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Welcome to the drive!

Welcome, welcome, welcome PamD! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Fix a random page lacking sources

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Nominating for deletion

Mandell Creighton

Hello Pam D, Can I enlist your help, please? Not wishing to start an editing dispute, over my recent fair additions to Mandell Creighton's article, mainly, the omission of his wife's image and the important project she founded in her husband's memory in Lillie Road, Fulham, i.e. "Bishop Creighton House", could you look and see if the recent 'trims' of my work are over-zealous, not to say proprietorial. In fact, they make me laugh. Nevertheless, your judgment in the matter would be appreciated when you have a moment. Many thanks, Po Mieczu (talk) 00:04, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

I've made a bit of a change, as a compromise between your version and the over-trimmed one, and a comment on the disappearance of the photo. The Lillie Road article could perhaps have a bit more about the settlement, rather than just a list entry and an image? PamD 08:49, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Could I also recommend that you create a user page - even if it only contains a single full stop. There's a tendency for editors to see, perhaps even subliminally, "red linked editor = new / inexperienced / odd", and also I often edit on my phone and from there it is very difficult to see the contributions record of an editor without a user page, which I wanted to do to see your range of editing interests. (Mobile editing is a bit of a nightmare, but is convenient for me at some times of day). PamD 08:56, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your helpful remarks and actions. I see, as doubtless you did, that these have been trimmed too! Hmm, certain psychological proclivities come to mind. I shall act on your suggestion around the full stop. Best wishes, Po Mieczu (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

I see signs of WP:OWNership, but I suppose that's inevitable if one is trying to get something to FA: it just looks as if FA criteria about elegant spacing etc are overweighing actual "is the reader likely to find this interesting or useful" criteria: I think the pic with his name for the house, and also the info showing that the charity is alive and well and an officially registered charity, are worthwhile, but I'm afraid I haven't the energy to fight further. PamD 23:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Hello again. Like you, having lacked energy of late, I did not follow up your recommendation re User profile until now. I have made a start. Thanks, Po Mieczu (talk) 00:32, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Back after a pause, on this Mum's Day and have ventured back onto the Mandell Creighton Talk page. I think there's an error in the infobox. I'm not an Anglican, but don't clergy have to be ordained before being consecrated bishop? In this case the consecration appears to be 1891 and the ordination in 1893. Maybe I have misunderstood something in the order of Church play. Btw thanks to you, I have expanded on the full stop on my own Talk Page and am now all in blue like a newish UK passport! Best wishes, Po Mieczu (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Po Mieczu Text of article shows ordination 1873, but I'll leave it to the article's apparent Owner to fix it: I see you've raised it on talk page. PamD 18:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Precisely. Thank you for your eagle-eye. Po Mieczu (talk) 20:30, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

February and March music

For curious page-watchers: we're talking about the recently-deceased Simon Lindley. PamD 19:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

story · music · places

Thank you for a decent ref for Lindley and for your support for the composer, with spring flowers and a songbird (in places)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt I sang under him for a few years when he was chorus-master and conductor for Leeds College of Music Choral Society. Exciting and infuriating. Seen in his element at the annual Carol concert in Leeds Parish Church (now Minster), conducting the combined forces of that CLCM choir, his elite St Peter's Singers, the choral foundation of the parish church (men, boys, and even girls), and a top-notch brass band. My father (1917-2009) once came across to Leeds to join a "come and sing" Messiah conducted by SL, and said he'd never sung it so fast before! A sad loss to Leeds, where he made so much music. I'm sure there will be more good obits in solid sources, given a few days. And I wonder whether the RFC will end up changing (for the better) a longstanding situation: very interesting. PamD 18:30, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing! Can you please begin improving his article? - I'd like that tag to go, and the obit could be used for more than his death (while Bach Cantatas should eventually go to the external links). I plan to get him to main page standard tomorrow, - I almost gave up on that idea with just the short obit, but what you added was a game changer. - Today I want to focus of the last of Bach's chorale cantatas that needs improvements to be GA, composed for this Sunday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

story · music · places

Thank you so much for adding! I gave him a first run-through, taking more from the obit. I skipped some passages, such as about his influence on the young people with whom he worked, because I don't have enough language ability to paraphrase that while retaining the meaning. Could you? There's a sentence at the very end without ref, which I commented out because I nominated for RD, and lack of refs is the first thing they check ;) - Please check what I did, and feel free to modify and expand further. I'll turn to garden work and the cantata before thinking of a second round. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

He already got support. Thank you also for giving a few examples. Laurence Olivier is of particular interest to me because there was an RfC (and also because I was taken to AE for asking if really the principal editors should decide). Almost all recent composer's FAs also have an infobox: Carl Nielsen (2015), Osbert Parsley (2022), Robert Schumann (2024, had it before FAC), Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji (2020), Igor Stravinsky (2024), Artemy Vedel (2022). Discussions were also for Mozart, Mendelssohn, Wagner, Debussy and Mahler, - Mozart, Mandelssohn and Wagner received an infobox, Debussy and Mahler not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

I got side-tracked onto the "Leeds Award" which SL got, which I hadn't heard of - found a list of recipients and the fact that Jimmy Savile was given it and it was posthumously rescinded and his name removed from the wall of fame in Leeds Civic Hall! Working on it and its recipients in my sandbox. And as yesterday was the 1st of the month I want to crack on with the month's contributions to WP:Women in Red. (And I ought to be sorting out paperwork, garden, housework... etc). Not to mention rehearsing and recording for Choir of the Earth (COTE) (hmm, that section needs an update - not least that it's now become part of Earth Choir Academy, which needs a mention and a redirect). PamD 15:12, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

I know the feeling. Wanted to ask for expanding the choir articles, but better keep my mouth shut. Nice to see him on the Main page. Also there today: Carmen turning 150, as the main page and my story tell you. I chose a 1962 concert of the Habanera, - enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

On Ravel's birthday, we also think of a conductor and five more composers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Today I could have written five stories off the main page, and chose Sofia Gubaidulina. I find the TFA also interesting, and two DYK, and a birthday OTD. How about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't always look at the main page. Today spent a bit of time updating a couple of articles about US National Monuments which DT has decided to abolish. And found another example to include in my old favourite The Boy with the Leaking Boot which I created ages ago. And I ought to have been cleaning the house ahead of my book group meeting here in a couple of days, when I've got two very busy days lined up between now and then! PamD 22:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing! - I had busy days on vacation, keep looking at places. Today: an opera, 100 years old OTD, on Bach's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Today, 300 years of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1! We sang works for (mostly) double choir by Pachelbel, Johann Christoph Bach, Kuhnau/Bach, Gounod and Rheinberger! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Simon Lindley

On 2 March 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Simon Lindley, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 16:56, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Katlyr

I don't know if there is any option other than to block this good faith editor. Or maybe better ANI which is for "r chronic, intractable behavioral problems.". Doug Weller talk 10:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

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Mary Eyles Gubbins

Thank you for the work on Gubbins'. But, it is in danger of either going to draft or being deleted. I think the stub is OK, but others may not and its status is very fragile. Can you help and find other references to ensure notability; I failed after repeated efforts. Thanks Mwinog2777 (talk) 18:01, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

A little persistence, and searching Google Books just for the book titles, found a few refs. I've expanded the article substantially - and spent far too much of my day on it, but then that's Wikipedia! PamD 21:43, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

As you did, spent a lot of time on it. But didn't get as far as you did. I thank you so much for saving the site.Mwinog2777 (talk) 22:39, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Bloody Scotland

Hi Pam, thanks for creating a page for Bloody Scotland! TimDuncan (talk) 11:34, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@TimDuncan Thanks for the thanks! I see from my record (on my user page) that I created it after Francine Toon's Pine (which won the McIlvanney Prize) was my reading group's book one month! (I'm so glad that I keep that list, because otherwise I wouldn't have a clue what inspired a lot of my page creations - sometimes something heard on Radio 4, sometimes a red link which looks as if it should be blue, etc). PamD 12:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

PS: It's always helpful to link any page you're talking about, like Bloody Scotland, for the convenience of both the person you're addressing and any passing inquisitive page-watchers. PamD 12:33, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Lucerys Velaryon Character

Hello PamD,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Lucerys Velaryon Character for deletion, because it's a redirect from an article title to a namespace that's not for articles.

If you don't want Lucerys Velaryon Character to be deleted, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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