Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

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XFD backlog

V	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Total
CfD	0	0	40	0	40
TfD	0	1	21	0	22
MfD	0	1	0	0	1
FfD	0	1	15	0	16
RfD	0	0	25	0	25
AfD	0	0	5	0	5

Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

• If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
• If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
• If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
• Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When to delete a redirect for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

• Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
• Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
• Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

• The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
• Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
• If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
• Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
• RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
• Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
• In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When to delete a redirect

Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes and Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving over a redirect

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

• a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
• if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion § Redirects

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met:

1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles" (itself a redirect to "Article"), it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Banana". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
10. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
11. If the redirect ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not target a disambiguation page or a page performing a disambiguation-like function (such as a set index of articles). Speedy deletion criterion G14 may apply.

Reasons for not deleting

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. Please tag these with {{R from old history}}. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled 2006 dismissal of U.S. attorneys. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

STEP I.	Tag the redirect(s).   Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page. Please do not mark the edit as minor (m). Please include in the edit summary the phrase: Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]. Save the page ("Publish changes"). If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page. If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If it is an inline template, use |showontransclusion=tiny instead. If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated and specify on {{rfd}} the nomination's group heading from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion
STEP II.	List the entry on RfD.  Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries. Enter this text below the date heading: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~ For this template: Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=. Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=). Please use an edit summary such as: Nominating [[RedirectName]] (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating). To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~ If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.	Notify users.   It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template {{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~ may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

• Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list

August 3

Football World Cup -

• Football World Cup - → FIFA World Cup  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't see the purpose of "-" behind the title A1Cafel (talk) 03:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

August 2

DJVI

• DJVI → Geometry Dash#Music  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Unrelated uses exist at German trawler V 206 Otto Bröhan for a ship callsign and at DjVu for an element of the file format. 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:08, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Time for a history dive! The section that contained references to DJ-Nate and DJVI is NOT the Music section that currently exists; these redirects were created to reference a Music section that was deleted in July of 2023 for being completely uncited. The current Music section was added in April of this year, and as noted does not contain reference to either artist.

Prior to all of that, though, the DJVI redirect had two stints of being an attempt at an article; the first time was a short unformatted paragraph, the second time was as a fully formatted article. Unfortunately, neither had sources and they were then reverted back to the redirect-- the latter fully-formatted but unsourced version after a mere 30 minutes. If you guys wanna restore this version, go right ahead. (No prejudice to sending it directly to AfD, of course.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:09, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Huh. I went to notify the users who made the DJVI article and who reverted it respectively; the latter is a WP:dead Wikipedian and the former is... someone who doesn't have a user page or talk page (somehow???) and whose only footprint on Wikipedia at all ever-- no block, no other edits, nothing-- was making this article that got reverted by someone else within 30 minutes. What. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

@Lunamann, do you prefer restoring or just don't oppose, I'm confused by your wording here. Rusalkii (talk) 19:59, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as related content was reverted. The BLARd unsourced (except for social media handles) bio needn't be kept. If user Iemand990 requests the content back later, an admin can provide it. Although the term is unambiguous on enwiki for the German trawler, I don't think it is useful as a redirect. Jay 💬 08:03, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

2026 NASCAR Cup Series

• 2026 NASCAR Cup Series → NASCAR Cup Series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Page can probably be made soon but WP:RFD#DELETE 10, not mentioned at target Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 20:42, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Just realized this was nominated before, closed as delete last year. Would it be eligible for speedy? Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 20:42, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

it sounded very TOOSOON to me, and sure enough, when i looked at the page history, it was draftified for that Oreocooke (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Trevor J. Bredenkamp

• Trevor J. Bredenkamp → United States Army Military District of Washington#List of commanders  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Respectfully opening a deletion discussion on this redirect. For a time, Major General Bredenkamp commanded the unit which the target article refers to, but that is no longer the case; he relinquished command on July 21, 2025. As MG Bredenkamp is not personally or notably identified with this unit beyond ordinary personnel assignments, the redirect could prove confusing for others. He has since assumed command of the U.S. Army War College. SuperWIKI (talk) 16:11, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

DWMY

• DWMY → Bombo Radyo Philippines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No longer mentioned of "DWMY" at target after being subject BLARed in 2024. Delete to encourage article creation per WP:REDYES. 49.151.187.185 (talk) 09:45, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Somno

• Somno → Zolpidem  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Somno" is unmentioned at this target. "somno-" appears to be a prefix meaning "sleep", but when someone says "somno" and only "somno" (without a -), you're no longer dealing with a prefix User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:48, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep. "Somno" is brand of zolpidem made by Saval Pharmceuticals, a Chilean firm [1]. It might be worth mentioning at the target. Tevildo (talk) 13:36, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Soul of Asia

• Soul of Asia → Seoul  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous, soul of Asia varies in different people/country A1Cafel (talk) 03:56, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Seoul Street Art Festival. An image has been added with this pun slogan (the addition of a caption or prose elaborating could also provide insight to readers regarding the topic). This generally seems to be what is referred to most commonly by this phrase in notable search results, and we now have content related to it. It can be disambiguated later should we find more ways to cover the topic. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 06:57, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Issues of Toronto

• Issues of Toronto → Toronto  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Issues in Toronto, Ontario → Toronto  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There were lots of issues in Toronto including environemnt, should not be a redirect towards the mainpage A1Cafel (talk) 03:25, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

• Issues of Toronto was apparently merged into several other articles, but the edit summaries in the page history aren't entirely clear. It may need to be retained for attribution purposes. - Eureka Lott 23:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Resident Evil (2020 film)

• Resident Evil (2020 film) → Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

As per the move log, it is a typo. There were no films released that year. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:13, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

씨

• 씨 → Hangul  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible foreign language redirect WP:PLA one typing in a Korean title is probably not looking for information on 한글 which already redirects to Hangul. Aasim (話す（はなす）) 00:49, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Gulf of america

• Gulf of america → Gulf of Mexico#Name  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Gulf of America → Gulf of Mexico#Name  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 16 § Gulf of America – retarget

Per an RfD back in January this redirects to Gulf of Mexico#Name, however since then a new article has been created, Gulf of Mexico naming controversy, which would be a much more appropriate target for these redirects. Sangjiinhwa (talk) 03:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

August 1

EDP445

• EDP445 → Anti-pedophile activism#Predator Poachers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a living person who was accused of a crime by a group of amateur youtubers in 2021. He was never arrested or charged [2], which makes me think that his page redirecting to this page is inappropriate. This page was deleted twice due to the incident being rather irrelevant, and even in this article this person is only mentioned in one sentence, but it keeps being recreated. It should be deleted again. V. S. Video (talk) 23:53, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Swinub★ 01:49, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
• Create separate page for EDP445, he has established notability unrelated to him being accused of a crime. Sangjiinhwa (talk) 02:42, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

  He doesn't, and his article was voted to be deleted twice. Swinub★ 03:14, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Bubble Bobble 2

• Bubble Bobble 2 → Bubble Symphony  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Hopelessly ambiguous name (there are three games called Bubble Bobble 2); it is unclear why Symphony should be the primary topic. Bubble Bobble 2 (disambiguation) should be moved to Bubble Bobble 2 instead. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 22:04, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• I think you may want to take this proposal to WP:RM instead of listing it here. - Eureka Lott 23:33, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Bathgate (New) railway station

• Bathgate (New) railway station → Bathgate railway station  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible search term. Neither "New Bathgate railway station" or "Bathgate railway station (new)" are redirects either. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 21:38, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - the redirect was created by a page move from an article title that was clearly considered plausible at the time. For the background, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject UK Railways/Archive_18#Bathgate. — Voice of Clam (talk) 08:38, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
• Move without redirect to Bathgate railway station (new). This both remedies the poorly formatted disambiguation and (at least somewhat) alleviates Voice of Clam's concern about the history. Closest to a 'best of both worlds' situation that can seemingly be achieved in this situation. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 09:17, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Otherwise, delete per my comment below. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 03:24, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

• Keep this is an untagged from page move redirect from where the page was originally for just over two years. No reason to delete and moving it to a new location defeats the point of redirects from page moves. There's no meaningful history in the redirect anyway; if so done wants any other redirects just create them. Skynxnex (talk) 15:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Retaining ill-conceived variants of a house-specific titling convention is not harmless because it can encourage the propagation of others in similarly inappropriate manners (WP:RDAB). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 02:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Audenshaw Junction rail accident

• Audenshaw Junction rail accident → Guide Bridge railway station  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. Article failed AfD so I think it is best to retarget to List of rail accidents in the United Kingdom (and have it snap to that table entry). JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 21:28, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Education policy of the Donald Trump administration

• Education policy of the Donald Trump administration → First presidency of Donald Trump#Education  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Goes to a nonexistent section in First presidency of Donald Trump and ignores Education policy of the second Donald Trump administration. I'm not sure exactly how best to handle it, but the status quo definitely ain't it. Sdkb ^talk 20:26, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Domestic policy of the first Donald Trump administration#Education. The content was split off in this revision, 12 May 2025. ⇌ Synpath 01:14, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I misread the redirect, delete and create the redirect Education policy of the first Donald Trump administration pointing to Domestic policy of the first Donald Trump administration#Education to mirror the other article name. ⇌ Synpath 01:17, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Move redirect history to Education policy of the first Donald Trump administration. Sangjiinhwa (talk) 02:44, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Natural representation

• Natural representation → Differentiable curve  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A great many mathematical objects have a "natural representation"; five seconds on Google suggests that the term is more common in the field of representation theory than it is in the context of differentiable curves. Indeed the target article does not use the vague phrase "natural representation", prefering instead the more informative language "natural parametrization". JBL (talk) 18:15, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. A significant fraction of the hits for this phrase within Wikipedia are about realism in the visual arts and related meanings in theatre and literature rather than having anything to do with mathematics. And I agree that in the mathematics literature the more common meaning involves group representations. The intended meaning of this redirect appears to be natural parameterization and that is a better phrase to use for this meaning than representation, is currently a redlink, and itself is ambiguous (the same phrase is used with two other meanings in parameterized complexity and exponential family). I'm not convinced any of these meanings are specifically defined enough to make a disambiguation page out of "natural representation". "Natural parameter" probably should have a dab, with a redirect from "Natural parameterization", but that's a separate issue from this discussion. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:13, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Retarget to Natural parameter (disambiguation). Sangjiinhwa (talk) 02:46, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

That doesn't and shouldn't include the primary mathematical meaning of the phrase "natural representation" in representation theory, nor the meanings of this phrase in the arts, because representations and parameters are not generally words for the same thing. Among the meanings listed at that target, I think only the parameterization of curves can be called a parametric representation. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:57, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I agree with David Eppstein that this proposed target is not really better; it suffers from the same problem that a person searching for "natural representation" is probably not looking for anything to do with parametrization of curves, and Natural parameter (disambiguation) is not a helpful target for such a person. --JBL (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Tomasulo

• Tomasulo → Tomasulo's algorithm  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This should be a disambiguation page which links to Antonio Tomasulo, Dan Tomasulo, Frank P. Tomasulo, Robert Tomasulo, Tomasulo's algorithm and perhaps even Steve Tomasula. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 12:04, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• I don't think the algorithm would ever solely be known as "Tomasulo" so we can make this a surname index. I went ahead and drafted one, but I did keep a link to the algorithm as a nod to the status quo. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:54, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 14:15, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Surname index as drafted by Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 14:23, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

That's What Makes the Jukebox Play

• That's What Makes the Jukebox Play → Palomino (Miranda Lambert album)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous as there is also an older song originally recorded by Jimmy Work, and also recorded by Moe Bandy, and Anita Carter. Not appropriate for a disambiguation per WP:SONGDAB as neither song has an article of its own. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 13:15, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

@Champion: I don't see how SONGDAB applies here. The closest part I can find is about primary topics for partially-disambiguated titles, not the decision of whether to create a disambiguation page. Could you elaborate, please? jlwoodwa (talk) 00:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

But even then, where should it be retargeted when the song itself doesn't have an article? - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 00:50, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

This redirect could be turned into a disambiguation page. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:54, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Oozora Subaru

• Oozora Subaru → Hololive Production#Hololive (Japan)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A procedural nomination on behalf of User:Beansy who blanked the redirect. Here's their rationale, copied from Talk:Oozora Subaru: I'm sorry but the redirects on the Hololive talent pages have been ridiculous for several years now. Subaru was the seventh most viewed vtuber of 2024 per https://note.com/vstats/n/n602111052618, and the #5 most watched female streamer of any kind per https://streamscharts.com/news/top-female-streamers-2024, and she's a 5 year veteran now. The original reason for sealing off most of the Hololive pages was because the industry was too new, and that no longer carries weight. I'm removing the redirect so someone can make her Wikipedia page without being obstructed. Warudo (talk) 10:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. I am also of the opinion that most Holomems should have articles at this point. Warudo (talk) 10:12, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I would honestly remove all of the Hololive redirects at this point. I think you could probably make a notability case for anyone on the whole Hololive roster. Possibly the Holostars roster as well, but I'll let someone else make a case for that. If they're getting regular promotional deals with things like McDonald's, if the have half of the world's top ten most watched female streamers annually, if even HoloEN, one of the secondary branches, managed to sell out Radio City Music Hall in NYC in minutes, if they have the largest marketshare by watched hours of a multibillion dollar industry and are publicly listed on the Nikkei with a market valuation of close to $1 billion, if their YouTube pages have combined page views in the tens of billions (Houshou Marine alone has well over 1 billion page views), I think they meet notability criteria as a whole. Even their talent debuts, which are kind of rare these days, tend to be really big deals within the vtuber space. I mean off-the-cuff I think you could set a notability threshold of needing 250,000 or 500,000 followers or something first, but it's still long outdated that the redirects are even still there in my opinion. Beansy (talk) 10:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nominator and above 👑 KingBegger · 💬 · ⚔️ 03:54, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. Having a redirect does not stop someone from making a Wikipedia page. The redirect can be turned into an article at any time, or it can be developed in draftspace and moved when ready. In this case, we have a deliberate mention at the target article with encyclopedic information & context. WP:RETURNTORED only applies if the target contains no information, but there is plenty of context at the target. Someone searching for Oozura Subaru will see at the target article that: 1) She is a VTuber, 2) She is associated with the Hololive agency, 3) She is one of three members of the company's second generation, and 4) She has an entry on jpwiki that is hyperlinked right next to her name for more context. Whether or not she receives an article on enwiki in the future, the redirect is absolutely helpful in communicating all of the relevant information for the search term, and then even more with the jpwiki link right beside her list entry. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:20, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

  Changing my !vote to Neutral per Utopes because I did misapply WP:RETURNTORED in my original. My stance on her notability has not changed. Warudo (talk) 10:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per Utopes' rationale. A redirect does not prevent users from making an article on the subject. Until an article is made, the redirects should not be removed otherwise the subject would not be able to direct users to the relevant subject matter. If you wish to make an article on the subject, you can create one on a draft page or a dedicated user page and then either ask to have the page moved to the redirect or just copy the contents to redirect. CaptainGalaxy 16:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Lodestone Games

• Lodestone Games → PlanetSide (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No longer mentioned at target after redirect AfD closure. Delete per WP:RDELETE condition 10. 49.151.187.185 (talk) 01:26, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lodestone Games closed as redirect on 14 June this year. There is a mention at the target, but only in a footnote and its associated sources. Thryduulf (talk) 11:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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London railway station (disambiguation)

• London railway station (disambiguation) → London station group  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"London railway station" (without the "(disambiguation)" ) is already a redirect. Therefore, this search term is impossible but the redirect is also not useful. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 10:38, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Revert to this version of the disambiguation page. The subsequent "improvements" have actually not made it any easier for readers. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• Revert to dab per Thryduulf. As we can see from that page, the term is ambiguous. London railway station itself should probably be included in this discussion, as well. Tevildo (talk) 17:20, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

British Rail Classes 253, 254 and 255

• British Rail Classes 253, 254 and 255 → InterCity 125  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search term. Each individual class redirects to Intercity 125 per convention but this seems silly. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 10:32, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as a {{R from merge}}. In addition to that it is entirely harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Kirstie Wong

• Kirstie Wong → Hong Kong women's national squash team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was speedy deleted as an implausible redirect (not even mentioned in target), but thanks to objecting admin User:Sdrqaz who restored it, we now have to spend community time discussing this one. So, not mentioned at target, and even if she was it would be a bad redirect, as she wouldn't remain included there (team members change over time), it is reductionist (her career is more than being a member of the team), and it would be better as a redlink until someone creates an article for her. See e.g. this about her individual performances, her world ranking, all unrelated to the national team. Fram (talk) 09:52, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• delete per nom. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 14:25, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• The redirect shouldn't have been tagged under R3 in the first place. I don't have a strong opinion on whether this should be deleted at RfD, but this was not implausible at all, given that Wong is a member of that team (see coverage of team participation since at least 2019). We don't have a speedy deletion criterion that covers lacks of mentions, and R3 shouldn't be stretched like that. RETURNTORED appears on the RfD page instead of CSD for good reason. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:57, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

CrossCountry network

• CrossCountry network → CrossCountry  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I suggest we retarget this to Cross Country Route. 'CrossCountry network' is a plausible alternative name for the route on which crosscountry services operate, but not the franchise itself. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 09:43, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Support the route and network are the same thing. CrossCountry is the company that operates services on the route/network. TBH I'm surprised something so obvious needs discussion. I'd say WP:BOLD just do it. 10mmsocket (talk) 12:04, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

War of the Worlds: Revival

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Procudural close in favour of and without prejudice to the ongoing move discussion

July 31

Template:Birth-date

• Template:Birth-date → Template:Birth date text  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Template:Start-date → Template:Start date text  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Template:Death-date → Template:Death date text  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Template:End-date → Template:End date text  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Template:Birth-date and age → Template:Birth date and age text  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Template:Death-date and age → Template:Death date and age text  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These are all easily mistaken for their unhyphenated counterparts ({{Birth date}}, {{Death date}}, etc.), creating the awkward situation where calling two similarly-named templates gives different behavior. What do editors think of a retarget to said unhyphenated counterparts? Worth noting that these are all {{R from move}}s after the templates were moved (for the same reason) to their new titles following a requested move. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Note to closer: If this is closed as retarget, please do not actually retarget them until the transclusions are replaced by a bot. I'll either request it from someone or list them at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell. Thanks! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep all This isn't worth making tens of thousands of bot edits over. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:27, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

M Alcolm X

• M Alcolm X → Malcolm X  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm unable to fathom how this is a likely variation of the target subject's name, especially given the "A" is capitalized. Steel1943 (talk) 23:28, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete This is ridiculous, I concur. I'd chalk this up to being a non-autocorrected smartphone typo. To then prompt a redirect for it is absurd, because nobody would ever seek it out. The other one below, Malcolm 10, at least is a reasonable misinterpretation as a roman numeral, perhaps by a non-English speaker. --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 23:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a likely search term. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 14:42, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Zach Hanson

• Zach Hanson → Roomful of Teeth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of this person on the target article so it's not clear what the association is here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:10, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

@Liz: heya... "creator" here... I made it as a quick followup for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Hanson; the person by the name is apparently real (they received a Grammy for an album by the target group), but their article was created as a hoax otherwise. I'll happily delete the redirect if it doesn't make sense, though. I actually have no idea how Grammies work in instances like that. For example, they might have just been part of the production staff or something but are still included in the overall award(?). I dunno. *shrug* Hope that helps give context. Lemme know if you want anything from me, and any other admin (including you) is free to take action as if I were taking it myself (including just speedily deleting it outright). Cheers =) --slakr^\ talk / 00:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

That Goomba looks so serene

• That Goomba looks so serene → Super Mario Bros. Wonder  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned anywhere in the target article. Thanks, 1isall (talk/contribs) 21:22, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. It was added to the article by the editor who created the redirect but rightfully reverted because it was complete nonsense. Also, not a query anyone would use. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 23:51, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - implausible search term. Sergecross73 msg me 02:28, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Even its KnowYourMeme results say there's no meat on that bone. Not worth keeping. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 08:23, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Not mentioned at target. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk – edits) 15:20, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

HODL

• HODL → Bitcoin#Use for investment and status as an economic bubble  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Hodl → Bitcoin#Use for investment and status as an economic bubble  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Now that all the mentions of this are gone from the target (although I don't know if they've ever been there?), how about redirect to wiktionary? Stumbling9655 (talk) 07:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. Hodl now bundled here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete HODL and Retarget Hodl to Hödl. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect A popular crypto variant of the Buy and hold investment strategy. Selfstudier (talk) 17:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: There are enough sources to create a dedicated article for this term. Meanwhile, it should be redirected to its Wiktionary entry. Vgbyp (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget both to wikt:hodl for the time being Duckmather (talk) 16:01, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
  • But this ignores Hödl; in fact it makes it impossible to find from a standard keyboard. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:03, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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Retarget Hodl to Hödl as per Shhhnotsoloud, tag as R to diacritic. It's plausible that someone could type in Hodl while meaning for Hödl; not everyone has access to the keys that would allow someone to type an ö character. On the flipside, Delete HODL as per WP:RETURNTORED. Vgbyp may be right in that there's enough info to make a full article for this topic; in that case, we need to delete the redirect, so that someone in the future will be alerted that we don't have information on the topic, rather than pipe it to Wiktionary. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:10, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget Hodl to Hödl; Delete HODL. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:36, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep hodl. Mention is there, and was there at the time of nomination too. To be fair, the term was bundled here by Shhhnotsoloud, and not by nom. Also tag it as an {{R from merge}} as it was merged to the target, as mentioned at the second AfD. Second choice, retarget to the Hödl dab if the Bitcoin entry is added there. If the uppercase HODL is used for the same term, keep, otherwise delete. Jay 💬 09:14, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

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1st pyramid

• 1st pyramid → Pyramid  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

originally created as what i'll just assume was homework, the target doesn't seem to do much to actually provide a solid answer for what's the oldest pyramid overall, but everything seems to point to that being the pyramid of djoser. whether or not that would be a good target is beyond me, though, as that article makes no effort to directly claim it's the oldest pyramid in the world, being content with just stating that it's the oldest pyramid in egypt consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:52, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

i'll also note that if not deleted, first pyramid should be created to follow it. maybe oldest pyramid too if you're feeling feisty consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:53, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Sudan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games

• Sudan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Tajikistan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Afghanistan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Albania at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Algeria at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Azerbaijan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Bahrain at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Bangladesh at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Benin at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Brunei at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Burkina Faso at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Cameroon at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Chad at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Comoros at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Djibouti at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Gabon at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• The Gambia at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Guinea at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Guinea-Bissau at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Guyana at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Indonesia at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Iran at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Iraq at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Ivory Coast at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Jordan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kazakhstan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kuwait at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kyrgyzstan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Lebanon at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Libya at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Malaysia at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Maldives at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Mali at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Mauritania at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Morocco at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Mozambique at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Niger at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Nigeria at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Oman at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Pakistan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Palestine at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Qatar at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Saudi Arabia at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Senegal at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Sierra Leone at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Somalia at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Suriname at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Syria at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Togo at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Tunisia at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Turkey at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Turkmenistan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Uganda at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• United Arab Emirates at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Uzbekistan at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Yemen at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games → 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These should be deleted, as any user looking for information on a specific country at the 2025 Islamic Solidarity Games will gain nothing from being redirected to a page that simply lists every country out. Possibly WP:RFD#DELETE #10 as these could be expanded. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:45, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Rectagon

• Rectagon → Octagon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

wiktionary doesn't define this exact word (though it does define "rectagonal"), and results were extremely confused, so i'll just give the four definitions it gave me

• a misspelling or synonym of "rectangle" (you know, like the mine song accidentally using "triagonal" instead of "triangular")
• a mishearing of jack black and elmo saying the word "octagon" at the same time
• "a rectangle with only right angles" (so a rectangle?)
• some object show character, i think
• carpets?
• a ship between some kind of rectangle and some kind of octagon that seems completely unrelated to definition 4

needless to say, i have absolutely no idea what to make of any of this, much less what to actually do with it, but i think it seems to be closer in definition to a rectangle depending on who you ask, so... maybe retarget there? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:40, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. I would expect this to mean rectilinear polygon, as used for example by JSTOR 27642361. But it's not used with any consistency in the literature so I don't think a redirect is necessary. Octagon is definitely the wrong target. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:11, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Retarget to Rectilinear polygon. Sangjiinhwa (talk) 02:49, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

HAiR

• HAiR → Hair  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

used to redirect to hair (musical) before being retargeted for... some reason, probably. while i would just retarget it back, i'm not entirely sure the musical's logo even looks like a lowercase i, and i can't think of anything else that would be stylized like that as NiGHTS is probably bald consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:19, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget back to Hair (musical). Some posters for that are even easier to interpret as a lowercase I, e.g. [3], [4]. Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Arbaclofen

• Arbaclofen → Arbaclofen placarbil  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm a bit confused on why it redirects to Arbaclofen placarbil, a prodrug to (R)-baclofen (Pubchem CID 44602), as I believe that chemically, Arbaclofen would refer to (R)-baclofen, and not a prodrug. As arketamine (CID 644025) refers to (R)-Ketamine, for example. In my opinion, maybe there should be a section on the baclofen page about (R)-baclofen, if there is significant differences at the medical level from the racemic mixture. Themonkey942 (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to baclofen and tag with {{R with possibilities}} Duckmather (talk) 18:04, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as is. Someone searching specifically for "arbaclofen" is almost certainly looking for the pharmaceutically-relevant use of this compound which is in the form of arbaclofen placarbil rather than baclofen. If in the future there is a section at the baclofen page about arbaclofen, then maybe the redirect can be changed at that point. But currently, the reader is best served by redirecting them to arbaclofen placarbil. Marbletan (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

South-West Europe

• South-West Europe → Iberian Peninsula  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• South-Western Europe → Iberian Peninsula  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• South West Europe → Iberian Peninsula  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Southwestern Europe → Regions of Europe  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Southwest Europe → Regions of Europe  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. There was a previous article on this topic, which was deleted—see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southwestern Europe. That discussion showed there was no consensus on the most appropriate target for this topic. Currently, some terms redirect to Iberian Peninsula, others to Regions of Europe, and there are also valid arguments for redirecting to Southern Europe. Given this lack of clarity, I believe it is better to let readers rely on search engine results instead. Hassan697 (talk) 12:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Regions of Europe which functions as an index and is thus the most helpful option for readers. Search results are distinctly not helpful, as other than Metropolitan France (almost all of which is not in south western Europe by any definition), Kist of companies of Andorra, History of Andorra and Regions of Europe (which is there because of these redirects) all the results are articles about individual species of flora or fauna that are found in that part of Europe. Thryduulf (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

The Fresh Food People

• The Fresh Food People → Safeway (Australia)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Woolworths (supermarket) also uses this slogan. Should we redirect to a defunct supermarket chain that predominantly shows this slogan, or to a very-much-still-alive supermarket chain that uses it as a subtitle of sorts? User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:49, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Both supermarkets are under the same company, Woolworths Group (Australia). According to [5] and Safeway Australia § Acquisition by Woolworths, after acquiring Safeway, they launched this slogan for both stores. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 15:12, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

King of YouTube

• King of YouTube → Psy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous term, this can refer to hundreds of successful YouTubers. Moreover, "King of YouTube" is not mentioned in Psy's article and Googling the term turned up multiple YouTubers. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 11:22, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. The phrase is mentioned in multiple Wikipedia articles, mostly related to PewDiePie or T-Series (company), but also Lauris Reiniks, Alfie Deyes, Mr Beast, Online chess, and multiple others. Unless we have a list of people who have been called "King of YouTube" or similar (which would require clear inclusion criteria to stop it being indiscriminate, e.g. does being called "Saudi Arabia's King of YouTube" or "King of YouTube pranksters" get you on the list?) then this is far too ambiguous to be useful. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per Thryduuff. This could be related to any popular youtuber, and if such list gets created sometime in the future, this redirect could be recreated. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 15:04, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Target may have been the first notable entertainer with a video with a large amount of views ... but that was over a decade ago, and other entertainers have emerged since then that are more notable. In addition, the redirect doesn't seem like it was ever an alternative name for the target. Steel1943 (talk) 17:20, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Hayran

• Hayran → Hayran, Hınıs  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect points to a village in Turkey, but I intend to create an article about the Kurdish vocal style "Hayran", which is a distinct and notable subject. The current redirect blocks article creation and is misleading for readers searching for the musical style. Per WP:RFD#DELETE.  Zemen  (talk) 11:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep for now and tag with {{R with possibilities}}. Alternatively, we could turn it into a dab page. You can always overwrite a redirect with an article at any time. Duckmather (talk) 17:49, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate among current target, Keklikdere, Genç (has hamlet of this name), Mohamed Fouad (released album of this name), and Heyran Donboli (alternate spelling of first name). Create the new article at something like Hayran (vocal style), and list it at the DAB. If you think that is the primary topic for "Hayran" (which I'm not 100% convinced of but may be the case), start an RM after you've done that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 07:16, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Spiritual book club

• Spiritual Book Club → Book discussion club  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Spiritual book club → Book discussion club  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. REAL_MOUSE_IRL talk 09:44, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

FC Urziceni

• FC Urziceni → FC Unirea Urziceni  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Merge with FC Unirea Urziceni. Same club. DuncanKeane05061967 (talk) 09:08, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Nothing to do FC Urziceni already redirects to FC Unirea Urziceni, and has no article history. The current redirect works as intended. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 09:11, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Note: Redirect was not tagged for RfD until today. Steel1943 (talk) 17:15, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per nom ... since their nomination statement is literally a description of a helpful redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 17:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Cook Pu

• Cook Pu → Gag name  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This name is not mentioned on this article, but on the article for the How I Met Your Mother episode "Perfect Week". While it is used as a gag name in that episode, it is not mentioned outside the cast list on the latter. Xeroctic (talk) 09:06, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. It doesn't seem helpful to have a redirect to gag name from an essentially arbitrary example of one. Looking at the "Perfect Week" article, I'm not seeing any indication that the Cook Pu character was significant enough in the show for a retarget to be helpful. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:53, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Leo Chung

• Leo Chung → Hong Kong men's national squash team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not even mentioned at target. Speedy R3 rejected for poor reasons, as this would be a bad redirect even if he was mentioned at the target, as such a mention would be temporary in any case, and a person's career is much more than being part of a national team[6]. Better a redlink than a reductionist, temporary redirect. Fram (talk) 08:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete not mentioned at target. Even if mentioned at target, this would be a bad redirect, since "Current team" section changes often- and so at some point in near future, would be removed from there. Which is why we don't generally redirect sportspeople to team articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• I don't have a strong opinion on whether this should be deleted at RfD, but this was not implausible, given that Chung is a member of that team (see silver medal in a team championship). We don't have a speedy deletion criterion that covers lacks of mentions, and R3 shouldn't be stretched like that. RETURNTORED appears on the RfD page instead of CSD for good reason. Sdrqaz (talk) 04:08, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
• Good CSD decline, good RfD rationale. Delete per transient nature of mention. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 11:48, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Ice cream truck song

• Ice cream truck song → Turkey in the Straw  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Should this redirect to "Turkey in the Straw" or just "Ice cream truck"? Turkey in the Straw is often associated with ice cream trucks and is commonly recognized as the "ice cream truck song". Because of that, I created this redirect, but there are also other ice cream truck songs and the music (or the speakers that it is being played out of) is/are a part of an ice cream truck, so this can redirect to "Ice cream truck" as well. I'm not sure if this redirect should be retargeted, so I'll let the community decide. RaschenTechner (talk) 08:09, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget or delete. The current target is definitely wrong, as the Ice cream van article notes that The traditional song played by ice cream vans in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand is "Greensleeves" and gives a list of about 16 songs traditionally played in the US and Canada (including the current target). This Reddit thread makes it clear that the traditional Greensleeves is far from the only song played in the UK these days. Thryduulf (talk) 10:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Ice cream van, which lists all the songs played in different countries. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to ice cream van per the above comments. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:54, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Ice cream van, per those above. BD2412 T 00:04, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Malcolm 10

• Malcolm 10 → Malcolm X  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The "X" in Malcolm X's name is not a Roman numeral, he adopted this surname to symbolize his lost African family name, and it's pronounced like the letter "X" and not "ten". ArthananWarcraft (talk) 07:19, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep While true, it's possible there are those who do not know that and it seems largely helpful to navigation given many times 'X' does serve to mean 10 or the tenth. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 17:04, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete since this is not a used or correct mispronunciation of the target's name. Seems to be once case where WP:PANDORA is valid: Are we then to create redirects where "X" is by itself and make corresponding redirects with "10" in them, even when "X" is not meant to be pronounced as so? (Only exception to this I can think of is with iPhones since no one really knows what Apple is doing with their naming conventions.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:11, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

  Are we then to create redirects where... - who is suggesting creating redirects? We're just discussing this specific redirect. I wrote an essay on why this line of argument is flawed: User:Bugghost/essays/Keeping isn't creating BugGhost 🦗👻 17:41, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

  Actually, according to you in your "keep" vote lower down in the discussion, the answer to my question is "yes" per you. Steel1943 (talk) 19:41, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as this is a plausible mistake. We even have a redirect titled Malcolm the Tenth. Duckmather (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

  That's an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, and now I'm in the belief that Malcolm the Tenth should be bundled into this nomination to validate both of their existences. Steel1943 (talk) 23:25, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• TBD There is another redirect for Malcolm X up for discussion (the implausible M Alcolm X, which was indubitably a typo and should not be supported imo)—that one is a crystal clear Delete from me.

This one, I am torn. I think it might be a foreign misinterpretation of the value of X—interpreting the X as a roman numeral or algebraic integer, and thus not worth keeping. OTOH, at least this one has a bit more coherence in its redirect necessity.

@Steel1943 I will say though that YES, I fully support bundling Malcolm the Tenth into this discussion, seeing as how they're essentially the same redirect from a phonetic perspective. --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 23:45, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. I don't think it's a plausible mistake. Does anyone actually search this term? No one ever called him Malcolm 10. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:40, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment I think it's due to non-English speakers or whomever possibly thinking 'X' is the roman numeral, not about people actually calling him that. In their minds, they might read it as Malcolm 10 by mistake, and thus it would both guide and correct them. Just a thought.--Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 08:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Keep, plausible. Roman numerals after a first name are very common, eg. the many Louis X's, and Henry V's. Someone seeing Malcolm X's name written and having no knowledge of him would have no reason to know it's not a numeral. It would be incorrect to put it in the article, but the redirect is fine. BugGhost 🦗👻 18:01, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Tax cuts for the rich

• Tax cuts for the rich → Trickle-down economics  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 15 § Tax cuts for the rich – no consensus

Non-neutral redirect that also happens to be a poor search term. Go D. Usopp (talk) 03:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Neutrality isn't an issue (see WP:RNEUTRAL), but even if it were I don't see how this redirect as being non-neutral. The phrase is explicitly used in the target article and searches are not finding anything better, indeed at Abenomics#Tax cuts for the rich it is explicitly connected with trickle-down economics. Also per Bugghost in the previous RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:13, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep, but I am wondering if we can come up with a better solution, perhaps an article more directly addressing the notion of tax cuts going to the wealthiest, irrespective of whether justified by a theory of broader economic impact. BD2412 T 19:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

  Tax cuts for the 1%? =P --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 03:58, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

  There probably is scope for such an article, and this would make a good redirect there, but as far as I've been able to find nobody has written it yet. Thryduulf (talk) 14:16, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - This is an overly broad term that can be and is applied to virtually ANY tax cut, (with maybe the only exception being a tax on food) since most countries have progressive tax systems, whereby the rich pay a greater portion of the taxes. Even a reduction in a flat tax rate system that reduces EVERYONE's rate by the same percentage would reduce the total dollars paid by the rich more than by the poor and could also be called: "Tax cuts for the rich". ---Avatar317^(talk) 23:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:REDLINK per Thryduulf's follow-up comment to BD2412's vote. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Endia

• Endia → India  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Neither an alternative spelling nor a likely misspelling but a derogatory slang ([7]). Gotitbro (talk) 01:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Go D. Usopp (talk) 03:40, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 06:43, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Retarget to Endia Beal as {{r from given name}}. There's also ENDIA, a diabetes research study in Australia. I couldn't find much on the slur, besides mirrors of this Sputnik News article and this Reddit post. It might support a Wiktionary entry, since wikt:Endia is a redlink. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:02, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguate between ENDIA and Endia Beal with a see also to India Duckmather (talk) 17:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Second — In the words of Scruffy the Janitor. --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 00:12, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Trap-A-Holics

• Trap-A-Holics → La Chat#Discography  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. For context, Trap-A-Holics is a hip-hop producer may have arguable notability. Still, they go unmentioned from La Chat's article and would suffice as being deleted despite possible notability, as opposed to being a weird redirect. Roast (talk) 00:58, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment — furthering my research, Trap-A-Holics hosted some albums by La Chat. Still, their notability stretches beyond one person's discography. Roast (talk) 01:05, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Don't have much of an opinion here, except to say that being unmentioned in an article does NOT rule them out of a redirect. There is literally such a redirect known as "R to article without mention" which does suffice in numerous instances. Whether or not it does here, I can't say as I'm oblivious re: these topics. But I just wanted to, er, mention that.

--Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 03:57, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Create article - If Trap-A-Holics hosted some albums, then we may wish to create an article about him... --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:04, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Not a forum

• Wikipedia:Not a forum → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Wikipedia:NOT A FORUM → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to WP:NOT § FORUM, because to match WP:NOTFORUM. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment. At the policy page titled Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, there is a section titled “Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought” having the shortcut WP:FORUM. At the same policy page, within that same section, there is a subsection titled “Discussion forums” having the shortcut WP:NOTFORUM. I do not care which one “Wikipedia:Not a forum” redirects to. Anythingyouwant (talk) 00:40, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

July 30

Duke Nukem 4ever

• Duke Nukem 4ever → Duke Nukem Forever  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

while definitely a cute name (by which i mean the opposite >:c), the only official and/or noteworthy instance of this spelling that i can name is as an ending screen in zero hour, which predated and had nothing to do with forever

...is what i would say if there wasn't an actual game called "duke nukem 4ever" that was cancelled, as detailed in the main series' article. thus, i'm kind of torn between retargeting there, returning to red as i've found some results that suggest some level of notability (will show them in a while if i find them to be reliable), and just keeping because who really cares? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:31, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

on second thought, i'll just add them here before evaluation, since i have other stuff to whittle down first. most of those likely aren't reliable at all, but whatever :3

• https://gameworldobserver.com/2022/12/27/duke-nukem-forever-1996-2d-side-scroller-leak
• https://www.indieretronews.com/2022/12/duke-nukem-4ever-prototype-build-for.html
• https://www.thegamer.com/duke-nukem-3d-reloaded-playable-build-leaked/ (definitely only tangentially related)

and... that's kind of it? upon closer inspection, some of the ones i was about to add only had 4ever mentioned in the comments, so they're not gettin' here. i'll add more if i can find more, and note that this ars technica article is already being used consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 20:27, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Release of Duke Nukem Forever

• Release of Duke Nukem Forever → Duke Nukem Forever#Marketing and release  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

really weak nom, sure, but would it be more plausible to retarget to the section on the game's release on its development's article? either i'm misreading things, or that one contains more info on what happened in its release, and from writing this, i think the average reader would be looking for that article consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:17, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Mao Tsé-Toung

• Mao Tsé-Toung → Mao Zedong  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating per WP:FORRED, Mao Zedong was not French. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 18:23, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Lénine

• Lénine → Vladimir Lenin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating per WP:FORRED, Lenin was not French. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 18:12, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

But it seems his name may have been used with a spelling like that? Perhaps without the accent? Search Musee Lenine. Hewer7 (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Seems an unlikely search term for Lenin. Most likely, the searcher would be looking for something at lenine. -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Exposing

• Exposing → Exposing Me (remix)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Partial title match for which this song is not remotely the primary topic. I don't think we have a good redirect target and I'd delete, though Expose does exist. Rusalkii (talk) 17:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Soft redirect to wikt:expose for lack of a better target Duckmather (talk) 17:51, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

  Do you mean Wiktionary:exposing? Steel1943 (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Pope Leo XVI

• Pope Leo XVI → Pope Leo XIV  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible Roman numeral. He is not the sixteenth, just the fourteenth. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 11:34, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep and tag as R from typo. As per WP:RTYPO plausible typographical errors can be kept, and a transposition of two characters that are right next to each other in the title fits the bill IMO. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:15, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per above RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:40, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per above Hektor (talk) 09:55, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep clear case of a plausible WP:RTYPO ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 13:40, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Paprikaiser (talk) 21:18, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. In addition to reasons above, Roman numerals confuse a lot of people. They are easily misremembered and a true typo may be less likely to be noticed than something like '12' instead of '21'. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:54, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, currently !voting in vain as this is trending towards being kept, but I'm not persuaded by the RTYPO rationale. Super Bowl LXVI is never gonna be a typo of Super Bowl LXIV, because they refer to two different topics; this situation is truly the equivalent of saying that 14 is a typo of 16. We're not a WP:CRYSTALBALL, so we don't and shouldn't have number-transposition typo redirects for sequential search terms. Accommodating for these and similar titles are likely to be far more confusing than they are helpful, and create more questions than answers for people who are unlucky enough to stumble onto them. Nobody is going to see the RCATs, they're just going to see the page they end up at, and ask themselves "so pope leo is the 16th also? I searched for the 16th Leo, and got here, but what happened to the 15th leo?" Number swaps change the meaning of the search term entirely. People might've meant to type in Pope Leo XI, or Pope Leo VI, which are one letter away. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per Utopes. This is not a typo, it is erroneous numbering. Jay 💬 14:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per Utopes. SpartanMazda (talk) 22:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete not clear that most people typing this would be looking for this target. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:55, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per Utopes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:37, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• delete per Utopes drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 17:36, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a likely typo, and will need maintenance in 2 more Leos. Either way, can't type Roman numerals correctly? ... Use Pope Leo 14 instead. Steel1943 (talk) 22:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete "Leo XVI" isn't really exist IMO. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 00:49, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. This redirect would also become inaccurate if we do get a Pope Leo XVI within Wikipedia's lifetime. 92.40.201.213 (talk) 19:13, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Washington State agency redirects

• Washington State Office of the Education Ombudsman → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• K-20 Education Network → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Washington State Department of Veterans Affairs → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Puget Sound Partnership → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Washington State Technology Solutions → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Washington State Department of Services for the Blind → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Washington State Department of Retirement Systems → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Washington State Department of Enterprise Services → List of Washington state agencies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:RETURNTORED, the target article does not contain anything more than a list to state agencies, and the redirects create a circular situation for our readers that links back to itself while making our editors think these articles exist where a WP:REDLINK would be more appropriate. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:39, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• How many of these are actually notable? My first thought is expanding the list so that each entry has a short summary of the agency with a link to a dedicated article or section only where one exists, with these titles remaining as redirects to the list. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  See WP:REDYES, but I'd say at least half of these are notable enough to warrant their own article, with the remainder being borderline. AFAIK there is no article where these agencies are discussed, and a short summary would be better off in a stub for later expansion if we're not going to put these back to redlinks as WP:RETURNTORED suggests. —Locke Cole • t • c 16:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Alternatively, we could keep the redirects (tagging the more promising ones with {{R with possibilities}}, if they aren't already), and remove the links from the list. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:35, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

The Pat McAfee Show 2.0

• The Pat McAfee Show 2.0 → Pat McAfee  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Non-notable podcast. 2.0 was created after McAfee left Barstool and lasted for around a year, before he went back to radio with DAZN/Westwood One. It then became a separate podcast while McAfee and his crew began touring the U.S. as part of his Get Up!, College GameDay and WWE appearances, and was put on hold due to the COVID-19 pandemic. It now serves as a shortened version of his daily show, with particular focus on the interviews. APM (talk) 15:26, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Refine to Pat McAfee#Pat McAfee Inc. which has content about the search term. We don't want to encourage the creation of an article about something that is individually non-notable (which a redlink can do) but we do want to help readers find content they are looking for when we have that, which is exactly what redirects are good for. Thryduulf (talk) 16:01, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Roger Alexander (politician)

• Roger Alexander (politician) → Roger Alexander  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is the same person. Original article had been created in the wake of his election, without recognising that there was another article for the politician at the basename. APM (talk) 15:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• keep {{r from unnecessary disambiguation}} drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 15:25, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per DrinksorCoffee. Thryduulf (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Speedy Keep Per DrinksOrCoffee Servite et contribuere (talk) 21:35, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways/Draft

• Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways/Draft → Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Has existed since 2007 as an ATD but this is an infeasible redirect and also an orphan except a discussion about it in the wikiproject archives. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 14:50, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep unless a history merge into the target is possible. Steel1943 (talk) 21:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

  I support a histmerge because it was merged in with Special:Diff/170383411. Can this just be done by the closer or do I need to ask somewhere else? JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 11:13, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Hariharan Amsakarunan

• Hariharan Amsakarunan → India national badminton team  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. A whole lot of redirects have been created by User:OCDD from individual badminton and squash players to the national team articles. But these players have done most of their career outside the national team, just as individual players in tournaments. I don't see the use of having a redirect from a person to just one aspect of their lives or careers.

Similar redirects include:

• Ruban Kumar
• Ruqayya Salem
• Shameena Riaz
• Erisa Sano Herring
• Jayda Marei
• Sohaila Hazem
• Robyn McAlpine
• Rumesh Tharanga

Other redirects by the same editor may warrant checking as well. Fram (talk) 14:21, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

The players have represented their national teams at each tournament. Most of their career has not been "outside the national team." OCDD (talk) 08:15, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

When Amsakarunan played at e.g. the 2024 Swiss Open (badminton) or the 2024 Odisha Masters, he wasn't playing for the national team, he was playing in individually (well, doubles, but as a person, not as part of the national team). Rumesh Tharanga has played at many tournaments, not just the Neeraj Chopra Classic (he even won silver at the 2025 Asian Athletics Championships – Men's javelin throw); redirecting a person to a team or tournament is almost always a bad idea. Furthermore, when the player is no longer part of the national team, they will be removed from the target page, leaving us with a redirect without any info at all at the target. Fram (talk) 08:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Rishika Nag

• Rishika Nag → Bade Achhe Lagte Hain 4  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. I don't think it is a good idea to redirect a person to just one of the roles they played indiscriminately. Article has no further info on the actress, who is also mentioned in other articles[8]. Better as a redlink until an article can be created (assuming they are notable). Fram (talk) 14:06, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

The same applies to similar redirects to the same article:

• Aafreen Dabestani
• Shivani Sopori

Fram (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Islamic infidelity

• Islamic infidelity → Polygyny in Islam  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Respectfully, I would have rejected this AFC/R, and have shared my concerns with the accepter. The redirect just doesn't make sense, and is one of several prejudicial redirects requested recently by the same IP. Two sources were presented in support, but both were about alleged abuses of Nikah mut'ah, which do not necessarily entail infidelity. Nor is there a clear link between infidelity and polygyny. If retargeted, Kafir is probably the best place (I'm surprised there's no Infidel (Islam)). But I would just delete this as too out-there. --BDD (talk) 14:06, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Speedy delete. this redirect made me hesitant to add, and I should not have accepted it. Juwan (talk) 14:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• If infidelity is referred to as adultery, there is Zina which is the target of Adultery in Islam. Jay 💬 14:34, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  Oh, that's not bad, actually. I had looked at Infidelity and didn't see anything about religious perspectives, but didn't think to look for related terms like adultery. The phrasing of this redirect is still questionable IMO compared to something like Infidelity in Islam, but Zina is probably a better target than Kafir. --BDD (talk) 14:38, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Bettina Anderson

• Bettina Anderson → Donald Trump Jr.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention Isla🏳️‍⚧ 11:05, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. She is mentioned in passing at Sheath dress#2020s but (a) I'm not really certain that mention is DUE, and (b) even if it is, redirecting the name of a person to something that says nothing more than that person often wears this type of dress (at this point in time) is not useful unless that is literally the only thing they are notable for and Google results tell me that isn't the case here. Thryduulf (talk) 16:13, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Totalitarianism in the United States

• Totalitarianism in the United States → Fascism in the United States  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect does not seem appropriate to me as it is potentially misleading. To my understanding, fascism and totalitarianism are not the same thing, as totalitarianism is a broader system of governance which can take many forms (not necessarily fascist). To imply all totalitarianism in the U.S. must be fascist, seems to unintentionally push a point of view. Golem08 (talk) 17:20, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak retarget to Inverted totalitarianism Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:24, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Fascism and Totalitarianism are indeed separate things; totalitarianism is simply a dictatorship with enough power to quash all opposition, while fascism is a far-right political ideology that often reaches for, but does not fundamentally require, dictatorship.
  China is totalitarian, as an example, but is communist, not fascist.
  Someone looking for totalitarianism would be ill-served to be given an article on fascism. Delete if alternate target isn't found. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:27, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  I'm not entirely onboard with Inverted totalitarianism, but not wholly against it either. Weak retarget there; although should it be determined that Inverted Totalitarianism is a bad target, my previous Delete !vote will stand. Do not stay here. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak retarget per Thepharoah17, perhaps as {{R from subtopic}} and {{R with possibilities}}. The subject is discussed extensively at Inverted totalitarianism --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:22, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Both Fascism in the United States and Inverted totalitarianism are too specific. The closest match is Democratic backsliding in the United States, but it's too broad (and doesn't even link to the other two articles). Jruderman (talk) 00:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  I'd honestly say that specificness isn't the issue with Fascism in the United States or Inverted Totalitarianism. The former is the wrong topic entirely; the latter is talking about something that A: isn't actually totalitarianism and was simply compared to totalitarianism, and B: isn't specifically the United States.

  Actually yeah, thinking about it further, I'm also against Inverted Totalitarianism as a target for the reasons I've just described; revoking my own Weak Retarget !vote. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:39, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Inverted totalitarianism. Redirects are cheap. TarnishedPath^talk 01:12, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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Dallas Cowgirls

• Dallas Cowgirls → Dallas Cowboys  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Disputed redirect between Dallas Cowboys and Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. Every couple of months had edit warring over target. Either retarget to the Cheerleaders or delete altogether since it feels like an unfunny vandalism nickname for the NFL team. Servite et contribuere (talk) 18:20, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Lean retarget Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. Google and Google News clearly think this is the primary meaning, though I'm struggling to find many reliable sources that use the term. Derisive/non-POV redirects are acceptable under the right circumstances but I can't find reliable sources using the nickname for the team, either. The cheerleaders did appear on the cover of Esquire in 1977 under the heading "Dallas Cowgirls" and this apparently fairly notable. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:07, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• FWIW, there's {{R from non-neutral name}}. Left guide (talk) 19:20, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose redirect to Dallas Cowboys. As stated above "Either retarget to the Cheerleaders or delete altogether" Assadzadeh (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• I don't have an opinion on it, but I will say that I very regularly see the Dallas Cowboys referred to as the "Dallas Cowgirls". I think it's a very lame thing for people to call them, but I could see an argument for either target, just based on the frequency of which I've seen the Cowboys referred to this. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:54, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete Retarget Not mentioned on either page and it's not as easy to find an RS as I was expecting. If a mention is added (possibly the Esquire source mentioned by Myceteaea) it could should be retargetted to Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. While {{R from non-neutral name}} exists, I don't think this is a good use for it as it's both non-neutral and ambiguous. I also would argue it doesn't really meet any of the criteria for creation of non-neutral at WP:RNEUTRAL as this was never the page name for the Cowboys, it wasn't a POV fork, and while people call them the Cowgirls, it's not incredibly common in media sources (e.g. there aren't articles form ESPN calling them the Dallas Cowgirls). In summary, delete without mention, but retarget if mentioned with to cheerleaders, not a good candidate for keeping per WP:RNEUTRAL. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 20:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  I am surprised you didn't find it east to find an RS referring to the cheerleaders as the "Dallas Cowgirls". Did you look in newspapers.com? I found lots of RSes there. Rlendog (talk) 14:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

  I need to be better about remembering to search in newspaper archives instead of just google/DDG. You found some great sources. Switching over to RT per your sources. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 17:06, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment Just to let UCO2009bluejay understand, my proposal is not deletion, it is anything but the current redirect. Just in case you were unaware. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:43, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

I will stand by my delete. I am no Cowboys fan but could be considered derogatory to refer to them as such. Redirecting them to the cheerleaders seems out of place.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders, and include the term in the lede, as well as discussion that during the 1970s at least they were commonly called the "Dallas Cowgirls", as well as about the lawsuit when some former cheerleaders tried to form their own company using the "Dallas Cowgirls" name (but those are editing issues). There are plenty of sources for those who bother to look such as [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]. Rlendog (talk) 14:30, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

In–transit mixer

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Inverted C

• Inverted C → Open-mid back rounded vowel  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This refers to some letter. The sound at the target is denoted by the Open O in the IPA; however, Claudian letters#Antisigma (Ↄ) might be closer since it is actually based on the letter C (though Unicode calls it "reversed" rather than "inverted", which is reflected in the font rendering in the article showing a reflected rather than rotated letter). 1234qwer1234qwer4 01:17, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep This term is actually used by linguists. See, for example, [21]. In the future we might consider a DAB, as there are other meanings, too. Викидим (talk) 07:57, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Open O, which is our article about the letter itself rather than the sound it represents in IPA. As Викидим points out above, this term is used in some sources. I vaguely recall reading that this symbol was chosen for the IPA partly because it could be typed using a letterpress or typewriter by rotating a c. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:29, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget to Open O per Mx. Granger. Worth keeping generally though as it is plausible. JacobTheRox^{(talk | contributions)} 14:52, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

MOS:MILRANK

• MOS:MILRANK → Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Honorific prefixes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no consensus per discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Military ranks. Absolutiva 00:46, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Military ranks are not honorific prefixes. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 02:17, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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2025 Zip Buy Now, Pay Later 250

• 2025 Zip Buy Now, Pay Later 250 → 2025 Pit Boss/FoodMaxx 250  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I think the redirect is to be deleted as the race was renamed to the target and the redirect is currently being unused. MysticCipher87(alt-account) (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep The race last year was called 2024 Zip Buy Now, Pay Later 250, so it could help people. Even if the name is incorrect, because it's a redirect I don't see much harm because there's no ambiguity. My only possible argument against is sometimes sponsors change which race they're sponsoring, e.g. the 2024 Würth 400 was at Dover but the 2025 Würth 400 was at TMS, but because that ambiguity doesn't exist here, keep works for me. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 22:49, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

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Jim Jenkins

• Jim Jenkins → James Jenkins  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The only Jim of note, Jim Jenkins (footballer), should be moved here. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:35, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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Comment: This is literally a move request, and belongs on Wikipedia:Requested moves. Steel1943 (talk) 17:21, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

July 29

Iacovos Hadjiconstantinou

• Iacovos Hadjiconstantinou → 2016 Summer Olympics  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outcome of AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iacovos Hadjiconstantinou. Would be better to redirect to Cyprus at the 2016 Summer Olympics where he is actually mentioned. LibStar (talk) 23:46, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Metroid 5

• Metroid 5 → Metroid Dread  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Metroid V → Metroid Dread  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not finding any reputable references labeling the target subject as a "5" in the series. With the fact that List of Metroid media does not make it clear what a "Metroid 5" is supposed to represent, plus the fact that Metroid 4 has been deleted multiple times, these redirects should go as well. Steel1943 (talk) 23:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep. Metroid Dread was introduced on-screen as Metroid 5 in the official announcement trailer and referred to as Metroid 5 in reliable secondary sources such as Nintendo Life, GamesRadar, PC Magazine, Eurogamer. Popcornfud (talk) 14:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per Popcornfud. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 22:46, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Plausible alternative name. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 14:58, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Metroid IV

• Metroid IV → Metroid Fusion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 15#Metroid 4, and the fact that Metroid 4 has been recreated so many times that the title had to be creation-protected. Steel1943 (talk) 23:06, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

I”m not sure how to properly source this but the in game intro specifically called it Metroid 4.--67.70.101.124 (talk) 04:46, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - Even if the game itself displays the title Metroid 4, there are no official sources or listings that refer to the game as Metroid IV or Metroid 4. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 16:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep and overturn deletion of Metroid 4 The fact that Metroid 4 is Fusion is documented in the Washington Post. IGN's overview also mentions "Metroid 4" as referring to Fusion. This combined with the fact that the franchise also has the Roman-numbered II makes me lean keep here. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 22:40, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Plausible alt name. Popcornfud (talk) 15:21, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Bertha the Buck-Toothed Lady

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G3

Panzerschokolade

• Panzerschokolade → History and culture of substituted amphetamines#Military use  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating on behalf of N2e, the target makes no mention of the redirect. Looks to have been an urban legend that the chocolate contained methamphetamines, looking at this blog(?) post from The Skeptic. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 17:30, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment from original creator of redirect: I can't even remember creating this! I'm guessing that I read something about it 13 years ago, and looked it up, and created the redirect as it didn't exist. I can't remember what source I had for the information, although I note that in 2013, Spiegel International mentioned it in their article "The German Granddaddy of Crystal Meth" (Fabienne Hurst (30 May 2013). "The German Granddaddy of Crystal Meth". Spiegel International. Retrieved 23 July 2025.). If there is no evidence that this is anything other than an urban legend, I would be happy for it to be deleted. Alternatively, perhaps a mention of the urban legend could be included in the target article? PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 11:42, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment I've come across quite a few sources ([22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31] to mention a few) that discuss it as a real concept, though not all of them are necessarily high quality. Still, it might be enough to justify a small stub? Paprikaiser (talk) 21:25, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Cold Kiwi Motorcycle Rally

• Cold Kiwi Motorcycle Rally → North Island Volcanic Plateau#Cold Kiwi Motorcycle Rally  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think it makes much sense to redirect Cold Kiwi Motorcycle Rally to the page for a geological feature when the rally itself has nothing to do with that feature apart from the location. I would further note that the redirect itself points a section of the Volcanic Plateau article that does not exist; the rally is discussed in a single paragraph in that article (and one sentence in the Horopito, New Zealand article).

If this must be kept as a redirect then I believe it should be retargetted to Horopito, New Zealand, the specific locality where it takes place. I would also have no objections to just removing this redirect.

What does the community think? :D Groot42 (talk) 21:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I just noticed that the claim that the Rally continues to be held in Horopito is false; the 2025 one is apparently being held in Waiouru and regardless the source only says that the 2014 one was in Horopito. I edited that page accordingly.

I still think there needs to be a better target than a non-existent section of a page about an area which the page itself says is over 100 km wide. Groot42 (talk) 21:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

 Note: I've notified the target of this RFD. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:20, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

The page had a section target until February this year. I have replaced it with an anchor. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:RESULT

• Wikipedia:RESULT → Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Military history#Primary infoboxes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Too ambiguous; same reason MOS:RESULT was deleted   Jalapeño   (u t g) 09:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Saying "MOS:RESULT was deleted" without explaining the context is somewhat misleading. What happened with it was its creator, SMcCandlish, created MOS:RESULT and then about a minute later, moved it without redirect to MOS:MILRESULT. In addition, if anything, in the "Wikipedia:" and "MOS:" namespaces, "ambiguous" is better served with a disambiguation page (provided the redirect is not too old and frequently linked). Steel1943 (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
• WP:RESULT is definitely too ambiguous, and we should not be redirecting unclear WP:-namespace shortcuts to MoS sections. It would be better to make an internal disambiguation page, including MOS:MILRESULT and various other pages that have "result[s]" in their name or which tally the results of processes or catalogue common results of recurrent debates, and whatever else someone might be looking for when they take a stab at "WP:RESULT". Send WP:RESULTS to same place.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Help:Searching#Search results page to match WP:RESULTS. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:07, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate per SMcCandlish. Duckmather (talk) 02:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
•  Disambiguation draft requested Rusalkii (talk) 21:00, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
• First choice - delete as vague. Second choice as an WP:ATD - retarget to search results per Tavix as an {{R from singular}}. Disambiguating or hatnoting RESULT to military results would be confusing. Jay 💬 03:22, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

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Clicky-clack keyboard

• Clicky-clack keyboard → Model M keyboard  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Doesn't seem all that useful, kind of ambiguous, as this could definitely be referred to as Mechanical keyboard. This should be either deleted or retargeted to that article. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 20:56, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Interstate 38

• Interstate 38 → Interstate 238 and State Route 238 (California)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 28 § Interstate 38 – keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 19 § Interstate 6 – delete

Interstate 38 is unnecessary since I-38 does not exist at all. 2600:1700:6180:6290:4D4C:8D6E:BFE:81E6 (talk) 19:30, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Nothing has changed since the last RFD discussion in 2020. Although an Interstate 38 does not currently exist, it does not change the fact that it still may be a valid search term due to the way Auxiliary (three-digit) Interstates are numbered, and people may still attempt to search for a parent Interstate numbered I-38 since I-238 exists (unlike other unused parent Interstate numbers where there is no mention of them at the target articles at all). Zzyzx11 (talk) 20:18, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per 2020 RfD discussion and WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. – The Grid (talk) 15:56, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per the previous RfD and zzyzx. Thryduulf (talk) 16:51, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I've tagged the redirect in question Justjourney (talk | contribs) 18:42, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Surprise attack

• Surprise attack → Military deception  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was linked on the Iran–Israel war page but it’s only mentioned once in the entire page of the target and Google search results don’t indicate that this is the right target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Surprise Attack. The entry there that uses the redirect can be updated if this change is made. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 18:31, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• I agree with Myceteae to retarget. Adumbrativus (talk) 02:47, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Ambush. I think that's close enough, noting that sneak attack redirects there. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:55, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Ambush as per Tavix, add hatnote to the Surprise Attack DAB as per Myceteae. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:59, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Ambush, as per its first line in the dedicated article per Tavix, add hatnote and link to "Surprise Attack" as per Myceteae. Intrisit (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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• I still think Surprise Attack is a good target. Many surprise attacks are not ambushes, i.e. don't involve waiting in a concealed place, so I'm doubtful about a redirect to Ambush. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:49, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

T:UAA

• T:UAA → Template:UAA  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 December 29 § T: – keep

Per a recent discussion at the village pump, it was indicated that new titles using the "T:" pseudo-namespace redirect should not be created (as of 2025).

Very unused redirect to the Usernames for Administrator Attention template, Template:UAA. It can be reached by typing in TM:UAA, without needing a replica page existing in mainspace with an unideal cross-namespace redirect. No valuable incoming links. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Even with the village pump discussion, this redirect is very old, as it dates back to 2008. I don't see why this wouldn't be useful. It is unambiguous, with no confusion on what this is. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 18:44, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

This is a redirect to a backrooms-template that exists in mainspace as a cross namespace redirect, which is unideal. We should keep such XNRs to a minimum, as to not inhibit regular searches by regular readers. "T:" is a regular search, because we have several mainspace targets that start with a T and a colon. When someone types it in, they expect to reach a Wikipedia article, and will be confused when they are taken to the backrooms. XNRs are largely unknown to 99% of our readers. There is no need for us to maintain an obscure/outdated/unused shortcut, nestled amongst regular Wikipedia pages, to a janitorial template, when this can all be avoided by typing in TM:UAA to reach the alias for templatespace, saving the need for us to nestle in a shortcut amongst regular pages. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:23, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

T:R from

• T:R from → Template:R template index  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 9 § T:R from – keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 18 § T:WPTECH – no consensus

Per a recent discussion at the village pump, it was indicated that new titles using the "T:" pseudo-namespace redirect should not be created (as of 2025).

It has been argued in previous discussions that the purpose of such a redirect is to make it easy to navigate to Template:R from. Since the advent of the TM: alias, TM:R from is a short, suitable way to navigate to this template, by using an alias that works for all templates. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:11, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. This redirect is actively used, including by me. I see no benefit in breaking things that are unambiguous and in use just because other things also exist. Thryduulf (talk) 16:53, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Why not use TM:R from instead? We have the ability to remove backroom trapdoors here, so that when people type in "T:" into the search bar to click on an article, they will see only the articles that start with T:, instead of a (dwindling) number of T: XNRs that are no longer being supported due to [[TM:]] being a surefire solution for all templates. T:R from only has one link on your user talk space, from User:DePiep back in 2013 explaining why it should be deleted 12 years ago. 12 years ago, we didn't have a [[TM:]] solution, but now we do. If the benefit is from searching it instead of linking it, adding an "m" is not hard, and consensus determined that it was a suitable prefix when it was implemented as an alias well over a year ago. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Tiste Liosan

• Tiste Liosan → Malazan Book of the Fallen#Tiste Liosan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. A fictional fantasy race, not mentioned in the target article or elsewhere in Wikipedia. Was an unreferenced stub article in 2006 until it was redirected. Mika1h (talk) 23:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Mentioned at The Kharkanas Trilogy though not contiguously, and as a plot summary. Bundle Tiste Andii and Tiste Edur as well, which have similar non-contiguous mention? Jay 💬 08:21, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

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Deaths from the 2019–21 coronavirus outbreak

• Deaths from the 2019–21 coronavirus outbreak → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deaths from the 2019-21 coronavirus outbreak → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deaths from the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deaths from the 2019-20 coronavirus outbreak → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deaths from the 2019-2020 coronavirus pandemic → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deaths from the 2019–2020 coronavirus pandemic → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deaths from the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Deaths from the 2019-20 coronavirus pandemic → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Is there a better target or should these just be deleted? Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:34, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Is there another target that would be appropriate? I would be very surprised. It was presumably given this title during 2021, when it was thought unlikely that there would be further deaths. I'd be very surprised if anyone is using this redirect, but can't imagine it is pointing to the wrong page. Kevin McE (talk) 23:44, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep; the 2019-2020 coronavirus pandemic IS Covid-19, so this is the correct target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:14, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Retarget as per Jruderman; slightly better target, plus the new target already has a hatnote to the old target for those who wanted the list. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:09, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget COVID-19 pandemic deaths: slightly better match for titles that don't specify "list". Both articles link to each other in hatnotes. Jruderman (talk) 00:21, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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Death due to COVID-19

• Death due to COVID-19 → List of deaths due to COVID-19  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Is there a better target or should it be deleted? Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:59, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. I wouldn't see why it should be deleted; this seems to be the correct target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  Retarget as per Drinks or Coffee and ApexParagon. As noted above, the new target contains a link to the old target as well, for those who DID want the list. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:11, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• retarget to COVID-19 pandemic deaths, imo a better target. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 12:46, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak retarget to COVID-19 pandemic deaths just because "death due to COVID-19" doesn't necessarily imply a list. But either way seems fine honestly. Didn't need to come to RfD ApexParagon (talk) 17:18, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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Help:IPA for Hokkien

• Help:IPA for Hokkien → Template:Hokkien phonetic table  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The prefix "Help:IPA for" is generally understood to be the predecessor to the current prefix "Help:IPA/" prior to 2017. As such, this redirect leading to a template can be a bit misleading. So I suggest re-targeting this redirect to Help:IPA/Taiwanese Hokkien, which as User:Lovewhatyoudo noted here, can also largely represent the sounds used by speakers of Hokkien in Mainland China and Southeast Asia. S Y T · 三葉草 16:03, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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Indian locomotive class WAG-00

• Indian locomotive class WAG-00 → Indian locomotive class WAG D-9  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was originally created for an unnamed locomotive class. Later locomotive class was announced and page moved to Indian locomotive class WAG D-9. So this redirect is useless and i see no motive to keep it. ––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 16:55, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Auftakt für Brighton

• Auftakt für Brighton → Eurovision Song Contest 1974#Format  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Appears to have been a related television programme produced by the German public broadcaster ARD ahead of the Eurovision Song Contest 1974, however there is no mention of this on the target article, nor on any other related articles. As a German phrase it is also unlikely to be a useful search team to retain as a redirect. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:53, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

UK Rampage

• UK Rampage → WWE  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• WWF European Rampage → WWE  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Both pages were redirected because they lacked "in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG". This creates a new problem where the target article makes no mention of the events. FMecha (to talk|to see log) 15:46, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget UK Rampage → WWE in the United Kingdom, as current page has zero in-depth reliable sources.

WWF European Rampage should probably simply be deleted, as none of the sourcing actually refers to event(s) of this name.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Either redirect to WWE in the Uniyed Kingdom, or UK Rampage (1992). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:11, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Pakistan.

• Pakistan. → Pakistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating per WP:UNNATURAL, having a period at the end is an unlikely typo. We've had many discussions for other terms with a period (including countries as well), here are some:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 3#Fly.
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 3#Greece.
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 9#Redirects with trailing.
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Canada.

All of these discussions resulted in deletion of the respective redirects. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - No affinity to this title over any other. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 17:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete as no affinity. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete as pointless. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 22:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

India.

• India. → India  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating per WP:UNNATURAL, having a period at the end is an unlikely typo. We've had many discussions for other terms with a period (including countries as well), here are some:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 3#Fly.
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 3#Greece.
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 9#Redirects with trailing.
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 31#Canada.

All of these discussions resulted in deletion of the respective redirects. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 14:27, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - No affinity to this title over any other. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 17:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete as no affinity. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Apple devices do make this very plausible on MacOS and iPhone/PadOS where tapping the space bar twice at the end of a sentence adds a period (an option that can be turned off), or it can inadvertently added by tapping the period key at the right of the space bar on an on-screen keyboard, which has not been brought up in previous debates. Not supporting this one way or another, but as a Mac user, thought I'd throw in my 2¢ on the plausibility of this redirect. Nathannah • 📮 19:44, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Electric superior

• Electric superior → Electric multiple unit  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target, I'm not too sure what it is referring to. TruenoCity (talk) 13:53, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Google only knows of The Superior Electric Co. (see Chicago Lighting Institute), and even if we had an article on that company, it's not an obvious search term to get there. Tevildo (talk) 19:46, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Brock's two favorite women

• Officer Jenny → Pokémon (TV series)#Officer Jenny  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Nurse Joy → Pokémon (TV series)#Nurse Joy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target or anywhere onwiki. Thepharoah17 (talk) 10:23, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment Couldn't these two characters be mentioned in the characters section of Pokémon (TV series) as they are reoccurring? (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:10, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per WP:REDLINK, apparently. Steel1943 (talk) 14:21, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment It looks like an editor recently removed the characters section: Special:Permalink/1302980384#Characters. – The Grid (talk) 16:07, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• Hold for now See Talk:Pokémon (TV series), where discussion of a content cut is going on between two editors who have been in a year-long tit-for-tat (including a current WP:AN3 report) about which characters qualify for an article mention, and this ended up in the middle (I guess per that long-tired meme about Wikipedia being 85% Pokemon back in the day a list of show characters can't be considered to resolve the dispute). Nathannah • 📮 16:22, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Heavy rainfall warning

• Heavy rainfall warning → Flash flood watch  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I couldn't find any information about the linkage between the redirect and the target after performing a Google search. The target is just a watch product of flash floods in the United States, which are likely to be caused by heavy rains, but not always. Also, heavy rainfall warnings exist in many parts of the worlds outside of the United States. Sun8908 _Talk 08:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Weather warning. While that article could do with work, it is global in scope, has links to more detailed articles, and nobody will be astonished to arrive there after using this search term. Thryduulf (talk) 16:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

A Demon's Game - Episode 1

• A Demon's Game - Episode 1 → List of video games in development#A Demon's Game - Episode 1  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not present in list, seemingly not notable enough for any entries in other video game lists. ScalarFactor (talk) 03:59, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

All who served the revolution have plowed the sea

• All who served the revolution have plowed the sea → Wikiquote:Simón Bolívar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is not the quote that appears at the target. The only mention of "plows in the sea" appears in an image caption without a source. Many quotes are listed at the target, but none of them seem in desperate need of a redirect on Wikipedia to accommodate. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - "He who serves a revolution plows in the sea" seems to be the correct quote that is mentioned there. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 03:04, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Find The Computer Room!

• Find The Computer Room! → Wikiquote:Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)#Vector the Crocodile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unhelpful soft redirect. The only thing this soft redirect does, is state that "the quote exists" at Wikiquote without providing a source at the target. Unlikely to be intentionally typed, no substantial information is provided to readers, and unnatural capitalization. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:33, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

America is ungovernable

• America is ungovernable → Wikiquote:Simón Bolívar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A Wikipedia search should send readers to an encyclopedia article, if we have one available. This phrase is mentioned in the beginning of History of Ecuador (1830–1860). Typically I would boldly make this change, but this target was selected by User:TartarTorte due to not being mentioned at Simón Bolívar, so I'm bringing it here. It was good to move it away from Bolívar's page, but there are only a handful of Wikiquote redirects (~20-30) in existence, and I think it would be good to get a good idea about when, why, and how to create and maintain such soft redirects, without turning Wikipedia into a Wikiquote search engine. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:28, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget per nom. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 03:00, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

List of misquotations

• List of misquotations → Wikiquote:List of misquotations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of misquotations – delete

When readers search on Wikipedia, we should provide readers with a Wikipedia result if we can. People wanting to read a list of misquotations on Wikiquote, would search for this on Wikiquote. Currently, Misquotation has a list of ways that a misquotation can occur, in various syntaxes and with various punctuation differences. This seems to me like a suitable, encyclopedic location for this encyclopedic search term. While Wikiquote might have a lot more examples of misquotations, Wikipedia should not take people to a list of indiscriminate information when people search the encyclopedia. Wikiquote pages are usually linked in the see also sections, when it is applicable; the same could be done here, presumably. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:21, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - This is a reasonable example of a soft redirects that aids in pulling our project and sister projects closer together. It also discourages creating such a list locally (it was actually deleted once; WP:SOFTSIS). That aside, we do cover topics such as List of film misquotes (meaning this is not so far off-base from something we might cover in some form potentially, though unlikely in such a broad form). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 02:36, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• keep per Godsy. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 05:59, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per Godsy. This is something that is very plausible for people to search for on Wikipedia, and while we don't have relevant content a sister project does, soft redirects of this nature help our readers. Thryduulf (talk) 17:01, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

National Highway 59 (India), old numbering)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete.

You just got Luigi'd

• You just got Luigi'd → wikiquote:The Super Mario Bros. Movie#Luigi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 10 § You just got Luigi'd – soft redirect

No such quote at the target; no "Luigi" section exists on Wikiquote. Wikipedia is not Wikiquote, this is not what people would search to read the Wikiquote page for The Super Mario Bros movie. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:06, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - It is unmentioned at The Super Mario Bros. Movie#Marketing as well; apparently, it had to do with a promotional poster (see here). It was removed from the target in Special:Diff/3555821 (wikiquote).— Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 02:18, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment from creator – As pointed out by Godsy, the quote is from the marketing material of the film. I was also used in the actual film, where Luigi stomps on a Dry Bones. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 02:45, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - unlikely search term. Sergecross73 msg me 13:56, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Where's That Damn Fourth Chaos Emerald?

• Where's That Damn Fourth Chaos Emerald? → wikiquote:Shadow the Hedgehog (video game)#Shadow the Hedgehog  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Covered adequately by the more appropriately cased 'Where's that damn fourth Chaos Emerald?' (see old discussion), a very borderline instance of appropriateness in and of itself. We certainly do not need both (given specifically the special case that they are both soft redirects to a sister site). Please refrain from nominating and merging the other one into this discussion; intentionally considering this separate (the other one can have its day down the line if it is to be so). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 01:28, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete this pointless redirect to a wikiquote search engine section. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
  • @Utopes: My apologies — I am unsure why twinkle parsed it that way, but I have just fixed the link above. Technically it goes to the section of an 'article' (or whatever pages are called over there), but I still understand what you mean (I believe). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 01:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

I see now that it goes to the Wikiquote section, thank you for letting me know. I've amended my phrasing. I still find the redirect to be pointless. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:01, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• delete. there's no damn affinity for a damn title case spelling. insert goddamn batman joke here consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:34, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

List of Lviv rabbis

• List of Lviv rabbis → Lviv#Clergy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in article Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Restore and send to AfD. This is not a useful redirect because the page does not contain a list of rabbis. The pre-BLAR article should be restored so that the page can be assessed on its merits as an (unreferenced) list of rabbis, and a decision can be made at AfD. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:46, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Restore without prejudice to AfD per Utopes. Thryduulf (talk) 17:03, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

July 28

For publicists publicizing the client's work

• For publicists publicizing the client's work → Wikipedia:For publicists publicizing a client's work  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• For publicists publicizing a client's work → Wikipedia:For publicists publicizing a client's work  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible cross-namespace redirect, not linked anywhere except for Wikipedia:Odd links/report (when I made this RfD), receives an average of 3 views per month. Don't think this is necessary at all ApexParagon (talk) 16:23, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete agree - also seems Redundant. Asteramellus (talk) 23:43, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• There's also For publicists publicizing a client's work. Should that be added to this nomination? 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:AA3:8FD9:EDCA:5A44 (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Not only should it be added, but I have actually done it. Thanks 2A0E. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 14:13, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Thuringia portal

• Thuringia portal → Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany/Portal:Thuringia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Another implausible cross-namespace redirect. Someone who knows what a "portal" is on Wikipedia probably is aware of what namespaces are, and it's also unlikely someone who doesn't know what namespaces are would ever be looking for this portal. This redirect is not linked anywhere, and also has received a whopping 44 total views in the 10 years since page views started being tracked (average of 4 views per year). Seems like a clear indication that it's not a plausible redirect. ApexParagon (talk) 17:06, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete agree and seems originally it was created as redirect to Portal:Thuringia, which no longer exists. Asteramellus (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete unnecesssary XNR and no one really uses portals anyways. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 15:12, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Northern Mariana Islands national under-23 football team

• Northern Mariana Islands national under-23 football team → Northern Mariana Islands Football Association  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 21:20, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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Fourmula 50

• Fourmula 50 → Energy Brands#vitaminwater  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

misspelling of "Formula 50", so delete I think? Duckmather (talk) 22:19, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Thought this might be a branding thing, but couldn't find anything. Formula is not a hard word to spell, and I don't think anyone would say it like "four". Doesn't seem necessary. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:49, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Seems to have history as an article from 2009-2012, although it still seems to have been called "Formula 50" even back then. Returning to neutral on this one, although restoring and taking it to AfD would be suitable in my eyes. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:53, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

steal the refs and add them to the target's refideas, and then either...

• delete if no one can (or wants to) work it in
• keep or refine to the new section (or an anchor) if someone does

extremely mild opposition to taking it to afd, but only on the basis of that only having two sources (though really, the fact that it had anything at all puts it above most such blars) consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:41, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Day of Death

• Day of Death → List of The Rookie episodes#ep31  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

another very vague term, maybe retarget to Death? Duckmather (talk) 22:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Day of Death is an episode explained at the target. Death does not contain any information about the search term of "Day of Death". Day of Judgement also does not use the phrase "day of death" ever. Perhaps a hatnote could be added to List of The Rookie episodes? But I don't think we need to go that far. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:50, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep. As createor. Day Of Death is the title of an episode of The Rookie and is a valid search term for it.Blethering Scot 17:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• weak delete. while probably the primary source for this specific term, results mostly gave me stuff related to the day of the dead. maybe there's other stuff, but i don't think it'd warrant a dab. no opinion on retargeting to day of the dead though consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:44, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  ...and of course, because google loves being helpful at the worst possible times, it immediately gave me this seemingly unnotable movie (or whatever it is) the second i went back to check after bulleting this vote. obviously, i don't think it'll affect this discussion, as it's not even listed in melissa o'neil's article, but it's funny to note, i guess consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:48, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:DIFFCAPS as distinct from Day of death. - Eureka Lott 23:49, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

The General Public

• The General Public → Portia de Rossi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a very vague term. It could refer to Public (which seems like the most likely target), so I suggest retargeting it. On the other hand, maybe WP:DIFFCAPS applies? Duckmather (talk) 22:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. WP:DIFFCAPS applies. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:51, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Public. The company is "General Public" ([32], [33]) not "The General Public". Adumbrativus (talk) 03:47, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Nien

• Nien → TripleS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The member is not that popular and she wouldnt be the primary topic for Nien. Theres also no dab page for Nien. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 17:05, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Keep The only other destination would be a dictionary definition for a foreign word, and 'not popular' is a judgement call, not a proper reason for deletion. Nathannah • 📮 20:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. This redirect obscures Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:01, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per Shhh. Many people named Nien, and someone familiar with firstnames and surnames may create a firstname or surname dab in future if feasible. Jay 💬 08:15, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

  I would support a retarget to Nian (surname) if Nien entries are added to it, and there are no first names with Nien. I don't know if Nian is the root word for Nien, and thus the primary topic. Jay 💬 14:10, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Nian as {{R from alternative transliteration}}. Nian (disambiguation) can be edited to add pages with "nien" in the title, and the surname "Nien" is already within the scope of Nian (surname). voorts (talk/contributions) 00:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete. Nien appears to be part of the given name for the TripleS singer. Several sources give her birth name as Hsu Nien Tzu (variously transliterated) [34][35] The "Nien" character in her given name is 念 (Niàn), which is not the same character, 年 (Nián), used at Nian (surname) and Nian. It's true that "Nien" is an alternative transliteration of 年 but it refers to a completely different name in this case. There may eventually need to be a Nian/Nien page for the non-年 usage but in the meantime red links and search function will better serve readers. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:12, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Nian per Voorts. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

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Bo J

• Bo J → Joacim Persson  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is the target's middle name followed by first initial. I can't find a source stating he goes by this, and all hits are for other people. Rusalkii (talk) 23:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak delete when I first saw it I expected it to be a redirect to BoJack Horseman. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Some places like https://eurovision.tv/participant/chingiz list "Bo J" on the credits of a Eurovision 2019 song, Truth (Chingiz song). Wikipedia currently lists it as Joacim Persson instead, which I didn't see a citation for. https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2019/azerbaijan says Bo J is Joacim Persson. Not sure if that's reliable. Adumbrativus (talk) 06:45, 12 July 2025 (UTC) Addendum: I put a notification at WikiProject Song Contests. Adumbrativus (talk) 06:55, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete I thought of Bo Jackson.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 09:17, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Truth (Chingiz song) per Adumbrativus' research. I went ahead and clarified the infobox there. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:42, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

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Luring

• Luring → Lure  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

None of the subjects listed in the target disambiguation page represent verb-like subjects; all of the subjects are nouns. This means that redirecting the present participle form of "lure" to the disambiguation page is misleading since the redirect represents no alternative forms of any of the subjects listed at the disambiguation page. Delete unless a proper target is found. Steel1943 (talk) 21:00, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep. As per wikt:Lure, which is linked on this disambig page, the three verb definitions of "lure" are "to attract fish with a lure", "to recall a hawk with a lure", and "to attract by temptation, appeal, or guile". If the pages on bait (luring substance), fishing lure, or lure (falconry), all three of which are linked here, are not enough, the link to Wiktionary should suffice. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:35, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I agree that the conventional use of the verb matches these. I had a look at what this redirect replaces - this search output, and it seems there's three topics of aggressive mimicry that are not properly documented here: caudal luring, lingual luring, acoustical luring. We could add these in the existing list, or we could split this out into a separate disambiguation list, and have the two of them link to one another. --Joy (talk) 08:39, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Seems fine to add to the existing list in my book. No sense making a separate disambig page when those who search for "lure" may be interested in aggressive mimicry as well. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:17, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Communism in Cuba

• Communism in Cuba → Cuba#Revolution and Communist Party rule (1959–present)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Updating effectively. 169.255.57.58 (talk) 19:37, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• A few possible targets,Cuba#Revolutionary government (1959–present) (where the redirect is supposed to be going), Politics of Cuba, Communist Party of Cuba, maybe others. 86.23.87.130 (talk) 22:14, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
• Feels like we should dabify between the above possibilities. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:54, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

No we shouldn't, "Communism in Cuba" is not ambiguous. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:51, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep, no issue with the current target has been presented. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:51, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Current target is going to a section header that does not exist. The section header that most clearly matches the current target is, as noted by the second IP editor, Cuba#Revolutionary government (1959-present). That said, an RFD is not needed to re-refine a refined redirect to match a section's new title.
  My own vote remains 'dabify' because I'm intrigued by the other options noted by the second IP editor (Politics of Cuba and Communist Party of Cuba), but I won't fight overmuch for the dab if it's found to not be necessary. That, and it feels like the best solution would be a hatnote, anyways, placed at Cuba#Revolutionary government (1959-present):
  "Communism in Cuba" redirects here. See also Politics of Cuba, and Communist Party of Cuba. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  That's fair, my !vote was mainly a rebuke of the poor nomination statement. I do want to note though, everything listed can be handled at the main article. If one wants the history of Communist Cuba, then the updated section Cuba#Revolutionary government (1959–present) is there. If you're more interested in the Political aspect of how the Communist government is run, then the Cuba#Government and politics section is available (with prominent links to Politics of Cuba and the Communist Party of Cuba for more information). Perhaps the redirect should just be unrefined? The lede has a good overview, so it wouldn't be surprising to end up there. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:46, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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John Derrick Goze

• John Derrick Goze → Non-narrative film#John Derrick Goze  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete, not mentioned at target. Fram (talk) 16:10, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. This non-article sure has had a lot of work on it for a WP:REDLINK candidate. Steel1943 (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per everyone else. Qifzer (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Distortion (film) also redirects to this page. I think that redirect should be deleted too. Qifzer (talk) 19:00, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Go ahead and list it! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Don't list it here; it has history as an article. If anything, revert the WP:BLAR and nominate for WP:AFD. Steel1943 (talk) 21:17, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as per WP:RETURNTORED. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Disney International Operations

• Disney International Operations → List of assets owned by the Walt Disney Company#Disney international content and operations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Listed this here for discussion since there is no definitive target to point this to. I'm calling for deletion to encourage article creation for this title. What do you think? Intrisit (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete. There seems to be no good target for this. SirPenguin25^Talk 11:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Ajyal - Arab Division of HaShomer HaTzair

• Ajyal - Arab Division of HaShomer HaTzair → Ajyal (Arab Division of HaShomer HaTzair)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Moved to a correct disambiguator. The old disambiguator page which is now a redirect should be removed as it doesn't follow disambiguator guidelines. Gaismagorm (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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Ștefan Szönyi

• Ștefan Szönyi → wikidata:Q12349417  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. I see no reason why we should have redirects to Wikidata items. Either something is notable and can have an article here (and until then should be a redlink), or it isn't and then we shouldn't circumvent this by linking to a different wiki. Fram (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Soft redirects to sister projects are sometimes useful, but I can't think of a case where a soft redirect to a Wikidata entry would fall into that category. Thryduulf (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The template currently used on this redirect is supposed to be used for soft redirects to elsewhere than happen to be connected to Wikidata (and I might support deleting it), not for redirects to Wikidata. Was previously a redirect to István Szőnyi but not mentioned there either. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Los jibbities

• Los jibbities → LGBTQ people  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Appears to be a niche term (internet meme?) with no WP:SIGCOV (I can't find any coverage, actually). Not mentioned in the target article. Very unlikely to be searched, less alone with the expectation of landing up in the target article, LGBTQ people. jolielover♥talk 13:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

for context, I created this redirect after publishing the Wiktionary entry seen here. I understand if it may be too niche for a redirect. Juwan (talk) 13:11, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, unmentioned term. A Spanish meme-pronunciation is not likely to be evident to English Wikipedia readers, which would probably require an explanation at the target to substantiate the redirect which is not present at this time. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:55, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete as novel; pretty sure the one and only place this comes from is this tiktok/youtube short from Dez the Lez. I will note that despite the 'los' part it'd probably be more known by English-speakers than Spanish-speakers, as Dez's videos are in English; 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:10, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Dinowars

• Dinowars → Rod Espinosa#Bibliography  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Dino Wars (disambiguation). The article was merged to Rod Espinosa#Bibliography per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dinowars. A disambiguation page has been created that didn't exist at the time of the AfD. I think it's better to redirect this to the disambiguation page since there is another title match for "Dinowars". It's also very similar to the other terms titled "Dino Wars". Mika1h (talk) 08:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Another idea: move Dinowars to Dinowars (comics). So then Dinowars (comics) redirects to Rod Espinosa#Bibliography and Dinowars redirects to Dino Wars (disambiguation). --Mika1h (talk) 09:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Buildings Department (Hong Kong)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Bracket City

• Bracket City → The Atlantic  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It's an online word game from The Atlantic, but there's no mention at the target article. Cremastra (talk · contribs) 02:13, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia; could become an article (WP:RETURNTORED). Jruderman (talk) 04:57, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per Jruderman. I expected this to be a nickname for a city (c.f. Stroke City) but it doesn't appear to be. Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Saguine

• Saguine → Project Sanguine  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems to have been created in 2004 as a typo for "Sanguine" in the context of submarines in the 1960s, but a Google Books search doesn't show any such usage, and sanguine has always been fairly ambiguous anyway. Joy (talk) 19:59, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to the DAB currently located at sanguine, as an R from misspelling. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Lunamann I thought of this, but the volume of these typos didn't strike me as significant - looks like four times a month on average. That seems low enough that it's not a burden on the search engine or those few readers. (Also, at this miniature scale, even if only some of it was undetected bot-induced traffic, that might reduce the real average even more.) --Joy (talk) 11:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Eh, I tend to go by the guidance of WP:RTYPO-- a one-letter difference in a typo is generally plausible enough to keep. That, and remember: Redirects are cheap. The burden on our systems with the redirect in place is minimal at best. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:09, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Well, the premise is that the typo is plausible. Searching indicates this word seems to have other meanings, and I can't find hints that it's a common typo for the word sanguine. The difference is a pronounced consonant. --Joy (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. This is not a misspelling but rather a typo, and random letter deletions hold no particular affinity to their target. This could potentially be a typo for other targets as well (or a novel coinage of an adjectival form for Saguinus). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete. Missing the "n" is not a likely typo. Steel1943 (talk) 04:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  A single missing letter??? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, because removing the "n" makes it no longer a phonetic match for its intended target. Steel1943 (talk) 16:13, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Is that relevant? If I'm typing really fast, fast enough to miss letters, and hit Enter before I can see that I typed it wrong (which is the difference between a typo and a misspelling, a typo is an unintentional mistake from fingers hitting the wrong keys while a misspelling is a mistake from genuinely thinking the word is spelled different from what it really is), I don't think I would have time in the .005 seconds before I hit Enter to sound it out 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per Steel and IP 35. Word is easy enough to spell, this particular missing letter does not need a redirect. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:40, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• delete, but not per steel and the ip. results actually gave me a bunch of assorted stuff, suggesting that it's an actual word or name in some language. whether or not it's all coincidental tpyos that somehow got into roblox is beyond me, but it seems fairly consistent. none of those things are notable, though, so i don't even think this would be a case of returning to red

of course, the chance that it's all coincidental tpyos is of around 40%, so eh consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:01, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

July 27

Andreotti-Norguet fourmula

• Andreotti-Norguet fourmula → Andreotti–Norguet formula  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Andreotti–Norguet fourmula → Andreotti–Norguet formula  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I would call this an implausible typo, but it isn't recent at all so not CSD R3. Zero hits from a google search of this typo, so external rot seems unlikely. --Bumpf said this! ^{ooh clicky clicky!} [insert witty meta-text on wiki-sigs here] 23:25, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

•  Note: I added the second listed entry to the nomination. It's the same, except for a dash instead of a hyphen. The first was automatically created by a bot for hyphen/dash reasons. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:47, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Speedy delete, G6, the latter was unambiguously created in error, moved away from an implausible error immediately after creation, and the former was just an automatic bot creation to match the latter. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:47, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

delete per 35. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 13:20, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

TheMaxChannel528-24-created titles

• MTV (Africa, 2013-) → MTV Africa  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• I Didn't Do It (2014 TV series) → I Didn't Do It (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Disney XD international broadcasting → Disney XD (international)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Disney Jr. international broadcasting → Disney Jr. (international)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• MTV (Europe, Middle East and Africa) → MTV Global  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Star Mundo (Africa) → Star Mundo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Star Comedy (Portugal) → Star Comedy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• VH1 (Europe, Middle East and Africa) → VH1 (Europe)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] Intrisit (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Listed these titles for discussion as they are/were created by a blocked sockmaster/sockpuppet (TheMaxChannel528-24). Such a shame these could not be G5 deleted. Intrisit (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2025 (UTC)".

• Note nominations merged per request. Thryduulf (talk) 02:53, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment at first glance these all seem like harmless {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} redirects and at least some are the result of page moves, so I'm leaning keep, especially if they aren't G5 eligible (I haven't looked into why yet). Thryduulf (talk) 02:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all except the Disney ones (neutral on those). Except for the Disney ones, these are all disruptive pointless moves that should have been reverted without leaving redirects, some of whose disambiguators are highly implausible, and certainly not helpful. The Disney ones seem to have also been around a move request, and I'm not sure of the full story there, so staying neutral for now. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete and then recreate without history from the sock I checked all of them, and they appear to be 100% correct User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:19, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Viacom International Media Networks (Africa)

• Viacom International Media Networks (Africa) → Paramount International Networks  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Listed this for discussion as I see no use at time in retaining this title! Still worth it? Intrisit (talk) 22:03, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Good articles

• Good articles → WP:Good articles  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
• Good article → WP:Good articles  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
• Good Articles → WP:Good articles  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
• Good Article → WP:Good articles  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
• Good articles on Wikipedia → English Wikipedia#WikiProjects and assessment  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These should point to the same place. Both are the results of two prior RfDs with incompatible outcomes (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 1#Good articles on Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 20#Good articles). Which is it? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:51, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget all to English Wikipedia#WikiProjects and assessment per the arguments made by myself and others in the 2024 RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget all to English Wikipedia#WikiProjects and assessment per my comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 July 20#Redirects to Wikipedia:Good articles. This addresses the Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects concerns and points readers to a mainspace article that discusses and links to Wikipedia:Good articles. Cunard (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all except "Good articles on Wikipedia". Way too generic of a phrase to justify redirects anywhere, especially somewhere so omphaloskeptic. Could just as easily be talking about Pulitzer winners, or any of a number of other things. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• retarget all per above. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 13:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete all except "Good articles on Wikipedia" as per IP editor. No affinity for specifically Wikipedia. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

!vote

• !vote → Negation#Programming language and ordinary language  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. The current situation, while the result of an RfD, amounts to an attempted compromise that just splits the baby; either this bit of wikijargon deserves a cross-namespace redirect or it doesn't and should be deleted; in no other situation would we redirect to a mainspace target that merely provides vague hints of this sort. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:09, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete or retarget to match WP:!VOTE. I agree with Pppery. The information at Negation is not enough to understand this term, because !vote as used on Wikipedia doesn't just mean "not a vote", but rather reflects a bit of philosophical history of how our decision-making works. The current target is so unhelpful in clarifying this term that someone has added a hatnote there, resulting in a silly situation where everyone following this redirect to the current target is best served by immediately clicking on the hatnote. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:43, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Neither the arcane programming term nor Wikipedia's own internal jargon deserves this unhelpful and confusing redirect. Bishonen | tålk 21:47, 27 July 2025 (UTC).
• Keep. User:Pppery, the target article says, “For example, the phrase !voting means ‘not voting’”. Also, editors in this thread might find a link to the previous RfD useful: link. Regarding the hatnote at the target, it should remain regardless of this redirect, and I don’t see anyone here arguing otherwise. Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:59, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  That example in the article is both unsourced and misleading; the way !vote is actually used (at least in Wikipedia discussions) means something more specific than just "not voting". The text not voting in the article is wikilinked and leads to the Abstention article; that's definitely not what !vote means around here. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Retarget to match WP:!VOTE. Otherwise keep. The current target article clearly explains what the prefix “!” means in ordinary language, and gives the well-sourced example of !clue which means clueless. It’s very difficult to search for words that have the “!” prefix, because search engines ignore the exclamation mark even if the whole term is surrounded by quote marks, but I found this source which correctly defines !vote. Anyway, the main thing is, that people who encounter “!vote” should be able to put it in the Wikipedia search box to find out what it means. I don’t much care how this is achieved, but it should be achieved one way or the other. Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Gummint

• Gubmint → Government  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Gummint → Government  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Wikipedia is not Urban Dictionary Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep. Pages get around 10 monthly page views on average, with lows in the 1-pageview-in-a-month range and peaks as high as 20-30... with Gubmint specifically having a huge spike to 131 pageviews in April 2024 alone. These redirects ARE being used by SOMEONE. Yes, Wikipedia is not Urban Dictionary-- that means that we don't have unsourced definitions of slang words. That does NOT mean that we should avoid making redirects from actively-used slang words to the correct article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep. The redirects are in use and the targets are not controversial. —Psychonaut (talk) 06:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. There is no indication, or indeed any way to prove, that anyone using these redirects actually gets to what they really wanted. They may well have actually wanted the two (each) legitimate mentions of these words that would be better revealed by Search if the redirects didn't obscure them. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Which would be where??? As far as I can tell, this is a phonetic spelling of "government" said in certain accents. In order to establish WP:XY we need to know what other place someone might want to go. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:29, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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keep per above. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 06:25, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Neutral on this, but noting that the recent and similar Feral gummint → Federal government of the United States RFD ended with a deletion. BugGhost 🦗👻 15:26, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I'd say that "Feral" would've had an outsized influence on my own decision if I were to vote on that one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Do not keep. The only thing that these terms have in common with the target, is that they start with a "g" and end with a "nt". This is not a likely typo of the word government. Government does not contain a "b", nor a "u", nor an "i". Plausible that this could be referring to gumming (off by one letter), gummite (off by two letters), even Gummi T (off by one letter). There are several options, and I would suggest deletion for this vague term that isn't covered at the target. In absence of deletion, I would weakly support a wiktionary redirect to wikt:gubmint and wikt:gummint respectively, which mentions these terms and link back to government. Someone dropping the "o", the "v", the "r", the "n", and both of the "e"s from the word government, while adding a "u", a "b" or an extra "m", and an "i", is not looking for a basic article on the government. That's 8 or 9 modifications too many; at best we account for one as an accident. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:09, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  None of us are suggesting this is an R from typo; this is instead an R from alternative spelling (namely, a spelling based on a regional dialect). People aren't accidentally typing this in; they're typing it this way on purpose, and the fact that wiktionary entries for both exist prove that. WP:RTYPO doesn't apply here. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  If this was merely a misspelling, then it wouldn't have to be mentioned. If the baseline is that searchers are typing this in on purpose, we should give them content that is as directly related to their search term as we can. We don't have any material about the intentional search term of "gummint" on Wikipedia. At best we have Wiktionary. If we are treating this as an intentional search term, then we must give readers an intentional result, or a mention to substantiate the search, because these are vastly different from the target definition and WP:RASTONISHing in a vacuum for anyone who isn't an insider. I.e. someone who misspelled the word "gumming" or "Gummi T" would have zero clue why the ended up at a page about the government, as nothing at the page for government would be able to educate them, or provide the slightest context about dialects that spell the word differently. There is no obvious distinction to readers why gummint -> government (with 8 variation from search term) over gummint -> gumming (1 variation from search term); the "dialect" version is insanely obscure, if it's even a real thing outside of a hypercasual urbandictionary setting. Adding a mention of "gummint" to the page for government would also be a pointless tangent on said page, so a Wiktionary redirect would satisfy those searchers at a minimum (but honestly we probably don't need to have any type of redirect for the lurches of urbandictionary to account for random citation-needed dialects that specify the spelling "gummint" instead of "government").

Post-research: We don't need lazy spellings for situations where "this word contains a possibly negative connotation, so people use less syllables for it to show disdain" dialect (wikt:gubmint corroborates). People search Wikipedia by typing in the name of the topic, not by typing in their disdain-version with less letters because they don't like the government so they're calling it the gummint instead. Wiktionary provides the bare minimum context for this eye variant at wikt:gummint, but I don't think we even need to hold reader's hands that far, because wiktionary will pop up with a regular Wikipedia search regardless. But it's better than stranding readers on a page with zero of the above context as the current target does. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:38, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per Utopes; this is ridiculous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:35, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• I will specify that my preference is deletion over a wiktionary redirect. If this page was to remain, wiktionary is the only place that could explain these searches, but I don't see any need for such a redirect to exist. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. We don't need to wiktionary-redirect every possible term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:35, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Kænugarðr

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 24 § Cænugeard – Keep

• Kænugarðr → Kyiv  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not necessary to have an Icelandic redirects for Kyiv, since Icelandic is not a common language in Ukraine A1Cafel (talk) 03:26, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. This is an Old Norse name (see this for more information) so I think the redirect is useful for early medieval contexts. Mellk (talk) 05:54, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment Adding in a previous RfD which bundled this nomination. Results for this particular entry was keep, with justification "Keep Kænugarðr as an alternative spelling or a plausible misspelling of Koenugarðr, which according to the Ukrainian article is what the city was known as in the sagas." as said by Uanfala — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 22:09, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per WP:FORRED and as unmentioned. I don't see any particular affinity here. I don't understand the above keep rationale, as it basically boils down to "it was used", which isn't exactly unusual. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:46, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Updating to retarget per Adumbrativus below. That should be fine, but it's probably best if the name is bolded, and an anchor is added that the redirect can target specifically. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 06:56, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Names of Kyiv. In March 2024, Names of Kyiv was created. Since then, Kyiv no longer mentions Kænugarðr while the subtopic article does. Adumbrativus (talk) 03:54, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Revert vandalism

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 May 3 § Revert vandalism → Help:Reverting – retarget

• Revert vandalism → Vandalism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target page doesn't explain "reverting" vandalism very well in terms of cleaning it (as far as I can see in that article). I suggest retargeting to Wiki#Controlling changes or Wiki#Security because this can cover different wikis. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 02:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete if appropriate retarget isn't found:The concept of "reverting vandalism" is not unique to wikis, nor is it unique to the online space in general; perhaps the exact phrasing of 'reverting' vandalism instead of 'removing' it would be a hint as to it being specifically vandalism on a website, but that still doesn't specifically point us to wikis-- website defacement is a real thing, and the process of undoing that would in fact be considered "reverting vandalism".

That said, we can't stay here. The 2009 RFD on this redirect mentioned that the Vandalism article briefly discusses the removal of vandalism, and that was sufficient for retargeting there; unfortunately, as Justjourney notes, the 2025 version of the Vandalism article doesn't, or at least does so so briefly that anyone actually looking for specifically the removal of vandalism would be ill-served to be redirected here. (Notwithstanding the fact that this redirect isn't refined in any way, so instead of being taken to a section specifically about removal of vandalism, the reader is instead taken to the very top of a long article that, at first blush, isn't what they asked for.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak retarget to Vandalism on Wikipedia#Counter-vandalism measures, although vandalism is not unique to Wikipedia, so it's not a perfect target. Duckmather (talk) 05:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Wiki#Security per nom. --cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 22:46, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per Lunamann. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:36, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment for the record I'm fine with this redirect either targeting Vandalism on Wikipedia#Counter-vandalism measures or Wiki#Security. Duckmather (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. In the non-Wikipedia world, this could refer to concepts such as removing graffiti, repairing property damaged during riots, etc. Steel1943 (talk) 00:01, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Chlodwig

• Chlodwig → Louis (given name)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm open to keeping the status quo, redirecting to Clovis (given name), or other alternatives. I was at Luigi, followed the link to Chlodwig and was "astonished" to read the opening line of Louis (given name) which contains the very similar name Chlodowig which is a piped link to Clovis (given name), and wondered why these don't point to the same place. Louis may, indeed, be the better target but it's not obvious to me. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:56, 5 July 2025 (UTC) EDIT: I have specified a preference below. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, or Retarget to Chlodwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst. There is absolutely no reason to have redirects created from every ancient form of every given name; that's just absurd. That's why we have the "Search" function (in addition to the "Go" function) in the search field, to locate all instances of the term, not just the one Neelix happened to turn his obsessive and nonsensical brain to. Softlavender (talk) 22:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

  My hesitation is that it is used in two articles where it is linked with reference to the name, and none in reference to this or any other individual named Chlodwig. A Google search turns up a variety of references, including to the fellow you linked and to Clovis I aka, apparently, Chlodwig. I take your point about not creating redirects for every variant of a name that has ever been attested, but where a redirect is used in article space in this way, I'm inclined to keep or redirect to a more appropriate given name, but not retarget to a specific individual that no editor has linked mononymously this way. A DAB page would be better than this. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 23:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Notified Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy. Note that I previously notified Talk:Louis (given name), Talk:Luigi, Talk:Lewis (given name), Talk:Lewis (given name) and several editors who have contributed to Chlodwig. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget – definitely to either Chlodwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst or Clovis I. They should both probably have Template:Distinguish to each other in that case however. Ike Lek (talk) 16:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep or redirect to Clovis I, as the two most likely targets. A number of Frankish royal names have no standardized spelling, but are found in numerous forms, and this is one of them. It needs to redirect either to Louis or possibly to Clovis, as they are the same name. Presumably the link at Louis goes to "Clovis (given name)" because otherwise it would be a recursive link and uninformative; the same word can certainly link to different places depending on context, and in that case anyone clicking on it would be looking for historical information. Without that distinction, "Louis" makes as much sense—perhaps more, because the redirect is a spelling variation. Strongly oppose redirecting to "Chlodwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst", as an extremely improbable search target for the bare name. Most English speakers will be familiar with the name "Louis", many with Clovis I, very few with this German prince. That redirect would certainly astonish many readers. P Aculeius (talk) 16:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
• NOTE: Chlodwig is not mentioned anywhere prominently or in bold in Clovis I. (It's buried deep in the body text and one has to use Control+F to even find it.) Therefore, I struggle to understand why that article is being promoted as a superior retarget. Softlavender (talk) 21:08, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

  Because most uses of it (under any spelling) encountered by readers are likely to be references to the Frankish king. Though there were other notable persons—including notable Franks—by this name, as well as partial title matches (such as the above-mentioned German noble, and the Clovis culture of North America and their characteristic spearheads), Clovis I sweeps the field among persons whose names are likely to be rendered simply as "Clodowig", "Chlodowig" "Clodwig", "Chlodwig", etc. P Aculeius (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

  A condition for redirects is that the term be featured prominently, preferably in bold, in the target article, so there is no puzzlement from the reader as to why they ended up on that page when they were searching for something entirely and noticeably different. Since Clovis I still fails in that regard, I continue to oppose redirecting to that article. Softlavender (talk) 01:54, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

  There's no such condition. Many thousands of morphological variants lead to the topics they're variants of without being "featured prominently" in the articles they target. In fact it would be absurd if persons (or things) whose names were spelled, though infrequently, in numerous ways had to feature each variation "prominently, preferably in bold". It's more common to have a subsection listing variant names, or simply to place a footnote in the lead. P Aculeius (talk) 13:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

  P, in my opinion you don't sound very familiar with redirects or the conditions and rationales involved. "Chlodwig" or some variation of it would need to be mentioned in the lead, preferably the lead sentence, for the redirect to make sense to anyone typing in the term and clicking on what comes up. Generally people who type in a term are looking for someone by that very name, hence Chlodwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst. Most people can't remember the tongue-twisting rest of the name and so would simply type in "Chlodwig".

  "Chlodwig" and "Clovis" are not even spelling variants of each other, and differ too much to be understood by an unexplained redirect. If there are still people who want "Clovis" to be considered as a target, then in my opinion the only solution is Chlodwig (disambiguation), which would, quite obviously, list Chlodwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst (and any other wiki titles with "Chlodwig" in them) first, and could then list or mention Clovis and/or various Clovises. Softlavender (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

  Though I poo-pooed the idea below, Chlodwig (disambiguation) is preferable to redirecting to Chlodwig, Prince of Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst. "Chlodwig" used alone for Clovis I is well attested, even if this is not his most common name, and that is the far more popular page, and readers following links about the history of the name won't be helped much by the German prince article. I would quibble about which "Chlowig" to list first on the page, but such content questions could be dealt with on the DAB talk page itself. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:50, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  Indeed, "Chlodwig" even shows up in some dictionaries defined as Clovis I.[36][37] I am leaning towards Clovis (given name) as the best redirect. This is consistent with the two uses in articles currently, pointing to the origin of other names, and would lead readers to Clovis I and all the other Chlodwigs and Clovises. Clovis I could be mentioned in the lead or otherwise made more prominent there if there is concern that enough readers are looking for this individual (he is, of course, listed already). A new Chlodwig (disambiguation) Chlodwig DAB page (not that anyone has suggested this) page seems may be extraneous and would mostly point to and duplicate entries from Clovis (given name). WikiNav[38][39] shows a fair bit of traffic between Clovis (given name), Louis (given name), and the related names. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 03:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Clovis (given name) or DAB. The given name article already contains the etymology and lists individuals called "Chlodwig". Readers clicking Chlodwig from one of the other given name articles or entering the search term after seeing the name in reference to Clovis I will be confused and potentially mislead if they land at the article for the relatively obscure German prince. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
• DAB per my draft. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Voorts where might we find this draft? --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 02:42, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  At Chlodwig. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:52, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks. I've added Clovis I. The entry could be qualified with "(Old) German name for…" but this seemed redundant. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 04:04, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  I think the entry for Clovis is redundant since the first sentence links to the given name page. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  Clovis I is the only individual who is routinely attested as "Chlodwig" mononymously in reliable sources, including standard dictionaries[40][41][42] and the reference work I cited on the draft DAB. It's a disservice to readers to obscure this. I would prefer to lead with something like "Chlodwig is the German name for Clovis I, first king of the Franks…" and then list the two lesser-known nobles and Clovis (given name), but I won't die on that hill. Perhaps listing "Other people named Clovis (given name)" as the last bullet and reworking the opening sentence would be better. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:03, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  Changed it. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:01, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguate. Compare de:Chlodwig. The overlap between Clovis, Chlodwig, Louis, Lewis, Ludwig, Ludovicus drives me nuts but the solution is a project-wide shift in how we handle given names and that is not on the table here. Srnec (talk) 22:58, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Clovis (given name) per nom as primary topic per voorts' drafted dab. Do the same for Chlodowig. Copy the drafted dab at Chlodwig (disambiguation). Jay 💬 12:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  A reader searching for "Chlodwig" (I presume this is already a small population) would likely be looking for someone with that name or information about that name. I find it unlikely someone would search Wikipedia using that name and expect or hope to end up at a page that disambiguates the name "Clovis". In any event, the first sentence of Chlodwig links directly to Clovis (given name). If we were to go your route, it should be at Chlodwig (given name). voorts (talk/contributions) 15:07, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep as the given name page and ditch the redirect. Three notables is more than enough for a name list. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Addendum: Remove the two Chlodwigs from Clovis (given name). Clarityfiend (talk) 09:45, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, there is no Chlodwig (given name) page. Softlavender (talk) 02:20, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

@Softlavender: It's there on the same page under the redirect. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

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@Softlavender & @P Aculeius: are you okay with the DAB I drafted? voorts (talk/contributions) 00:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't see a dab page. I see that you have edited the redirect page. I have removed a statement from it that did not match the citation. Softlavender (talk) 02:20, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

@Softlavender: yes, drafts are routinely placed on the redirect page during RfD discussions. Do you maintain your earlier !vote? voorts (talk/contributions) 03:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I certainly prefer that new text to any retargeting to a completely different name. Softlavender (talk) 03:17, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

No, not if the only persons listed are two obscure nineteenth-century aristocrats. Since this is a mere spelling variation of Chlodowig, Hluodwig, etc. it should probably list other Frankish kings or nobles who might be found under this spelling (no matter which spelling is the most frequent), or redirect to A) the most important article under any of them (Clovis I) or B) whichever spelling is used as a disambiguation page for the majority of them (such as "Clovis (given name)" or "Louis (given name)"). Otherwise we have a fractured disambiguation tree where each spelling variation is a separate list, disambiguation page, or redirect, even though there is no sharp distinction between them, and readers might use any of the spellings to search for various persons. The present version misleadingly suggests that the said nineteenth century aristocrats are the only notable persons who might be searched for under this spelling. P Aculeius (talk) 11:44, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

European area

• European area → European Economic Area  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is ambiguous. Not all European states are in the EEA so I think it should be deleted. JuniperChill (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambg either by retargetting to Europe (disambiguation) or to a new set index titled something like (but ideally better than) List of supranational areas in Europe listing European Economic Area, European Union, European Communities, European Higher Education Area, Eurozone, Single Euro Payments Area, Free trade areas in Europe, European Common Aviation Area, European Broadcasting Area, Schengen Area, European Union Customs Union, Common Travel Area, Warsaw Pact (maybe better as a see also), NATO (ditto), Euratom, European single market and any others. Thryduulf (talk) 12:52, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
• Dabify Per Thryduulf. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:53, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
•  Question: What would the inclusion criteria be for this SIA? Those articles are on a wide range of topics, from education and aviation to defense and the markets. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Thryduulf & @Servite et contribuere. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  Exactly what the title says: supranational areas in Europe that have an article. Why is those areas having a variety of purposes an issue? Thryduulf (talk) 01:29, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as vague per nom, and not a suitable disambiguation title. Europe (disambiguation) is too broad for a retarget. We don't have a SIA about areas, and I don't know if supranational areas will be a good target for this term. European region redirects to Region (Europe) if that can be considered as an WP:ATD. European state and European countries redirect to List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe. European countries by area redirects to List of European countries by area. Jay 💬 09:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per Jay. It's a nebulous term and certainly not synonymous with European Economic Area (or any other article I can think of off the top of my head other than perhaps simply Europe). Clarityfiend (talk) 09:49, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Delete per Jay. Disambugation is for things which can reasonably share the same title, not to make suggestions for close-but-no-cigar vague terms. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:44, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

  I'm not proposing a disambiguation page, I'm proposing a list article. Thryduulf (talk) 16:25, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Region (Europe) as an ATD per Jay. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:24, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete. Too ambiguous for any one target to make sense, too vague and general for a disambiguation page or set index to work. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:46, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Mixy (TV programming block)

• Mixy (TV programming block) → The Ferals#After the Ferals  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

An AFD on this title resulted in a merge into its current target indicated about an Australian children's comedy TV series which has no bearing on it whatsoever apart from a few mentions. So, I'm listing it here for a discussion, thoughts? Worth still keeping this? Intrisit (talk) 21:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep as a suitable target that mentions the Mixy TV programming block, in the absence of a Mixy article. (Mixy for some reason is a redirect to a rabbit disease!) The AfD outcome of retarget was proper, but the merge that happened dumped all content into the #After_the_Ferals section, while ideally only a few sentences were worthy of merge. I have now removed most of it, and comments are welcome. Jay 💬 04:43, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  One of the comments at the AfD had suggested the merge to the red-linked Children's television in Australia, but there was a Children's programming on ABC Television available at the time too, which was not suggested. It now is little more than a stub, and not a target that can take contain entire details of a TV programming block. Without enhancing the article to list all programming blocks, a mention of Mixy would be undue. Jay 💬 04:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  So why did you vote keep since it has no definitive target to target this one to? Even the target itself indicated has no info on this, how much more even keeping this redirect any longer? It's only such a shame that a history merge into the target is impossible under parallel histories, otherwise I wouldn't have listed this over here! Intrisit (talk) 20:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Arrowroot biscuit

• Arrowroot biscuit → Uraro  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Arrowroot biscuits → Arrowroot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

there is also an australian biscuit called a "milk arrowroot biscuit" that, based off my research, looks to be different from uraro User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

• Hmm. And Arrowroot biscuits redirects to Arrowroot, so we should sort that out too. There are mentions of the Australian type at Arnott's Group, Cecil Augustus Motteram, William Arnott (biscuit manufacturer). Biscuit also names arrowroot as a variety and has an image of one. So maybe Biscuit#Semi-sweet is the best we can do? It would be good to mention uraro there, though. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
• Note I've added Arrowroot biscuits to this discussion as the plural and singular should have the same target, whatever that ends up being. Thryduulf (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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There is also a Canadian arrowroot biscuit, made by Christie (Nabisco). Definitely not the same as either the Filipino cookies or the Australian ones, although I suspect the Canadian and Australian ones share a common British heritage. I'm shocked that we don't have an article on them.--Srleffler (talk) 00:04, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

• As noted by Srleffler, Uraro is a Filipino traditional cookie and not all Arrowroot biscuits are Uraro - so, I feel it is misleading given that other countries also have "commercial" arrowroot biscuits - might make sense to keep just Arrowroot biscuits (currently a redirect to Arrowroot) and develop it as article to include details such as the ones Srleffler mentioned and delete Arrowroot biscuit. Asteramellus (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

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• I don't have a strong opinion on whether the article Astermellus suggests would pass notability, but if it is written then Arrowroot biscuit should redirect to it. Thryduulf (talk) 13:35, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

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• We appear to be in something of a Teacake/Krembo situation here (see Talk:Chocolate-coated marshmallow treats/Archive 2). I think the best solution is to Retarget both to Arrowroot, and if an article specifically on the biscuit is written, one of the redirects can be overwritten. Tevildo (talk) 20:04, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Avant Prarie, Texas

• Avant Prarie, Texas → Dew, Texas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Its misspelled. Even if spelled correctly, it probably wouldn’t receive views. Roast (talk) 23:38, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Nominator comment: “any views” is hyperbolic, but it still gets next to nothing (2 in past 90 days). Roast (talk) 23:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

•  Comment: I see I created the redir in 2007, but don't remember anything about it. Possibly from some typo? No particular opinion about it; no objection to deletion if it isn't of any use. -- Infrogmation (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and creator. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:28, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak keep as a typo by omission of a single character, a common form of typo. Avant Prairie, Texas would be the correctly spelled form, and Avant Prairie the base term; either of which this redirect could be displaced to as a {{R from former name}} for the current target -- 65.93.183.181 (talk) 03:24, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per IP. I didn't realize Avant Prairie was a former name for the place. (My bad for not reading the article more closely.) Prarie is a redirect to the correct spelling so we've established that this misspelling is plausible. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 14:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep: single character omission which is both a plausible misspelling and a plausible typo. Jruderman (talk) 02:57, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Delete. Yeah, it's a plausible spelling error (important distinction here...as a spelling error, not a typo), but it's of an obscure town that was changed 150 years ago. I don't think this is really helping anyone. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:45, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  On second thought, a stronger delete. It's sort of a medium likelihood spelling error, but it's as part of a town name that's also formatted to include the name of the state. Adding to that the obscurity of the place (< 100 population I think the article said), and that its name was changed so long ago, this is just pointless to keep around. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:07, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per IP35. We don't have an Avant Prarie either. Jay 💬 02:53, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per IP 35. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Muƹawiya

• Muƹawiya → Mu'awiya I  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I cannot find this usage anywhere else on the internet, though it's possible google is failing me due to the weird character. I don't believe ƹ and ' are reasonably interchangeable in this manner, though I am not a linguist and will gladly be corrected by someone who knows this area better than me. Rusalkii (talk) 04:03, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment the article on ƹ implies that it was most commonly used in the 1940s-1980s, a period of time underrepresented on the internet so a lack of uses known to Google is not definitive. The Arabic letter (Ayin#Arabic ʿayn) it is/was used to transcribe does appear in the Arabic name for the target given in the infobox ("معاوية"), so it is not impossible this is an old transliteration - however I am not an Arabic speaker or familiar with the target topic area at all, so I'm not really qualified to speak to its plausibility. I'll see if I can find an appropriate WikiProject to alert to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment/Weak Keep I'm not an expert on Arabic so IDK if this usage is likely to ever get searched for, but from from a linguistic perspective ƹ and ' do seem to both represent the same sound, a voiced pharyngeal fricative. Both are used to transliterate the Arabic ع‎. So the redirect seems plausible. Redirects are cheap, but do we normally redirect phonetic transcriptions to their articles? -- LWG ^talk 15:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
• Lean delete. We normally redirect transliterations, transcriptions, and alternative forms where an all-ASCII variant points to the correct version with diacritics or other "special characters" (Beyonce → Beyoncé) or for official or widely used schemes likely to be encountered by readers (Hànyǔ Pīnyīn → Pinyin). Here we have an unusual character ⟨ƹ⟩ that requires special keyboard entry and a transcription we can't find attested anywhere outside of this redirect. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  See my above comments. Google not knowing about it is not the same thing as it not being attested anywhere, especially as the most likely places for it to have been used are among the least likely places for Google to have indexed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  Your comments along with LWG's and the listing comment by Rusalkii are why I'm only lean/weak delete and why I waited several days to weigh in, to see if more support for this transcription would materialize. I should have addressed this directly. It doesn't quite pass my threshold for plausibility/utility, even if I can rationalize a use case, but I'm open to it. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep Per Redirect Creator. Tiny Particle (talk) 11:33, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

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Tail wing

• Tail wing → Empennage  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tail-wing → Tailplane  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These should point at the same target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

• Probably target both to empennage, which includes a section on tail planes, or disambiguate. Cremastra (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
• It could also refer to a canard or a delta wing. I suggest disambiguating. Carguychris (talk) 17:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Are any of these referred to as tail "wing"? Also, aren't canard and delta wing tailless? Jay 💬 10:02, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, they are both technically tailless, but it requires some technical knowledge to realize that "tail" refers to the empennage, and not simply to the rear of the aircraft. I've had someone ask me what to call an airplane "with the big wing at the tail", pointing to a canard. Carguychris (talk) 04:07, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

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Wouldn't that be the tail fin? Is "tail wing" only a colloquial usage, or are there sources that phrase it in this way? Both Empennage and Tailplane don't mention a "tail wing". Jay 💬 05:33, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Retarget both to Tailplane, based on a very unscientific survey of what Google considers "tail wing" to mean. All the articles it suggests are for tailplanes, not empennages. Tevildo (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Nile Canal

• Nile Canal → Suez Canal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This isn’t a correct redirect. Even googling “Nile Canal” brings up something up totally different. The previous edit to this page actually said to bring it to RFD so here I am. Therefore, I say Delete. Thepharoah17 (talk) 08:33, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment the redirect has history as an article. The last version before being redirected was proposed for merging with Suez Canal, and Suez Canal#Precursors does include most of the information (although not the term "Nile Canal") so this might be an unattributed {{R from merge}}, although the discussion was brief (2 editors) and didn't achieve consensus. al-Ma'mun al-Bata'ihi#New Nile canal and observatory mentions a new canal (without giving it a name) constructed in 1113-1115, which is not mentioned at Suez Canal and seems unrelated to it. Bashmur#Location talks of "a Nile canal" but the Nile article doesn't mention canals other than Jonglei Canal much further upstream. I'm leaning towards refining to Suez Canal#Precursors, especially if the term is added there, but I'm not certain. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete or convert to a disambiguation page: The Suez Canal is not connected to the Nile, so it's clearly unhelpful to redirect there. The "predecessors", which is to say the ancient/medieval canals between the Nile and the Red Sea, are covered in two articles already: Canal of the Pharaohs and Khalij (Cairo). Neither of them is really known as the "Nile Canal" to my knowledge, which is why I think deleting as too vague is fine, otherwise a DAB that links to both those articles (and any other articles that might be reasonably relevant) is also fine. R Prazeres (talk) 15:56, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Dabify per Prazeres -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 03:45, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
•  Disambiguation draft requested Thepharoah17 (talk) 06:09, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - there is no "Nile Canal" per Thryduulf and R Prazeres. Nile canals cannot be a disambig page as it is not referred to as such as a term for the canals connecting from the Nile, but it can be a redirect to Suez Canal#Precursors which mentions both Canal of the Pharaohs and Khalij. Jay 💬 10:31, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  However we need an opinion on the pre-BLAR content of 24.80.151.193 of 3 December 2005. It had plenty of sources but was duplicate of the Suez Canal article of the time per the BLARer. Jay 💬 10:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

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• I wonder if redirecting this to a List of canals in Egypt page that includes all the waterways listed above might be the way to go? If there are or were any canals on the Nile upstream of Egypt then they can be linked in a hatnote? Thryduulf (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• dabify per above drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 11:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
• dabify Sorry to throw a late and possibly inappropriate spanner into the works, but it is my understanding that there was an ancient canal between the Tigris and Euphrates, extant in the 11th or 12th century, that was referred to as the Nile Canal. It's mentioned in a story 'The Lion of Tiberias' (1933) by Robert E. Howard thus: "The great canal men called the Nile, that connected the Euphrates with the distant Tigris, was choked with bodies of the tribesmen, . . . ." While Howard wrote much fantasy, his historical fiction was usually grounded in good background research.

  I actually found this discussion while looking for more information about said canal, which the story suggests was near Hilla (and thus the site of Babylon), so from the article Nahr Isa would likely have been one of the three more southerly canals called Nahr Sarsar, Nahr Malik, and Nahr Kutha. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

  So which entries would you disambiguate this with? Hillah mentions a Nile City. Are you suggesting the Hilla Canal was the Nile Canal? There is no "Nile" at Nahr Isa. Readers who know Nile is in Egypt will be confused to end up near Baghdad if there is no explanation. Jay 💬 06:44, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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Turkish genocide (19th–20th century)

• Turkish genocide (19th–20th century) → Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Turkish genocide (1820–1920) → Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Genocide of Turkish people → Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish genocide; the concerns there do not appear to have been addressed by adding a timestamp. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

There's also Turkish genocide (1820–1920) and Genocide of Turkish people from the same creator, might be worth bundling? 86.23.87.130 (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Added those. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:42, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Also listed Turkish massacre. Maybe all of these should be considered together. Bogazicili (talk) 20:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

• At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 24#Turkish massacre I recommend disambiguating that term. If that gains consensus then redirecting this to it will probably be the most helpful - this could refer to genocide of Turks or genocide by Turks. Thryduulf (talk) 21:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete There are no reliable sources that will actually claim there was a genocide of Turks happening for over a century. This is fringe historical negationism, generally only claimed by deniers of the Armenian/Greek/Assyrian genocides. Claiming that Turks were the real victims of genocide is a form of Armenian/Greek/Assyrian genocide denial (see Iğdır Genocide Memorial and Museum), as thus doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Therefore, these titles are not appropriate, as they were titled by a Wikipedia user last month, not by credible historians. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 05:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
• After the Turkish genocide AFD, it was recreated as a redirect, and remained as such for 2 years, having been edited by 7 editors with 4 different targets. It was deleted (I would say incorrectly) by the AfD closer Sandstein as a G4. Another redirect Turkey genocide created in 2017 still stands. Jay 💬 05:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Genocide_of_Turkish_people is specific and cannot be retargeted to the massacre dab which is for by and of Turks. From the List_of_massacres_of_Turkish_ people, only the Persecution_of_Muslims_during_the_Ottoman_contraction (the current target) includes genocide, so that can be a keep.

From the List_of_massacres_in_Turkey, it is mostly the WW1 ones perpetrated by the Young Turks that are seen as genocide (Greek, Assyrian, Armenian, Yazidi). So overall, the massacre dab is too broad a target for any Turkish genocide redirects, and a Turkish genocide can be made a dab similar to the massacre dab (of and by). Turkey_genocide (not bundled here) can be retargeted to the new dab.

On the timestamped redirects, the period of 1820-1920 is mentioned by multiple sources and the infobox of the current target, so I'm Ok with that timestamp. Not so much with 19th–20th century, because WW1 that comes under 20th century, makes the title vague, and it may be deleted. Jay 💬 14:38, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Alternative Whispy Woods names and unhelpful lists

• Twin Woods → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Whispy Borg → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Flowery Woods → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Yggdral Woods → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Whispy Flowers → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kirby series enemies → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Kirby series bosses → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Originally thought this was a one and done when I nominated Yggy Woods' redirect earlier, turns out there were a lot more. While the character Whispy Woods seems to have a use on-wiki, a bunch of his variations from when the character list was redirected just are not mentioned anywhere else and seem like particularly minor characters. Additionally, now with the character list gone, many of the older redirects for old character lists merged into the one just redirected are now unhelpful, since the new target does not discuss "Kirby enemies" or bosses as a group. All in all, these are not useful redirects, and should probably be deleted. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 16:17, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Retarget Twin Woods to Kirby Super Star and Flowery Woods to Kirby Triple Deluxe since both are characters mostly limited to their respective game, Keep Kirby series enemies and Kirby series bosses while merging some of the information from the old character list into the Kirby (series) article and Delete the rest since they appear to be incorrect/strange name variations. Computerfan0 (talk) 00:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

@Computerfan0 Twin Woods and Flowery Woods are both unmentioned at the targets and are rather minor characters in the grand scheme of the game. I also feel that even with merging the two redirects are inaccurate; the characters section is not discussing bosses or enemies, and the only ones that would have the coverage to be discussed are minimal and not a good reflection of what a reader would be looking for with that redirect. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:03, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Yggy Woods

• Yggy Woods → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A minor character not mentioned anywhere else on the encyclopedia following the character list being redirected. Doesn't seem to be particularly useful as a redirect as a result. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 16:07, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Retarget to Kirby Star Allies, since the character appeared only in that game. Computerfan0 (talk) 00:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

@Computerfan0 this character is unmentioned at that article and also a minor character in the game overall. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:04, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Origin-Revolving Hero

• Origin-Revolving Hero → Kirby (series)#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

What seems to be an alternate name for the character Galacta Knight. Seems to be very obscure, and no source I can find uses it. Given the character list is gone now, this name doesn't seem particularly helpful as a target for finding the character. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 16:06, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete. I don't think the character page should have been deleted in the first place, but even if it had stayed having a redirect from an obscure nickname/title seems pointless. Computerfan0 (talk) 00:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Xiling Society of the Seal Art

• Xiling Society of the Seal Art → Xiling Seal Art Society  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Odd and potentially confusing redirect since it could imply art made by seals rather than art of seals. Page was at this title for not even a full month over a decade ago. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 15:56, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Unsurprisingly this is a well-attested alternative translation of the target's name, which should probably be mentioned in the article. Thryduulf (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per Thryduulf. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:52, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Dovber Schneersohn

• Dovber Schneersohn → Dov-Ber  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure what's going on here. @Altenmann: redirected this to a given name page without explanation, but the previous target of Dovber Schneuri seems more appropriate ("Schneuri adopted the family name of "Schneuri," after his father, but succeeding generations changed it to "Schneersohn," or "Schneerson.") Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep It is very simple. (1) There are multiple Dovbers Shneersons; (2) not to say that right now I deleted the phrase about "succeeding generations" unreferenced for 4 years. One should know better than to redirect to unreferenced statements. (3) And as a final stroke, I am not sure how you concluded that Dovber Shneuri was known as DOvber shneerson, because the "succeeding generations" took the name Schneersohn for themselves, not for him. --Altenmann >talk 15:59, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Shalom Dovber

• Shalom Dovber → Sholom Dovber Schneersohn  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Shalom Dovber" or "Sholom Dovber" appears to be (although I'm not an expert) a given name and a middle name. There seem to be two articles about people with this combination of names: Sholom Lipskar to which Sholom Dovber Lipskar redirects; and Sholom Dovber Schneersohn. Sholom Dovber does not exist, and I think it's better to delete this and allow Search to work unfettered. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:23, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• keepp I merely killed an implausible disambig page and "Shalom Dovber Schneersohn" is a plausible (alt-)spelling. I am not sure why "Search" must work "unfettered". We do have redirects and disambig precisely to "fetter" the Search; after all, Google existed well before Wikipedia, so the First Wikipedians kneww what they were doing, right? --Altenmann >talk 16:18, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Quebec's

• Quebec's → Quebec  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The "'s" seems unnecessary and unlikely to be used A1Cafel (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - highly unlikely for a single word with a possessive to be thought to be an article title. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:57, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, unlikely to ever be used. Bishonen | tålk 21:49, 27 July 2025 (UTC).
• delete per above. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 13:25, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep, it's useful for linking purposes. I thought we turned the corner with these at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 21#Harry Potter's... -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:01, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Tavix: You up for fixing that discussion's close? It's wrong per the DRV. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Comment: I was going to cite this too. People use possessive forms of nouns all the time. Duckmather (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete as unlikely. The way to link these is [[Quebec]]'s to make "Quebec's", as the way the link should be constructed. Unless there is a specific reason why people might add in the apostrophes and s's into the Wikipedia search bar itself... we enter into the territory of the implausible. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:20, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per my stance in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 21#Harry Potter's (I was the nominator, after all) and since Quebec is not a person. Steel1943 (talk) 13:13, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Gymnophthalmoidea

• Draft:Gymnophthalmoidea → Gymnophthalmoidea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This page was never supposed to be created. I created Gymnophthalmoidea and forgot to redirect it to Lacertoidea, and a page mover moved it to draftspace. Now it has to be deleted. Jako96 (talk) 12:54, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Free grocery store

• Free grocery store → Food bank  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target. Potentially a misnomer. Beeps beeps (talk) 10:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

•  Comment: I notified the target of this RFD. Thepharoah17 (talk) 10:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
•  Comment: The Pratt Free Market in Baltimore calls itself a "free grocery store". I'm not certain how a free grocery store is distinct from a food bank. A cursory internet search shows that the term is used elsewhere to describe locations in Nashville, Minnesota, Atlanta, California, Florida, etc. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  There are 232,000 results for "free grocery store" on Google (in quotes), 19,400,000 for "food bank" and 12,200,000 for "food pantry". I think that makes it an obscure synonym.

  If "free grocery store" is a non-obscure synonym for "food bank", then Food bank should be updated to include the term. Beeps beeps (talk) 12:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep and add mention. I wouldn't say it's an obscure synonym, given it's in active use by these organizations to describe themselves-- with a very important caveat, in that from my understanding, "free grocery stores" differ from traditional food banks/pantries by allowing those who use their services to pick out their food themselves like in an actual grocery store, rather than getting pre-selected pre-rationed parcels of food i.e. a traditional food bank/food pantry. That sort of thing ABSOLUTELY deserves a mention in the main article on food banks, and heck-- we already have some sources to use, Bohemian Baltimore furnished us with suitable news articles two replies up.
  I'd say that a synonym is only obscure enough to NOT warrant a redirect, if there's little to no chance that anyone would actually type it in-- and someone encountering, for example, Pratt Free Market, or The Grocery Spot, or The Store, or any of these other 'free grocery stores' would absolutely want to pop the term into Wikipedia to find out more. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:23, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, no mention of this term at this time. Someone who types in the words "grocery" and "store" would be inclined to end up at a section of grocery store, which would be my preference if content were to exist (although I'm fine with letting it go altogether). At grocery store, it could be discussed that "grocery stores that are free, are food banks, etc. From there, could link to food bank, or other examples when a grocery store might be free, without being a food bank (if that is the case, unsure). At the end of the day, "free grocery store" has no words in common with "food bank" so I'm currently inclined to delete and let the search results handle it. If someone wants to add material about the marketing terms for food banks being "free grocery stores", whenever they want to do that, there is WP:NORUSH, and then the redirect can be substantiated with content at that point. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 03:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per Utopes. Steel1943 (talk) 14:19, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Pokémon/Bulbasaur

• Pokémon/Bulbasaur → Bulbasaur  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Pokémon/Kadabra → List of generation I Pokémon#Kadabra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These seem to be leftovers from erroneous article creations. They have no use and can be deleted. Manifestation (talk) 09:52, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Bulbasaur, was at this title for 6 minutes in 2021 and immediately moved back to the correct title. The Kadabra page is different, and has been an {{R from move}} for the last 21 years. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

מאָסקװע

• מאָסקװע → Moscow  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Nominating per WP:FORRED. This is the Yiddish language word for Moscow, but Moscow's name is not of Yiddish origin. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 17:11, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

 Comment: There are many cities in Eastern Europe with Yiddish names such as Lviv. Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

The article on Lviv says "Lviv was also a major centre of Jewish culture, in particular as a centre of the Yiddish language, and was the home of the world's first Yiddish-language daily newspaper, the Lemberger Togblat, established in 1904." That shows a strong connection between Lviv and Yiddish and justifies a redirect from Lviv's Yiddish name (also mentioned in the article). Unless a similar connection is demonstrated for Moscow, this redirect should be deleted. Toadspike [Talk] 18:45, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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Dwayne J

• Dwayne J → Dwayne Johnson  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous redirect, could also refer to Dwayne Jarrett, Dwayne Joseph, etc. I have already nominated another redirect for similar reasons, see below. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 13:30, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nom.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 09:15, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Dwayne#Given name where people using this search will find a link to whichever Dwayne J they were thinking of. Thryduulf (talk) 11:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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retarget per Thryduulf. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 16:30, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Not a nickname or moniker for anyone listed at Dwayne. Steel1943 (talk) 13:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Igloo Inc.

• Igloo Inc. → Pudgy Penguins  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. Even the prior spam-ridden version of the target that I reverted didn't discuss this with enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:01, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Igloo Products By far the most well-known trademark and plausible; most would be looking for the cooler manufacturer under this name rather than the other brute forcing questionable trademark. Nathannah • 📮 00:36, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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Rule 62

• Rule 62 → Alcoholics Anonymous  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

no mentions of a "rule 62" in the target article, though there is a Rule 62 (album). 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:6311:CAC1:2EA3:44E4 (talk) 12:49, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

• Move the album to the base title...this was a briefly unsourced article that quickly got BLARed to somewhere that didn't mention it. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:45, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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Republic of China era

• Republic of China era → Republic of China calendar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Most commonly refers Republic of China (1912–1949) (in the context of Chinese history) and History of Taiwan (1945–present) (in the context of Taiwanese history). Haven't seen this exact wording refer to the calendar. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 03:22, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Republic of China (disambiguation) which includes a link to the calendar as well as the historical periods. Thryduulf (talk) 12:39, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Except that DAB does not include History of Taiwan (1945–present). A better option would probably to disambiguate, modelled after zh:民國時期. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 04:19, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Disambiguate (drafted). This phrase is sometimes used for the calendar[43][44] but I think more often for the other two meanings. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  I don't object to that, but I think just adding History of Taiwan (1945–present) to the existing dab page would be preferable. Thryduulf (talk) 21:24, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Main Character Syndrome

• Main Character Syndrome → Narcissism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Protagonist Syndrome → Narcissism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention of subject at target article. Seemingly coined term. Jalen Barks (Woof) 03:54, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Should we bundle the redirect Protagonist Syndrome into this discussion? Jruderman (talk) 10:37, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  I see no problem with this. I could not find a mention of this in the article either. Jalen Barks (Woof) 14:21, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. The sources cited at Draft:Main character syndrome seem to indicate that this concept is distinct from narcissism. It might deserve its own article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:03, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

PMoI

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

DYRG

• DYRG → List of Intercontinental Broadcasting Corporation channels and stations#Defunct stations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 5 § DYRG – restore and AfD

Previous AfDs for this article:

• Articles for deletion/DYRG

No longer mentioned at target after May 14 redirect AfD closure and May 5 restore RfD closure. Delete enough article creation per WP:REDYES. 49.151.187.185 (talk) 01:49, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment the last RfD closed as "restore and send to AfD", the AfD closed as "Redirect to List of Intercontinental Broadcasting Corporation channels and stations#Defunct stations". Thryduulf (talk) 09:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Strobelight (song)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: move Strobelight (Kimberley Locke song) to Strobelight (song)

July 26

Template:Alpha

• Template:Alpha → Template:Unsorted list  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unused, unclear redirect. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:59, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Per the page history it's supposed to be shorthand for Alphabetize. 86.23.87.130 (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Trollpasta

• Trollpasta → Creepypasta#Trollpastas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The assertion that Trollpasta is notable is false. There isn't an abundance of reliable sources talking about the subject in depth. All previous attempts to add "trollpasta" to the article have only cited Know Your Meme, a group of random forum posts, and the Trollpasta Wiki, all of which are WP:UGC. No reliable sources talk about the subject and it is unlikely to reasonably be talked about in the article. To add, fame ≠ notable. 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 19:16, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 11 § Trollpasta – Keep

• Comment the previous RfD closed six days before this discussion was opened. That keep closure was based on a mention being added to the article, but that mention has twice been removed by the nominator here. Thryduulf (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  To be fair, the sourcing was purely UGC 🇺🇸Thegoofhere🇺🇸 (talk) 10:49, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and the previous RFD. Even those previous keep !votes were conditional upon a mention, which has been correctly reverted due to the poor sourcing. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:41, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Wheaton's Law

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Standard Lithium

• Standard Lithium → Smackover Formation#Mineral resources  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is the name of company and should not redirect to a geological formation. Johnjbarton (talk) 16:47, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment the company receives a passing mention in that section. Perhaps WP:RETURNTORED applies? — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 02:52, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, thanks. However I deleted the mention as it was not encyclopedic material. Johnjbarton (talk) 20:45, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep, Standard Lithium is a moderate size Canadian resource extraction company, and is traded on the NYSE. The redirect was added to what appeared, at the time, as the best WP:RETURNTORED redirect for it. The fact that the company name was deleted from one article as part of a editing discussion that is ongoing on the Smackover Formation article is temporary, and is in active discussion on the article Talk page. The company name is currently not in the article simply 'cause that is not the most important matter under discussion, and the other matter of explicating an important new lithium resource extraction exploration & development project is more important than whether the company name is mentioned (for now at least.) N2e (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  If Standard Lithium is WP:Notable then it should have an article or be red in the meantime. It should not be a redirect to an unrelated topic. Johnjbarton (talk) 15:11, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per N2e, whose argument convinced me that WP:RETURNTORED applies. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe there is a misunderstanding of what return to red means. If the article is potentially notable and only receives a passing mention (which N2e has noted), then it is best to delete the redirect to encourage the creation of a new article. I would like to point out there is the option of boldly creating the article AT the redirect (provided the information is sufficiently cited), in which case I will gladly retract my vote. — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 05:09, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Synod of Rome (313)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: moot.

Future SA20 years

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Let Them Eat Ice Cream

• Let Them Eat Ice Cream → Nancy Pelosi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Let Them Eat Ice Cream" is a book written by Margaret Minster and published in 1982 A1Cafel (talk) 03:24, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete or Retarget to Justified & Ancient#Formats and track listings (in default of an article on Minster's book being created). The phrase isn't mentioned in Pelosi's article - I gather that it's derived from an interview with James Corden, but does not appear to be a significant part of Pelosi's public image. Tevildo (talk) 12:11, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete If its not even mentioned in her article and was just a forgettable throwaway line said just on a TV interview, then it makes no sense for it to be used here. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:46, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Nothern Irish

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

South-African

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Soul of Asia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 August 2#Soul of Asia

Flander's fields

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

July 25

1956 Hungarian counter-revolution

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Suck a dick

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 17 § Suck my cock – Keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 6 § Suck my cock – Keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 17 § Suck my cock – delete

• Suck a dick → Fellatio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not useful, and self promotional for the original editor of the redirect. As per WP:RDEL "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful' and "The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam" in this case, for the original editor / creator Nayyn (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

close already deleted. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 09:11, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Sorry DrinksOrCoffee I've just reverted your close. Can someone explain what happened here? This redirect looks correct to me, the nom statement is baffling (not sure how it could be seen as self promo or spam or as a very obscure synonym), and the redirect got deleted while it was meant to be under discussion at RFD? What happened? Could anyone with deletion goggles give some insight? Either way, Keep (recreate?) as a harmless redirect from a common phrase to the correct article. (Pinging nom Nayyn) BugGhost 🦗👻 23:01, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

  Comment Page was deleted by asilvering-(Mass deletion of pages added by Kjjj6uhhhhh - more disruptive redirect creation). — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 02:30, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks - I completely forgot non-admins could still see deletion logs. Looks like it was nuked about an hour after this RFD was created. Pinging asilvering BugGhost 🦗👻 06:23, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Bugghost, it took me some work to understand what "self promotional" meant here but I think I get it. The context is that the creator, who from behaviour I assume is a middle schooler, has spent most of their time on Wikipedia creating or requesting dozens of redirects on topics that middle schoolers think are edgy and funny, like various sex acts, names for genitalia, and the n-word. See their extensive user talk page for examples and various attempts by admins to tell them to cut it out. If any of you think any of these redirects are genuinely useful, they can be recreated. My personal opinion on the matter is that no one should do that, because we should not feed the trolls and because these redirects are stupid. No one's needed a redirect from "suck a dick" to "fellatio" in 25 years. We don't need it now either. -- asilvering (talk) 12:40, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks for the clarity on this one. I appreciate why the redirects made by this user got nuked, but seeing as this one (and Suck a cock below) got listed at RFD I think they should have remained at a deletion discussion rather than deleted outside of it. Regardless of who made the redirects, even if it was a vandal who also made unhelpful redirects, if it was listed at RFD it should stick around until we get a consensus. Maybe wp:nuke should be updated to avoid deleting things that are already listed at deletion discussions? Either way, in my view, the "the website has survived without this for x years so we don't need it now" argument is techincally applicable to all new articles/redirects, so without further reasoning it's not enough to justify deletion. It's worth noting that suck dick, sucking dick and dick sucking are already existing non-controversial redirects to fellatio, and suck a dick is not really an outlier. BugGhost 🦗👻 23:25, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per Asilvering. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:53, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep/recreate as per BugGhost. I now understand why these were considered spam specifically, as prior (on 'Suck a cock') I hadn't seen the other redirects (though as a note for user:Nayyn maybe it'd be a good idea to bundle them together and specify "hey, the reason I'm doing this is because these are spam", so we don't spend energy trying to figure out how these are somehow self promotional, next time?)
  That said, I'd like to still point out that this is a common colloquial English term for the act of fellatio ('cock' and 'dick' themselves both being colloquial terms for penis), which means it still fails WP:RDEL's "novel/obscure synonym" test (er, passes??? okay so what it does is evade WP:RDEL). Also, given these are recently created I'm not sure we have data on how much they would be searched, so I don't know if asilvering's "we haven't needed these redirects for 25 years" argument actually holds water? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:06, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  The view logs when I submitted them were less than 5 views over the past 30 days, so I didn't think it readers were finding them useful... Nayyn (talk) 22:10, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment adding in some old RfDs for a similar redirect (Suck my cock) which may be potentially relevant. — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 20:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Absolutely useless, and potentially misleading. As a phrase, this is generally used as some sort of retort, and has very little to do with the actual act. Also DNFT and all that per Asilvering. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:26, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Suck a cock

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 17 § Suck my cock – Keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 6 § Suck my cock – Keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 17 § Suck my cock – delete

• Suck a cock → Fellatio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not useful, and self promotional for the original editor of the redirect. As per WP:RDEL "If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful' and "The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam" for the original editor / creator Nayyn (talk) 22:05, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Sorry DrinksOrCoffee reopening this one as well. Same as the above, Keep as a common synonym for target, and would appreciate clarity as to how this got deleted without explanation while under a live deletion discussion. BugGhost 🦗👻 23:13, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per Asilvering. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:53, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as per BugGhost. "Sucking cock"/"Cock-sucking" is a VERY VERY VERY common colloquial English term for Fellatio, to the point where it's more recognized than the term Fellatio itself. Thus, it fails the "novel/very obscure synonym" check for WP:RDEL. I also fail to see how it would constitute self-promotion (promoting who exactly???) or spam (if it were spam you'd think more than just one redirect would be in this RfD, right?)
  I'd also like to note that the argument given by Asilvering that Pppery is referring to isn't here???? As far as I can see user:Asilvering hasn't commented on this RfD. Given that, I'd like to ask what user:Pppery's argument for deleting this would be? Nevermind. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  The same argument as Asilvering's comment in the previous discussion, which also applies just as much here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:50, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  Right, just saw that other discussion, my apologies. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  Throwing in the prior RfDs for "Suck my cock" that User:VolatileAnomaly added to the Suck a dick RfD above. This redirect is a much closer match to Suck my cock, and I'd also like to point out that by using "a" instead of "my" it avoids the "this is potentially just an insult" that got Suck my cock deleted in January. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Absolutely useless, and potentially misleading. As a phrase, this is generally used as some sort of retort, and has very little to do with the actual act. Also DNFT and all that per Asilvering. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:26, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Booty (sexual slang)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete.

Sucking butt

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete as G3 by ERcheck

A Main Page

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

• Comment for @Jlwoodwa: Can you Creation protect (salt) it? WikiPro10 (talk) 22:24, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Affect of ice age in uk

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EspN

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Cabrera system

• Cabrera system → Hexaxial reference system  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I cannot find any evidence that this term is used for the Hexaxial reference system in English (though in German this is called the "Cabrerakreis"). Instead, it seems to only be used as the name of an alternative display order for EKG leads [45][46]. The article originally claimed that the hexaxial system is "better known as" the Cabrera system, but as this was unsupported by the source cited and I couldn't find any other evidence of that being true, I removed it. [47]

Eventually I would like to create an article at this title on the EKG display format, but as I am currently busy with other stuff, the erroneous redirect not mentioned at the target article is best deleted for now. If someone creates that article during this RfD, then the RfD can of course be closed as moot. Toadspike [Talk] 17:13, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

I've done a bit more reading; it seems the "Cabrera system" can be used to refer to a hexaxial "circle", but it specifically means the circle with aVR reversed (-aVR) and not the "classical" circle with aVR positive. This is closely related to the EKG display format. I'm still not 100% I've got this down correctly, though, so I'll notify WPMED of this discussion to see if anyone can help. Toadspike [Talk] 17:29, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

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Affects of the 2020 Nashville tornado outbreak on Super Tuesday

• Affects of the 2020 Nashville tornado outbreak on Super Tuesday → 2020 Nashville tornado outbreak#Super Tuesday  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible .... I guess not typo, but word? Suspect redirect creator meant to have this at Effects of the 2020 Nashville tornado outbreak on Super Tuesday. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 17:00, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep (as creator) – That was the intention actually. Affect means to have an influence on. I'm also currently working on a similar-topic draft Draft:Influence of severe weather on American politics. So no, that was the intended word and target. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:04, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, that's what it means when being used as a verb, but as a noun it means... more of a pretense or, as per your own link, an "observable emotional response". So it's normal to say that the hurricane affected change in a region, but talking about a hurricane's affect just reads as though the hurricane was using received pronunciation or something. However, talking about a hurricane's effect on a region is pretty normal. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 17:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per WEW. ^EF⁵ 17:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. There are only two other redirects from titles starting with "Affects of" - Affects of weather on sport and Affects of penicillin (both target the respect Effects of... article), both only getting trivial page views (6 and 7 this year, respectively). There are three pages of articles and redirects with titles starting "Effects of" (790 in the 2 May 2025 data dump). Thryduulf (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Also Affect of ice age in uk, created in 2005, That's only had about 340 pageviews since the data started being tracked in Xtools. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 18:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per GLL – Despite the creator's assertion above, this is a grammatical error. A hurricane has effects, not affects. And at such a lengthy title I find the value of an R from typo to be very limited. Toadspike [Talk] 20:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per Toadspike. Jruderman (talk) 22:43, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Ratshack

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Storming

• Storming → Storm  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect, created many years ago without an explanation, isn't actually mentioned as such at the destination page which is about the weather, and it obfuscates the search which shows how this word is more typically used. Joy (talk) 14:04, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep with hatnote. wikt:storm indicates that as a verb, 'storm' can be used either to indicate actual meteorological events (or compare things to it)-- in which case the current target is correct and is probably the primary target-- or, to indicate an assault on a military objective-- in which case redirection to an appropriate military strategy article might be a good idea. With two potential targets, disambiguation is the word-- and with one being the clear primary target, we should use a hatnote to disambiguate, rather than a dedicated disambiguation page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

@Lunamann I filed this after this edit happened.

We can't have disambiguation between a meaning that is documented and a meaning that is not. If we try to follow the breadcrumbs from assault to get to storming, it ends at military tactics, which mentions assault but doesn't mention storming. So a prerequisite to what you're saying is documenting storming in an article like that. I didn't want to propose a solution that would force volunteers to do more work, rather, just use what we already have.

I see no evidence that this form of this verb is primarily used for meteorological events.

With regard to hatnotes, the storm article already has two, so adding a third one for a meaning that doesn't really match the primary topic for the base term would add more visual clutter for all the other readers who did not look up this present participle.

JFTR, if storming was squashed with storm (disambiguation), it would be part of a genuinely huge list, most of which is unrelated to "storming". If we point readers to wikt:storming, it doesn't explain this meaning. wikt:storm does, but on a page where the reader has to scroll down a lot to get to that (six pages (PgDn) on my big desktop screen; on mobile, they have to tap the English heading, and then engage in manual scrolling (no PgDn there) for about seven screen-fulls to get to that meaning :)

--Joy (talk) 09:41, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

I... what. Why exactly was that line deleted??? I'd honestly think restoring that line and finding a place to link it to would be the best route forward?? Idk anymore aaaaa 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:28, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, if someone would find some nice reliable source to explain the use of storming as such in an article, that would provide for a WP:DABMENTION. --Joy (talk) 08:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Cube root of 2

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

TJ Tatran Oravské Veselé

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

New London, Canada

• New London, Canada → London, Ontario  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Incorrect as there’s New London, Prince Edward Island Thepharoah17 (talk) 09:08, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed that it's incorrect. I've lived in southern Ontario my entire life and London Ontario has never been known as "New London". New London appears on the map as a hamlet in PEI, and includes the birthplace of L.M.Montgomery. That having been said, the redirect should probably just be deleted. PKT(alk) 12:45, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Searching Google for the exact phrase produces a mix of collations (e.g. "our new London, Ontario store") and actual uses (e.g. "souvenir from New London Ontario"). It's an incorrect name, but it is unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and PKT. My search results are all for use in running text or some "New London, Ontario" where title case is used. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:58, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per MYCETEAE. The Prince Edward Island community would not be nationally known for the redirect to be useful. There is a New London in Quebec as well. Also I notified the creator of this discussion. Jay 💬 06:01, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage in Baja

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

That's What Makes the Jukebox Play

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 August 1#That's What Makes the Jukebox Play

Tomasulo

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 August 1#Tomasulo

Oozora Subaru

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 August 1#Oozora Subaru

Active weather modification projects

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

List of cloud seeding projects during 2025

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Politics and severe weather during 2020

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Thomas Gilou

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Albuquerque: THE MOVIE

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Lodestone Games

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 August 1#Lodestone Games

Avunculus

• Avunculus → wikt:avunculus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This soft-redirect to Wikitionary should be deleted to restore this to red-link condition. This is not a "DICDEF" subject, like "pleasant" or "obnoxious", or even "avuncular" for that matter; it's an extinct animal taxon, which makes it an encyclopedia subject that either needs an article or a redirect to a section at a higher taxon's article in which this lower taxon is covered in sufficient encyclopedic detail. Having a redirect to a dictionary definition stating it is an extinct taxon under some other, higher-level taxon (plus irrelevant information on avunculus in other languages) is pointless, since the articles from which this is a link generally already provide the same taxonomic-relationship information, and our reader here is looking for more detail not a repeat of the same detail. The editors working on filling in our red-link gaps in extinct taxa are not even going to know to work on this one, since here it appears as a blue-link because of the pointless cross-project redirect.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:40, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: wikt:avunculus doesn't actually stat[e] it is an extinct taxon, or anything at all besides the Latin word for an uncle or great-uncle. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:08, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Blargh. I must've been looking at the wrong page/tab"s mention of the term and forgot which said what. Okay, so the cross-site redir is even more inappropriate to have than I thought it was and will be downright confusing to many readers.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:30, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Nawab Muzaffar Khan Park

• Nawab Muzaffar Khan Park → Muzaffargarh  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target says that "Fayyaz Park Muzaffargarh [...] is the only park in the city", though there is an unannotated mention at List_of_places_in_Muzaffargarh#Parks_and_Gardens. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:10, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

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Criticism of Islam/Sub article: Alleged intolerance of Islam to criticism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete /Alleged intolerance of Islam to criticism, and retarget /Sub article to Alleged intolerance of Islam to criticism

City school kapco capter

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July 24

Revolutions per hour

• Revolutions per hour → Hertz  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I can see the connection but this is a vague phrase that I do not expect anyone to use to end up on the page for hertz (among other things, it is traditionally measured per second, not per hour, and in cycles, not in revolutions). Rusalkii (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Revolutions per minute BugGhost 🦗👻 22:37, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. We might as well make redirects for "per day", "per fortnight", yadda yadda. This isn't mentioned at the target, nor does it need to be, because it's not a unit that's typically used. If anything, Rotational speed would probably be better, but if there's that much "enh" room in picking a target, it's generally better to just delete. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  No one is suggesting making new redirects, so that line of reasoning is irrelevant - see User:Bugghost/essays/Keeping isn't creating. No opposition to retargeting to Rotational speed. BugGhost 🦗👻 07:39, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  By sanctioning the creation of this redirect, you are implicitly granting license for others to create other, similar redirects. This is particularly the case if you don't distinguish what makes this redirect stand out as deserving of existence as opposed to those other potential ones. See WP:PANDORA. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:40, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  PANDORA is actively misleading nonsense (at best) that harmfully contradicts WP:OTHERSTUFF, WP:CRYSTAL and (frequently) WP:IDONTLIKEIT. We judge redirects based on their own merits, not the merits of something that doesn't exist but which might (or might not) be similar, see WP:NOTPANDORA. Thryduulf (talk) 14:50, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  No, your essay is misleading nonsense, and you haven't offered any suggestion that there are any merits to this redirect. That it was absent for decades, in fact, suggests that people were finding what they were looking for just fine without it. Indeed, we now have three separate potential targets, which also suggests that this isn't likely to ultimately help people. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  It's not "my" essay, and it isn't nonsense - unlike PANDORA it reflects core policies, guidelines and conventions. You'll find I did offer comments on this redirect below, but that wasn't the point of this comment (which was simply to point out your argument didn't address this redirect). You have now actually commented on this redirect (thank you), but you don't need to be so aggressive about it. Thryduulf (talk) 16:45, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget per Bugghost. Someone using this search term will find the target unsurprising and useful. Thryduulf (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  Who is plausibly going to be searching for this and why? And people should be surprised if a unit they search for takes them to a page about a different unit with the search term unmentioned. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:01, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  It's a very similar unit, which could easily be confused. For example, in motoring speed is normally measured per hour (mph, km/h), but engine revs are measured per minute (rpm). It's not implausible that someone could mistakenly think it was "revolutions per hour". BugGhost 🦗👻 19:48, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  And if you think that's actually a likely scenario and benefits anyone, I have some swampland in Florida for sale. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:23, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

  35, I don't mind you having a different interpretation about what should or shouldn't be a redirect, but these meaningless snide responses are just kind of annoying. I've explained why I think it's a plausible scenario, and your response is just "no it's not", and employing a cliche to imply that I am stupid. I'm sure you have a real policy-backed reason for why you disagree with me - I would have preferred to read that, rather than this nothing-burger response. BugGhost 🦗👻 00:07, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

  We have no encyclopedic content about the unit "revolutions per hour", and in the exceedingly unlikely scenario that someone wants to look up such an unusual unit, they'll find nothing about it at any of the proposed targets. It's no more or less similar a unit than Angstrom is to light-year. You wouldn't expect either of those to redirect to the other, or to Length in general. Your contorted conjecture about how someone might arrive at this mistakenly really stretches the limits of credulity, and I don't think you should expect anything but a snide retort when you try to pass it off with a straight face. And even if someone did this, it fails a basic WP:XY check -- someone making this mistake should expect "revolutions per minute" no more than they should expect "miles/kilometers per hour". 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:56, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

  1 lightyear is about 10²⁶ angstroms. They have completely different purposes, values and names - this is not a fair comparison. 1 rpm = 60 revolutions per hour, and they have very similiar names and purposes. I genuinely find it astonishing that you think it literally inconceivable that someone could confuse the two. Did you know that there are people who think the phrase is "it's a doggy dog world"? Keep in mind that we are making a learning resource for people who want to gain knowledge, not just a gathering place for people who already have that knowledge. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:38, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak Delete or, if retargeted, Refine to #Examples at Revolutions per minute#Examples. Admittedly I don't really care strongly about this one. I think "hour" is a much more plausible search than fortnight or year, so hopefully people don't get carried away and make those crazy-unlikely versions. It's pretty astonishing to search for a unit of measurement, only to end up at a page that doesn't say anything about that unit of measurement. I concur with IP 35 that encyclopedic content is a must to substantiate a redirect, as a general case. I think "hour" instead of "minute" is a bit more forgivable though, because there are examples on the page that measure in /h instead of /m; that is the only way this is passable, from my perspective.

The super easy solution to these types of situations, is to add a line at wherever this page targets, like they have at Cycles per day. Maybe even a citation (hours and minutes are highly related topics true (moreso than fortnights and years), but not the same). Revolutions per second, Cycles per second, revolutions per day, and cycles per day can all logically target the same page, because content exists that covers those topics and no reader is guessing why they are there. Revolutions per hour is a total guess that leaves readers largely unsatisfied. They might think the redirect targeted the wrong place. Usually a red link indicates that we don't have any content on the encyclopedia for a topic. And it is true that in this case we don't have any content on the encyclopedia for this topic. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete, unless someone provides evidence that this unit is actually used in reliable sources, at least occasionally. The cycles per day example mentioned above is pertinent. This unit is apparently used occasionally, e.g. a quick search brings up this 2017 paper, and it is mentioned in its target article cycles per second. If there are reliable sources using revolutions per hour, they will show us in which context it's used, and based on this we can decide whether the target should be revolutions per minute, Hertz, or some other page, and we can then mention the unit in the target article. But if there are no such sources, we should delete the redirect. We shouldn't create redirects for units that are never actually used. — Chrisahn (talk) 00:37, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Hour > minute > second, so let's not pretend like they are the same. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

My whole existence is flawed

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Te Oreore

• Te Oreore → Masterton  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Te Oreore is rural locality located outside of Masterton, redirecting to the Masterton article (where it is not mentioned, nor should it really be because it isn't part of Masterton) isn't useful for readers. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment, "Te Oreore" is mentioned in Masterton#Marae, and an alternative spelling of "Te Ore Ore" is used earlier in the article as well. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 04:13, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  I've removed that claim as it is unreferenced and does not appear to have any non-circular source to support it. The marae in question is located in Te Oreore and not Masterton, regardless people looking for Te Oreore would be looking for the locality and not the marae. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment every mention of "Te Oreore" on Wikipedia that I can find that clearly relates to something geographical is referring to a marae and Masterton#Marae is very clearly the most useful target we have for that. Homebush, Masterton#Demographics begins "Homebush-Te Ore Ore statistical area" but that's the only use of the term on that page. There are multiple mentions of a place called "Te Ore Ore", all but one of them describing it as "near Masterton" (e.g. Pāora Te Potangaroa) the other using the less precise "Te Ore Ore, Wairarapa". I'm not sure what the best outcome here is, but if it is something other than delete then Te Ore Ore should be created as a redirect to the same target and one should be categorised as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of the other. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

  Those mentions were made in an automated/semi-automated fashion based on a spreadsheet. So I am removing them from the other articles. I have kept and changed the entry at Masterton with a source that supports its inclusion in the article in question and have created Te Ore Ore marae as a redirect. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

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Vatinoxan

• Vatinoxan → Medetomidine/vatinoxan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created after a page move. Not a useful target for someone wishing to learn about vatinoxan. There is no page/list on a2 adrenergic receptor antagonists. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:11, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment. The original page was moved and hour or two after creation, so I can accept that this redirect was essentially created in error. The redirect is linked in TM:Adrenergic receptor modulators incorrectly as an agonist when it is an antagonist. As long as this is a redirect it should probably be removed from the navbox. As a heads up, α2-adrenoreceptor antagonists are found under alpha blockers, though there is no mention of this compound there.

This redirect sees daily use (380 clicks this year) and should be expanded into an article. My cursory searches show there is plenty of material to generate an article as well. ⇌ Synpath 12:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Delete; this is exactly what WP:RETURNTORED is about. ⇌ Synpath 18:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Keep/move/merge, a suitable article has been created—thank you Traumnovelle. ⇌ Synpath 21:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

I have enough material to write a few sentence stub currently. Vatinoxan is pretty novel (in terms of widespread adoption) so the more in-depth sources on it are a bit lacking compared to the other a2 antagonists like atipamezole or yohimbine. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Actually I had more to work with than I thought. I've got a draft at Draft:Vatinoxan that can be moved to the title instead. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:50, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

• Replace with draft per Traumnovelle. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Computer audio

• Computer audio → Digital audio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not sure this redirect is as helpful as the previous list of articles [48]. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:06, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. My gut says this should be an article. Both of the previous dab entries were bad: "Computer music" is about something more specific. "Sound card" is about a piece of hardware that computers use to emit an audio signal, but there's far more to computer audio on the software side. The new target, "Digital audio", is also bad. It's more about the low-level signal aspect of how digital audio is represented and processed, etc. Maybe a case of WP:RETURNTORED? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:53, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak restore. I agree with the nom that the dab page was better than the redirect, it was helpful for readers even though it wasn't a good dab page according to the rigid style rules for such pages - it's exactly the sort of page (plausible search term for multiple topics that aren't actually this) that the still-born navpages concept was intended to be, maybe calling it a set index would prevent future good-faith attempts to fix what isn't broken? I do agree with the IP that not everything was covered but expanding the page to include them (MIDI and speech synthesis maybe should be there too) is I think preferable to deletion. 01:15, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Ice hockey in North America

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Template:2027 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification – CONMEBOL table

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Future North American winters

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Retreat, Hell No!

• Retreat, Hell No! → Lloyd W. Williams  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not what Williams said ("Retreat, hell"). Also, (miscapitalized) quotes generally don't merit redirects, and this isn't the exception. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete, this incorrect quote seems implausible to search on Wikipedia. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:49, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
• However Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets attributes this (incorrect) quote to him per their own website. Jay 💬 07:42, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Wireless portal

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Korean civilization

• Korean civilization → Korea  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not sure where this should point to. Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:42, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Culture of Korea? Clarityfiend (talk) 09:38, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
• [Comment:] for a day in 2006 this was an article with an effective sub-title of "Korea 2333 BC - 663 AD", it was redirected back by Visviva as a fork "to push fringe interpretations". The earlier date matches the start of Gojoseon (the first Kingdom on the Korean peninsula) but haven't immediately been able to find the significance of the later date. Thryduulf (talk) 10:13, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

  663 seems like a possible reference to the Battle of Baekgang, which could arguably mark the end of Baekje and the beginning of Korean unification (although why it would be that rather than a dozen other possible years in the sixth or seventh centuries is perhaps best known to the original contributor). I imagine the author's original vision would have involved additional sections for subsequent time periods. -- Visviva (talk) 17:20, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to History of Korea, which is the topic that matches all the reliable sources I'm seeing when googling the exact term. Thryduulf (talk) 10:13, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

  Comment: Fwiw, the 'reliable sources' seem to be cherry picked or misunderstood. The actual google results are books introducing Korean culture within its historical context, which is different from kings, wars, and treaties. — LlywelynII 07:56, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

• Dab per example of Chinese civilization. Plausible targets include Korea, Korean culture, and History of Korea. It's hard to guess what any particular user might have in mind by linking or searching for this term. -- Visviva (talk) 17:20, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• The Chinese civilization disambig page is a mess, as LlywelynII observed at Talk:Chinese civilization#What a mess: This should be a redirect, so should not be used as an example. Retarget per Thryduulf but refine to History of Korea#Gojoseon which talks about whether Korea had a civilization independent of the Chinese civilization, or was part of it. Jay 💬 07:46, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

  Comment: Aside from being the wrong page generally (see above), the refinement definitely wouldn't meet WP:EGG/WP:PLA, let alone PRIMARYTOPIC. — LlywelynII 08:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

• As with Chinese civilization (link above), the PRIMARYTOPIC here requires a redirect to Culture of Korea. Any other concerns should be dealt with via a hatnote, possibly involving a Korean civilization (disambiguation) landing page if it gets too extensive. No, it shouldn't go directly to Korea, its history, etc. Compare instead Greek civilization redirecting to Culture of Greece. — LlywelynII 07:54, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

André da Silva

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FC Urziceni

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Gogonele

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Discrimination (between things)

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July 23

Coronavirus pandemic deaths

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Deaths from coronavirus

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Astro Premier League 2

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Para Leg

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:43, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Tim Toady Bicarbonate

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:43, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Apocryphal

• Apocryphal → Apocrypha  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Apocryphal is simply an adjective meaning likely untrue. It's a completely different concept from books that were rejected from the Bible Oiyarbepsy (talk) 19:27, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• No opinion on this, but noting that a {{Wiktionary hatnote}} can be used. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Apocrypha (disambiguation). — Chrisahn (talk) 04:07, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Apocrypha (disambiguation) per Chrisahn --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:55, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• retarget per above. drinks or coffee ᶻ 𝗓 𐰁 ₍ᐢ. .ᐢ₎ _{choose only one...} 09:32, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. The first definition of the word at wikt:apocryphal is "(Christianity) Of, or pertaining to, the Apocrypha." I don't understand the reasoning behind the suggestion to retarget this to Apocrypha (disambiguation), because the term doesn't directly apply to the items listed there. - Eureka Lott 18:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  I looked at several of the pages in Special:WhatLinksHere/Apocryphal and found that most of them don't have anything to do with Christianity or the Bible and don't use the word in the biblical sense but in the generic sense explained in the first sentence of Apocrypha (disambiguation). For most of these pages, the redirect to Apocrypha is just wrong. — Chrisahn (talk) 00:58, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Apocrypha (disambiguation) as per Chrisahn and Lenticel. If 'apocryphal' is 'pertaining to apocrypha', then that could be a number of different things, all of which are listed at this disambig. It also has a Wiktionary hatnote to Apocrypha, from where one can easily get to Apocryphal. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:47, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Yes, it could refer to a number of things, but Apocrypha has been determined to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term. Forcing readers to a disambiguation page would be a disservice. - Eureka Lott 20:49, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

    It has been determined to be the primary topic for the noun. Policies like WP:DIFFCAPS/WP:DIFFPUNC or WP:DIFFPLURAL show that it is not clear that the same should be the case for the adjective. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

    I'd honestly say no, in this case it's NOT the same primary topic. Using the second/third definitions listed on Wiktionary (which... admittedly seem to be the same definition repeated twice, to my brain???) is common enough, and discussion of the actual Apocrypha is rare enough, that I'm fairly certain it's caused the primary topic for the adjective to shift. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:50, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Refine to Apochrypha#Esoteric and metaphorical usage. I undertook some section work to make this a suitable target. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:57, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
• Refine/Keep per Godsy as the target now contains a discussion of the adjective form, unlike the dab page which concerns only things called "Apocrypha". Rusalkii (talk) 20:03, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Refine to Apochrypha#Esoteric and metaphorical usage, which contains a description of the term itself and is more useful than the disambiguation page. feminist🩸 (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Titles with potentially unclear "(section)" disambiguator

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Abril Coleções

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Stereotypes of Canadians

• Stereotypes of Canadians → Culture of Canada  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:58, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Please retain to preserve the page history and talk page; there is potential for recreating as an article. – Reidgreg (talk) 06:29, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

If decision is to delete, please ping me so I can move it to my userspace instead. – Reidgreg (talk) 06:34, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Just FYI all topics that the article did cover are in the target article with much better sources. To achieve a more neutral text we folded the info into the narrative overall (apparent if anyone actually reads the original and target article) as per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. If working on draft- target page has the better sources. Moxy🍁 07:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:53, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, eh. Look, I'm sorry about the article history here, but this had all of one or two sentences that actually dealt with stereotypes. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but there's nothing at the current target about this, making this misleading. There might very well be an article to write here, but WP:REDYES until then. I'd say more, but I don't want to miss the opening face off. Sorry, 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Canadian identity, which contains a mention of stereotypes in Canadian identity#Outsider perceptions. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget per Tavix. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:38, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget as above. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 09:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
• Retarget to Canadian identity#Outsider perceptions as the best available target. I agree with IP35 that there is nothing at the current target about stereotypes, and a standalone article is a good idea. It the redirect is not deleted, Reidgreg can use the content from history for a draftspace draft or userspace draft. Jay 💬 10:37, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Jacob Wasserman

• Jacob Wasserman → Jakob Wassermann  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Doesn't fit either Jacob Wassermann or it's target Jakob Wassermann. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 08:31, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Same goes for Jacob Wasserman (rower) which was originally created by accident. - Epluribusunumyall (talk) 09:15, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a highly plausible misspelling, particularly for someone who has heard the name but not seen it written. Thryduulf (talk) 11:06, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as a common transliteration for Jakob Wassermann at the Library of Congress,[49] at commercial outlets like Amazon,[50][51] at various publishers, and in the press.[52][53][54] gidonb (talk) 12:29, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Disambiguate the former, keep the latter (which really should've been bundled in); while this flouts WP:RTYPO due to being TWO typographical errors, gidonb has a point in that this misspelling is in active use in at least one high profile place, and Thryduulf is also correct in that this is a fairly reasonable phonetic spelling. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫--Sorry, er,-- 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:57, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  WP:RTYPO is not relevant as this is not a typo but a misspelling. Thryduulf (talk) 18:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  Fair enough. Disambig/keep stands stronger 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as a plausible {{r from misspelling}}. Jacob Wassermann and Jakob Wassermann have mutual hatnotes, so if there's any confusion, it's mitigated right away. Do not create a disambiguation page based on a misspelling. - Eureka Lott 23:44, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  I mean, I'd consider hatnoting to BE a type of disambiguation, so, I'm happy. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:24, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. As Jakob Wassermann or his literary agent working on his behalf used the name Jacob Wasserman for American publications, misspelling does not cover the name. Jacob Wasserman in this case is a transliteration and synonym for Jakob Wassermann. Jakob Wassermann should be viewed as primary for the author. gidonb (talk) 00:45, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• Agree this is a plausible redirect, but I would retarget to Jacob Wassermann; the number of "n"s at the end of the last name should be independent of the spelling of the first name. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:06, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

  Is Jacob Wasserman also a common transliteration for the sportsperson, or just a typo that might occur one day? gidonb (talk) 11:50, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per gidonb, and replace the misspelling rcat with {{R from transliteration}}. Jacob Wasserman (rower) already has the misspelling rcat, so that is fine. Jay 💬 08:15, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Karaganda Zoo.

• Karaganda Zoo. → Karaganda Zoo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Old typo (period at the end) fixed today Викидим (talk) 06:54, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• This exists as the result of a partially botched page move; might qualify for WP:R3 speedy deletion. Left guide (talk) 07:35, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
  • The redirect has non-trivial history from 2012, 2018 and 2025 (that I'm still trying to get my head around) so R3 and G6 definitely don't apply. Thryduulf (talk) 11:12, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment the history here is confusing and I'm still not certain I've understood it, but I think the page history currently at the title with the full stop should actually be at Karagandy Zoo: The preferred page title seems to have been disputed a few times over the years, but most recently (2 days ago) HtialilwW moved Karagandy Zoo to Karaganda Zoo. and then (I think) cocked up when trying to remove the trailing full stop? Earlier today Left guide then tried to fix that with a round-robin page move and the page history is now a mess. Whatever happens the sequence of page titles should be listed and annotated somewhere (probably Karaganda Zoo) so that nobody else has to spend time figuring this out in the future. Thryduulf (talk) 11:24, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. If need be, the edit history can be moved to another title, such as Karaganda Zoo (Kazakhstan). Steel1943 (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
• The Karagandy Zoo redirect currently has two edits of history from HtialilwW. Delete that one, and move the page with 2012 history (currently located at Karaganda Zoo.) back to that title (which is where it used to be up until 21 July 2025). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:04, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  I agree with this solution. It seems like the simplest way to delete the unhelpful redirect while preserving the meaningful history. Left guide (talk) 20:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  I also think that's the best solution. Thryduulf (talk) 09:23, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

+1 — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 09:29, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Far Eastern American

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:42, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Effrey jepstein

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete per WP:SNOW.

NBA rivalry redirects

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bacium

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Bacteria A2Z

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Inverted C

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 30#Inverted C

DJ-Nate

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

DJVI

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MOS:MILRANK

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AN/CPS-5

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

July 22

2025 Zip Buy Now, Pay Later 250

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Jim Jenkins

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Alt TikTok

• Alt TikTok → TikTok#Alt TikTok  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete unless a suitable target can be found, possibly Alt girl. The article section "Alt TikTok" was deleted from TikTok along with a lot of other content in March 2023. A proposal was made at WP:RMTR to move Alt girl to Alt TikTok but the nominator agreed with my assessment that the scope of Alt girl is much narrower than "Alt TikTok" (permalink). A separate Alt TikTok article may be written at some point. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 23:20, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

•  Note: I've notified the target of this RFD. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:26, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment: Aradicus77 has now cut and paste the contents of Alt girl to Alt TikTok. Pinging @Myceteae. As above _{so below} 23:21, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, did I have to wait to move it? I made a similar post about shitgaze few days ago, and they told me to just move it to the page. Aradicus77 (talk) 00:02, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

In a previous discussion it was also highlighted that I should incorporate the information lost from when it was deleted from TikTok and then mix in information from Alt Girl, which I did. I didn't just paste the alt girl page there. Aradicus77 (talk) 00:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

In general, copy-and-paste moves are to be avoided, as this messes up the attribution history. If a page needs to be moved, you should use the move page feature, or use Wikipedia:requested moves. It seems like this needs more discussion. Natg 19 (talk) 00:39, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Revert alt girl and Alt TikTok to where they were prior at the VERY least. This needs far more discussion before such measures are used. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:56, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

OK, but at the same time what has to be discussed? Alt girl does not have as many sources as Alt TikTok, it shouldn't have been an article. So I made the move, which works far better as "Alt TikTok" played parts in developments like hyperpop. Unless you want both articles to exist on their own? But still redundant since its the same sources. Aradicus77 (talk) 22:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• I support the conversion to an article for Alt TikTok per WP:EDRED and brief prior discussion at RMTR. I didn't realize Aradicus77 would get to work on this so quickly, otherwise I would not have brought this to RFD. It would have been better to preserve the history, for attribution among other reasons, via merger or some other procedure. I do think the question of whether Alt girl should be restored to its prior version is unclear and should have more discussion. Alt girl is now a redirect to Alt TikTok#Alt fashion; the "Alt fashion" section has been renamed "Alt subculture" so the redirect is broken. "Alt girl" is now not mentioned at all in the body of Alt TikTok. At this point I lean towards keep Alt TikTok article and revert Alt girl article to its prior state, although the redirect from Alt girl to Alt TikTok does somewhat help preserve the page history. I'm not sure what the best path forward is. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 14:20, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• More than 90% of Alt Girl was cut and pasted as is into Alt TikTok. Make a dummy edit at Alt TikTok and provide an edit summary of attribution per WP:RIA-COPY. Tag Alt girl as an {{R from merge}}. A line or paragraph about Alt girl may be added to Alt TikTok to avert an RfD for Alt girl. Jay 💬 08:42, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Rodeo bull

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Zagreb shooting

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Detained indefinitely

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Reega

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Cold Kiwi Motorcycle Rally

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 29#Cold Kiwi Motorcycle Rally

Template:Relist

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The Chinese in America (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

WazirX

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:40, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Football teams redirect to association

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False dichotomy'

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Surprise attack

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Panzerschokolade

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History from below

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: procedural close

Help:IPA for Hokkien

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2026 NCAA Division I men's lacrosse tournament

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2025–26 Buffalo Bulls men's basketball team

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Ludobot

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus on whether to delete or restore, which defaults to restore since deletion requires an explicit consensus. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:39, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Maggie Weinroth

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Lionsgate

• Lionsgate → Lions Gate  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 12 § Lionsgate – keep
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 1 § Starz Entertainment – renamed

Point to new Lionsgate DAB page (edited). I have drafted one at User:Myceteae/lionsgate. There are several entities currently or formerly called "Lionsgate". This was the subject of an RM at Lionsgate Studios (May 20), an RFD by User:Intrisit closed as 'keep' with no prejudice to revisiting owing to some confusion in the discussion (June 12), and a subsequent RM at Lionsgate Films (July 3). --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 18:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• Why is this necessary when there is already an existing disambiguation page at Lions Gate that covers all these entries? All of these are covered at Lions_Gate#Entertainment. Natg 19 (talk) 18:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  The history of repeated page moves, RMs, and other discussions on the various Talk pages shows editors have differing opinions about which entity should be crowned "Lionsgate". Lionsgate has more pageviews than any of the related article pages and many more than Lions Gate—by a factor of >200:1! Looking at more recent daily pageviews and including redirects, we get a different order but Lionsgate is still more highly viewed than Lions Gate. The WikiNav for Lions Gate confirms very little overall traffic and shows that Lionsgate Studios, Lionsgate Films, and Starz Entertainment are among the top 5 destinations. Maybe there is too little traffic, and too few entries at Lions Gate, to show a true problem. Retarget to Lions_Gate#Entertainment might also save readers a little time. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:00, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  Natg 19, Onel5969 and Rodw, two of the most prominent WP:DPL "addressers" apart from you, retargeted the "Lionsgate" link to Lionsgate Studios in the Barbie (media franchise) page over the past fortnight, when in reality, it was supposed to rather be targeted at the pre-2024 Lionsgate (now Starz Entertainment). That's where my grudge is. Also, what, 5 entries for the "Lionsgate" title in the larger "Lions Gate" DAB page? Seriously, the "Lionsgate" title needs its own DAB page. Intrisit (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget to Lionsgate Studios Lionsgate Films. The media company film studio is the primary topic of the term "Lionsgate" (without a space between "Lions" and "gate") given that every other entity by the name of "Lionsgate" is either a subsidy or former parent of that company, and navigation to articles for those is adequately dealt with at Lions Gate. I do not see the utility in a separate disambiguation page, but even if one is considered necessary, it would be best placed at Lionsgate (disambiguation). silviaASH (inquire within) 18:50, 10 July 2025 (UTC) Note: Revised my vote per comments below. silviaASH (inquire within) 21:00, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  Pageviews (see above) shows Lionsgate Films consistently gets more traffic than Lionsgate Studios. Depending on the parameters, the order and magnitude of the difference changes. The original "Lionsgate" has been rebranded Starz Entertainment and that article contains most of the corporate history of what had been "Lionsgate" until recently. While I see the intuitive logic of making the (current) parent company a primary redirect, it's clearly not the primary topic by usage nor long-term significance. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:33, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  If that is the case, then retarget it to Lionsgate Films instead. Either way, the film studio is clearly the primary topic of Lionsgate, and we don't need a separate disambiguation page for it. Redirecting to Lions Gate#Entertainment would also be acceptable. silviaASH (inquire within) 20:57, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  They really should stop renaming all of their different groups to make it easier for us. One argument in favor of retargeting to Lionsgate Studios is that it almost functions as a disambigation page for all of everything in Lions_Gate#Entertainment while having more immediate information available. So almost in spirit a Wikipedia:Broad-concept article. But my retarget below is pretty weak. Skynxnex (talk) 20:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  SilviaASH, between 1997 when Lionsgate was founded and acquired Cinépix Film Properties to 1998 when Lionsgate rebranded them as Lionsgate Films, the pageviews and traffic have beeen parallel and similar. Since the Lionsgate Studios formation just over a year ago, the traffic and pageview stats kept doubling and tripling by the week; it's no wonder you'll be stating this. But it's also where I'll wholeheartedly disagree with you! Should it retarget to Lionsgate Films as you wish, it'll be absurd and make nonsense of the fact that that Lionsgate acquired Artisan Home Entertainment and Family Home Entertainment between 2003 and 2005, who were the distributors of the first 4 Barbie films (which I've patrolled and curated since my account creation). Otherwise and other than that, I would've supported and agreed with you. Intrisit (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  Even the recent pageviews don't support a WP:PT1 designation (much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term) for Lionsgate Films. It has 2x the views of Lionsgate Studios and about 38% of total views for the group. Intrisit provides yet more reason why the long-term significance (PT2) case doesn't hold. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:24, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  I mean, my ultimate position is retarget it to whichever related entity by the name of Lionsgate is the primary topic. I don't really care which that is. It can be Lionsgate Films or Studios or the entertainment section of the Lions Gate dab or whatever. My main argument is that a separate disambiguation page at Lionsgate is not necessary. silviaASH (inquire within) 22:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  Lions Gate#Entertainment is preferable to the current target, and keeping the current target is preferable to a primary redirect. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Note: Added additional old RfD for Starz Entertainment; this was renamed (moved) from Starz Entertainment Corp. per February RfD. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:30, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
• By "[r]etarget to Lionsgate DAB page" do you mean replace this redirect with your proposed new DAB? I don't think there's sufficient number of Lionsgates to justify a separate DAB. And I'm leaning towarad retarget to Lionsgate Studios per SilviaASH. Skynxnex (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC) I'd be fine with Lionsgate Films, if consensus is there, although the studio page is new enough it's hard to tell for sure how it's all going to settle down to. Skynxnex (talk) 21:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  By "[r]etarget to Lionsgate DAB page" do you mean replace this redirect with your proposed new DAB? Yes, that was my suggestion, and one that has been raised elsewhere. See response above to silviaASH re: Lionsgate Studios. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  May be nitpicky (may be? it definitely is) but that isn't a retarget and made me have to re-read that a few times. Skynxnex (talk) 20:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  I appreciate the feedback. I have made a few edits in hopes of clarifying. Let me know if you think the listing can be improved. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  True, but that's also the case for Star TV and Star Channel with regards to Disney's own Star Channel used widely since 2023. The traffic and pageview stats of these titles are mirrored here. Intrisit (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Honestly, my opinion: as far as entertainment properties related to Lionsgate, have them listed at a separate DAB for "Lionsgate" (no spaces), as that, not "Lions Gate" (with spaces), appears to be the public branding used for the Lionsgate entertainment properties. ClarkKentWannabe (talk) 22:42, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
• Procedural close. There's no need to go through an RfD to turn a redirect into a dab page. Nardog (talk) 08:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Well, tell that to 204.111.137.20, who reverted similar edits like this with the statement to list such titles here. At least that happened to the Universal Studios title (see its history) To repeat my reply to Natg 19, he/she, Onel5969 and Rodw, the most prominent WP:DPL "addressers" apart from you, retargeted the "Lionsgate" link to Lionsgate Studios in the Barbie (media franchise) page and other pages over the past year, when in reality, it was supposed to rather be targeted at the pre-2024 Lionsgate (now Starz Entertainment). That's where my grudge is. Also, what, 5 entries for the "Lionsgate" title in the larger "Lions Gate" DAB page? Seriously, the "Lionsgate" title needs its own DAB page. Intrisit (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

If we did this wrongly, you can let us know. But you don't need to double post this and make a big fuss over it. To be honest, fixing this dab has been a big mess, as it is difficult to decide whether to point to the successor company (Lionsgate Studios), the film studio (Lionsgate Films), or the "historical" brand that spun off Lionsgate (Starz Entertainment); and everyone is just doing their best at deciding the correct link to use. Natg 19 (talk) 23:03, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support, although Myceteae, this is way too soon after my errant nomination just over a month ago. Like I stated already, I was waiting at least 3 months later (around November) to make a new proper RfD nomination before this one. Intrisit (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  With two RMs and an RFD (closed as no prejudice to re-stating the request) in as less than 2 months, the topic is ripe for a more definitive consensus. That is also why I agree with you, and disagree with Nardog, that discussion is required for what would obviously have been a controversial change. The inherent ambiguity of "Lionsgate" and the number of articles involved obscure the history and I fear we will have endless "Lionsgate" RMs at a half-dozen different pages until this points somewhere more definitive than Lions Gate. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

How is your draft dab page better than just pointing at Lions Gate? It is still just a disambiguation page. I would agree with SilviaASH and Skynxnex to point to one of the articles (Lionsgate Films or Lionsgate Studios), but it seems like there is no clear target that is the PT. Natg 19 (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Lionsgate is a specific search term that's narrower than Lions Gate but does not have a single, unique referent. The various Lionsgates are quite popular and are collectively the most common destinations from the current Lions Gate DAB as shown by Pageviews,[55][56] WikiNav,[57] and Massiews.[58] Lionsgate doesn't have a primary topic, as demonstrated by the big mess of multiple move and redirect discussions. If it did have a PT, Lionsgate would be a good candidate for an article title per WP:SMALLDIFFERENCES. Giving it a unique DAB page (or WP:Set index article, even) might answer the recurring question "Why don't we have a page called Lionsgate?" and stop the RMs for a while or at least centralize the discussion and history moving forward, and also save readers a little time. Thus, I see it as a service to both readers and editors. Ultimately, while I think a unique DAB has merit, I'm more invested in trying to settle this and consolidate the discussion than I am in this particular outcome. A firm decision to retain the status quo or point to Lions Gate#Entertainment instead (for now) is fine. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 04:04, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose – As I wrote at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 12 § Lionsgate, a separate disambiguation page is not necessary per WP:DABCOMBINE, as "Lionsgate" is merely a spelling variant of "Lion's Gate", so the status quo covers it. There is currently no consensus whether Lionsgate Studios or Lionsgate Films is the primary topic, so retargeting is not appropriate absent a new RM. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

  Well, no wonder you're citing my errant nomination; after all your "Lionsgate Studios" RM "failure". I'll refer you to your section on my talk page and see if that doesn't match your opposition stance. Intrisit (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Keep as {{R from modification}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:56, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• The current target dab page is too broad for the spaceless Lionsgate, so keep only if it is refined to #Entertainment per nom, Natg and silvia. Nom's drafted dab is similar, and the only benefit I see in converting the redirect to the dab, is to avoid the unrelated clutter in the Lions Gate dab. Jay 💬 13:14, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

  I agree, but to state that it'll be too broad for the spaceless Lionsgate title, how broad? The casing point for the Star TV and Star Channel DAB pages, however many times I re-hash this for this RfD nomination, is no fluke or should never to be seen as bludgeoning. As Myceteae (the nom) stated, had "Lionsgate" not been rebranded as "Starz Entertainment", the RMs and RfDs for this titles would/will be little to non-existent. You can disregard the rest of this comment if you can; the "Liongate Capital Management" article title in the "Lions Gate" DAB page already has the "Liongate" title redirect to it with little to no controversy since its creation on 2 November 2008. Not to mention the Lion's Gate (disambiguation) page that was unnecessarily created for a perceived DAB page that hasn't materialized till date and was thus deleted and the to-date un-created "Liongate (disambiguation)" and "Lion's Gate (disambiguation)" titles. Intrisit (talk) 15:39, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 14:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep as is, I think. Not totally opposed to refining to include #Entertainment, but there is a slight problem with this. Additional entries that omit the space are found outside the Entertainment section. Namely Lionsgate Newark Studios under Lions Gate#Places and Liongate Capital Management and Lionsgate Academy under Lions Gate#Other uses. These sections are both underneath #Entertainment, so in theory, you could still locate them with relative ease, but including a section as the target would imply one could find everything in that section. I suppose a separate "Lionsgate" dab might resolve this, but it just seems unnecessary. -2pou (talk) 00:35, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  True, but that's also the case for Star TV and Star Channel (I spun out the entries of the former bearing the latter's name with that of the latter); which Jay aptly put it as the only benefit being to to avoid the unrelated clutter in the Lions Gate dab. Look at it this way; should the "Lionsgate" title end up being DABbed or configured/refactored as an SIA, the "Lionsgate Academy" and "Lionsgate Newark Studios" article titles could be incubated in it, regardless of whether they are related or unrelated to the entertainment-related "Lionsgate" titles should they be listed there alongside it. The Liongate Capital Management article you cited even has the "Liongate" title redirect to it since 2 November 2008 with little to no controversy up until now and can be or has already been incubated in the "Lions Gate" DAB page. My initial errant RfD nomination was premised on this rationale and aiming for either DABbing or setindexifying the Lionsgate title, because InfiniteNexus's RM and Diana0134's RM to get "Lionsgate Studios" and "Lionsgate Films" titles respectively to take that title really deserves an RfD outcome, whether this one or the next. Of course I can understand the sentiments here here to just refactor this title to "Lions Gate#Entertainment" and this isn't the first and most definitely won't be the last title to go through such a conundrum, but with the aforementioned similar instance of "Star TV" and "Star Channel", it's to eliminate confusion and as Jay cited again unrelated clutter. To re-iterate one of Myceteae's comments, I fear we will have endless "Lionsgate" RMs [and RfDs] at a half-dozen different pages until this points somewhere more definitive than "Lions Gate". I feel for this as well!! Intrisit (talk) 15:25, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Igbo myhtology

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Pope Leo XVI

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may from the pokeymans

• May (pokemon) → List of Pokémon anime characters#May  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• May (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon anime characters#Protagonists  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• May (pokémon) → List of Pokémon anime characters#May  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Haruka (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon anime characters#May  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• May (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon rivals#Brendan and May  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

since the list of pokémon anime characters' afd discussion was closed as redirect, something should probably be done regarding those redirects. may is one of the main characters and ash's resident female companion in the seasons of the anime that take place in hoenn (advanced, advanced challenge, advanced battle, battle frontier), where she's mentioned... but she's only actually there because she's the objectively better playable character in the hoenn games (ruby and sapphire, and then their sister game and remakes), so what should be done? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 16:24, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

incidentally, three notes:

• the second redirect has history, but as is customary for those pokémon character redirects, it was just fancruft. not worth worrying about
• i'll boldly use the results of this rfd for the other female protags shamelessly reused in the anime who don't have their own articles (dawn, uh... oh wow, it's just dawn)
• i want smelly socks mailed to whoever came up with the hoenn seasons' english titles for the sheer amount of people who ended up believing that "gba" stands for "game boy advanced"

consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 16:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire#Story, where May is briefly discussed. It's still a valid enough search term I feel that pointing it somewhere would be useful, and a hard dig may provide notability.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:20, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

  Wouldn’t Pokémon (TV series)#Characters be a better target? (And maybe create a WP:ANCHOR). Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:15, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

  That's the rub, as the two characters described in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire#Story and the third character described at Pokémon (TV series)#Characters are all very different characters; May in the video games could refer to EITHER the silent-protagonist daughter of Gym Leader Norman OR the daughter of Professor Birch who is your rival through the game (with the role she's NOT taking instead taken by Brendan, the male option for both); meanwhile, May in the anime is the deuteragonist of Pokémon the Series: Ruby and Sapphire (taking a backseat to Ash), is NOT silent in any way, and is specifically the daughter of Norman.

  Yes, they're all May. They have roughly the same design, with Anime!May having basically the same appearance as GBA-era Protagonist!May and Rival!May, who in turn, share the exact same sprites. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:35, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retarget as per Kung Fu Man. Unlike with the Team Galaxy redirect from earlier, this does have immediate and substantial enough information on the topic in question that I'm satisfied with this being the new home for this redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

  Disambiguate as per Arnav, see my comment above replying to Thepharoah17 for details as to why. Perhaps a hatnote at Pokemon (TV series)#Characters would be a good place to do so? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Disambiguate, there exists the game protagonist, covered at Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire#Plot, the game rival, covered at List of Pokémon rivals#Brendan and May, and the anime character at Pokémon (TV series)#Characters, perhaps creating an anchor. The same for Dawn. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 13:45, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
• Dab per Arnav Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:35, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
• Also bundle May (Pokemon) which redirects to List of Pokémon rivals § Brendan and May. Jay 💬 07:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  done consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 20:11, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

•  Note: I've drafted a dab at May (Pokémon). Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:07, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

  We do not normally create disambiguation pages with parentheses in their title; instead the relevant uses should be at May (disambiguation). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:18, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

  Noting that the guideline for this is WP:INCOMPDAB. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:03, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: What about Haruka (Pokémon)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

"haruka" is just her japanese name, so there's no need to worry over it consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 14:34, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Yup, Haruka refers to the same character(s) that May (Pokémon) et al are referring to-- brunette girl wearing a red shirt, white miniskirt, and red bandanna who's either the daughter of Gym Leader Norman or Professor Birch. Thus, it suffers from the same WP:XY issues that all the rest suffer from, and needs disambiguation at the same place we're putting the rest. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:20, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Thinking aloud here, it seems like consensus is heading towards disambiguating it (which per WP:INCOMPDAB would kick it over to May (disambiguation) which in turn would send it to May (given name)#Fictional characters because the name has been split off). Haruka (Pokémon) makes sense targeting eg Pokémon (TV series)#Characters where the Japanese name is included. But does it make sense in a disambiguation-type entry? If so, should her Japanese name be included? -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:58, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

I'd say yes; anyone looking for information on the character Haruka should be taken to May (given name)#Fictional characters. As for including the name Haruka there, it should be fairly simple to write it in a way that smoothly includes the Japanese name, yes. Working off of the disambig Thepharoah17 drafted (but admittedly putting it in my own words), here's an example:
--
May (Haruka in Japanese); the given name of:

• The default name for the female protagonist option in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, Pokémon Emerald, and Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire
• The female rival option in the same games
• The deuteragonist of Pokémon the Series: Ruby and Sapphire

-- 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:33, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Add entries to May (disambiguation) whatever page disambiguates the given name "May" (per Pppery and Tavix), and retarget all except Haruka (Pokémon) there. Not sure what to do about Haruka (Pokémon) since it makes no sense to retarget it to May (disambiguation) and since Haruka is lacking information about any "Pokémon" topics. Steel1943 (talk) 22:29, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

  Stance updated in italics. Steel1943 (talk) 21:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

• I have copied over Thepharoah17's drafted dab to a new section May (given name) § Pokémon characters per Tavix and Lunamann. Haruka was already mentioned at Haruka (given name) § Fictional characters. I unlinked it there and pointed the bluelink to the new May given name section. The May entries can retarget to the new section, and Haruka can retarget the Haruka given name fictional characters section. Jay 💬 09:02, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Deadly Queen

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