work on her dissertation, having ended up in a place where it was impossible to leave. Because there were no return tickets, because everyone in Kyiv already knew, but only the chosen ones had the opportunity to leave. So she ended up living where she shouldn't. Because outside of Kyiv, it wasn't news, just a barely noticeable incident with a normal radiation level.--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't understand what is meant - it means that the radiation is just as high, no, it didn't increase from the impact, but now nothing is holding it back, if the old shelter still exists - it was old 20 years ago and it is so radioactive that it was impossible to build a new one over it, it was built separately and then moved. The fire is still going on and it will take years to build a new shelter

However, the main thing in the event is not the level of radiation, but the fact of a deliberate attack on an emergency nuclear facility with unpredictable consequences.--Yasnodark (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Yasnodark It's probably a really bad thing that has happened but sadly Wikipedia cannot run ITN like that. If ITN was just based on how bad the situation is, we would have new blurbs every day. If you see below, the nom for the bus incident in Guatemala has not yet been posted as of my posting of this comment, even after it killed a lot of people. On ITN everything must be judged based on ITNSIGNIF and ITNQUALITY. The problem here is, that EF5 has been trying to explain for a while now, is that the radiation levels are perfectly normal right now and there are no imminent threats to anyone or anything around the plant. Along with this, the only significant thing this could cause would be affecting the peace treaty. Since WP:NOTCRYSTAL, we cannot post the blurb just because there could be problems in the future. If there was a major issue such as a radiation leak that was expected to have an instant impact in the area around Chernobyl, there probably wouldn't have been any issues getting the blurb posted. Hopefully you understand now TNM101 (chat) 15:34, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comparisons are irrelevant, I explained something above. The accident in Guatemala is a typical traditional unintentional incident that has no impact on global security or the health and lives of other people and the environment. But this event has, and that's not the main thing.

The essence of the event is an unprecedented attack on a nuclear facility by a combat drone with an explosive charge. Radiation leak is a probable new event. This event consists in the destruction of the shield, which cannot be restored quickly, and in the attack itself, and in the consequences not for the health of individual people, but for the nuclear security of the world and the world order in general, in the event of non-implementation of the highest level sanctions against Russia and Rosatom.-Yasnodark (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have reliable sources that state this event is “unorecedented”, that radiation leak is probable, that this event has compromised nuclear security of the world and that sanctions will be pursued? E_F⁵ 16:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note that nothing confirms if it was an attack or not yet, it remains a claim. Masem (t) 16:03, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. This is a highly irresponsible and dangerous event, whether it was a deliberate attack or an accidental collision. Fortunately, the damage has not led to a major nuclear incident. It's possible that the situation might deteriorate, but so far the impact has been limited to accusations and speculation. Unless some major nuclear leak occurs, this isn't significant enough to post in ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 16:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per all above. Covered by ongoing, given the lack of major effects. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:47, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- - I advise you to read the statements of

"Greenpeace"

“We condemn Russia’s action and its war machine for this strike, and we call on the international community to take action – by ending Russia’s threat to Ukraine’s nuclear plants, and prosecuting the Russian government for international war crimes,” said Shaun Burnie from Greenpeace Ukraine.

“With this outrageous attack, Russia is escalating its war against Ukraine to a new level. It proves that there are no limits to Putin’s aggression and the Russian government is willing to put the Ukrainian and European population at risk. This could be the final wake-up call to the international community to urgently send more support to Ukraine to protect its critical infrastructure, including its highly vulnerable operating nuclear power plants,” said Jan Vande Putte, nuclear expert at Greenpeace Ukraine.

I find it very funny to hear all this, any Russian attack is just as random as ISIS or Hamas attack, if anyone doubts the unprecedentedness of the event, let them find similar cases in history and give these examples.--Yasnodark (talk) 15:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Geraldine Thompson

Article: Geraldine Thompson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FOX 35 Orlando, AP
Credits:

Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Florida state Senator Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 14:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose on quality for now~~ Article has a big uncited paragraph in the Career section and the article does not even have a sentence mentioning her death. If this is fixed, please let me know and I will change my vote to support. (Side note: I added a level-four header to the nomination) TNM101 (chat) 15:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TNM101 updated that paragraph with citations and created a separate section for death. It was in the life and career section before Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my vote to support per above TNM101 (chat) 04:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks sufficiently sourced and meets length standards. --Engineerchange (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 21:26, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 15:40, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 13

Portal:Current events/2025 February 13

February 13, 2025 (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- Kasanga massacre
  - Militants from an IS–Central Africa-aligned faction of the Allied Democratic Forces enter the village of Mayba in Lubero Territory, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, abducting and beheading at least 70 Christian civilians. (Genocide Watch)
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Bukavu offensive
    - M23 rebels capture Kalehe Territory and Ihusi, Democratic Republic of the Congo, leading to several civilian casualties and the mass evacuation of residents. (BBC Gahuza)
War against the Islamic State
- Islamic State insurgency in Puntland
  - Puntland counter-terrorism operations
    - More than thirty IS–Somalia fighters are killed in airstrikes on positions in the Sheebaab area of the Cal Miskaad mountains in northern Bari Region, Puntland, Somalia. (Hiiraan Online) (Anadolu Agency)
Gaza war
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire, Gaza war hostage crisis
  - Hamas says it will resume the release of hostages according to the terms of the ceasefire and hostage release deal with Israel. (CBS News)
2025 Munich car attack
- At least 28 people are injured by a vehicle-ramming attack during a demonstration by the ver.di trade union in Munich, Germany. Police arrest the vehicle's driver, a 24-year-old man, at the scene on suspicion of Islamic terrorism. (Sky News) (New Arab) (PBS)

Business and economy

German economic crisis
- German automotive manufacturer Porsche announces it will cut 2,000 jobs over the next five years, reducing its workforce by 15%, primarily affecting its assembly plants in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen and Weissach in Baden-Wurttemberg. (DW)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Taichung Shin Kong Mitsukoshi gas explosion
- Four people are killed and thirty-two others are injured by a gas explosion at a Shin Kong Mitsukoshi department store in Taichung, Taiwan. (Central News Agency)
At least 21 people are injured, including 10 seriously, in a fire inside of a costume factory in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. (Bangladesh Sangbad Sangstha)
Three people are dead and 114 others fall ill, including two in critical condition, after a gastroenteritis outbreak at four hospices in Florence, Italy. (Ansa)
At least one person is killed and three others are injured by an explosion at the Ministry of Urban Development and Housing compound in Kabul, Afghanistan. The Taliban government alleges that it was a suicide attack, while no party has claimed responsibility. (DW)
The US Navy Sixth Fleet announces that the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman was involved in a collision at sea with the merchant vessel Besiktas-M on February 12 while operating in the vicinity of Port Said, Egypt, in the Mediterranean Sea. (U.S. Sixth Fleet Public Affairs)
24 people are killed and 30 others are injured when a bus and truck crashed into eachover in Beitbridge, Zimbabwe. ^[3]

International relations

International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli leaders
- The United States Treasury Department sanctions Karim Ahmad Khan, the top prosecutor at the International Criminal Court, over his decision to investigate Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant regarding their conduct during the Gaza war. (U.S. Treasury Department)

Law and crime

Investigations into the Eric Adams administration
- Acting U.S. Attorney Danielle Sassoon and five other U.S. Justice Department officials resign after being ordered by the second Trump administration to drop a federal corruption case against New York City Mayor Eric Adams. (CNN)
The Royal Thai Army announces that 260 foreigners have been rescued from online scam centers in Myanmar near the two countries' border, where they were trafficked to and forced to work in. (AP)
A van carrying members of the Union of Indigenous Communities of the Isthmus Region is ambushed near Río del Sol, in the limits of the municipalities of Santo Domingo Petapa and San Juan Mazatlán, leaving three local activists dead. The attack happened during the escalation of a local agrarian conflict. (Revista Proceso)

Politics and elections

Second cabinet of Donald Trump
- Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is confirmed as the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services by a Senate vote of 52–48. (NPR)

RD: David E. Sellers

Article: David E. Sellers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Valley Reporter
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American architect, based in Vermont. Major figure in the design/build movement. Obit published 13 February. Thriley (talk) 20:34, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, there are 12 CN tags, there seems to be a COI issue, and there also seems to be way to many images. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:16, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wally Gabler

Article: Wally Gabler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Detroit News, The Albertan
Credits:

Nominated by Cbl62 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian football quarterback (1966-1972) Cbl62

Support - looks good ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 21:57, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sukri Bommagowda

Article: Sukri Bommagowda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times The Hans India
Credits:

Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit) and Julius Barclay (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian folk singer TNM101 (chat) 04:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I think it looks just long enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:53, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Taichung department store explosion

No consensus to post. Step hen 00:40, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Taichung Shin Kong Mitsukoshi gas explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A gas explosion (pictured) inside of a Shin Kong Mitsukoshi department store in Taichung, Taiwan, kills 4 people and injures 39 others. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, New York Times, Reuters
Credits:

Nominated by SpectralIon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Surprised no one has nominated this yet, it's been 12 hours. Spec tral Ion 03:49, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability Pretty rare for a store to explode like that. Multiple news orgs are covering this, so passes the notability bar in my opinion. Although, I would like to see the article just a bit longer in length. TNM101 (chat) 04:18, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose a tragic accident of no lasting encyclopaedic relevance. Step hen 06:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Stephen: Has there been any discussion about raising the bar for inclusion for disasters/mass casualties events? As I can't find any in the archives. A common criticism of ITN is that it's death-obsessed. My concern is that if ITN regs are more conservative on this front, non-Western events are more likely to fail while Western events, which typically get more !votes by non-regulars, are more likely to succeed. Would it be worth having a wider discussion? I don't see anything about encyclopedic relevance at WP:ITN Kowal2701 (talk) 21:17, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kowal2701 There is a discussion on the ITN talk page TNM101 (chat) 07:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Stephen. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Stephen, "people died" is not a reason to promote something to the main page (or even create an article for that matter). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Tragic, but doesn't rise to the level of ITN. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:48, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2025 Munich car attack

Consensus to post will not develop. Step hen 02:47, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Munich car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A car rams (aftermath pictured) into a crowd during a trade union demonstration by ver.di in Munich, Germany, resulting in 2 deaths and 37 injuries (Post)
Alternative blurb:  A car rams into a crowd at a trade union demonstration in Munich, Germany resulting in two people being killed and 37 others being injured
News source(s): Sky News NBC News
Credits:

Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Created by MemeDab99 (talk · give credit)
Updated by ShoBDin (talk · give credit) and Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Well, yet another car attack, but this one is probably borderline notable TNM101 (chat) 14:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ - While definitely notable enough for Portal:Current events, not a single person died, and I don't see a major impact besides Germany tightening security.

Changing to weak support per below. E_F⁵ 14:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support but I think the blurb needs to be clarified. From the summary in the linked article, it states that the attacker drove into a demonstration by the ver.di trade union. Attacks on union members in Germany, a place about to hold a federal election in 10 days, are going to be in themselves well more impactful than attacks on groups of otherwise unconnected civilians. Oppose on quality - everything's cited but the length isn't where I'd be comfortable supporting to put on the front page. Departure– (talk) 14:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added an altblurb based on what you said TNM101 (chat) 14:59, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait Per above, an attack like this just before a G7 country holds an election is pretty unexpected but the article right now is very short. (For transparency's sake, I remember the Magdeburg attack article being way longer than this when I nom'd it.) The blurbs could do with a fair bit more brevity too. Yo.dazo (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Needs work Seems quite significant due to its proximity to the Munich conference and the coming election. But its prose is still quite rough. I started copy-editing but was getting edit conflicts so it will need a while to become settled and stable. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Checking back on this, I found that some copy-editing was still needed. And there seems to be significant confusion as to whether the perp had a criminal record. The article says that a minister has back-tracked but there's no citation for this. The German language article has more but it's based on liveblog proseline rather than consolidated analysis. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - Some unique aspects, but impact seems comparatively limited versus past attacks. Article is also nowhere near long or detailed enough. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not of encyclopedic significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose simply because there isn't a single death. I could reconsider if one of the critically injured victims die in hospital, considering it is likely to somewhat affect the results of the upcoming election. Update 2/16/25: I maintain my oppose despite the deaths because there are seemingly no election-altering polling boosts resulting from this attack. It has no real impact. --Spec tral Ion 22:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Incidents like this are way more than just their fatality/casualty count. Please see WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for more details, irony fully intended. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:49, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability due to lack of fatalities and no clear motive. –DMartin 00:13, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it's been widely reported in news, meets notability criteria. DarkSpartan (talk) 06:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support the attack is following on from one before Christmas, in a country with a popular/dangerous far right party (AFD) and feeding into anti-immigration sentiment. Important global meeting happening in Munich on the same day. It's not about the death count. Secretlondon (talk) 08:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Basically a sum of everything noted above - notable event in the context of the current German political climate preceding the election, but there haven't been any reported casualties yet, and the article itself still needs to be worked on in terms of quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Ramming attacks have been on the rise, including in Germany. I'm doubtful this will have much of an impact beyond those directly involved. We posted the 2024 Magdeburg car attack and 2025 New Orleans truck attack, but those killed multiple people and injured many more than this one, which seems comparatively minor. The article has only three sentences describing what happened, the rest is personal information about the suspect - in so much detail that it makes me uncomfortable about WP:BLPCRIME and WP:NPF. I've tagged the article accordingly. Modest Genius ^talk 13:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Two people died in hospital from the attack, possibly affecting the notability and the blurb. Yeshivish613 (talk) 19:45, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

According to opposing votes added in the nomination above, "'people died' is not a reason to promote something to the main page (or even create an article for that matter)". Is it valid here too? ArionStar (talk) 05:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

strong oppose posting this is like posting any shooting attack in the usa that features in the news. Knife and car attacks are not notable in europe anymore unless the casualty count is significant (of note, 2 people were stabbed in Austria this weekend. Don't even think there is (or should be) an article). Converserly 18 people, including kids were killed in a stampede in regards to that omen that is kumbh mela 2024.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:12, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 12

Portal:Current events/2025 February 12

February 12, 2025 (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russo-Ukrainian War
- Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - Kyiv strikes
    - Russian forces launch an overnight ballistic missile attack on Kyiv, Ukraine, killing one person and injuring four others. (Reuters)
  - United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
    - After holding a telephone call with Russian president Vladimir Putin, U.S. president Donald Trump says negotiations to end the war will start immediately. (CNN) (Euronews)
Sudanese civil war
- Darfur campaign
  - The Rapid Support Forces storm the Zamzam Refugee Camp in North Darfur, Sudan, the country's largest displacement camp. The situation inside the camp, which holds around 500,000 people, is described as "catastrophic", with an unknown number of casualties. (BBC News)
Students–People's uprising
- United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk reports that over 1,400 people were killed last year during violent crackdowns on protests against the government of former Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina by the military and police, with over 78% of the casualties having been shot. (DW)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Hamburg train accident
- The casualty total from yesterday's collision between an Intercity Express train and a semi-trailer truck in Hamburg, Germany, increases to one person killed and 25 injured. (EuroWeekly)
A fishing trawler capsizes off South Korea's Jeju Island, with five crew members reported missing. Five others are rescued by the Korea Coast Guard. (AP)

International relations

Russia–Sudan relations
- Sudanese foreign minister Ali Yousif Sharif reports that an agreement has been reached for the creation of a Russian naval base in Sudan. (Al Arabiya)

Law and crime

Foreign relations of the United States
- Belarus–United States relations
  - U.S. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt announces that Belarus has released three detainees, including an American citizen. (Al Arabiya)
- Russia–United States relations
  - The Trump administration agree to send convicted money launderer Alexander Vinnik back to Russia in exchange for the release of American teacher Marc Fogel, who was serving a 14-year sentence for entering the country with 17 grams of medical cannabis. (Reuters) (NBC News)
2025 Grenoble attack
- A man throws a grenade into a bar in Grenoble, France, injuring 15 people, some of whom are in critical condition. (Times Now)

Politics and elections

2025 Greek presidential election
- Konstantinos Tasoulas is elected President of Greece by the Hellenic Parliament in the fourth and final round of the presidential election. (Ekathimerini)
Senate's President Ilie Bolojan becomes acting President of Romania following Klaus Iohannis' resignation on 10 February. (Reuters)

Science and Technology

Neutrino detection
- Researchers at the KM3NeT collaboration, published their results on the highest energy neutrino ever detected. The infrastructure, located at the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea, recorded an event 30 times more energetic than the previous record holder. (Nature), (AP)

(Closed) Elon Musk and unions

Nomination in good faith, but no consensus to post this TNM101 (chat) 06:23, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Elon Musk and unions (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Several unions are suing to stop Elon Musk from accessing personal data of workers, students and retirees in different agency IT systems in his role as the head of the newly created DOGE agency. (Post)
News source(s): CBS, Politico, Forbes
Credits:

Created and nominated by Shushugah (talk · give credit)

~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There is a huge mass of lawsuits thrown at Trump and Musk/DOGE that focusing on any one would be inappropriate. The idea of there being a constitutional crisis has gained traction in the media, so that itself may be an appropriate ongoing if readily confirmed and a good article was there for it. Masem (t) 23:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose trivial lawsuit. Scuba 00:21, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per @Masem plus WP:STUB QalasQalas (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose good-faith nom as per Masem. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) AMAN (naval exercise)

Portal:Current events/2025 February 11

WP:SNOW close. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: AMAN (naval exercise) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  AMAN 2025, a multinational naval exercise organized by the Pakistan Navy, concluded in Karachi, featuring naval forces from more than 60 nations. (Post)
News source(s): Arab News, AA, GT, The News, Dawn
Credits:

Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Ainty Painty (talk) 14:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Article has not been updated (it is still in future tense even though the exercises presumably already happened) and this exercise seems fairly routine so I'm not sure how notable it is ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article states that it is held every two years and the section on the 2025 drill has only about 3-4 sentences about it TNM101 (chat) 15:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The section that's about this year's AMAN is only 2 paragraphs. I'm also noticing a few errors in the sentences, Doesn't look like it has been updated very well. TheHiddenCity (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Routine event, no indication of any lasting impacts, very little information available in the article. Modest Genius ^talk 17:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - if it's not even notable enough for it's own article, it's not ITN. And only one independent (and local) reference about it? Nfitz (talk) 17:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2025 Greek presidential election

Consensus to post will not develop – robertsky (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Greek presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Konstantinos Tasoulas (pictured) is elected President of Greece by the Hellenic Parliament. (Post)
News source(s): Ekathimerini in English
Credits:

Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)

Moraljaya67 (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Is this ITNR? Even the article about the President states that it is mainly a ceremonial role TNM101 (chat) 14:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ITN/R, the election of whoever administers the executive of their state/government qualifies (whether that be the head of state or head of government). That then references this list which says that the Greek PM is the office that administers the executive, not the president. So long story short: no, it's not ITN/R and I am going to remove that from the nom. Thanks for catching that TNM101. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, all changes to head of state are ITNR. even ceremonial ones like the King of England, or President of Greece. Scuba 20:00, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, they are not. Read the criteria again. Repeating the same thing despite what everyone is telling you is a bad look. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is not ITNR per TNM101 above, and seems to be a very ordinary and ceremonial election procedure which will not have any lasting significance. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Greek President is head of state, qualifies for ITNR. Scuba 20:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The President of Greece is not a head of state that falls within the ITNR definition as it is currently worded. Because there has not been a "change, reelection or reappointment in the holder of the office which administers the executive of the [Greek] state", this is not ITNR. WP:OTHERSTUFF examples of times when we have incorrectly treated changes in head of state as ITNR despite them not actually administering anything, do not overrule the plain language of the ITNR rule itself. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until he becomes president. Sakellaropoulou is still currently the president. Scuba 20:01, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support since we post changes of ceremonial heads of state (president of Ireland or GermanyP routinely This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please take note that the current president of Ireland has been there since 2011, and the current president of Germany since 2017; the relevant ITN/R guideline meanwhile was agreed upon in 2021. (This is probably also a good example of why we shouldn't put too much stock in precedent when it comes to ITN.) Yo.dazo (talk) 12:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality, but I see no reason why this isn't an update to an encyclopedic subject. What ITN has done in the past is an "other stuff" argument in either direction. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

??? Was this posted under the wrong section? we have a change in the head of state, that's ITNR. Scuba 00:22, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, only the change in the office that administers the executive is ITNR. This is not, because the President of Greece is the head of state, not the head of government.-- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - not ITNR. The President of Greece does not administer the executive, the PM does. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It is only a ceremonial position, without any real political power, he is just a decorative plant chosen by the prime minister.--Μιχαήλ Δεληγιάννης (talk) 13:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Rockstone and Mikedelis. Seems to be an entirely ceremonial position, with the PM wielding the real power. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:04, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per others as it is a ceremonial position. --Spec tral Ion 22:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per my reading of WP:ITN/R. "Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above[which includes all sovereign states], as listed at List of current heads of state and government", The President of Greece is listed as head of state in the article. –DMartin 00:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The changes in the head of state is not ITNR; and I can't believe you ignored what you had just copied and pasted (LOL). The "Changes, reelections or reappointments in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government" (emphasis mine) is, which is not always the head of state. Above, there's a legend specifying that " Green cells indicate leaders whose offices constitutionally administer the executive of their respective state/government (emphasis mine). The President of Greece is not shaded green; the prime minister is.

This is not the first time I've seen this criterion misrepresented. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:21, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose since this is a ceremonial role. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm surprised this isn't closed yet. All supporting opinions are based on a misreading/misremembering of WP:ITN/R criteria, and there's no single word on how the new president is relevant enough for a normal blurb as well. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:26, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 11

February 11, 2025 (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Kivu conflict
- M23 campaign
  - 2025 Bukavu offensive
    - Rwandan-backed M23 rebel forces initiate advances towards Bukavu, the capital of South Kivu in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), following a two-day unilateral ceasefire. (Al Jazeera)
- Ituri conflict
  - CODECO insurgents kill at least 52 people and injure eight others in attacks across Ituri Province, DRC. At least 30 civilian homes were burned down during the attacks, according to Radio Okapi. (Anadolu Ajansi)
War against the Islamic State
- Islamic State insurgency in Puntland
  - Puntland counter-terrorism operations
    - At least 27 Puntland soldiers and more than 70 ISIL militants are killed or wounded in fighting around the Togga Jacel area of the Cal Miskaad mountains in Puntland’s Bari Region. This is the deadliest attack since Puntland launched an offensive in December 2024 against Islamic State in Somalia hiding in the Golis Mountains. (VOA) (Reuters) (Garowe Online)
Gaza war
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire, Gaza war hostage crisis
  - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that if Hamas does not release Israeli hostages by noon on Saturday, the ceasefire will end and the IDF will resume offensive operations in the Gaza Strip. (Reuters)
Islamic State–Taliban conflict
- Five Taliban members are killed and seven others are injured during a suicide bombing outside New Kabul Bank in Kunduz, Afghanistan. (Arab News)

Arts and culture

The accession ceremony is held for Prince Rahim al-Hussaini as the 50th Imam of Nizari Isma'ilism, succeeding his late father Aga Khan IV. (Islamabad Post)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Hamburg train accident
- Twelve people are injured, including two critically, when an Intercity Express train collides with a semi-trailer truck in Hamburg, Germany. (AP)

International relations

Foreign relations of South Korea, Foreign relations of Syria
- The South Korean Foreign Ministry announces that the country will move to establish diplomatic relations with Syria. (Korea Herald)
Jordan–United States relations
- King Abdullah II of Jordan meets U.S. President Donald Trump in Washington D.C. for talks focusing on the president's proposal for the removal of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and a subsequent United States takeover of the region, with President Trump threatening to withhold aid from Jordan and Egypt if they do not agree to the proposal. (ABC News)
Russia–United States relations
- Russia releases U.S. citizen Marc Fogel, after talks with Donald Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff. (The New York Times)

Law and crime

Antisemitism in Australia, Clinical incidents in Australia
- Two nurses in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia are stood down after claiming on video that they allegedly both refused to treat and intentionally mistreated Israeli patients. (The Guardian)
Belarus–European Union border crisis
- The European Court of Human Rights says it will consider three cases involving irregular migrants allegedly having been pushed back across the border into Belarus from EU countries. (Forbes)
Italian police arrest around 150 people across Sicily in the biggest anti-Mafia raid since 1984. (The Guardian)

Politics and elections

Politics of Vanuatu, 2025 Vanuatuan general election
- Jotham Napat is elected Prime Minister of Vanuatu by parliament. Napat, who received 50 votes, was elected unopposed. (RNZ Pacific)
Australia, the United Kingdom, and the United States announce sanctions on a Russian bulletproof hosting services provider that is allegedly ignoring law enforcement requests, along with two Russians who are operating the network. (AP)
The Government of Spain announces it will grant residency and work permits to up to 25,000 immigrants affected by the floods in the Valencian Community in 2024. (AP)

Science and technology

Google Calendar confirms it has removed Black History Month, Pride Month and other cultural events from its service, saying the holidays were "not sustainable" for Google's new business model which is rolling back an emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). (The Guardian)

Sports

2025 Asian Winter Games
- South Korea at the 2025 Asian Winter Games
  - Biathlete Ekaterina Avvakumova wins the first gold medal for South Korea in biathlon at the Asian Winter Games. (Korea JoongAng Daily)

(Posted) RD: Sigrid Metz-Göckel

Article: Sigrid Metz-Göckel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): foundation
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Created by Ipigott (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering sociologist for women's studies from the 1970s, professor in Dortmund. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article is well sourced and long enough. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:49, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 00:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Helen Hays

Article: Helen Hays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Updated by CAWylie (talk · give credit) and Neutrality (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American ornithologist and conservationist. Obit published 11 February. Thriley (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - looks good enough to post ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Can't see any issues. Nice article. Yakikaki (talk) 21:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Donn Moomaw

Article: Donn Moomaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Football Foundation
Credits:

Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:21, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - well cited ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - wel cited. Cbl62 (talk) 05:05, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support more information would certainly be useful, but the article generally looks good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 15:41, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margarita Forés

Article: Margarita Forés (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN News
Credits:

Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was a Filipino chef. The article looks good. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There's some cn tags since a major source that was used throughout the article was a deadlink that redirected to a car ad and no longer supported some of the article's statements. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
er... that source can be accessed through web.archive.org though? – robertsky (talk) 05:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose 1 CN tag remains in the article. Once fixed, consider this a support. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:25, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The CN tag has been resolved. toweli (talk) 18:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support No remaining issues as far as I can see. Good article. Yakikaki (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Moses Lim

Article: Moses Lim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:

Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
Updated by Justanothersgwikieditor (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A household name in Singapore, and likely was well-known to varying extents in other countries as he was part of the cast of the Under One Roof (Singaporean TV series) that was exported to multiple countries. – robertsky (talk) 03:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support One cn tag shouldn't keep this article from getting posted. Overall, well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - yep, looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Sam Walton (talk) 20:26, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Philip Brady

Article: Philip Brady (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [34], [35]
Credits:

Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
Updated by TVHead (talk · give credit), Afterwriting (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are still a few uncited statements in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 12:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unsourced section and some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, there is a whole uncited paragraph. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 10

Portal:Current events/2025 February 10

February 10, 2025 (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Gaza War
- Gaza war hostage crisis
  - 2025 Gaza war ceasefire
    - Hamas delays the release of further hostages under the ceasefire agreement, accusing Israel of violating the ceasefire. (BBC News)
  - United States support for Israel in the Gaza war
    - In response to Hamas' announcement, U.S. President Donald Trump issues an ultimatum, saying that if all remaining hostages are not released by Saturday then "all hell will break loose" in the Middle East. (Sky News)
War against the Islamic State
- Islamic State insurgency in Puntland
  - Puntland counter-terrorism operations
    - Puntland forces announce that, over the past 24 hours, airstrikes targeting Islamic State hideouts have killed more than 13 foreign militants in the Dhasaq area of Bari Region, Puntland. (Anadolu Agency)

Business and economy

Second Trump tariffs
- United States President Donald Trump signs an executive order imposing a 25% tariff on all aluminium and steel imports. (NBC News)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Guatemala City bus crash
- A bus veers off a bridge and falls into a ravine in Guatemala City, Guatemala, killing 56 people and seriously wounding others. The government declares three days of national mourning. (CBS News) (Prensa Libre)
One person is killed and four others are injured when a Learjet 35A aircraft veers off the runway and crashes into a Gulfstream G200 aircraft at Scottsdale Airport in Scottsdale, Arizona, United States. (The Arizona Republic) (KNXV-TV)

International relations

North Korea–South Korea relations, Korean conflict
- South Korea opposition leader Lee Jae-myung calls for renewed dialogue talks with North Korea and emphasizes the need to maintain strong military readiness amid heightened tensions on the Korean Peninsula. (NK News)

Law and crime

2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement
- Police in Bangladesh arrest over 1,300 people amid riots and pro-Sheikh Hasina protests. (DW)

Politics and elections

2025 Romanian presidential election
- Romanian President Klaus Iohannis announces his resignation. (DW)
Artificial Intelligence Cold War, 2025 in artificial intelligence
- French President Emmanuel Macron tells major world leaders gathered at an AI summit in Paris that France is "back in the AI race". His remarks came following the announcement that the country would be receiving AI private investments worth a total of €109 billion (US$112 billion) over the coming years. (France 24) (The New York Times) (AP)

(Posted) RD: Maria Tipo

Article: Maria Tipo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary Italian pianist who has been compared to Horowitz, also dedicated teacher. Expanded, referenced and rephrased an article that was copyvio from one of the sources. -- --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Very nicely updated, article is in fine shape. Yakikaki (talk) 21:27, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:13, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nigel McCrery

Article: Nigel McCrery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [36], [37]
Credits:

Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Keith H99 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Happily888 (talk) 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Publications section needs more citations, and a CN tag still remains in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 12:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Donald Shoup

Article: Donald Shoup (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): parking.net
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American research professor of urban planning at University of California, Los Angeles. Author of The High Cost of Free Parking. Death published 10 February. Thriley (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose 2 cn tags still remain in the article. Additionally, the Bibliography section needs more ISBNS or references to fill out the section. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 21:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Bibliography has sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2025 Guatemala City bus crash

Article: 2025 Guatemala City bus crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A bus falls off a bridge (rescue efforts pictured) over the Las Vacas River in Guatemala City, capital of Guatemala, killing at least 54 people and injuring several others. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 16:30, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @ArionStar: I urge you to review pages like WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NEVENT to make sure that you are creating and nominating articles that actually are encyclopic articles on events, rather than simply reporting an event. In this case an article with one one sentence is far far too early to even consider for an ITN (we never post something that short). Please at least try to have the article with a minimum length (roughly 1500 chat of prise) before nominating here. I don't have an immediate comment here on this specific event, just that like several of your past ITNC noms, the articles have been woefully lacking in details and there has been no clear sign they can be expanded. Masem (t) 16:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a moment… ArionStar (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: the event become notable as the death toll is high and further investigations are underway. ArionStar (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ArionStar, can you point to the notability guideline that supports this? Cause that sounds like utter bull. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thebiguglyalien: WP:INDEPTH and WP:DIVERSE. From local TV Azteca to The New York Times or even The Times of India, an unrelated country… ArionStar (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is in no state for the front page right now. Support Looking much better. This is getting wide coverage and the number of casualties is significant. Estreyeria (talk) 16:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. One sentence. As Masem says, write the article before nominating it. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did something now. ArionStar (talk) 17:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lean support: 55 killed in the worst road accident of 2025 and one of the deadliest in Latin America in recent years. There's also sources claiming it was Latin America's worst road accident. I was going to say oppose due to the article being a stub and due to bus crashes or road accidents in general being common in Latin America, but the article is in better condition. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I wouldn't even say the article should be in mainspace due to the state its in, but that’s just me. E_F⁵ 17:30, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@EF5: now it's good enough. ArionStar (talk) 14:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I see this nom going the same way as the last bus plunge. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 'bus plunge' cliche is helping no-one. Are these deaths really less newsworthy because of the type of vehicle involved? 'Bus plunge' is mostly used an excuse not to post mass casualty events from developing countries. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the type of vehicle is entirely tied to how newsworthy. One person dying in a spacecraft is inherently far more newsworthy than one person dying in an automobile. Generally, a road accident is not encyclopedic. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Even with the article’s expansion, there’s just a single sentence on the accident itself - the reactions section is over twice as long. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Oppose I can see the reasoning that this is a lot of deaths, but it's a literal bus plunge and there was just another a few days ago. I don't think this is getting posted. Changing my vote to Support due to increased casualties, an improved article, the Escarcega crash looking unlikely to be posted, convincing arguments by others, etc. --Spec tral Ion 18:42, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article is better now. ArionStar (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support I find myself once again pointing out that in past circumstances where extremely similar accidents occurred but with far less casualties, less global coverage, yet in North America, we posted the incident rather resoundingly: see e.g. Schoharie limousine crash, Humboldt Broncos bus crash, Carberry bus crash. We also posted 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash after a series of oppose votes, before strong objections about a double standard ended up swaying the consensus decision towards posting. Similarly to the 2024 South Africa bus crash, this incident is attracting worldwide press coverage from Reuters to Australian media to the Times of India. Nobody has provided any reasoning for why this bus crash is less notable than other mass casualty incidents other than, "it's a bus plunge". I would say that because we regularly post lower casualty accidents with Americans/Canadians as opposed to Guatemalans, further elaboration is necessary. In fact, this crash strikes me as MORE notable than the American crashes we have posted because it occurred in a dense urban area - those accidents were all rural! Precedent is important, as is the avoidance of anglocentric double standards at ITN. Flip^and Flopped ツ 20:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would’ve almost certainly voted against all 4, in retrospect. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:01, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really a matter of "anglocentric double standards" but of the quality and availability of the news sources: what's the Guatemalan equivalent of the NYT or BBC News? And, to make it applicable to the Campeche crash too, what's the Mexican equivalent of the Guardian or CNN? Writing a decent article on your examples from the US or Canada is much, much easier. As just an example, what highways did these two accidents happen on? You'd have to dig very deep into non-English sources to discover those factoids, whereas for Schoharie we've got the answer in plain English in the first ref. (The answers, by the way, are Federal Highway 186 and CA9, the latter of which not only doesn't exist as an article but isn't even listed on the dab page.) As a result, the quality of the articles is ... not great, and likely to stay that way. In the Escárcega article, I can see misinterpretations of Spanish reports that have come down to WP through Eng-lang sources. For instance,"The local council, Palacio Municipal de Comalcalco..." from the BBC. No: Comalcalco is a place (it's where most of the holidaymakers were from, I think), it has a local council -- municipal govt, I suppose -- which is based at the Municipal Palace, or we might gloss that as "city hall". But that's what the WP:RS says; were I to change it, I could rightly be reverted on those grounds. And that's before getting into the more philosophical questions of long-term impact. WP:CRYSTAL and all that but no, Mexican trucks aren't going to have to pass mandatory roadworthy testing as a result of Escárcega, and Guatemalan buses aren't going to stop carrying passengers three-on-a-seat as a result of Puente Belice. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think these are fair concerns, Moscow Mule. My only real response is that these points all (mostly) sound to me like article quality concerns, as opposed to objections to notability. To make my point clearer: if a Mexican newspaper released a well-written English-language article tomorrow that allowed us to add more details to the article, then most of what you are concerned about would be remedied - so, a question of quality of sources, which is an extension of article quality. By contrast, my concerns with a "double standard" pertain to selectively opposing this crash on notability. Per your own admission, the only real argument on notability is your last point, which you readily admit boils down to WP:CRYSTAL. If this article failed to be posted due to a genuine consensus over article quality, I would not be bothered. The reality, though, is that many votes are simply reflexively writing off bus crashes outside North America on notability, which is what triggered my comment. Flip^and Flopped ツ 03:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I found TV Azteca Guatemala and Prensa Libre (Guatemala). ArionStar (talk) 03:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TV Azteca Guate. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I wanted to add that Guatemala is also in North America like the United States and Canada --Pithon314 (talk) 01:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Off-topic accusation/discussion

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Flipandflopped The fact that ITN made dumb mistakes other times doesn't mean it needs to make a dumb mistake today. I advise you to strike your implied accusations of racism. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thebiguglyalien, I never once accused anyone of racism. I was very careful to explain my reasoning thoroughly and politely... if you are taking offence to an accusation of racism that you yourself have introduced into the discussion, there is nothing I can do about that. Also, please refrain from calling others "dumb". I don't think debating how you are applying WP:OTHERSTUFF to ITN further will be conducive of a respectful or helpful discussion, so I will leave it at that. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

? ArionStar (talk) 01:15, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Someone to collapse this part? ArionStar (talk) 01:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed about collapsing, as this is an off-topic accusation. Done. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is more put together and covers an important event with a large death toll in a part of the world that often isn't covered on English Wikipedia. NewishIdeas (talk) 07:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support 51 deaths from a bus crash is very notable. Also per above, a lot of previous crashes were also published, I don't see this as any different. TheHiddenCity (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update: the death toll rose to 56: a investigation is underway; the article is bigger now. @Masem, Estreyeria, Moscow Mule, and EF5: ArionStar (talk) 23:07, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Prominent mass casualty event. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the article is good for now. ArionStar (talk) 02:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The details seem too thin. What sort of bus was it? Was it a chicken bus or what? Who was the operator and what was the service? Why was it going so fast? Is that normal? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Chicken bus" is an offensive term used by English tourists visiting Latin America. Totally out of place. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:32, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just going by what I read about buses in Guatemala, which indicates that the locals use a similar term in Spanish: camioneta gallinera. The point is to get clarity about the model of bus. Was it a pullman coach, a city commuter bus, a converted school bus or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 11:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Adding the information. The work of finding sources is time-consuming but I'm getting it. ArionStar (talk) 11:41, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see you've added some info about the passengers but I'm not seeing anything about the bus. There seem to be several theories about what went wrong but it still seems quite speculative. I wouldn't expect international sources to follow up and working from local sources will be difficult and take time, as you say, I suppose. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:46, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but I don't see any reason for opposing due to it. ArionStar (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: information about the bus finally added. ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good detailed source you found – well done. But I'm not seeing where you get camioneta from as the source doesn't seem to use that word; just using the English word "bus" even in the Spanish version. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't me; I've already moved Bus transport in Central America to the "See also" section. ArionStar (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as a clearly notable topic, and in good enough condition (quality/length) for a MP outing. Serial (speculates here) 13:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is uncommon to see top leaders of other countries reacted to a bus crash. ArionStar (talk) 02:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. A bus crashed. Not an encyclopedic subject. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update: the government of Taiwan sent condolences: [38] ArionStar (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, the subject has already 4 language hiperlinks. ArionStar (talk) 01:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maldives too ArionStar (talk) 01:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The {{cite tweet}} template is kinda problematic… Any hint? ArionStar (talk) 02:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh… The bot just corrected it! Thank you, machine! ArionStar (talk) 02:45, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just in the middle of source readjustment, it's the first time I'm doing a massive work like that. ArionStar (talk) 04:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have commented here more than 20 times. You need to stop. Step hen 04:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason for anyone to police another users comment activity. Pretty ridiculous. NewishIdeas (talk) 05:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But, as WP:BADGER makes clear, overloading the discussion can ultimately be counter-productive. Moscow Mule (talk) 19:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done The 2025 Guatemala City bus crash#International part was written and sourced. ArionStar (talk) 06:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC) P.S.: I'm commenting on the improvements I did in the article.[reply]
Support Article looks good in terms of sourcing and the high death toll does make it blurbworthy IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Removed (Ready), there does not appear to be a consensus here quite yet. Black Kite (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Broader, tangentially relevant discussion of WP:NOTNEWS and ITN

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@Black Kite: 9 in favor (including a strong support) versus 6 against (including EF5 opposing on quality before that being improved); I guess it's a rough consensus, IMHO… ArionStar (talk) 12:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And I still oppose. Events like this are strikingly common. E_F⁵ 13:03, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. And it's strikingly common for them to appear in the ITN: 2021 Bulgaria bus crash, 2023 Gualaca bus crash, 2024 Thailand school bus fire, 2024 Minas Gerais road crash, for example. All with lower death tolls than this. A tragic discussion. Serial (speculates here) 15:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And every time, we have the exact same argument. One faction argues we are promoting un-encyclopedic articles about transportation accidents in violation of WP:NOTNEWS. A second faction decries a double standard and objects that those opposed are making WP:CRYSTAL type arguments by insisting these accidents must meet a speculative bar of lasting significance even when they have widespread coverage in reliable sources. We need to have some sort of clarifying overarching policy discussion, that has broader community buy-in, and settles this ongoing never-ending argument at ITN. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per NOTNEWS, just because sonething gets widely reported doesn't necessarily make it appropriate to include in WP, since our goal is looking how topics are treated over time, not from a burst of coverage. If this accident happened in 1990, pre internet and 24/7 news, we'd likely never have had the coverage and thus no article on it. This is not dismissing all transportation accidents, but we should be looking at the higher bar if an accident is actually going to have lasting significance before rushing off to create an article on it, much less feature at ITN. if one really wants to write these types of articles we have Wikinews for that and if turns out the event has lasting significance it can be transwikid to en.wikibto to expand as an encyclopedic article. This is still currently not a good encyclopefic article as it is written like a newspaper. Masem (t) 19:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't CRYSTAL to say we currently don't have evidence of sustained secondary coverage. Saying that we might have it in the future is CRYSTAL. Articles should not exist until after that evidence comes into existence and is presented. Until then, this fits perfectly fine on a list of traffic incidents. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's my point, we feature these types of accidents all the time, in my opinion too much. And I'm not saying that doesn't make this crash notable, it's obviously a horrible incident, just that readers aren't going to want to know about a bus crash every few weeks (more or less, you get my point). — E_F⁵ 19:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If our rationale for what we post is "what readers want to know about", it makes no sense that we pass on high-casualty accidents and celebrity deaths (e.g. Liam Payne), while consistently blurbing small elections in Liechteinstein or the outcome of Darts tournaments. Contrary to what you said, I actually think these crashes are instinctively supported by editors precisely because they generate outsized amounts of public interest (thus spurring the global news coverage). The reality is, people want to read Wikipedia articles which explain high-casualty accidents, much more than a majority of the other things we post. If it is a current event being widely discussed by reliable news sources, and has a freestanding subject article which meets WP:GNG, post it. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:52, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the "people want to read Wikipedia articles which explain high-casualty accidents" part you stated. If that was the case, 2024 Minas Gerais road crash (at ITN two months ago) wouldn't have only ~500 monthly pageviews, the biggest spike being when it was at ITN. We feature these too often, and my stance on that won't change. I also agree that NOTNEWS can apply to this. — E_F⁵ 19:59, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Guatemala bus crash has a wider local and global coverage/aftermath. That's the point of notability. ArionStar (talk) 20:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A burst of coverage, even if international, is not a sign of notability. We expect enduring coverage, which is the problem for most of these accident articles. Unless it involves something heavily regulated that we see a long tail of cause seeking and blame, accidents like this only stay in the news for a few days and then are likely never covered again. Masem (t) 20:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Many of these crashes are quickly forgotten by the media, I’d say because of how much they happen. E_F⁵ 20:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, what's WP:DIVERSE? ArionStar (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's one of several criteria to be met for an event to considered notable. The first is the enduring coverage which also must be considered. Those aren't to be read in isolation. Masem (t) 20:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An underway investigation counts as a "enduring coverage"? ArionStar (talk) 20:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Enduring coverage" would be coverage that endures after the event is no longer in the news cycle. Coverage of the investigation is still live coverage, not enduring coverage published in retrospect. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is simply not how this policy is interpreted by the vast majority of editors across Wikipedia, and to a dramatic extent. We quite literally never wait months before we create articles about widely covered tragic events, including types of tragedies which are "frequent", like bus plunges. For example, we routinely create articles immediately for American mass shootings, even though similarly to bus plunges, they are "frequent". The same is true of plane crashes, knife attacks, van attacks, police shootings, and youth suicides that make news headlines... In my humble opinion and respectfully, the onerous interpretation of WP:NOTNEWS you are proposing is so dramatically different to how it this policy is widely interpreted in practice, that a more appropriate place to argue for that interpretation is on the talk page of that policy, as opposed to litigating it through ITN nominations about Guatemalan tragedies. Flip^and Flopped ツ 06:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Masem, I know this will likely be immediately criticized as a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, but there is a problem with how onerous your "enduring coverage" criteria is, when it is just blatantly being very inconsistently enforced. I would argue that a sizeable chunk of even our ITNR items, such as the recent Liechtenstein elections as one example among many, do not come anywhere close to meeting the high bar of enduring notability which you describe. The effect is that WP:NOTNEWS ends up being a sledgehammer that is used only selectively and in a systemic manner against certain types of articles based on the subjective opinions of individual ITN contributors (and sometimes even their cultural or social biases, although for clarity I am not accusing any individual of that here). Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:30, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Elections create a govt that lasts for multiple E years, so they clearly have enduring impacts. The problem is that too many editors are creating news articles and not encyclopedic articles, failing NOTNEWS and NEVENT in the first place. That problem leaks into ITN because these news articles are being nominated. — Masem (t) 23:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This comes across as rather insensitive to people who work hard to keep these kind of articles up-to-date and would like some recognition for it. Liechtenstein matters just as much as any other country and just because you don't see the value in that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. I've spent a lot of effort ensuring that the article is expansive, up-to-date and sourced, so you seemingly arguing that a national election is NOTNEWS comes across as poor faith. TheBritinator (talk) 02:40, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: a complete list of victims was released; the number of passengers is still to be determined; the cause remains under investigation. Definitely not "WP:NOTNEWS". By example: King Air F90 prefix PS-FEM plane crash in 2025 is clearly what WP:NEVENT doesn't represents; no diversity, low enduring impact, etc… ArionStar (talk) 23:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLUDGEON. Take a deep breath, step back, and let the process unfold. And given that discussion of this nomination is still ongoing, I think it'd be better for someone other than the nominating editor to flag it as "ready" if/when the time comes. My final comment on this one. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Showing distinct arguments… ArionStar (talk) 00:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ArionStar Your WP:PROD nomination of that article feels a bit WP:POINTy. Please don't try to use other articles as a way to demonstrate your thoughts TNM101 (chat) 06:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed that PROD. It's a minor event in terms of air crashes but it's not so clearly non-notable that it doesn't need to go through AfD. Black Kite (talk) 23:05, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a tragic accident of no encyclopaedic consequence. Step hen 04:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Another day, another case of ITN getting heated about a bus plunge. 50 people dying in a singular incident in a non-warzone area shouldn't be controversial from a notability angle for people, and it's actually INSULTING that we have so many established editors that don't believe this even meets NEVENT. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
+1. ArionStar (talk) 16:25, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support Prominent mass casualty event, article in good shape. I'm honestly kind of shocked by the opposition. Plane crashes with significantly less casualties are regularly posted, but there's massive opposition to a deadly accident in a method or transportation mostly used by poor people. –DMartin 00:21, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This has received significant international coverage, including from The New York Times(USA), the BBC(UK), Straits Times(Singapore), and Der Spiegel(Germany). –DMartin 00:29, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Flipandflopped. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:37, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Before the blurb becomes stale, what's the result of all this discussion? Appropriate for ITN or not? ArionStar (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be willing to call this ready. –DMartin 03:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to mark it. ArionStar (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Better… Pinging @Robertsky again. Another rough consensus here. ArionStar (talk) 05:00, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The last blurb was just posted hours ago. Posting now means that the accompanying map will be bumped off after just a couple of hours. We have roughly 40 hours before Feb 10 becomes stale, and we don't have new blurbs to rotate the current 5 out all at once as well, I don't think it is that urgent as posting the Feb 9's blurbs in the last couple of days. I will look at this again before then, and if no other admin has decided on posting or not. – robertsky (talk) 05:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this is posted now, it will still go in as the top blurb because the others are all older. But most mainstream news sources show the story as 5 days old. The President announced 3 days of mourning but that's over now. And so it's not really in the news now. It would look odd to have this as the top ITN story when there are newer and bigger stories such as the Munich conference, the Munich car attack, the attack on Chernobyl, the African Union election and so forth. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:01, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It happened with Baltic states synchronization with CESA and 2025 Kosovan parliamentary election, occurred on February 9; no problem since it's not stale yet. ArionStar (talk) 12:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertsky: give us a final decision before its deadline. ArionStar (talk) 20:57, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are 12 supports and 7 opposes, and that's before we WP:DISCARD the "it's notable because people died" thing. There's WP:NOCONSENSUS. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There're two strong supports… Let's wait for a last-hours admin decision before its deadline. ArionStar (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For the love of god, please stop WP:BLUDGEONing the discussion. You've made 34 comments under your own nom, and by this point you could probably be brought to ANI. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy-tagging @Stephen for input as an admin who previously warned the user. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:52, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bringing this to ANI would be ridiculous. Just get an admin to close the discussion as no consensus. This article is getting older by the day, and it wont even be relevant to ITN soon. NewishIdeas (talk) 19:45, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Make it 35, now pestering an admin to post it. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:45, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A bus crash, while tragic, is not a significant enough event for ITN. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: I think it would be a healthy thing for ITN if a consensus decision was reached here, as opposed to this rolling off without closure. It is much better to have a precedent with a brief explanation, rather than no decision ever made and we simply relitigate this whole argument again the next time there is a mass-casualty bus accident. I also adjusted the tag to "Decision needed" as opposed to "Ready", as I think that is a more fair descriptor. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:55, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the article is orange-tagged. That's a showstopper. I'd be happy to read through the above discussion but the tag must go first. Schwede 66 22:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. An accident with 50+ fatalities is almost invariably listed at ITN , and I don't see a reason why this one should be different . They aren't so common in that country that it becomes less significant. Schwede66 I have removed the tag,I don't think the lead is at all too short ,it gives the vital info and is no worse than hundreds of others that we routinely list. — Amakuru (talk) 22:36, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted There is a rough consensus to post. – robertsky (talk) 23:58, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Romanian president

Article: Klaus Iohannis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Romanian President Klaus Iohannis resigns from office. (Post)
Alternative blurb: President of Romania Klaus Iohannis (pictured) resigns from office, and is succeeded by Ilie Bolojan.
News source(s): [39]
Credits:

Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR as change in head of state. Announced today, but he said it'd happen on Wed. Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until it happens (within a day if my time zones are correct). Will give time to likely know how the replacement process will go to include in blurb. Masem (t) 15:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, and a new blurb should be in order. Seems very bare-bones for now. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - is it worth noting that he's called for the second round of elections to start again? I have to admit i myself dont know much about that part, but i agree with the wait. TrainSimFan (talk) 17:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait until it actually happens, the support. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chorchapu: It happened. ArionStar (talk) 20:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this is big news for Romania and has many consequences for the country. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 01:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. Until it has a new successor. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:22, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ -- this is not ITNR, because the president of Romania does not administer the executive. He is not the Head of Government, that role belongs to the Prime Minister of Romania. I've also removed the itnr label. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:17, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to your the link you provided the Romanian president does wield executive powers, although not necessarily the same powers as the prime minister so this is in fact ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
President of Romania#Powers and duties confirms this. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per List of current heads of state and government, Romania is one of the few countries where both the PM and President wield executive powers and so both qualify as ITN/R ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:38, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not true, we only consider those heads of states where the green cell is marked, as they administer the executive. The President of Romania is not that. Nonetheless, even though this isn't strictly ITNR, it can still be posted, especially if it has political ramifications. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The President of Romania does administer the executive, signs laws, has veto powers and appoints and fires ministers, including the prime minister, among other powers. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The cell is marked green for President on the line for Romania ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:33, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is now, it wasn't when I posted that. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was when I first posted my comment too. Looks like a bit of an edit war is going on at that article at the moment. The cell is back to blue as I write this now. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that he has resigned. Added altblurb with successor if people prefer to include that info ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support as he finally left office. Good to go. ArionStar (talk) 17:44, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait The Honours section lacks sources. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:07, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Major political event, crisis in Romania. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:31, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- having thought about this more, whether this is strictly ITNR or not, it's clear that his resignation is a serious political event in Romania that deserves to be posted. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ready and Question: Is it related to the 2025 Southeast Europe retail boycotts? ArionStar (talk) 16:33, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's more related to the election held earlier this year, whose first round was annulled by the constitutional court. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 20:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted without picture for now. I've queued it to be protected, so we could swap it out, but I'm actually inclined to say that the map of Europe is more useful as an image right now, since readers may not know where the referenced regions are located. Sam Walton (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Sam, we typically picture the top blurb per WP:ITNIMAGE. Step hen 02:10, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Samwalton9: I reported this on WP:ERRORS with more details on an error in the posted blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2025 Sri Lanka blackouts

(non-admin closure) Consensus to post will not develop, more suitable for DYK than ITN. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 19:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Sri Lanka blackouts (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Sri Lanka faces nationwide blackouts after a monkey breaks into a sub-station in Sri Lanka's electrical grid (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Monkey causes a ripple effect in Sri Lanka's massive power outage that lasted for hours.
Alternative blurb II:  Sri Lanka faces a power outage after monkey had disrupted a key sub-station in electrical grid.
News source(s): BBC; Sky News; The Guardian; ABC News
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Most important news that is making headlines in Sri Lanka and across the globe considering the main factor behind the power outage is due to a monkey. Abishe (talk) 14:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - While funny, power seems to be returning and the effects seem to be limited. If the monkey strikes again, I could be persuaded to change my vote. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Monkey strikes? I didn't even know they were unionised. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose lack of power for a few hours is not ITN appropriate and may even be a NOTNEWS issue. Masem (t) 15:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Though discussions could be on quality, which is not that bad, this event is far more better than other which get posted albeit NOTNEWS. Isn't this what Masem says, ITN is to showcase Wikipedia articles in news and not necessarily a serious news business who shall shy from posting something hurting its so-called reputation. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 17:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- At the same time, WP is not a newspaper, and articles created about t events with no lasting impact or coverage lack the required notability and should not be featured on the main page. This is more an amusing news story ( an outage caused by a monkey) and really doesn't have a place on WP. If you want news, Wikinews is that away, we are here to feature quality articles about topics that happen to be currently covered by the news. — Masem (t) 18:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. Better fit for DYK. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, not important per Masem and mike_gigs, the interesting part is the monkey which makes this more suitable for DYK per The Kip. --Spec tral Ion 18:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, might have made it if it had been a whole series? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Microplastics in the brain

WP:SNOW closing. Consensus to post will not develop; better suited for DYK regardless. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Microplastics and human health (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Microplastics (pictured) are found to be increasingly polluting human brains. (Post)
News source(s): Nature; CNN; Science Media Centre; Smithsonian; Times;
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: There's a wave of news stories based on this recent paper in Nature Medicine. This was published as a preprint last year but has now been peer-reviewed. Our articles seem to need work to digest this but I'm not going to be able to do that all myself. Perhaps there's already some others working on this? The issue seems potentially quite serious and significant and so, despite the current deficiencies, we should give it some consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The target article and the article linked in the blurb are different, which one are you proposing? Both have quality issues, but one looks a little easier to fix. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Microplastics and human health could be linked to polluting. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 14:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure which is the best article for this. Other candidates might be plastic pollution and health and safety hazards of nanomaterials. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this is hardly a "current event". Studies about this are in the news all the time. Estreyeria (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Esteryeria. I'd love to see more medical and science stories, but something like this regarding microplastics where the information has been trickling out for years make it difficult to find an appropriate point to post. Masem (t) 14:40, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Not a “current” story. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:00, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My starting point for this was the report in the UK's newspaper of record yesterday which said, "This study, published in the journal Nature Medicine, made headlines around the world last week." It is therefore "in the news". Andrew🐉(talk) 18:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
last week

So you yourself have just admitted it’s stale? The Kip ^(contribs) 21:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. WP:ITN explains that "older than the oldest entry in the current "In the News" box is considered stale". The Nature paper is dated 3 Feb and the news coverage then followed. The oldest blurb is currently the Grammys and they happened on 2 Feb – 8 days ago. That's what's stale. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above, this is not an event, it is a constant trickle of papers about microplastic pollution and this is merely a coincidental wave of them. --Spec tral Ion 18:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, it is a new study, the sources provided above range from 3rd February to yesterday. The researchers have found around a spoon of microplastics in our brain, I think this is more notable than the winner of the Superbowl. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:36, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Esteryeria TheHiddenCity (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If there was a current event here it'd be the new study, but there is no article for that study (linked, or as far as I could tell, on Wikipedia) and thus I agree with Esteryeria. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Peter Tuiasosopo

Article: Peter Tuiasosopo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, EW
Credits:

Nominated by harizotoh9 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor, known for playing E. Honda in the 1994 Street Fighter film. Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Filmography section is entirely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 12:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Filmography needs some more sources. Close though! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, filmography needs more sources. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:22, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 9

Portal:Current events/2025 February 9

February 9, 2025 (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Israel–Hezbollah conflict
- Israeli invasion of Lebanon
  - 2024–25 Tyre airstrikes
    - Six people are killed and two others are wounded in Israeli airstrikes near Jannata, South Governorate, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera)
Gaza war
- 2025 Gaza war ceasefire
  - According to ceasefire terms, the Israel Defense Forces fully withdraw from the Netzarim Corridor as Palestinians return to northern Gaza. (DW)
- Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Gaza war
  - Two women are killed by Israeli forces in the Nur Shams refugee camp in Tulkarm Governorate, West Bank. (Al Jazeera)
Libyan crisis
- Authorities uncover two mass graves containing nearly 50 bodies of refugees in Kufra, Libya. (Al Jazeera)
Naxalite–Maoist insurgency
- Thirty-one Maoist militants and two security forces are killed during a shootout around Indravati River in Chhattisgarh, India. (Al Jazeera)
Mexican drug war
- At least five bodies are abandoned under a bridge near Cárdenas, Salamanca, Guanajuato, Mexico. A banner allegedly signed by the Santa Rosa de Lima Cartel was found at the crime scene. (Milenio Noticias)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Sri Lanka blackouts
- A nationwide blackout occurs in Sri Lanka. Energy Minister Kumara Jayakody says a monkey triggered the mass power outage after "coming into contact" with a grid transformer at a substation near Colombo. (BBC News)
One person is killed and at least 28 others are missing in a landslide in a village near Yibin, Sichuan, China. (Al Jazeera) (Miami Herald)
Five people are injured when a Green Line train collided with an out-of-service train in Somerville, Massachusetts, causing both trains to derail. (WWLP)

International relations

Baltic states synchronization with CESA
- Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania join the Continental Europe Synchronous Area, one day after disconnecting from the IPS/UPS. (BBC News)
Israeli–Palestinian conflict
- Egypt announces it will host an emergency summit of the Arab League on 27 February to address U.S. President Donald Trump's proposal to resettle all Palestinians from Gaza. (AP)

Law and crime

Three people are injured in a knife attack in Dublin, Ireland. The perpetrator was arrested. ^[4]
Super Bowl LIX halftime show
- A performer during American rapper Kendrick Lamar's halftime show is detained by NFL security on the field of the Caesars Superdome after holding the Sudanese and Palestinian flags that contained the words Sudan and Gaza. (NBC News)

Politics and elections

2025 Ecuadorian general election
- Citizens of Ecuador vote to elect a president and the members of the National Assembly amidst the country's security crisis. With around 44% of the popular vote each in the presidential race, incumbent Daniel Noboa and challenger Luisa González will compete in a run-off vote on 13 April. (Al Jazeera) (BBC News)
2025 Kosovan parliamentary election
- Citizens of Kosovo vote to elect the members of the Kuvendi. (BBC News)
2025 Liechtenstein general election
- Citizens of Liechtenstein vote to elect the members of the Landtag, with the Patriotic Union winning the most votes and its leader Brigitte Haas expected to become the country's first female head of government. (SRF)

Sports

Super Bowl LIX
- In American football, the Philadelphia Eagles beat the Kansas City Chiefs, 40–22, to win their second Super Bowl, thereby denying the Chiefs of a three-peat. (WCAU-TV)

(Posted) 2025 parliamentary election in Kosovo

Support - not sure why no one is voting for this, but it's ITNR, too. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 07:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good prose. ArionStar (talk) 11:23, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, this article is fairly good quality and these elections will have many effects for a long time in Kosovo. While we’re at it, should the article be moved to “Kosovar...” instead of “Kosovan...”? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 15:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Notable election, article looks good. Should probably have been posted already. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted I was waiting for the image to be protected, and IRL activities caught up to me. – robertsky (talk) 10:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertsky: could you relocate to the top of the section? It happened on the same day of the Liechtenstein one and it wouldn't stay for long if it's third in the column… ArionStar (talk) 12:47, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ArionStar ah... somehow I mistook the date. it is fixed. – robertsky (talk) 14:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Edith Mathis

Support Although I'd like to see the lead expanded a bit, the article is good for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I concur. Sound coverage and sourcing. --PaulBetteridge (talk) 14:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I added more, a bit to the lead also. There's a wish list on the talk, and more lead is one of the items. - Difficult to summarise such a diverse career, - help wanted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:35, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Beverly Byron

Support. Article looks good enough (C level). Adding a couple more sources might be better, but there are citations throughout. Cielquiparle (talk) 02:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rutherford Chang

Oppose: Article is much too short to be considered for notability at the moment. Highresheadphones (talk) 06:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Article is a stub. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Way too short. Article is a stub. TheBritinator (talk) 01:11, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose 2 citations, 113 words, stub class. Not long enough for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Article has been expanded. Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 16:49, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 23:37, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tom Robbins

Support Article is long enough and has enough citations to be considered ITNRD level quality. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Fake. Jusdafax (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Adequate for RD. No ISBNs for his publications, but they're there on the individual books' articles (for which kudos: having a complete bibliography w/ articles for each is unusual). Moscow Mule (talk) 17:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A reader shouldn’t have to go looking in linked articles for references. Step hen 01:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I said that on the offchance someone might take the hint. If no one does, and I'm at a loose end later... Moscow Mule (talk) 01:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Five cn tags with some paragraphs completely unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TDKR Chicago 101 I have just added several references to combat those CN tags. Mind taking another check? Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:33, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Issues last raised seems resolved. – robertsky (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Baltic states join CESA

Support This is a notable geopolitical development, and the article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added nomination header. Template:Ping, could you please make sure to add your nom header when nominating next time? Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 03:12, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So sorry! ArionStar (talk) 03:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support An interesting insight into the world's infrastructure. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pretty big power grid news, and it doesn't involve an accident! Very noteworthy indeed. Yo.dazo (talk) 11:21, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support definitely in the news and meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Article quality is also good enough to be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:47, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Significant development that's in the news & target article looks sufficiently detailed with no glaring issues. Vanilla Wizard 💙 12:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Added altblurb to clarify that the CESA is an electrical grid ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oppose nothiing notable about this fringe news story.Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - a technical change that has next to no actual impact on anybody. nableezy - 17:33, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I can't say I'm convinced this is ITN-worthy. TheBritinator (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Nableezy. Somewhat important from a geopolitical standpoint, but not to the level of ITN. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, but I don't know what this actually means. Does changing grids mean that the Baltic states are no longer reliant on Russia? Does this have any impact on energy production or energy reliability? Natg 19 (talk) 00:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For example, a Russian power outage could affect the Baltics, or even an attack on the region's electric power system could happen more easily. ArionStar (talk) 01:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article makes it fairly clear that the Baltic States have unplugged from the Russian grid and plugged into the main European grid instead. It's the electrical equivalent of joining Schengen. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Obviously major technical change, but also offers a glimpse into Baltic states' distancing from Russia. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 09:16, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support A complex technical and industrial accomplishment, which also has major geopolitical implications on the future of Eastern Europe. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support important geopolitical development. Makes you wonder why it took them so long. Scuba 20:02, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I'd support if significance could be demonstrated by sources that describe why it's significant. This is just recitation of the sequence of events. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. It certainly seems like something significant enough for ITN to my non-expert eyes, but I cannot tell as the article does not demonstrate why this is significant. Curbon7 (talk) 01:06, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thebiguglyalien: BBC. ArionStar (talk) 13:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, significant and unusual event, article in decent shape. CMD (talk) 01:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:45, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Marked as Ready since a rough consensus seems to exist. ArionStar (talk) 14:01, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Throwing in an additional support here as well, per Andrew and others above. Interesting from both a technical and political perspective. Yakikaki (talk) 21:51, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Robertsky: good to go? ArionStar (talk) 01:15, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. There is a rough consensus to post. – robertsky (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Amal Nasser el-Din

Oppose Article is too short for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 03:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Little to no info about this life between 1928 to 1961 is covered. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2025 Liechtenstein general election

Support: The article, including the results table are well cited. Moraljaya67 (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Added altblurb2. Moraljaya67 (talk) 05:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Automatically notable per ITNR which includes the general elections of any sovereign state. Article is in good quality. We previously posted the results of the 2021 Liechtenstein general election. --Pithon314 (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article's quality is good enough for Main Page recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality article has table of results but no prose about the election or results itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article is not in bad condition, but, as Joseph says, the results section should have prose and a “reactions” or “aftermath” section would be desirable. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:08, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The election happened a day ago. I'll add some prose but information is still coming in. TheBritinator (talk) 14:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302 & @Alsoriano97: I have added some prose about the results. Hope this helps. TheBritinator (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry been busy, article looks fine now (so consider this a post posting support). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good enough for me. @TheBritinator if you are involved in this article, I think it would be good to make some reference to the reactions and the aftermath. But good job. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks like good quality article and also notable enough. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support alt 2 Good and ready. ArionStar (talk) 23:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support no quality problems. Scuba 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:@ITNA _-_Alsor (talk) 11:23, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66, Black Kite: the admins delay is a problem… ArionStar (talk) 12:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weekday mornings (UTC) are always an issue for admins; much of the USA is asleep, and European admins are regularly at work or college (I just happen to work from home on Wednesdays). Anyway, Posted with alt2, will insert the image when it's protected. Black Kite (talk) 12:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And done. Black Kite (talk) 12:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:U, you say: Template:Tq No, it is only a problem in your head. Someone will get to it if and when they have time. I for one don’t appreciate multiple pings for the same item. And just so you know, there are editors who I ignore regardless of what they have to say; make sure that I don’t add you to that list. Schwede 66 14:29, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Post-posting oppose~~ The article for Brigitte Haas is four sentences long and is a complete stub. Template:U, I don't think it is at the quality level needed to justify having her portrait prominently featured on the main page. Flip^and Flopped ツ 20:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support pulling portrait, ITN portrait article being a stub seems undesirable. Is it policy to always make election winners the portrait? I would have kept Nujoma or Jalen Hurts. LocoTacoFever (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are no quality requirements for non-bolded articles, and we picture the top blurb when a suitable picture exists. Step hen 20:56, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U, and why is that? A picture stands out far more to a viewer than bolded text. Logically, readers are far more likely to click on the article linked to a giant picture which occupies a decent chunk of the ITN "real estate", relative to something merely in bold. Overly rigid interpretation of the rules should not end up in us guiding thousands of people to click on a four-sentence stub article from the Main Page: WP:BUREAU and WP:IAR were written with a situation like this in mind. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:36, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U, I'm not sure why you pinged me as I did not assess the nomination nor posted it. However, I do agree with Stephen; that's not the bolded article. Schwede 66 22:39, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, that was my error. I misread the thread! Flip^and Flopped ツ 05:30, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? The image caption isn’t linked. Step hen 03:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The image caption is not linked, but her name is directly adjacent to the image. The image being there encourages the reader to click on the adjacent article link and calls attention to it. I don't have any "evidence" for that; to be frank, that just strikes me as common sense. Flip^and Flopped ツ 05:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The main page is based around the bolded links being the ones clicked. Step hen 05:45, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the dominant theory is that bolding something makes someone more likely to click it, then including an image which is exponentially more prominent to the eye than bold text logically follows. But the article has been improved in any event - kudos to Template:U for doing that. So this is indeed a moot point now, just expressing my own opinion that we should not include images which correspond to stub articles. Flip^and Flopped ツ 06:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no quality requirements for non-bolded articles. Seems like a moot point. TheBritinator (talk) 02:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Oleg Strizhenov

Oppose Not long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 19:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Length isn't a requirement for RD. Scuba 14:07, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Length does become an issue if it does not properly detail notable aspects of the person's career/why they are notable. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good. Scuba 14:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Career section needs expansion and the award section needs sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Super Bowl LIX

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2025 February 8 Template:Cob

Reluctant support since I don't believe the American Hand-Egg Championships should be ITN/R, but, until such time as that's corrected, they are This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It generates more revenue than anything other than [possibly] the world cup of soccer. It is far more notable that kicking a ball around aimlessly and without strategy for 90 minutes.49.206.5.189 (talk) 11:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gee, which is the more popular sport globally? On top of that why does Yank Football stop and start every second with little play for most of it?--2A00:23C7:4F92:4E01:9C74:2862:F1BB:11D4 (talk) 12:04, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTAFORUM. ---- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait then support. We will wait for the results and support as an ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:39, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close notability isn't in doubt because it's ITN/R. It's not in a fit state to post until it says who wins and has a match summary, which won't be for over 16 hours. Therefore any debate is moot. We may as well start a nomination for the 2028 presidential election as that is on ITN/R. Unknown Temptation (talk) 10:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb with SBMVP, but can we PLEASE not nominate stuff of this (scheduled events) hours before they happen? Please and thanks. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 14:47, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that someone is in a hurry than me around here. Lol ArionStar (talk) 15:18, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per ITN/R --Spec tral Ion 03:35, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, wait for quality – there are still a few CN tags in the article and the game summary is still quite lacking—obviously this is ITNR and this may as well be one of the most notable events this year, but some time is needed before posting. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 03:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Only one CN tag now—I can thrust my full support now. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 06:14, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support because it's the biggest sporting event in America and it's the norm for it to be on ITN. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 03:51, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I should add that I support the alt blurb so we can add Hurts' picture and explain that he's the MVP winner. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 03:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I do not believe sporting events should qualify for ITN/R. If the event has nothing to show outside of its results or its events, excluding things such as world records; it simply does not make sense to include it. By this logic, PAX East should be ITN/R

PikminFan9000 (talk) 03:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PikminFan9000 this isn’t a discussion on whether or not sports items should be ITN/R. This is a discussion on whether or not this article is good enough quality to be posted to the main page. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 04:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I understand this, something like the super bowl will always receive a high level of attention from editors and is all but guaranteed to be ITN. It feels disingenuous to allow people to state opposition to something that passes through regardless without allowing them to address the root cause. I will acquiesce and agree this probably belongs on the ITN/R talk page, at least under wiki's guidelines PikminFan9000 (talk) 04:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Added "ITNR" parameter. The Super Bowl is listed in the ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support: Adding the Super Bowl to ITN has been a precedence that has already been set, I don't know why we would make an exception for this one. Also, due to the current circumstances, I predict that this Super Bowl will be seen as one of the more culturally impactful ones. -MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 04:44, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles! Also, almost everything is referenced now. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support: Even Messi, Koke and FIFA president Gianni Infantino didn't want to miss the game! CoatCheck (talk) 05:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reminder The Super Bowl is ITNR, there is no point in supporting on the nature of the story. !votes here should focus on the quality of the article, only. --Masem (t) 05:28, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Awesome work by the boys in this one and great to see Jalen and Nick get their due. Article looks good to go, though of course some additions can and will be made eventually, but nothing that should disrupt quality in any meaningful way. E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES! DarkSide830 (talk) 05:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per ITNR and the article looks in great shape. --Pithon314 (talk) 06:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Only one CN tag left so more than ready for posting. DecafPotato (talk) 08:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. I'll add the image when it's protected. Black Kite (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image added. Black Kite (talk) 08:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Picture didn't last long (a day at best). No idea why. Watch the next soccer photo be up for a week. CoatCheck (talk) 17:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:U Because another story with a suitable image came along; this happens all the time. Note that the one that replaced it has since been replaced itself. If the image lasts only a few hours, we do sometimes delay the later image use, but this one was fine. It's nothing to do with what the article is about; all are treated in the same way. Black Kite (talk) 12:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support for obvious reasons, but agree that this shouldn’t be nominated until the game is actually over - it’s premature otherwise. Congrats Birds. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 8

(Posted) RD: Gyalo Thondup

Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:34, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 23:52, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot to issue credits. Sorry. Will see to it now. Schwede 66 07:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted as blurb) Blurb/RD: Sam Nujoma

Oppose - much of his early life and political career sections remain uncited --Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:26, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. An actual Father of the Nation but unless someone can source that vast section on the independence movement he's not going to make it. Moscow Mule (talk) 22:32, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A blurb would be appreciated for the “father of the Namibian Nation” and, for my part, I would support it as we have done in previous cases. But the quality of the article is not good: many sources are missing and it would be necessary to evaluate in detail if the content exposes his role as “father” and builder of the country. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality Article needs some major ref work before this could get posted. Would support a blurb seeing as how he's a founding father of a nation. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:23, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb not that he seems to be the type of leader that we should blurb, but the article does not clearly lay out the reasoning for this beyond the brief lede summary and a list of awards. There needs to be a singular section about his legacy or impact to explain why he was highly regarded in this role, which seems should be possible given what he did. However, given the significantly lack of sources, getting even to the RD may be difficult, Oppose RD on lack of sourcing. Masem (t) 12:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD with improvements but really for the blurb, having one or two condensed paragraphs summarizing the sourcing about his recognition (which exists throughout the article but not well summarized) would really help to make this a quality article for a blurb. I'm not denying he is clearly appropriate for a blurb, but from a quality aspect, having to sift through the entire article to understand this facet is not helpful to readers. Masem (t) 02:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the first paragraph addresses this? Kowal2701 (talk) 11:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb , referencing issues are sorted Kowal2701 (talk) 20:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. This is an open and shut blurb case - he was perhaps the single biggest figure in the independence movement for Namibia, its first president for 15 years, and it's possible the country wouldn't even exist without him. Suggesting he's not of the calibre for blurbing would be akin to saying George Washington shouldn't be blurbed, and that given the proliferation of relatively minor figures being blurbed of late. I despair sometimes! Anyway, I've added some refs in the political career section, and Kowal2701 has done a sterling job with the rest so I think the quality is now fine. — Amakuru (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, if he doesn't deserve a blurb, no politician does. He was the personification of Nambia's liberation struggle. A legacy section would be ideal, but tbh it sort of goes without saying Kowal2701 (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb as he was the first president of Namibia. Good article. ArionStar (talk) 23:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Notability established as first head of state for modern Namibia. Additionally, article quality is far better than what I saw when first checking over earlier this morning. Well done! Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 01:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb As leader of SWAPO and later president of Namibia, Nujoma effectively led the Namibian people for almost 50 years, and the Namibian war being such a quagmire was a big contributor towards the end of Apartheid in South Africa. This is as close to Thatcher/Mandela as we could get. Curbon7 (talk) 02:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD while blurb discussion continues. Spencer^T•C 04:03, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, blurb him. His being on the currency kind of settled it for me. Excellent clean-up/referencing work by the other updaters. Two-para legacy section added. AltBlurb, unless someone suggests something better. And does anyone else prefer the 2003 photo where he's wearing a carnation? Moscow Mule (talk) 05:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Clear consensus for a blurb here... I'm flagging as "attention needed". Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:51, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ne Zha 2 breaks box office records

Support The article is in OK shape (maybe needs a bit more details about the plot), the fact itself is pretty interesting.Trepang2 (talk) 05:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Box office (if not #1 in world) doesn't matter. Chinese films grossing higher and higher should be taken as a common event now. If there is something really special about it other than this, let us know. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 06:36, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lean oppose Breaking news: there's a lot of people in China. More at eleven. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I don't think we posted Inside Out 2 becoming the highest grossing animated film of all time. If this film surpasses that record, maybe we can consider posting.Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I can't think of any box office record other than becoming the highest-grossing film globally that would be ITN-worthy. TompaDompa (talk) 14:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - per above ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:24, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why was this nomination WP:SNOW closed so quickly when others with similarly impossible support to oppose ratios have stayed open for so long? I feel like we should be more consistent with these. For example, looking at the timing of the comments and which were there when this closed, the bus plunge below should have been SNOWed simultaneously. --Spec tral Ion 18:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Escárcega bus crash

Oppose. A bus crashed. This is not a significant event that merits coverage in an encyclopedia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:03, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now, as the article is a stub. If the article is improved, maybe I will change my vote to support, as we posted the 2024 Minas Gerais road crash in 2024. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have some experience in searching sources and improving articles. Going to sleep and back to work… 💤 ArionStar (talk) 03:37, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. A 25-word stub. (And Escárcega is in Campeche, not Tabasco.) Moscow Mule (talk) 04:27, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It says near Escárcega. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 05:27, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox says "near Escárcega, Tabasco". Fwiw, neither of the references say it occurred in Tabasco. Moscow Mule (talk) 05:52, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a near-literal bus plunge This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:25, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have expanded the article since, from the one line it was before. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 07:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability. 41 deaths from a weird accident where identification of bodies has become difficult due to burns, a mystery why truck driver invaded the lane, international coverage, and importantly an improved article. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 10:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @ExclusiveEditor! ArionStar (talk) 15:08, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I have Template:Tq. Also changed the blurb and target article accordingly. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 10:36, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment These types of relatively low-level traffic accidents are the types of articles that are very much unlikely to develop into actual encyclopedic ones. This is part of what MINIMUMDEATHS get to, is that its not so much the death toll that matters but how likely is the event to have enduring coverage past a few days of news? --Masem (t) 15:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above, especially Masem’s reasoning. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability per ExclusiveEditor, as well as my comments on the other Guatemala bus crash article above. 41 casualties is well-above the average bus crash, as well as above the number of casualties in other crashes from North America which we have previously posted (in those cases, less than 15-20). I see some reasonable distinction between this crash and the Guatemala one because it occurred in a very rural area, whereas the Guatemala crash occurred in the nation's capital itself (which is potentially more unusual/more likely to generate increased coverage due to proximity to many people). Ultimately, I think both are notable per our precedent. Flip^and Flopped ツ 22:09, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dick Jauron

Weak oppose As only the Early coaching career subsection needs citations. Rest of the article is good with regards to quality, lengthing, sources, etc. Support, as all issues have been cleared up. Thanks, @Hey man im josh! Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:51, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Working on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kline, @Fakescientist8000: I made some significant changes to the sourcing and improved that section quite a bit. I've got to pop off for the day though now. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article has now been significantly improved, going from 24 to 46 references. This includes replacing a number of dead links and poor sources while also re-using the references I added in a number of places. It's in a lot better shape now and I'd say ready to go, with the appropriate support of course. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:33, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:19, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ongoing: M23 campaign (2022–present)

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Support - Article is of good quality and is definitely being updated regularly. I think at this point it’s pretty notable with the UN’s involvement and the M23’s advancements, so I won’t have a problem promoting this to ongoing ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 00:15, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per above. There is escalation with daily updates, and the article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:54, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. Major ongoing conflict. Wonder about a name change to something like "War in Kivu" or something, but that's mostly an aside This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk)
- Support, I think it should also be renamed but that's best left for the article's talk page. 675930s (talk) 02:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment is Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) not more appropriate?

Kowal2701 (talk) 12:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) does have a better title, but the article is not very long and doesn’t seem to be as frequently updated. The scope of that page currently seems to be mostly a summary timeline of major events. The editors of those pages chose to split the articles and they’ve been focusing on the M23 military campaign. Maybe they chose Democratic Republic of the Congo–Rwanda conflict (2022–present) to be an overall summary of the conflict for now, and they are focusing their editing efforts on the M23 military campaign. Maybe the articles needs to be merged or the article that is supposed to be the summary needs to be updated more. Wafflefrites (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not worth changing anything until the conflict escalates/ceases Kowal2701 (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I question the quality of the article. It is well sourced -- but also over-excessive on details and day-to-day events. Its very hard to follow because of this. I realize this is a long-running campaign and thus its hard to necessarily write an overall picture, but some of the earlier sections (in chronological time order) could easily be better summarzied. No comment on significance for ongoing beyond that it is appropriately updated with ongoing news coverage. --Masem (t) 18:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If needed, please see earlier nomination at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2025#(Posted) M23 offensive (2022-present). Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment started an RM

Kowal2701 (talk) 21:33, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Ongoing & Comment just out of curiosity why are we nominating just the offensive and not the whole kivu conflict? sorry if this is a dumb question i’m just curious. Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above, seems good enough quality-wise and is receiving frequent updates. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:23, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 23:42, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 7

RD: Tony Roberts (actor)

Oppose - the vast majority of the "Life and career" section, as well as the entire filmography, is unsourced. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:59, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have added a no-citations tag to the career section TNM101 (chat) 04:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dafydd Elis-Thomas

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Support - one CN but that shouldn't completely stop this nom. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 23:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. There's more to be said (18 yrs at Westminster, propping up Callaghan in the Winter of Discontent and VoC, 1979 referendum...), but it's unobjectionable for RD as it stands. Llywydd Senedd Cymru, indeed. Moscow Mule (talk) 01:46, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:28, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted charlotte ^👸♥ 07:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 6

(Posted) RD: Virginia Halas McCaskey

Support Article is well cited and is long enough for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 21:50, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. Da bears! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:24, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Looks good ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:39, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I've done a lot of work on the refs and have also added some sourcing for a number of spots that I felt the references didn't verify. I don't want to boldly add myself for credits, and would understand if you wanted to object, but I'd appreciate if you were willing to add me as an updater. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  You're the best :) Hey man im josh (talk) 20:54, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted charlotte ^👸♥ 07:44, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Irv Gotti

Improvement needed: It is currently orange tagged, and citations for discography section could be picked from the main article. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 09:40, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Needs review as it's no longer orange-tagged. Schwede 66 22:55, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Bering Air Flight 445

Oppose No one died and this isn’t particularly notable Personisinsterest (talk) 13:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't know that though. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Aircraft disappearances aren't particularly common and this plane had 10 people on it. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait It's only been missing for a matter of hours, and it would probably have been found already if it went down on land. Oppose on notability. Estreyeria (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Give them time to look for the plane... Also there are some quality issues with the article. It says the plane disappeared at 3:16pm AKST on February 7th, but it is currently 4:23am AKST on February 7th...? ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the article per sources. FYI this accident took place on February 6, 2025 - not February 7th as the article incorrectly stated before. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose opening the floodgates to every minor plane crash/incident being posted to ITNR. Not every incident has encyclopedic relevance. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm inclined to wait for news in this story; but the nominator's comment seems a little bit pointed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait one more day, then support I think the nominator is trying to make a point, but I am undeterred. The fact remains that American plane crashes in general are exceedingly rare, attract immense social interest, and have long-standing impacts on both the aviation industry and the community where the crash is located (in this case, most lethal crash in Alaska of a generation). Put that all together with this being an aircraft disappearance (not just a crash on landing for example), and that makes this notable. The fact that a few of them have coincidentally happened back to back doesn't really negate this fact. Flip^and Flopped ツ 16:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aviation accidents are subject of extensive discussion here, including small plane flights (some ones occasionally posted)… it's part of the ITN process… ArionStar (talk) 16:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We're not even two months in and this is already a very bad year for aviation. Depending on what happens next I might give my support. Departure– (talk) 16:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another small aircraft just crashed in São Paulo today, and killed two people. ArionStar (talk) 16:36, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Looking at 2024, there seems to be an aviation accident or incident every week, on average. WP:NEWSEVENT applies. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per Chorchapu. 64.114 etc 18:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose We generally do not post private/non-airline crashes or disappearances unless there is far more to the nature of the story. Unlike commercial airline crashes which get heavily investigated by national air safety boards, private ones rarely do, so there's no indication this will have a long tail of coverage. --Masem (t) 19:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem It actually was a commercial flight operated by Bering Air, but agree otherwise; it's a comparatively minor accident on a flight operated by a small intrastate (not even regional) carrier. It doesn't seem too far off from Thai Flying Service Flight 209, which is currently at AfD and wasn't even nominated when it happened, let alone posted. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:02, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other incidents of similar scale/(lack of greater) notability that weren't nominated/posted include 2023 Rio Branco Cessna Grand Caravan crash, 2023 Manaus Aerotáxi Embraer Bandeirante crash, 2022 Mutiny Bay DHC-3 Otter crash, and Siberian Light Aviation Flight 51. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I do agree that by itself a plane crash wouldn't be important enough to put on ITN, this is a aircraft disappearance, which doesn't happen nearly as often. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:08, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Small aircraft crashes are quite common in Alaska (because of frequent bad weather and because it is often the only way to travel). Curbon7 (talk) 21:47, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How common? Show us some stats. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These two articles are a bit outdated (dating 2019 and 2008) but get the idea across. Curbon7 (talk) 09:38, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support disappearances with 10+ passengers with no concrete answers on its fate after 24 hours are highly unusual in aviation. I’m immediately reminded of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. DrewieStewie (talk) 22:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - not every plane crash needs ITN. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 23:08, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Chorchapu, + can't remember the last time I heard a plane went missing. I do understand that it most likely crashed, but it may have survivors. TheHiddenCity (talk) 23:54, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update — The US Coast Guard has located the wreckage, 3 fatalities confirmed so far. RandomInfinity17 (talk - contributions) 00:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is nothing inherent about fatal aircraft incidents that make them historical events worthy of mention in an encyclopedia, let alone on the main page. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:27, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on notability. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 07:42, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. Not notable. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to the current phrasing of the nomination – The article was nominated for ITN when the aircraft had disappeared off radar and when search and rescues were still being conducted. This should have been nominated after more information was known, at least waiting one or two more days before doing so. Now that the aircraft's wreckage has been found, a renomination or amendment to the nomination can be made, because, as it stands, the nomination is clearly outdated. As to whether I would support it, I'm still unsure. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support 10+ deaths, no concrete reason for why the plane went down. Scuba 18:47, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If this was postable any how, would we not have posted it if the reason was known? 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 21:09, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment should this be WP:SNOW closed? I personally don't have much of an opinion on this but I don't think it's getting posted. --Spec tral Ion 18:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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February 5

(Posted) RD: Hans-Peter Lehmann

Support, no issues tagged and the article is long enough. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Quick, before he rolls off. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:13, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted – Schwede 66 03:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Louis-Gaston Mayila

Weak support Article could benefit with a little more detail about what he accomplished in his political roles but fully referenced and meets minimum depth standards. Spencer^T•C 04:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:32, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:@ITNA Natg 19 (talk) 18:04, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Repinging Template:@ITNA because this is about to be too old. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:41, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. The awards section is mostly in French. Why not use translations? The first award, for example, even has an English article at National Order of Merit (Gabon). Please ping once it's translated and I don't care whether that's (sometime shortly) after this has rolled off this page. Schwede 66 22:48, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted The awards being in French is not a significant issue IMO. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:53, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The block of text in the lead was a minor issue I considered. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:03, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2025 Southeast Europe retail boycotts

Support Article is of sufficient notability and quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:16, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per the above. 64.114 etc 04:42, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - No one cares about a bunch of people boycotting some small supermarket retail in the Balkans. Nestle has had an active boycott of over 40 years yet we dont cover it ever. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 04:47, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the supermarket retail is small, a boycott where 89.5% of a country is participating is still notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:41, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, leaning oppose - At the moment, we're only seeing the proposed action, not the impact. Calling for a boycott is easy; making change with one is difficult. (Which is why people are still boycotting Nestle after 40 years - it's had minimal effect on policy.) I'm not against this in principle, but we'd need to see it actually achieve something. GenevieveDEon (talk) 06:53, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Government measures are being introduced all the time. Some of them didn’t pay off, so the boycotts call for different measures. This is well-covered in the article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:02, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support These are certainly notable and very unusual boycotts triggered by the elevated consumer prices and the high profit margins.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:55, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is affecting the economy of the Balkans in a significant way. Rager7 (talk) 08:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: The article indicates that the boycotts have had an impact, with price caps being introduced. This is an interesting international popular movement. Ironic (talk) 11:38, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support This doesn't seem all that notable to me, but it did have an impact on prices, so I guess. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:38, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose for now. Currently the article only discusses the direct impact of the boycotts in Croatia, not any other countries. Until we see how it impacts nations on a wider scale I don’t know if this is notable enough to post. I also feel like the article is a big vague in places about what exactly is being boycotted and thwart the impacts have been. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:59, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The boycott in other countries just started on January 30… Let's wait for updates. ArionStar (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on Quality. I think the article could use some fleshing out of it's constituent sections. One small concern I have is not every country's section makes mention of the chains being boycotted. I understand it's a very broad boycott, but mentioning specific chains would probably better inform readers on the exact scope of the boycotts. Just my two cents, not a massive concern. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:53, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better now. ArionStar (talk) 00:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why was this moved from Feb 1 to Feb 5? The only change from an event standpoint is the addition of Albania to this. This feels like gaming this nomination, particularly as there is really no initiating event that we can really point to as the start of all this. --Masem (t) 01:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From January 31 to February 5, due to the adhesion of Albania. Romania and Kosovo are planning to join on February 10. Moving a proposed blurb is allowed, by the way… ArionStar (talk) 01:10, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved this back to Jan 31, as ArionStar's edit also deleted the history of other nominations from Jan 31. Natg 19 (talk) 01:24, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to do that? ArionStar (talk) 01:28, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Done. Sorry for the mistake. ArionStar (talk) 01:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Ironic and MtPenguinMonster. 🔥Jala peño🔥 contribs 08:17, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as a pretty significant response to rising prices, but I do have to point out that the article is in some need of tidying up. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Remove Slovenia from the blurb, even if there were calls for boycott, this is not getting media attention in the country and it is not getting much tracking. Croatia is another story, this is top news there. --Tone 13:37, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the alt blurb is better and summarize all the countries involved. ArionStar (talk) 14:31, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb per ArionStar and Yo.dazo. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support (either blurb, but the one the lists the countries is preferred) The article is now in good enough state, especially given that the event is ongoing. It covers all the basic facts, has sufficient context, and is actively updated with new developments. I also think this is a highlight of the enwiki's ability to cover well non-Anglophone news, and I think this is a remarkable direct consumer action, regardless of whether it ultimately succeeds or fails to move the retail prices. Melmann 16:23, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support the alt blurb, this article seems good enough and this is a notable event. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:11, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality; the article struggles to distinguish between facts and rumours, and between one-day actions and indefinite ones; it also struggles to maintain NPOV. 217.180.228.171 (talk) 01:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Searching the news for "boycott", I find all sorts of other boycott stories – cricket, Tesla, Coca-Cola, etc. I have to go to the second page of hits to find this story. But it's not the only boycott in the Balkans as there's also a story that "Serb party ends boycott to fight Kosovo election". So, I'm not convinced this stands out in the news. And current readership of the article is tiny – less than 1,000 views per day – which also indicates that it's not prominent. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:35, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It makes front page news in Croatia in all local reliable sources, every time. Melmann 10:24, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is very big news in Europe and the article looks good. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is 12/6 consensus? ArionStar (talk) 02:30, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Stephen: ? ArionStar (talk) 13:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:@ITNA — Knightoftheswords 13:31, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Template:U: ArionStar (talk) 16:22, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted, but I cannot see the point of including the poster, as it's not in English and readers will thus have no clue what they are looking at. Schwede 66 00:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I disagree… It's a flyer written in Croatian language, the first country involved. Important even if it's not in English. Please, add that. ArionStar (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Brian Turner

Oppose for now The bibliography is incomplete and there is a CN tag. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:47, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a stub, and we don't post stubs. Schwede 66 03:45, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sally J. Novetzke

Oppose Article is a stub, and has almost no length to it. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 18:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will probably expand the article, unless someone else wishes to take up the plate to do so. wizzito | say hello! 03:27, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead—WP:BEBOLD. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:49, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think the article has been expanded enough now. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:38, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree with mike_gigs. Marking ready for RD. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted charlotte ^👸♥ 07:51, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Death of Mihir Ahammed

Comment Not ITN/R and removed some of the non-neutral wording in the nomination title. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:35, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Question what is ragging? I didn't understand the concept. By the way, the death occurred on January, 15. ArionStar (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ArionStar Its basically a form of bullying that occurs in Indian universities that is done by seniors to the juniors, where they are forced to do various things like dance shirtless etc. TNM101 (chat) 12:41, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not allowed by Indian law, right? It's just that here in Brazil we make donations as part of the so-called solidarity student hazing. ArionStar (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good-faith nom, but it seems stale. ArionStar (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The triggering event (the death) is stale, since tht was reported on in the days from it happening. The only other thing of note are some small scale protests against the state police. This likely shouldn't even be an article since the person was non-notable to start, and that ragging seems to be a common problem in India and Sri Lanka that the coverage of one death from it that has yet to result in any change to laws or the like is far too soon. Masem (t) 13:02, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just fed up of all bad things are common in India opposes where they aren't. Ragging is equivalent to bullying in nature, and I suppose is equal if not less common in India than US. Those leading to death are even rarer, and generally the well documented ones have a precedent to have a Wikipedia article. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 13:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Though agree with you on rest. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:05, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. The Kip ^(contribs) 13:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Wait and see~~: It has only recently(a day or so ago) got traction in mass media, and if it turns into anything bigger, an RD may?be posted. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 13:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Alternatively Oppose~~ Article probably should be on the 'case' than death of xyz. In such case neither RD nor blurb would be suitable, at least as of now, per Masem. As well as based on quality, tagged it with cleanup required. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as stale. He would be ineligible for an RD as Ahammed did not have an article prior to his death (and thus was not notable) ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:11, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its the nature and aftermath (no wp:crystalball though) of his death that is more notable than the kid himself. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but when we post RD's it's because the target article (person) is notable (by way of having an existing article), not because their death is. Per WP:ITNRD: Template:Tq. Also the death (or announcement) must have been within the past 7 days, so in this case it would also be stale. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:42, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you are right. I had opposed it for the same above, though I felt it would be noble to iterate that his case itself may not have notability issues. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I have draftified the article because it seemed to be hastily written with contradictions, even for the date of suicide. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 14:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and WP:CRYSTALBALL. Template:Small 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 06:36, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Impeachment of Sara Duterte

Oppose for now, The Senate still have no vote for the impeachment trial, and it is ongoing as for today. We should wait for until senate concluded all votes if whether impeached or not because Sara Duterte still a vice president based on the report on GMA Integrated News on the news of 24 Oras by Sec. Gen. Reginald Velasco. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:22, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soft oppose while this is really big news for Filipino politics, Sara is just the VP. ITN is for changes to heads of state/government, she is neither. Scuba 22:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let me quote for this on what he said:

Template:Quote — GMA Integrated News ROY is WAR Talk! 12:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Duterte has been impeached but is not yet convicted. Similarly, the impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol was posted although Yoon is still the sitting South Korean president, and his case is still pending in the Constitutional Court. 360kong (talk) 12:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, i see that. However, I think they need that votes on Senate of the Philippines since they are the only one need to be concluded. To be summarized, Senate will have a impeachment trial for that, but, Senate have adjourned until June 2. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. ITN had posted when Merceditas Gutierrez was impeached (which is what happened here), and when Renato Corona was convicted. ITN did not post the impeachment of Andres Bautista. Duterte is the highest official impeached when ITN is a thing. Wait until the Senate's final vote. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment FWIW we also did post the 2021 impeachment of Trump by the House (the Senate never voted on conviction). --Masem (t) 13:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it will depends on the constitution, In the Philippines, if there's a impeachment although the Philippine Congress decision for impeachment, it is still required or need to be concluded of Senate of the Philippines of impeachment trial. ROY is WAR Talk! 13:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know the philippine law, but in the US, the house votes to declare impeachment but the senate votes whether to actually convict or not. This reads the same that one side of the legislature has votes to issue impeachment while the other sides votes to say if those stick and thus proceed with removal from office. — Masem (t) 14:56, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Have we ever posted a vice president being impeached? Even if they were convicted? I believe all the comparisons being made are for presidents - I can't recall considering posting about the impeachment of vice president, though maybe I don't understand how important that role is in the government of the Philippines? ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is the first on the history of the Philippines that the Vice President of the Philippines was impeached, so it is passed on the ITN, however, the Senate of the Philippines are not starting of the impeachment trial. So, I suggest that we should wait until the Senate have conclude their votes. ROY is WAR Talk! 14:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ITN posted the removal of the Philippine Chief Justice due to an impeachment in May 2012.

ITN posted the impeachment of the Philippine ombudsman in 2011. The ombudsman resigned prior to the Senate impeachment trial. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While not an impeachment, quo warranto petition against Maria Lourdes Sereno that led to the removal of the sitting chief justice, was also posted on May 2018.

I'd imagine Joseph Estrada's impeachment in 2000 would have been posted. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the Philippine Senate cast their vote Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 14:21, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy, the session of the Philippine Senate will be continue on June 2, so I think it will be cause of delay. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:05, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - is there a better photo? It looks like they are wearing a costume for a Christmas pageant or something. Nfitz (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz, it is a Filipiniana dress. Is a traditional gown for women in the Philippines, that is a formal attire for a president and vice president on a official portrait. ROY is WAR Talk! 16:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is her official portrait, and one of the most used image internationally as I know. ExclusiveEditor2 (talk) 16:17, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's the right image then. Nfitz (talk) 16:46, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as she’s not the highest-level executive. I wouldn’t support blurbing any other VP/Deputy PM/etc removals either. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait I don't mind posting this per se, given it's emblematic of the political crisis the Philippines are engulfed in, but agree with others that we should await the Senate vote and only post if she is indeed impeached. Khuft (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She has been impeached, the act done by the lower house of Congress is indeed that, but the uppee house will have vote to remove her from office. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:29, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support per Khuft; while she is not the highest-ranking executive, this is pretty huge news because of the current political situation and power struggle that is happening in the country. That being said, I was initially leaning towards casting a vote to "wait" for the result of the impeachment trial; however, it is uncertain as to when that will happen. There is a possibility that the trial will only occur after the midterm elections, and a lot of things can happen between today and if/when that trial finally concludes: one of those possibilities is that she resigns somehow (although that is highly unlikely for now). And I also just want this to be clear: she is already impeached (only the lower house can do that), but she is not yet convicted by the impeachment court (which can only be done by the upper house/senate). Vida0007 (talk) 02:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If she resigns it's a different story and a different blurb. The Senate may no longer proceed with the trial phase (just like what was done with Estrada). Howard the Duck (talk) 10:48, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The impeachment is a done deal; even if she is later actually removed from office the appointment of a new VP then should arrest concerns of ITN duplication. Gotitbro (talk) 03:27, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~:Support I agree. 64.114 etc 03:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)~~[reply]
Support I agree with you. 64.114 etc 04:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@64.114 etc You've voted twice on this nomination, please struck your first vote. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:44, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. 64.114 etc 05:17, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Gotitbro. This is the culmination of a longstanding political crisis in the Philippines and it has attracted international coverage. The impeachment trial may not be for several months. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, impeachment is significant and newsworthy in its own right. It doesn't rely on other steps in the political process to be significant. CMD (talk) 05:29, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support It is true that the Senate would have to delay proceedings because of the upcoming midterm elections, but in my view that only escalates the stakes there—all of a sudden, it also became a question of whether X would vote to impeach the vice president or not. That alone would be interesting and relevant for months to come, which easily puts it on ITN. Yo.dazo (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Added alt blurb, similar to the blurb format regarding Trump's second impeachment. Moraljaya67 (talk) 13:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent alt! ArionStar (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose/Wait. I don't think we should post impeachments when they need to be verified by another body for said person to be removed from power. It's an intermediate step in the process. We can/should post if Duarte is removed from office. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:53, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on principle My initial thought is that we should never bother posting the impeachment of a government official that isn't the head of government/state, however after reading the article it's clear that this is no ordinary impeachment, and that this is really a unique crisis impacting the government of the Philippines. Without prejudice to future impeachments of vice presidents, I support. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is seeing plenty of coverage, including follow-up and analysis articles. Banedon (talk) 05:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the Senate makes a decision. I oppose posting the beginning of the trial or if the Senate decides in her favor, although I support posting it if she is successfully impeached. --Spec tral Ion 19:18, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She is already impeached. You may be referring to the conviction which may lead to removal from office. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:01, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was referring to the senate conviction, sorry for the wording error. Spec tral Ion 04:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Simona Halep retirement

Oppose. We don't post retirement of a certain player. Moraljaya67 (talk) 07:13, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think as a prominent female figure she deserves some work QalasQalas (talk) 09:23, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Moraljaya67 Btw they posted Federer and Nadal retirement, make sense. QalasQalas (talk) 09:32, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide a link to the ITN postings for Federer and Nadal? As far as I'm aware, sports retirements are not usually posted because athletes frequently un-retire (e.g. Tom Brady). Curbon7 (talk) 09:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It never posted on ITN but I don't know if it was nominated. Moraljaya67 (talk) 10:08, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IDK if the ITN criteria have been changed but I will find the archive link. QalasQalas (talk) 10:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
have a search for ITN posting with "retire": [40]. Looks like we posted Sachin Tendulkar retiring in 2013, and nothing since 2017 comes up (and some of these are false positive results). I would also have opposed Nadal or Federer being posted, as well as literally any other sportsperson announcing retirement- because retirements can be temporary. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Moraljaya67. I'm also not sure what 'figurative sportswoman female' is supposed to tell us about this nomination. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:04, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you follow tennis you must know Halep.

only I can compare tennis men like Federer or Nadal. QalasQalas (talk) 09:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Halep didn't even win all grand slams. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:39, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb2. 🔥Jala peño🔥 contribs 10:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we don't generally post retirements of sportspeople to ITN, as they don't generally meet WP:ITNSIGNIF and can always be temporary. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. ITN has consistently declined to post sporting retirements, even for players who were widely considered the greatest ever in their sports. Halep doesn't even reach that level. We post the outcomes of major sporting tournaments, not individual careers. Modest Genius ^talk 12:30, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2025 February 4 Template:Cob

February 4

(Posted Blurb) Blurb/RD: Aga Khan IV

Support: His death event is notable. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 22:40, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivebeenhacked please note that ITNRD nominations are to be graded on quality, not notability, as all ITNRD are assumed to be notable enough to be posted. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 00:21, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy support for sure. RIP. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 23:55, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. Certainly notable (not that that matters), but the article has lots of CN tags and could use a good copy edit. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:34, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb, defining figure of Ismailism and a major political figure beyond that. Not ready as many citations are missing. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Wait on quality,~~ Support Blurb Religious leader, wealthy businessman, major and occasionally scandalous political figure~~, and an extreme lack of citations.~~ --Spec tral Ion 01:26, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lean oppose blurb as I generally oppose RDBs except for serving political leaders, but I can see the argument that he qualifies under that umbrella This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb ~~once improved~~. Leader of the second largest branch of Shia Islam with millions of adherents, with some estimates going up to 20 million. We blurbed the death of the Coptic patriarch (Wikipedia:In_the_news/Posted/March_2012#March_18), the head of a religion which has a roughly similar amount of worshipers. Quality is obviously not there though. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:27, 5 February 2025 (UTC) Article now sufficiently improved. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
15 millions, or even 20 milions is not much compared to other confessions. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Our criteria for death blurbs have changed massively since 2012, when we didn't have the RD section. If that's the only example you can find, I don't think it sets a precedent. Modest Genius ^talk 13:15, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There was also Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, a leading Twelver Shia Islam cleric in 2010 [41], Indian guru Sathya Sai Baba in 2011 [42], and Ethiopian Church head Abune Paulos was nominated in 2012 but had obvious quality issues. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:30, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb in principle once the article is ready, per Patar knight and Chaotic Enby. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:06, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb, not that well known or transformative figure. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Not ready~~ Support 17 cn. solved Grimes2 (talk) 12:19, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
comment - anyone want to propose a blurb/altblurb ? EdwardLane (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - I'm amazed that anyone seriously suggested one. Not ready for RD because there are substantial sourcing issues in the article. The quality isn't far off, but there are still too many cn tags and unsourced statements. Modest Genius ^talk 12:35, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, he was mostly known as a rich socialite and racehorse owner, who happened to have also inherited a ceremonial position in a religious sect. His religious activities seem to have mostly been limited to goodwill visits. Modest Genius ^talk 18:23, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD, article quality is now fine. I still oppose a blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 13:12, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality (and if/when quality gets there I oppose a blurb) ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:22, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality. Once improved, I'd support blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:51, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - well known and transformative figure. It's certainly on top of the front page of the big newspapers here. I'm a bit surprised that anyone would suggest we not blurb such a major religious leader. Nfitz (talk) 15:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If there is going to be a blurb then Nizari Ismaili should be a single wikilink to Nizari Isma'ilism. He wasnt the head of the entire branch of Ismaili Shia Islam, and the chainlink makes it appear as though he was. nableezy - 16:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until the article is improved, then I support a RD but oppose a blurb. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb as it is not very clear (via sourced discussion) of the legacy or impact he had, but that might be possible to add. Oppose RD due to numerous tags. Also question the need of the "The imam in Nizari Ismailism" section, that's nothing to do with the bio. Masem (t) 17:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U, IMHO, even if religious leaders (such as not only an Aga Khan, but also for example a Pope, Orthodox Patriarch, or a Dalai Lama) may not have been particularly objectively impactful or memorable, the nature of religion is such that the death of the leader of a faith will nonetheless have a global impact on millions of people who are in deep mourning. This impact is the primary source of notability, as opposed to any individual item on a legacy list - even though the Aga Khan IV has a few of those too. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:01, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Simply being a religious leader of millions doesn't show any legacy or impact, particularly if they just simply filled that roll and did little beyond that. Same would be true for a world leader of a large nation. Take the recent blurb of Jimmy Carter, where the reason the blurb passed was not for what he did as President, but what he did for humanitarian aid outside his term. Show that there is documented legacy that was more that just filling the leadership roll, and a blurb might be reasonable. — Masem (t) 19:09, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Millions of people did not subscribe to a faith system where they felt a strong spiritual connection to Jimmy Carter as the spiritual embodiment and successor of their God. There is an important and inherent difference there: you can reasonably debate the impacts of a politician, but when a cherished religious leader dies, to say "So what? I, Template:U, see nothing special about him", completely misses the point. It is not the average Wikipedian who is mourning, it is millions of Ismaili Muslims under their faith system, and that's the whole point of the blurb. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:17, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If by his leadership he brought millions of new followers to their faith, and that can be evidenced and documented, that may help. But taking leadership of what already had millions of followers and lacking any growth is just someone doing their role in the faith, and doesn't make them a major figure. — Masem (t) 19:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq I don't think many made that argument for the blurb discussion of Jimmy Carter. Most took his blurbing as a foregone conclusion, as the death of a US president is inherently notable, and reported by news sources around the world. They may have wanted to add his other work in the blurb, but his humanitarian aid was not what necessarily made him notable. Natg 19 (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb on notability. I am honestly quite surprised at the oppose votes. First, he is the figurehead and spiritual leader of millions of Ismaili Muslims. Just at a basic level, that significant global impact his death is having on those millions of people is enough to merit a blurb. But on top of that, the Aga Khan was a uniquely notable religious leader - unusually, he was both a religious leader and a billionaire who had impacts on everything from Canadian political scandals to competitive horse racing to a de facto power struggle with the Tajik government over control of an entire subset of the country. To me, this is speedy blurb material. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:54, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support blurb per arguments above, but oppose on quality due to unresolved orange tag. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. Not a transformative world leader of the Mandela/Thatcher mould. — Amakuru (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb would be justified on the basis of his being the spiritual leader of one of the main branches of Islam. Religious leaders at that level are typically blurbed if the article quality is adequate. Unfortunately, as of this comment it is not. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:54, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb on principle, oppose on quality Based on the current blurb standard, the Aga Khan meets that standard, having been the spiritual leader of well over ten million Muslims for over 60 years, a significant length of time. Other countries appeared to treat the Aga Khan almost like a foreign head of state, per the article. However, the article quality is not good enough and it doesn't look like it's going to be good enough in time for an RD, never mind a blurb. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Updated blurb to mention the new Aga Khan V. --Spec tral Ion 04:28, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 11-12 total support votes and 7 total oppose votes on notability (including weak/leaners). Widespread quality concerns among all. I will try to take a stab at improving the CN and orange tags later tonight, but it would be helpful to a consensus decision on notability if those who were on the fence or weak in their stance could reassess once improvements are made. Flip^and Flopped ツ 20:33, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken care of most of the outstanding CN tags. 3 remain. Mooonswimmer 20:39, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All remaining CN tags have been dealt with. Pinging users who explicitly opposed on quality and asking that you reassess your oppose on quality + clarify your vote on blurb notability if applicable: Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U. Flip^and Flopped ツ 01:52, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m fine with the quality now, and I maintain my support on notability. Spec tral Ion 02:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quality looks fine for me too. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:14, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I now support the RD and support a blurb, as he seems very important in Nizari Isma'ilism. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 02:29, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Important is underselling, since he is literally the head of Nizari Ismailism. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:41, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Much improved, well done, everyone. Good to go. No opinion about RD vs. blurb. Moscow Mule (talk) 02:30, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the quality is now sufficient to support RD. I still oppose a blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 13:12, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb since he was a religious leader of an Islamic sect w/tens of millions of followers. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:08, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb as a significant figure in Shi'a Islam. Comment on phrasing, however: since this is pretty much two news items at once (Aga Khan IV's death and Aga Khan V's succession) shouldn't their links be both bolded? Yo.dazo (talk) 09:45, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll update it to bold both. Spec tral Ion 18:15, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Leader of a major religious group. ArionStar (talk) 11:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb political, cultural, and economic importance magnified his standing in excess of the relatively small population of his followers. --Varavour (talk) 14:35, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Small but important, IMHO. ArionStar (talk) 15:55, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. It looks like he is more famous for being billionaire and philantropist, and also stepson of Rita Hayworth, than for being religious leader, doesn't it? BilboBeggins (talk) 22:29, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The development network he set up definitely gives him outsized influence compared to the size of the community, but the philanthropy is probably only possible through the tithing system. As for being the stepson of Rita Hayworth, there were reasons why his father was passed over in the imamate succession. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:12, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted (well, about to) – I see consensus to post a blurb. I'm just waiting for image protection to kick in and will then post this to the main page. Schwede 66 03:14, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I do not think the comma before "son" is correct, as he has more than one son (see, e.g., "The Most Comma Mistakes": "My son, John, is awesome. (If you have just one son.) But withhold the comma if not unique: My son John is awesome. (If you have more than one son.)". J3133 (talk) 10:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2025 Risbergska school shooting

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2025 February 3 Template:Cob

Wait -- no information on fatalities yet. While I know shootings are rare in Sweden, I don't think we should be posting shootings that don't result in any deaths. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 15:41, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Let the article breathe first. Second such news from Sweden this week, tragic. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 15:48, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a "second" shooting this week, we've had some bomb attacks lately, but none in schools since the bombs are tied to organized crime. The last time we had a shooting in a school was in 1961. Cart (talk) 15:56, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By second such news, I mean second such tragic news where gun was used. Previous one was killing of Salwan Momika. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 16:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, shootings outside schools are unfortunately more common these days. I was thinking of attacks involving school- and building-related things . Cart (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait There is very little information yet and no fatalities have been reported (the blurb is wrong at the moment). This is still classified as an ongoing operation and the police are not releasing any info. Once we know more, this could be ITN-worthy since this is highly unusual here in Sweden. Previous school attacks have been made with cutting weapons, and while shootings have increased in Sweden they have not taken place inside schools. Cart (talk) 15:48, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait So far only 6 injured have been confirmed (of whom 4 have gunshot injuries). Swedish media is reporting possible deaths and up to 15 injured but so far there's no confirmation. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:34, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Police have confirmed about 10 dead so far. This appears to be the deadliest mass shooting in Swedish history. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Wait~~ - there doesn't seem to be any children or even teenagers involved; that may change the equation. Nfitz (talk) 17:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a school for adults, Komvux. But the police has just confirmed there are "some 10" dead including the shooter plus the injured persons. They are busy with identifying, but will likely not release any more info until tomorrow. Cart (talk) 17:10, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I missed your ping. Yes, time for waiting is gone. Blurb is okay. Maybe update if there's the inevitable tightening of gun rules that invariably quickly follows this kind of event. Nfitz (talk) 20:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to disappoint, there won't be any such debate. Unlike the US we already have extremely strict gun laws, there are tons of rules and regulations before you can even think of owning a gun in Sweden. The problem is all the illegal and smuggled weapons. Cart (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support this is now possibly the biggest shooting/attack in Sweden ever (cf. 2017 Stockholm truck attack with 5 dead). Cart (talk) 17:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that we have the confirmation of ~10 fatalities. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 17:31, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, Swedish police have said there were around 10 fatalities, definitely notable in a country where such violence is relatively rare. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 17:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
defintely not rare. JaxsonR (talk) 00:56, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - significant mass shooting, 10 deaths. Rare in Sweden. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 17:44, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - 10 deaths is very rare for a shooting in Sweden. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:49, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support decent and notable enough. ArionStar (talk) 17:53, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Unusual event in a country/region that very rarely suffers mass shootings. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:03, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Unusual event in Sweden. High number of deaths. Well cited.BabbaQ (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cmt I wouldn't use "at least ten" in the blurb. The Swedish expression "ett tiotal", that the police is using, means 'around ten' so it can be nine too. Cart (talk) 18:07, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it should be reworded to "Around ten..." User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 18:40, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Article looks good enough now, and this sort of thing is rare in Sweden. Definitely prefer the use of "adult education center" over "school" in the blurb as school shooting generally has the connotation that children were involved ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per others, and link "an adult education centre" to Campus Risbergska. - Sebbog13 (talk) 18:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per others. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 18:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted -- KTC (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support. Was gonna nominate this myself earlier, got beat to it I suppose. TwistedAxe [contact] 20:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 3

(Posted) RD: Paul Plishka

There is now more detail sourced in the bio, just the recordings, sigh. Many are referenced by the obit given here, and I added that but was reverted by a former principal editor. As far as I can tell, record sleeves of most if not all these recordings are pictured in the Duffie interviews. Need sleep. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now last day, forget the above. I commented out recordings without ref, and ask for help returning them with ref. I wonder how we can credit the former editor who added most to the article but didn't literally "create" it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 17:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Template:@ITNA Article ok. Last day. Grimes2 (talk) 17:20, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks fine. Deserves to be posted. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 18:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, and I included the main author under updaters. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prime minister of Belgium

Weak oppose on quality. Bolded article is orange tagged. Once that is resolved, support. 🔥Jala peño🔥 contribs 13:13, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also you should probably change the article to Bart De Wever. 🔥Jala peño🔥 contribs 13:19, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I believe this is ITNR. The election from last June (which was nominated but dist post due to quality) establish which party had control, and only now have they selected their PM. Masem (t) 15:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait then Support per Jalapeno. --Spec tral Ion 18:55, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not Ready on article quality. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Propose altblurb2 and Support. I don't think we need to bold the government formation article, which is really tedious to read, and not something we usually highlight. Let's highlight Bart de Wever instead, just as we highlight Rosario Murillo on the current ITN. Khuft (talk) 21:05, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The alt blurb is better, thanks! ArionStar (talk) 15:11, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sal Maida

Oppose Article is far too stubby to be considered for ITNRD recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:06, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Added further details and sources. --RonaldH (talk) 01:04, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The given source does not verify the date of birth stated in the article. Schwede 66 02:05, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the issue. Thriley (talk) 02:07, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support charlotte ^👸♥ 07:57, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rich Dauer

Support Good sourcing and well enough length of article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:07, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article meets all requirements for RD. Grimes2 (talk) 11:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - looks good ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:53, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Looks well cited.BabbaQ (talk) 18:27, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:48, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lim Tze Peng

Oppose Orange tag for promotional content, unsourced paragraphs and "Major exhibitions" and "Awards" sections. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:17, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barbie Hsu

Agence France-Presse: Template:Tq

Note that I have quality concerns and strongly oppose a blurb. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:45, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ec I also nominated separately at about the same time. Combining here, with my nomination statement: A household name among the various Chinese speaking populations in many countries as the variety shows that she had hosted are exported to the various countries. IIRC, nothing ground breaking from her works that may warrant a blurb. News of her death just released (3 Feb). At nomination time, the article is in a bad shape, i.e. dated biographical layout; lack of references in the Works section; prose is not as expanded as it can be; lots of dating news. Will be working on this later in the night. – robertsky (talk) 04:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for sniping the RD nomination :). I'm from a Chinese family so can confirm the "household name" part. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 04:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with household name part, and the certainly unexpected death at the age of 48 warrants a blurb in my opinion, if the quality can be fixed. starship.paint (talk / cont) 11:09, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reuters: Template:Tq

BBC: Template:Tqstarship.paint (talk / cont) 11:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Updated. – robertsky (talk) 12:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose blurb Death from pneumonia at 48 is not unusual (4 million die from it each year), and being a household name is not a reason to post a blurb. No other indication of any impact or legacy on the industry. Support RD, I see only one missing source in the filmography table. Masem (t) 12:58, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added a source for that. starship.paint (talk / cont) 12:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Template:Re According to @Starship.paint's statement, the blurb could be posted as she was hugely popular around Asia. By the way, I respect the result for this blurb. Sinsyuan✍️🌏🚀 13:08, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  We absolutely should not be posting only because they were popular, that in no way shows them as a major figure in their respective field (this being SE Asian film and television). If there were other aspects of their legacy that came out from that popularity, maybe, but we have had problems with blurbs around "popular" stars in the past like Betty White and Carrie Fisher. — Masem (t) 13:12, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not in favour of a blurb BUT death from pneumonia at 48 IS unusual. I would even add that death from pneumonia at ANY age is unusual for someone in TAIWAN. Most if not all of the 4 million deaths are from much poorer countries not one of the richest Varoon2542 (talk) 03:56, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. There are hundreds of very popular actors and actresses locally, regionally and globally, and while each obviously has their merits, notoriety, and therefore ITN-worthiness, must be linked to the legacy and industry impact of their career. And I don't see that this is the case. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:16, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Alsoriano97 but RD, yes? – robertsky (talk) 13:37, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, article's quality looks good. Support RD _-_Alsor (talk) 14:18, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, leaning oppose blurb I'd actually warn people to not underestimate how well-known Meteor Garden is, but even when taking that into account I still feel like blurbing this would be akin to posting a blurb for Robbie Rotten's actor when he died. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:26, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD but oppose blurb, per others ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb per all above. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:16, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Another Gloria Moreno"? ArionStar (talk) 17:10, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn’t make that comment - not sure why you’re responding to me. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:45, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just a question. ArionStar (talk) 23:39, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And what was the point of that question, exactly? The Kip ^(contribs) 00:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That this one was nominated as a blurb in the same idea that the Glória blurb was too? ArionStar (talk) 01:55, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... This was initially nominated as a RD, with both noms (me included, since we both had an edit conflict at about the same time) explicitly stating no to having a blurb. Another editor later tested the idea of having a blurb, which clearly everyone else opposed, which isn't a big deal. Totally different from Gloria Moreno's entry. – robertsky (talk) 05:58, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To which I also opposed. @ArionStar, quite honestly I'm insulted at your implication here. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:05, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was a question not an implication, even an insult. I'm not an ITN expert, you are (I guess), that's why my question directed to you… ArionStar (talk) 22:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb as general policy against RDB This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb 5494 characters (923 words) "readable prose size", sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 18:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose Blurb per above. --Spectral Ion 19:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question Why exactly was this tagged "Needs Admin Attention"? Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 22:29, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because an admin can post RD… starship.paint (talk / cont) 22:31, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Starship.paint Right...so then it should be tagged 'Ready' per procedure. 'Needs Admin Attention' implies necessary action, either because there's a dispute gone wrong, or because there's only so long until the nomination is unlisted. We can calm down, ITN is not a news ticker. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 23:05, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Re - I was involved in updating the article, it wouldn’t be right for me to judge whether the article is ready. It would be like approving myself. starship.paint (talk / cont) 00:26, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb. Celebrities regardless of nationality go to RD. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Article is orange tagged for a too short lead. Step hen 00:42, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tag removed, BUT I still think the lead is a bit short. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 01:12, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 02:46, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Dismantling of United States Agency for International Development

Needs work Orange-tagged. And the process is a work-in-progress. As I understand it, the plan is to merge USAID into the State Department which is not exactly dismantling. But there's a legal challenge so it's not a done deal. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:39, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
re: "the plan is to merge USAID into the State Department which is not exactly dismantling." - I have not yet found a source that is convincing me there is a plan to continue the work of USAID under the State Department. The linked AP source claims "In the space of a few weeks, in fact, much of the agency was dismantled — work and spending ordered stopped, leadership and staff gutted by furloughs, firings and disciplinary leaves, and the website taken offline. Lawmakers said the agency’s computer servers were carted away."

I totally agree that United States Agency for International Development needs work to bring it up to date with developments over the past few days but think the blurb and inclusion in ITN is still sound. Eyesinthefire (talk) 22:58, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq

Template:Url — hako9 (talk) 23:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-5287053/usaid-trump-overseas-withdrawal

The boots on the ground work is being immediately stopped - if that's not "dismantling" I'm not sure what is. Eyesinthefire (talk) 02:26, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reading around the topic, it seems that such restructuring is not especially unusual. Previous Presidents have had a go at this – see Foreign Policy Agency Reorganization in the 105th Congress, for example. In the UK, I find that the Department for International Development was merged into the Foreign Office in 2020 and something similar has happened before. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose endorse AD's reason. — hako9 (talk) 22:46, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we wouldn't post any other country's internal governmental reorganisation. Step hen 23:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I should hope we would if it was a reorganization that dismantled an org contributing 10s of billions of dollars to international humanitarian aid. Eyesinthefire (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is a huge list of things happening within the US govt that most are calling a constitutional crisis, focusing on one action is very much inappropriate for ITN. Nor would I suggest anything ongoing until we start seeing either violence protests or other actions (eg something along the lines of what could have been a trade war between the US, Canada, and Mexico). --Masem (t) 02:48, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Masem. Not everything Trump does is ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:25, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good faith nom. There may come a point where what is going on in Trump world will warrant notice at ITN. But I don't think we are there yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ad Orientem (talk • contribs) 19:14, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose a local departmental reorganization and consolidation is not ITN. Nfitz (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Victor Menezes

Template:Close top Template:ITN candidate

Three times "citation needed" is a problem. Schwede 66 02:00, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2025 Sheffield school stabbing

Oppose Very local news and, whilst tragic, hardly unusual. I have removed the image from this nomination as it was non-free. Black Kite (talk) 08:38, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - this seems almost trivial. Why is there no nomination comment, User:TheSwagger13? Nfitz (talk) 15:30, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominate and Support - I didn't know how to make one at first -- but the reason I have uploaded this is because multiple news reports have documented this. TheSwagger13 (talk) 16:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Tragic for those affected but ITN cannot blurb every murder around the world. This is minor news even in the UK press. I'm not convinced this is even notable enough to have an article, per WP:NCRIME and WP:EVENTCRIT. Modest Genius ^talk 16:22, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Unfortunately, knife attacks are frequent news in the United Kingdom, and tragic ≠ automatic ITN qualification. Nothing extraordinary like mass protests or civil unrest has come with this, and it is not one of the worst incidents of this nature in the country. I echo the concern that the event linked here doesn't qualify for an article either. --Billclinton1996 (talk) 20:26, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Close bottom

February 2

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(Posted) RD: Helga de Alvear

Support Needed some copyediting which I have assisted with; referenced and meets minimum standards for depth. Spencer^T•C 21:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 01:55, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harry Stewart Jr.

Support No major issues with article that I can note. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 22:24, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, detailed and sourced --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reference 11, which gives the source for his date of birth, doesn't work for me. And either way, it appears that this was a user-generated website. That won't do for referencing a DoB. Schwede 66 01:49, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a couple of new footnotes there, for news articles as REFs for his date and place of birth. Hope this helps. -- PFHLai (talk) 11:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted A great hero. Memory eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:49, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Brian Murphy

Oppose, until that lengthy filmography section is sourced: see also Marianne Faithfull. It is easier for a newly created stub-plus to go through the eye of a needle than for an article created 20 years ago to enter into the kingdom of RD. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Verily. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sad truth. -- PFHLai (talk) 11:44, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Filmography tables still unsourced. Ditto for bullet-points after the tables. There are also a few footnote-free short paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Marion Wiesel

Weak Support - Article is well cited but it is just barely not a stub. I'm on the fence if it is long enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:10, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Article has been expanded. Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 18:54, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Adequate, and it developed nicely after nomination. Could use a paragraph of prose on her passing, is all. Moscow Mule (talk) 04:21, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - well cited and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 17:50, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 20:49, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Grammy Awards

~~Wait~~ The lead section is under development. ArionStar (talk) 06:13, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Better now. ArionStar (talk) 12:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Still far too little prose regarding the ceremony to post. — Masem (t) 12:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article has a extensive content of the event. ArionStar (talk) 13:03, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As often pointed out for award shows and sports championships, we are expected to have a significant amount of prose around the ceremony or game, not just lots of information in tables. — Masem (t) 13:45, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - article lacks prose about ceremony ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:43, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Significant music event and ITNR. Article is in good shape, added alt blurb that mentions Chappell Roan. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:18, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks better now for a famous event. 64.114 etc 17:25, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt in principle, oppose on quality for now - There's an overwhelming mass of tables, and virtually no prose about the ceremony. The reporting on this event has included coverage of participants' speeches, both from the podium and to the press separately; the range of outfits worn (or in one case not worn) on the red carpet, the quality of the presentation, and so on. This article has none of that, and it needs it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:40, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The alt is not good, as we only feature the record and album of the year per ITNR Masem (t) 18:06, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we Template:Tquote include ROTY and SOTY, why'd you mention SOTY (and other unnamed awards) in the initial blurb? ROTY, SOTY, AOTY and BNA are considered the major four awards of the Grammys; with consensus, I believe including all four would be okay, if not better. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:48, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Someone edited my original blurb. I known I only put Album and Record per ITNR. --Masem (t) 02:34, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support first blurb — I think only Record and Album of the year should be part of the blurb in the interest of conciseness, since SOTY has the same winner I don't have any problems with it being lumped in. I'm not convinced we need to also include Best New Artist, though. No comment on article quality. DecafPotato (talk) 22:11, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They are general fields. ArionStar (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

very obviously a chappell fan lol Sheila1988 (talk) 09:50, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was particularly waiting for the RAYE's victory. ArionStar (talk) 23:07, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but I think the article needs some cleaning up. More ceremony information would be nice. And, agreeing with @DecafPotato, the blurb would be better without the SOTY and Best New Artist mentions. There should be a photo of Kendrick. AndrewGarfieldIsTheBestSpiderMan (talk) 02:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and remove from ITNR. Theres way too much pop culture that isnt "news" featured here. nableezy - 04:43, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It's called "In the News", not "News", as we feature a wide range of topics across all knowledge areas as long as they reported in the news and of quality. Not that the current article here is of quality, but the Grammys are considered the pinnacle of contemporary music recognition, and completely fair for areas that WP covers. --Masem (t) 04:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I’m well aware of what it’s called, and I’m well aware of your position on what this section of the main page should feature, and I disagree. It is a trade show, voted on by a some 13,000 people, and it is as interesting or engaging as the latest episode of Keeping up with the Kardashians or whatever their latest show is called. No serious encyclopedia would feature the yearly awards show of such a scale in such a way. Cover it sure, but blurbed on the main page? Pass. nableezy - 06:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support first blurb - well cited and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 11:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there is still virtually no prose about the ceremony or winners. Almost all of the existing prose in the article was there prior to Sunday. Please stop marking this as ready until updates are made. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:03, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb I think mentioning the new artist award is the most "news" component about it (her being literally "new", in the name of the award, corresponding to "ITN"...). Neutral/weak support current article on the quality issue, as I disagree that needing a ton of prose beyond "who won what" is strictly necessary for the article to meet minimum standards. People can go the article for the artist or for the song/album if they want to learn more about it. Flip^and Flopped ツ 03:34, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support put it in already Personisinsterest (talk) 01:38, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 04:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 World Men's Handball Championship

Oppose I’d like to see more prose on the games themselves - it’s a lot of tables at the moment. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Handball is a fairly popular globally played sport and so its world championship should be included in the ITN section like most other widely played sports' championships do. Pluma (talk) 03:24, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tqq Curbon7 (talk) 10:21, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Too many tables and not enough prose for ITN recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:26, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose completely lacking in prose about the matches themselves. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:11, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. As Pluma said, handball is fairly popular, and globally played. 64.114 etc 17:28, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per Curbon7, since this is ITN/R, we are only discussing the quality of the article - which isn't that good - so I also oppose ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:21, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, still lacking prose as of today. ITN/R means significance is already assumed to be there, which is expected for a world championship in a major sport. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:44, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready. The article starts promisingly, with prose on the bidding and qualification process, but when it comes to the actual tournament all we get are tables. There need to be multiple paragraphs of referenced prose describing what happened in the games. Modest Genius ^talk 16:29, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tony Martin

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2025 February 1 Template:Cob

Not Quite Ready There are a couple CN tags for fairly important claims of fact. They will need cites before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Template:Ping These have now been sorted and removed. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support Looks good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support Looks ok. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 03:16, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

February 1

RD: Fay Vincent

Oppose Quite a few unsourced statements throughout the article, and the Life after baseball section is orange tagged. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:28, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zakia Jafri

~~Needs Work!~~: Copyedit, as well as expansion may be needed to satisfy WP:ITNQUALITY. 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 09:58, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD: Ready for RD, as many issues have now been resolved. Khaatir (talk) 12:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I see no issue with the article's quality as of right now. Looks good to go for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 11:30, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Not a huge article but looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:25, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I gave it a once over yesterday, I believe it's now good enough if a bit sparse. I won't mark this ready myself, as I'm the nominator. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 01:27, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Second Trump tariffs

Support on Tuesday (when they are set to take effect) — I'd usually oppose ITN posting Trump's numerous actions but this is a major move from the world's largest economy on its three largest trading partners that could completely reshape global supply routes and production. DecafPotato (talk) 23:56, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — I've added an altblurb that I'd prefer. DecafPotato (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2025 (UTC) Changing my support to alt blurbs covering the retaliatory tariffs as well. DecafPotato (talk) 06:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on Tuesday per DecafPotato. Major action of the many done by Trump. This may affect and reshape the economy of many countries. 00:04, 2 February 2025 (UTC) Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 00:04, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Significant since the US is alienating all of its allies. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 00:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you are going to go off-topic @SimpleSubCubicGraph and violate Wikipedia rules, then perhaps you should read-up on what happened the last time the USA pulled this stunt in 1930, turning a recession into the Great Depression. Nfitz (talk) 07:04, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until Tuesday to post, then support posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 00:17, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the precise details tariffs and expected retaliatory tariffs are known, then support an altblurb incorporating details of the retaliation as well. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:21, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the tariffs actually take effect (because we don't have precise details yet), and altblurb per Patar Knight above. Black Kite (talk) 00:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, as the larger story is the expected tariffs that Canada and Mexico have suggested they will impose as a result, creating a trade war, which is the much larger story, and would need to be different article (or a refocusing of the current). If Canada and/or Mexico does nothing, and the story is only the tariffs set by Trump, I would oppose this, as there's a bunch more other stuff that Trump has done already in office that is subjectively more harmful. I seriously doubt that neither Canada or Mexico will do anything but we need to be more focused on the larger story here, that of the international situation. (We already have had tariffs on China, they have put their own in reverse, but that was basically a blink of the eye in terms of headlines). --Masem (t) 00:53, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until Tuesday as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Until tariffs go into effect Personisinsterest (talk) 02:30, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until Tuesday when we see if the USA backs down again, or further retaliates as they've promised too. And to see the list of what Canada and Mexico have put tariffs on. Nfitz (talk) 03:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until Tuesday per above.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 03:52, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would support with retargeting to 2025 United States–Canada–Mexico trade war instead per Template:No ping and Template:No ping below. The Second Trump Tariffs article is not NPOV, the more general article about the trade conflict is better.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 17:26, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support this Personisinsterest (talk) 17:49, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for Tuesday per above. A lot could happen between now and then. Mexico and Canada are already announcing retaliatory measures. And we have yet to hear from China. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:55, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Ministry of Commerce, China will file a case against the U.S. in the World Trade Organization and "take corresponding countermeasures". elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:21, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I will be interested to see how Wall Street takes all of this when the markets open on Monday morning. At least one of the super banks seems to be rigging for foul weather. JP Morgan Chase is airlifting $4 billion in gold bullion to its New York vaults. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:29, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for Tuesday, and the article needs to be expanded (and likely retitled) to reflect the entire trade war - not simply Trump's tariffs, but the responses by both Canada and Mexico, before posting it. In other words, oppose on completeness until the full reaction by Canada/Mexico is accounted for. And then oppose current blurbs for being too US centric. Donald Trump does not even need to be mentioned - this is a full on trade war between three countries, and there should be no special treatment of one. Recommend the following as a blurb: Template:Tq - needs some workshopping, but needs to include all three countries and the fact they retaliate. The exact percentage/scope of the tariffs is not important. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:08, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support new altblurb 2 with retaliatory tariffs~~ per berchanhimez. Not sure how to word it semantically, but the blurb needs to make clear this is now an active trade war, as opposed to one-way tariffs by the USA on these three countries. The retaliatory tariffs are essential to paint a full picture; the current blurb is misleading by telling only 50% of the story. Flip^and Flopped ツ 05:16, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Put in an altblurb 2. Per above, feel free to edit the verbiage if someone can think of a better way to phrase it - I just think it is important the retaliatory tariffs are mentioned for NPOV purposes. Flip^and Flopped ツ 05:21, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now that I think it, perhaps adding a small note about the scope would be useful. Rather than the percent, I'd consider adding "universal" or "near universal" - to clarify for people reading the blurb that they are on all (or almost all) items that are being traded, rather than targeted at specific industries/problematic companies/etc. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 05:51, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think "near-universal" would be good to include DecafPotato (talk) 06:12, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added that to the alt. Also, friendly reminder to all that changing the initial indentation between colons : and asterisks * can break screen readers among other aspects of accessibility, and is able to be fixed by anyone, so I've done so here throughout this thread. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 06:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Lots of quality problems with the nominated article including an orange cleanup tag. The article has poor tone and weak content and its scope is unclear. The topic seems so mired in ongoing US politics that early and easy resolution seems unlikely. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:17, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as this is very likely only the opening salvo of a broader trade war. Canada, Mexico and China will probably retaliate, leading to a tit for tat. And the EU may be slapped with tariffs any day as well, leading to more of the same... Yakikaki (talk) 10:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — I've created 2025 United States trade war with Canada and Mexico, which focuses on the U.S. trade war with Canada and Mexico specifically instead of on Trump's tariff policy more broadly. I think it would probably be better suited for the ITN blurb. DecafPotato (talk) 11:33, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support with retarget to 2025 United States–Canada–Mexico trade war, which is well written and in good shape. RachelTensions (talk) 14:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added altblurb 3 with new target article. Pinging users who opposed on quality or prior blurb phrasing to see if they now support with the new target article, because I think we should have this lined up for a Tuesday posting if there is consensus on notability: Template:U, Template:U, Template:U, Template:U. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Too many tags on it and seems a standard, albeit harsh, act in world geopolitics that's just getting a little more attention because of the one man whom is imposing them. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:44, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Standard act? On a Canada-USA perspective, this is anything but standard, with nothing comparable since Hoover did similar to trigger the Great Depression. Trump has been pretty clear about wanting to acquire Canada by economic force; the only thing that's comparable to that is the Russian invasion of Ukraine. So far though, this is just a threat. We need to wait. Nfitz (talk) 19:57, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
STRONG oppose The article is absolutely WOEFUL with no data on the tariffs themselves.

However, also mention the retaliation (For which canada's is explicit and mexico is due)Sportsnut24 (talk) 17:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, then Support for alt3. This is going to be the start of a long and transformative trade war, and deserves to be featured on ITN. We should wait until Tuesday to post it Hungry403 (talk) 21:40, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Given that Trump is now rambling about imposing tariffs on the EU and possibly the UK, we could be here for a while; perhaps this might be best as an Ongoing? Black Kite (talk) 08:37, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If Trump saying things was the standard then Donald Trump would have been pinned to Ongoing for the past nine-and-a-half years. DecafPotato (talk) 10:19, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
He is the one who is playing a big role in forming these policies now, isn't he? Black kite suggests clubbing further tariffs he imposes on countries with this tariff war. If you mean that he is just not going to do that and speaking for no reason, state that. - 𝓔xclusive𝓔ditor _{Ping Me🔔} 10:24, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that, like I said in my comment earlier in this thread, Trump says a lot of stuff and he comparatively does a lot less. If the U.S. actually imposes tariffs on the E.U. and U.K., then yeah I'd support that, but words are not actions and shouldn't be posted to ITN. DecafPotato (talk) 10:57, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - unless and until anything actually happens. Mexico's president is now saying that Trump has agreed to postpone the imposition of tariffs on Mexico for a month following a call between the two (see here). Until something actually happens there is nothing to feature here. nableezy - 15:38, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, Trump has said that he will delay tariffs on Mexico for a month, so we'll see if anything major happens there. If the situation with Canada or China escalates, however, I would support a ITN blurb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chorchapu (talk • contribs) 17:16, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support What makes it even more significant is that Canada is fighting back with counter-tariffs. 64.114 etc 17:29, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
comment Mexico tarriffs are NOT going into effect tomorrow. nbc 49.206.5.189 (talk) 18:25, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Change to oppose Per Justin Trudeau, the Canada tariffs are now delayed by 30 days as well, in addition to the Mexico tariffs. The sheerly ridiculous and stressful nature of this entire thing has also led to difficulties with how we now treat this nom. In retrospect, it is certainly good we did not blurb early. Is the entire international relations snafu and stock market crash blurb-worthy? Are the China tariffs alone blurb-worthy? Maybe, but this discussion is too muddled now, so I think we need to have a separate renomination for either the China tariff alone or for the "incident" if people want to blurb that. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the future if we have Trump or any world leader saying X will happen in a short period from now (days to a few weeks) where there are clear international effects like a trade war, we should not entertain that as an ITNC until it actually happens. Or we should have a "vetting" process that helps to focus the target article to be close to ready when it does)(like here making sure the trade war article was the focus and not just the US tariffs). Dunno how we can easily do the latter. — Masem (t) 22:13, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we've done anything wrong in this case; having an article ready but not posting unless the thing actually happens seems to be the best possible solution. DecafPotato (talk) 22:19, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, on account of new information that neither the Canada nor Mexico tariffs are going into effect, at least currently. The way I see it, these are much bigger potentially than the China tariff, on account of the fact that they're not anything new with this administration in particular, and more expected. I also think that the situation, broadly speaking, does not measure up. Had the concessions Mexico and Canada offered been larger, maybe, but they are more or less just better border enforcement, which is non a non-story, but also events that would largely go unnominated here had they occurred otherwise. No prejudice against posting a month from now if the tariffs happen anyway, but right now I think the standoff has thawed some. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:45, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think if 20,000ish troops started advancing on both sides of the country otherwise, it'd get nominated even quicker. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:49, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Tariffs canceled for Mexico and Canada. Johndavies837 (talk) 23:15, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess we're gonna have to wait until March until they may or may not take effect? Very strange situation. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:50, 3 February 2025 (UTC) Template:Abot[reply]

(Closed) Southern California Wildfires contained

Oppose We're not a news ticker, just because an event is being widely reported doesn't make it ITN appropriate. We've covered the wildfires already and we've never posted the "end" of previous wildfires. Masem (t) 20:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Masem ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 21:34, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. Spectral Ion 23:07, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. The fires and damage caused by the fires were the story. Natg 19 (talk) 05:14, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Omdurman market attack

Support: The event has articles about it from several news stations worldwide. While I think there could be more larger sources in the news sources it is still a WAR CRIME and is a part of the greater escalation of the Battle of Khartoum and the overall war itself. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 15:50, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Horrific, but it’s covered by the ongoing item. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:06, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Such shelling seems to be a regular feature of the fighting for this city. See Battle of Khartoum (2023–present). Andrew🐉(talk) 16:29, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correcting/adding nomination header. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 17:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Horrible/horrific event, now becoming internationally known and being transmitted by some of the most reliable sources worldwide. Big escalation as stated before, and shelling is becoming progressively worse now with hundreds affected. NuestroBrasil (talk) 17:46, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - @The Kip just because its covered by ongoing does not mean significant events cant be covered in ITN, biggest example is Israel-Palestine. Support because 56 people dying is very signifcant. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SimpleSubCubicGraph we haven’t posted any Gaza war blurbs outside of the initial attacks and the ceasefire, which de facto ended the war for now. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:16, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the Sudanese Civil War, a massacre that occurred after the Battle of Geneina was blurbed. However, that massacre was much deadlier than this attack. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I remember nominating that specific occurance. That massacre if I'm sure killed over 10,000-20,000+ but there is to note that was the last time any article connected with the Sudanese civil war was blurbed at all. Also like this happening it was transmitted and made known by several reliable sources. At the end of the day these are two horrible occurances.Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 20:58, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per The Kip and Andrew Davidson. Covered by ongoing and in a battle that has claimed the lives of 60,000+ so far, this unfortunately doesn’t seem too out of the ordinary… though I wish I could say otherwise. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 19:13, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per The Kip, Andrew, and mike_gigs, both sides of the Sudanese Civil War are sadly committing atrocities all of the time and this is simply one of them, most likely not even the most major. --Spectral Ion 19:24, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support While I've been away from Wikipedia for quite some time I've looked into wars recently and this war crime as stated by @Vamos Palmeiras is quite grave and while it might not be rare in the conflict as a whole, it is rare in Khartoum which is having as also said before a ESCALATION in the battle. In the article it is also stated that the Rapid Support Forces are aiming to retake territory and most likely this was perpetrated by them to start this campaign. This is what I may call the start of a Butterfly effect! Subaru2000 (talk) 20:07, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lean support given the media coverage over and above the rest of the war This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:28, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support and any number of Russia Ukraine war events were posted while it remained in ongoing. Significant event and merits a blurb. nableezy - 23:26, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nableezy as far as I can recall, we only posted the Bucha massacre - we didn’t post the Kharkiv/Kherson counteroffensives or the Kursk offensive, among other notable events of the war. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Along with the Putin ICC arrest warrant off the top of my head. And relatedly the Wagner Group head plane crash. nableezy - 01:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that the sinking of the Moskva was also posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Such incidences are routine in total wars. Exceptions should be truly exceptional, such as when we posted the discovery of several thousand massacred civilians in the aftermath of the Battle of Geneina. Curbon7 (talk) 02:36, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As an example, RSF forces bombed a hospital just last week, killing 70 people. In December, another market was bombed killing at least 100. Curbon7 (talk) 21:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Routine in total war. Sushidude21! (talk) 07:11, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The event was now also condemned by the United Nations due to being a distinct attack against the civilian population. Sources: 1. (Malaysia Sun)2.(Ahram) NuestroBrasil (talk) 01:13, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: UN declares the attack as a war crime. ArionStar (talk) 17:08, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This rare, horrific event claimed 56 lives (that’s a lot) and is getting coverage by global news sources all around the world. 64.114 etc 17:32, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ready? ArionStar (talk) 12:19, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The current "vote count" is 8–6 in favor of posting. Though ITN is not a vote, this seems to indicate no consensus for posting. Natg 19 (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:U, this is not a rare event in this war. Above I listed two attacks on civilians from the past two months of this war with even higher casualty figures. Curbon7 (talk) 03:58, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support well cited and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 15:58, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unlike Natg 19, I don't see a consensus to post. I shall also point out that this rather brief article is internally inconsistent:

Template:Tq (lead)
Template:Tq (body)

That's not the finest work that Wikipedia has to offer. Schwede 66 01:39, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if my wording was confusing. I also did not find consensus. Natg 19 (talk) 07:21, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Horst Köhler