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Ozzy Osbourne Armed clashes erupt in the Cambodia–Thailand border conflict. Ozzy Osbourne (pictured), the lead singer of Black Sabbath, dies at the age of 76. A fighter jet crashes into a college in Dhaka, Bangladesh, killing more than 30 people. In golf, Scottie Scheffler wins the Open Championship. A tourist boat capsizes during a thunderstorm in Hạ Long Bay, Vietnam, leaving at least 36 people dead. Ongoing: Gaza war Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Arnold Palacios Chuck Mangione Hulk Hogan Thomas Anthony Durkin Giora Epstein Béatrice Uria-Monzon view — page history — related changes — edit

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July 27

Portal:Current events/2025 July 27
July 27, 2025 (2025-07-27) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Gaza Strip famine The Israeli Air Force begins humanitarian aid drops over the Gaza Strip amid growing international pressure to allow food into the Palestinian enclave. (BBC News)

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July 26

Portal:Current events/2025 July 26

July 26, 2025 (2025-07-26) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2025 Cambodia–Thailand border conflict 2025 Cambodia–Thailand clashes Cambodia's ambassador to the United Nations, Chhea Keo, calls for an immediate and unconditional ceasefire with Thailand. (BBC News) Twelve more deaths are reported in Cambodia while a Royal Thai Army soldier is shot dead on the border as both countries exchange artillery fire. (AP) Around 38,000 civilians in Cambodia and almost 140,000 in Thailand flee their homes as fighting intensifies. (Al Jazeera) Cambodia closes its airspace over the regions in the country where the conflict is being fought. (Phnom Penh Post) Royal Cambodian Army major general Duong Somneang is killed in an artillery strike on the frontline. (Nation Thailand) The Royal Thai Navy engages Cambodian forces in the Gulf of Thailand after they launched attacks on Trat province, Thailand. (Thai PBS World) Russian invasion of Ukraine Dnipro strikes Russian forces launch an overnight drone and cruise missile attack on Dnipro, Ukraine, killing at least three people and damaging multiple residential buildings. (Reuters) Insurgency in Balochistan At least nine people are killed, including three attackers and a child, and 22 others are injured, including several critically, in a terrorist mass shooting and grenade attack at a courthouse in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran. The Jaysh al-Adl militant group claims responsibility for the attack. (Kurdistan 24) (RFERL) (DW) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Gaza Strip famine The United Nations World Food Programme says 90,000 children and women are in need of urgent treatment in Gaza. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents At least 18 people are killed and 48 others are injured when a bus overturns on a highway in the Andes mountains in Junín Department, Peru. (CP24) Six people are killed and another is injured in a traffic accident on the Interstate 485 in Charlotte, North Carolina, United States. (ABC News) Law and crime At least eleven people are injured, several critically, in a mass stabbing attack at a Walmart in Traverse City, Michigan, United States. A suspect is in custody. (BNO News) (WPBN)

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Taiwan Grand Recall 1st wave of voting

Article: 2025 Taiwanese mass electoral recall campaigns (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Taiwan Grand Recall for 24 legislators and Ann Kao failed. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Sinsyuan (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Vital political news in Taiwan for the following political situation; posted on zhwiki. Sinsyuan✍️🌏🚀 00:57, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

• Regardless of any other ITN assessment, the given target article and 2025 Taiwanese recall votes should not be separate articles; they are the same subject. Masem (t) 01:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

  You're right. It should be discussed. Sinsyuan✍️🌏🚀 01:33, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Recalls are usually local elections (and I would have said that), but these seems to be for seats in the Legislative Yuan, aside from aforementioned local elections. You can argue this is some sort of the largest special elections (by-elections) in a country in a single day. This is not ITNR, but I'd say unprecedented and may not had happened elsewhere before. I would have also said that if the recalls succeeded it would have been more notable, but all failed. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:48, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose, I've gone through the article and done some work but the results are not cited so I added an orange tag. But quality beside the recalls weren't successful and nothing major happened. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 02:01, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Willie Irvine

Article: Willie Irvine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.uptheclarets.com/our-greatest-goalscorer-willie-irvine-dies
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Northern Irish footballer. Article is a GA. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:58, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support - good quality article Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:57, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: George Veikoso

Article: George Veikoso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Musician, died in Suva. All claims appear to be cited in the article Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:56, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Daddy Lumba

Article: Daddy Lumba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MyJoyOnline
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: African and Ghanaian music legend passes on. Blurb worthy due to his contribution to highlife music Heatrave (talk) 13:51, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is in bad condition. Grimes2 14:39, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Strong oppose any blurb - article is in terrible shape and he doesn’t seem remotely important enough for a blurb. ^EF⁵ 20:04, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose on quality, oppose blurb. Article is a stub with many maintenance tags, nowhere near good enough to post. As for blurbworthiness, I'm not seeing it in the article's sources. Looking online, most reports of his death are from Ghanaian news sources or WP:NEWSORGINDIA (although there is a BBC News Pidgin article). -insert valid name here- (talk) 03:30, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

July 25

Portal:Current events/2025 July 25

July 25, 2025 (2025-07-25) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2025 Cambodia–Thailand border conflict 2025 Cambodia–Thailand clashes The Royal Thai Armed Forces's Border Defense Command declares martial law in eight districts of the provinces of Chanthaburi and Trat on their border with Cambodia, citing "Cambodia's use of force to enter Thai territory". (NDTV) The Royal Thai Air Force launches airstrikes on targets inside Cambodia, including areas near the Preah Vihear Temple and Prasat Ta Muen Thom. (Nation Thailand) (The Star) Russian invasion of Ukraine Pokrovsk offensive, Kupiansk offensive Russian forces enter the city of Pokrovsk for the first time since the invasion began, and enter the city of Kupiansk for the first time since 2024. (ISW) Somali Civil War 2025 Shabelle offensive Al-Shabaab targets two military bases operated by AUSSOM and the Somali Armed Forces near the Somali capital Mogadishu using a bomb-laden attack. (Garowe Online) Jubaland crisis Following the capture of Beled Hawo by Jubaland forces, Somali federal troops are deployed to reinforce federal government presence in Gedo. (Garowe Online) War against the Islamic State Islamic State insurgency in Puntland In a joint military operation, Puntland Counter-Terrorism forces and US SOF capture the financial and foreign recruitment chief of ISIS-Somalia, Abdiweli Mohamed Aw Yusuf "Abdiweli Walalac," and two others. The operation took place in the Laag area of rural Xumbeys in the Bari region of Puntland. (Garowe Online) US intervention in the Syrian civil war U.S. Central Command kills senior Islamic State leader Diaa Zoubaa Musleh Al-Hardani along with his two sons in a strike on Al-Bab, Aleppo Governorate, Syria. (Al Arabiya English) Kivu conflict M23 campaign Wazalendo fighters launch an offensive to take the town of Luke, Masisi Territory, Democratic Republic of the Congo, which the March 23 Movement had taken the previous day. (Radio Okapi) The Alliance of Patriots for a Free and Sovereign Congo of the Wazalendo resist an attack on their positions by the M23 in the area of Showa, Masisi Territory. Residents of Luke, Showa, and Bukombo flee to escape the fighting. (Radio Okapi) Ituri conflict Two Mai-Mai militias continue to fight over the control of agricultural roads in Babila-Babombi chiefdom, Mambasa Territory, DRC. Residents of several villages flee to escape the fighting. (Radio Okapi) Disasters and accidents Piplodi school roof collapse A school collapse caused by continuous rainfall in Piplodi, Jhalawar District, India, kills at least seven students, seriously injures 28 others, including eight critically, and traps over 32 under debris. (The Indian Express) Mediterranean Sea migrant smuggling A boat carrying Egyptian migrants and Sudanese crewmen en route to Europe capsizes off the coast of Tobruk, Cyrenaica, Libya, killing at least 15 people, injuring 10 others and leaving some missing. (AP) A gas explosion at a ten-story apartment building in Saratov, Saratov Oblast, Russia kills at least six people, including a child, injures seven others and destroys or damages over 30 apartments. (Anadolu Agency) (Novaya Gazeta) International relations India–Maldives relations Indian prime minister Narendra Modi announces India will lend a US$565 million credit line to the Maldives, gift their armed forces several heavy fighting vehicles, and launch formal talks for a free-trade agreement. (AP) Palau–United States relations The traditional chiefs of Palau and the National Congress reject a proposal by the United States to host asylum seekers and strongly advise President Surangel Whipps Jr. to also reject it. (Island Times) Law and crime The trial of former Congolese president and senator for life Joseph Kabila for his crimes in connection with the M23 Movement and the Congo River Alliance begins. The armed forces auditor general charges Kabila with treason, participation in an insurrectional movement, crimes against the peace and security of humanity, intentional homicide, rape, torture, deportation, and condoning crimes. (Radio Okapi) The government of Hong Kong places a HK$200,000 (US$25,500) bounty on 19 members of the overseas pro-democracy organization Hong Kong Parliament. (DW) Politics and elections Impeachment of Sara Duterte The Supreme Court of the Philippines rules that the impeachment complaint against Vice President Sara Duterte, filed by the lower house of Congress in February, is unconstitutional. (Reuters) Science and technology Online Safety Act 2023 Thousands of pornography websites begin implementing age verification to block content for British viewers under the age of 18, according to Ofcom. (BBC News)

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(Closed) Santa feels the heat

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Santa's workshop (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Santa's workshop in Rovaniemi is adapting to a heatwave of record duration (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Count Iblis (talk) 11:34, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose on notability but perhaps a blurb about the heatwave itself would be notable enough? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:42, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose both current blurb and heatwave - Not nearly significant enough to be posted as a weather event. ^EF⁵ 12:19, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Snow close Count Iblis never fails. This is irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose No major/lasting impact to blurb. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 11:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Tradedia^talk 11:45, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose I also had to adapt to a heatwave a few weeks ago. Joking aside: this is a trivia type of news item. Either there is an unprecedented heat wave over Finland - then nominate that - or this is a local news item, which shouldn't be considered. Khuft (talk) 12:13, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Snow close (ho ho ho!). Joke nomination from a user who has done this before. It's currently hot all over Europe, if there's an overarching page to post. The "update" to the page looks WP:NOTNEWS and is written in-universe; it could quite easily say "an employer warned his employees about weather conditions". Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:19, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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RD: P. Dayaratna

Article: P. Dayaratna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Mirror - Sri Lanka, Adaderana
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: he was public figure and article was fine to me QalasQalas (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready Too few citations. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 11:34, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Not ready only three citations, one of which is just the announcement of his death and another that isn't even formatted properly. –DMartin 19:17, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Cleo Laine

Article: Cleo Laine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mark Gould (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English jazz singer and actress, renowned for her scat vocal technique and international career spanning seven decades. Grammy winner, Tony nominee, and DBE recipient. ItsShandog (talk)

• Almost there Prose is in good shape but discography and awards neeed citations. –DMartin 14:56, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Citations now in place for awards (and some errors corrected). One award needs a citation, but there is nothing easily available that doesn't link back to this article Mark Gould (talk) 16:24, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:15, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Ready My objections have been rectified. Looking good. –DMartin 18:32, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support The subject had a long and successful career, and was internationally renowned. Mark Gould (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

July 24

Portal:Current events/2025 July 24

July 24, 2025 (2025-07-24) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2025 Cambodia–Thailand clashes Cambodian and Thai troops exchange fire near the Prasat Ta Muen Thom site near the border. Fourteen people are killed and 46 more are injured in Thailand. (BBC News) (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents Angara Airlines Flight 2311 An Angara Airlines Antonov An-24 operating as Angara Airlines Flight 2311 en route to Tynda crashes into a forested area in Amur Oblast, Russia, killing all 48 occupants, including five children. (The Guardian) (Reuters) At least twelve people are killed, several others are missing, and 157 are injured in an explosion at an ammunition depot in Maarrat Misrin, Idlib Governorate, Syria. (Xinhua News Agency) (AP) International Relations International recognition of Palestine French president Emmanuel Macron announces that France will recognize Palestine as a state starting September, citing reasons such as an immediate end to the war and helping the humanitarian crisis. (France 24) (AP) Law and crime Central African Republic Civil War The International Criminal Court convicts Patrice-Edouard Ngaïssona and Alfred Yekatom, leaders of the Anti-balaka militia alliance, of multiple counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity and sentences them to 12 and 15 years in prison respectively for their roles in various massacres against civilians throughout the civil war in the Central African Republic. (AP) Hungary–Israel relations, Hungary–United Kingdom relations Hungary bans Irish rap trio Kneecap for three years ahead of a music festival, citing a national security threat over their alleged support for Hamas and Hezbollah. (The Times of Israel)

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(Blurb ready) (Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Hulk Hogan

Article: Hulk Hogan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American professional wrestler Hulk Hogan (pictured) dies at the age of 71. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Very famous/known wrestler. Made a blurb but can see this going RD. Andise1 (talk) 16:00, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb - We've had three death blurbs in the past week, at some point the plug needs to be pulled. ^EF⁵ 16:01, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Disagree, other deaths that happened independently should not affect the consideration of this one for blurb. Hogan certainly reached the top of his field of professional wrestling. Consider the sources: USA Today: Hogan was influential in the rise of wrestling worldwide and was WWE's first major star. / Hollywood Reporter: brought pro wrestling into the mainstream in the 1980s while becoming one of the most recognizable celebrities of his generation / Sky News: perhaps the most iconic star in WWE's five-decade history ... His charisma and theatrics in the ring are credited with helping to transform professional wrestling into a family entertainment sport ... able to transcend his "Hulkamania" fan base to become a celebrity outside the wrestling world / AL.com: widely regarded as the most recognized wrestling star worldwide, the most popular wrestler of the 1980s and one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time. starship.paint (talk / cont) 16:18, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

    My vote is less on sources and more about ITN itself. If all we do is post a ton of death blurbs, where is the room for legitimate news? Maybe we need to have a discussion about this. I also oppose on quality per several uncited statements. ^EF⁵ 16:28, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

    Your comment implies that deaths are not legitimate news. I disagree. We have a history of posting death blurbs, clearly the implicit consensus is that these deaths are legitimate news. starship.paint (talk / cont)

    Yes, that is exactly what I’m implying, and I honestly couldn’t care less whether other users agree with me or not, as my vote isn’t changing regardless of how much we argue. Death blurbs are posted way too frequently and even after their validity is questioned (Connie Francis, for example), and that’s something I believe to be true. ^EF⁵

  • If it is a matter of too many death blurbs, then replace Ozzy Osbourne with Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan's death is far, far more important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1014:b138:71d4:b1c8:a66:fcf1:19a (talk) 21:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD/blurb - It is very much underselling to just say a "very famous/known wrestler". I could count on one hand the list of living professional wrestlers who could fit the bill of worthy of a blurb when they die, and Hogan is at the top of the list. I also feel it is a bit disingenuous to say we're not going to put a blurb because there has been too many death blurbs lately. That isn't a criteria, their notability is and his notability is unquestioned. — Moe Epsilon 16:04, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Beat me to it. Famous enough to have his own blurb IMO. TwistedAxe [contact] 16:07, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb on notability Like with Ozzy, the sourcing needs a bit of work before posting, but he definitely deserves a blurb once that is fixed. I'd consider him more blurb-worthy than Connie Francis was, but regardless, other events don't affect how important he was. He's probably the second-most famous pro wrestler of all time, after The Rock. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:13, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb: as much as Hogan was a serial liar who puffed up his importance more than was physically possible, he was still to wrestling what Ozzy was to music. There's very few wrestlers alive who were as influential to the business to the point of being a household name as he was, maybe the Rock and John Cena, and that's about it. Sceptre (talk) 16:15, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb. Very obviously notable, RIP. I agree that sourcing probably needs work though. Gommeh 🎮 16:15, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Despite my misgivings about him as a person, Hogan was a genuine icon of the 80s/90s and arguably the most famous wrestler of all time. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:17, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb described by many as 'the face of wrestling', RIP. harrz ^talk 16:19, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: There's still several unsourced parts of this article that need citations before posting. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:22, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Came here after seeing the headlines. I support a blurb per above. --SpectralIon 16:26, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Very influential in his field of professional wrestling, which wouldn't be the global phenomenon it is today without him. RIP Hulkster. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:27, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• RD only Extremely notable but not transformative. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 16:27, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
  • IP, Several sources are stating he was wrestlings first global star, I think you may wish to reword that. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
  • In the name of Jesus Christ, I rebuke the above comment. If Hulk Hogan was not transformative in the field of pro wrestling, then the word has lost all meaning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1014:b138:71d4:b1c8:a66:fcf1:19a (talk) 21:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Per The New York Times: "The charismatic wrestler helped build an entertainment on the margins into a cultural behemoth" & that Hogan "helped transform professional wrestling from a low-budget regional attraction into a multibillion dollar industry". No doubt Hogan is not only influential in the world of wrestling but he made wrestling a global successful industry. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb, oppose on quality Hogan is by far the face of wrestling and is a cultural icon. He even had a five year stint in Japanese wrestling. As this is breaking news, he'll have international obits as he's definitely influential in his field. To the argument that death blurbs are getting out of control/too much: we don't control when influential people die and in doing so I don't think it's fair to reject a death blurb because we've had a bunch back to back. I am opposing though based on quality as there's some unsourced paragraphs throughout the article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb He ranked amongst the greatest professional wrestlers of all time and he deserves this. --Fixer88 (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality lots of CN, unsourced filmography sections, and I see bare quotes without immediate online citations. Atop that, while his wrestling career is pretty much what he was about, that section seems way over detailed, making the article as a whole unwieldy. Oppose blurb as a case where he was a well known figure and is documented to have significant helped make WWE/WWF huge, in terms over the overall sport of professional wrestling (putting aside how "professional" the WWE/WWF were) he isn't really that much of a major figure. Masem (t) 16:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• If your issue is quality, I can understand opposition. There probably are a few issues with quality. If you have any historical knowledge of wrestling, Hogan is at the top of (previously) living figures that transformed professional wrestling. Prior to him, there were some foundational figures in the industry that came along that brought legitimacy to professional wrestling. The WWE (formerly WWF) is the largest, most well-known professional wrestling promotion akin to what the NFL is to American football or any equivalent sport. Hogan was the most prominent figure in wrestling for over thirty years and helped turned it from a regional attraction into a global phenomenon, strictly off his popularity. That popularity helped launch the largest organization in professional wrestling to the top and has remained that way ever since. Some people may say that isn't true, that WCW may have surpassed WWE back in the late 90s (and that was true for a year or so), but guess who was at the top of WCW? That's right, Hulk Hogan. There may be one or two living professional wrestlers left deserving of a blurb that were of that level and Hogan still supersedes them too. — Moe Epsilon 17:22, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, maybe John Cena would get a blurb, but I agree that Hulk Hogan is probably the most famous wrestler. Gaismagorm (talk) 17:55, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  I used to watch WWF as a kid so I am fully aware of Hogan's role during that period. But at the same time, I also recognize that the WWF / WWE are not regulated sports, and as our WWE page says, it's sports entertainment. Maybe today these matches aren't as staged, but at the same time, you aren't going to be finding these wrestlers to be the ones competing at Olympic events. Sure, these wrestlers need to stay fit to pull off the moves (even if staged), but I question how much impact as an athlete Hogan had, compared to being an entertainment icon that helped to draw attention to the WWF. But beingg such a figure is not the same as being a major figure in their field. Masem (t) 18:22, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  Right, I was not arguing the legitimacy of the matches of whether they were pre-determined or not, because they are pre-determined. The argument is that his popularity was transformative, because it is entertainment. How else is entertainment determined as transformative other than popularity? The argument of not being transformative falls apart when you start to look at the entire history of professional wrestling as a whole, who exactly qualifies as a transformative figure in the industry. People before Hogan tried to pass professional wrestling as legitimate sport more than entertainment, and it drew large crowds but ultimately it was still a regional-based, territory system. It wasn't until Hulk Hogan in the WWF that it left the United States, WWF put the territory system out of business and they became truly global. That is transformative by definition. No one before him managed to do that and very few since him have had his level of popularity and even then Hogan may still outclass them. — Moe Epsilon 19:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  What I am trying to separate is popularity or fame from how they were transformative or influential in their area. (we had problems with postings like Betty White or Carrie Fisher where there was no indication of being a major figure outside of fame/popularity). I don't disagree Hogan was the face of WWF for the 80s/90s, but that doesn't equate to having a significant impact if the field at large. Masem (t) 20:44, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, but you can point to several people who are more influential in film and television than Betty White and Carrie Fisher, even though they are undoubtably notable and very popular. If you evaluate how transformative he was in just entertainment, including film, he wouldn't clear that bar. Professional wrestling is it's own niche of entertainment though that doesn't have more influential figures except maybe Vince McMahon, who was the head of WWE when it transformed into a global entity, but even that was off the back of Hulk Hogan's popularity. If there is a more transformative figure in the history of professional wrestling, I don't think any professional wrestler could clear it. — Moe Epsilon 21:42, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support btw article needs some work.

QalasQalas (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Sometimes it seems the world goes months without a lot of significantly influential deaths; sometimes several seem to occur close together. Hence the adage (however untrue) about celebrity deaths occurring in threes. Evaluation of Hulk Hogan's notability should not be influenced by other, unrelated recent deaths. Ryan Reeder (talk) 17:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Support RD, neutral on blurb Article and person is obviously fit for RD, I am not super familiar with how he impacted wrestling or how much of a household name he is outside of North America, but I also wouldn't be upset if this got blurbed because he is an extremely well known figure Hungry403 (talk) 17:12, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Fix article issues first, then blurb There are only a few wrestlers (maybe John Cena and the Rock, who both have famous activities outside of wrestling) who even folks like I (who aren't as in tune on wrestling as some people out there) can name and attach a picture to that name: Hogan was one of them. Absolutely transformative figure in wrestling. Article's quality does require some quick cleanup before we can blurb, however. R.I.P., brother. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:29, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, not on notability Yes, we shouldn't have posted Connie Francis, but we shouldn't let that mistake obscure the fact that despite the fact he was a fairly unpleasant character, this is someone transformative in their field, as I can vouch for by saying that I've heard of him and I know precisely **** all about wrestling. Black Kite (talk) 17:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb His death did not have as much international repercussion. The repercussion may have been greater in the USA. A.WagnerC(alt) (talk) 17:37, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose blurb Per all above. Popular figure ≠ transformative figure. Oppose on quality some lines and paras are unsourced. Whether posted in the RD or as a blurb, please be responsible and ensure that the article meets the required quality standards, including articles about celebrities. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb - per the other supporters. Probably the most notable person in his field all-time, his death is front page news (even NYT, BBC, etc.). Levivich (talk) 17:49, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb - pop culture icon and brought professional wrestling to its modern celebrity mainstream. - GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 17:56, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb. A) It looks nice juxtaposed with Ozzy's (This string of three seems to have been particularly '80s-friendly; a little bittersweet for those of us Atari-wave GenXers) B) Outside wrestling, Hogan is also significant for his role in bringing down Gawker Media (even though that probably wasn't his intent; he always only wanted to find out who leaked that tape in the first place). Daniel Case (talk) 18:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose blurb. The usual "ooh I've heard of this guy" blurb suggestions above, but that's not supposed to be the criterion for blurbing. It's major transformative global figures who transcend the usual RD line. If the conditions are to be changed then we need to explicitly make that decision on the talk page, not just drift into blurbing all and sundry because lots of people support blurbing pop culture figures. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

@Amakuru, I want to encourage you to compose votes that are worded in a way that does not insult or disparage people who disagree with you or vote a different way. My vote isn't "ooh I've heard of this guy," and I'm insulted that you would characterize it like that. I think Hogan was a major transformative global figure, in the field of entertainment generally and professional wrestling specifically; he is not "all and sundry," he is exceptional, one-of-kind, king-of-the-hill, top-of-the-game, best professional wrestler of all time. I would equally support blurbing the deaths of the best basketball player, the best opera singer, the best actor, etc. etc. If you want to argue that Hogan is not transformative, that he wasn't the best, or just doesn't make the cut, fine... but please don't belittle my opinion and the opinion of others by describing it as "ooh I've heard of this guy" or "blurbing all and sundry."

One thing you should remember about all of the RD/blurb discussions is that it's not some abstract game. Some of us are actually mourning and grieving. Please be more respectful of the deceased, and of your fellow editors. Levivich (talk) 18:45, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Respecting each user's grief, decisions on Wikipedia must be based on objective criteria, as it is an encyclopaedia, leaving feelings aside. Amakuru has not disrespected anyone. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:10, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

First, literally none of the ITN criteria is objective. Neither "quality" nor "significance" are objective measurements. In the RD/blurb debates, "transformative" is also not an objective measurement. All of ITN is subjective.

Second, The usual 'ooh I've heard of this guy' blurb suggestions above, but that's not supposed to be the criterion for blurbing is disrespectful, both of the deceased and of editors. Editors are not voting based on whether they've heard of this guy. Their votes are well grounded in ITN blurb criteria and in Wikipedia policy. Look at Starship Paint and Moe's comments above, for example: quoting RSes, detailed explanations for why he's transformative. You may disagree, but don't disrespect or disparage the editors who are making well-explained arguments. Levivich (talk) 20:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

I agree that "ooh I've heard of this guy" doesn't correspond with the reasons given for adding a blurb. Though I disagree that Amakuru was being disrespectful toward people who are mourning and grieving, it is something that might be kept in mind. For example, I am personally more than sick and tired of seeing "old person dies" posted at ITN; not just because it's actually irrelevant regarding the dead person's significance, but also because it's just a vulgar way to phrase whatever is meant to be expressed. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Obviously a major figure in his field. The article has 422 citations and zero {{cn}} which is good as these things go. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:50, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

The tables in the "media appearances"/filmography section are unsourced. Natg 19 (talk) 18:54, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Citations are only required for controversial/contested claims and quotations -- that's the core policy. The fact that he appeared in movies such as Suburban Commando is quite uncontroversial and so does not require a citation. See WP:OBV and WP:REFCLUTTER which explain that we don't want too many citations and 422 seems like plenty -- far more than most articles. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:32, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

While it may be obvious for something like suburban commando where he was a starring role, what about the appearance in Walker, Texas Ranger? I'll also point out that WP:V has been updated that we can't rely on blue links for citations. Masem (t) 20:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

You can watch that episode here and the cast list confirms Hogan's role. This is not controversial. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:24, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Hogan is the very definition of transformative. To deny that is, in wrestling lingo, underselling it. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb - we've had a lot of blurbs for people lately wizzito | say hello! 20:13, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• That is specifically deprecated as an argument to avoid, "Opposing a specific story merely because one opposes all stories of that type (such as elections, or sports, or disasters) do not often generate agreement from the community. This also holds true for arguments based on similar stories which have coincidentally appeared recently, such as multiple elections on the same day, etc. Please assess and comment on the merits of each story on its own accord, not in relation to other similar stories.". Andrew🐉(talk) 20:25, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb - He was no doubt notable in wrestling and a major star in the 1980's, but probably not relevant enough for a blurb. --71.93.9.236 (talk) 20:23, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb. I don't care for wrestling (nor did I for Black Sabbath), but Hulk Hogan was a Mandela-like figure for that sport/entertainment. Not accepting that smacks of elitism. Article looks comprehensive. Khuft (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  Mandela-like figure? Kowal2701 (talk) 22:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  Or Thatcher-like, or Madonna-like, if you prefer. You don't have to like him, nor like the US version of wrestling, but he was transformative in that field of entertainment. That's what the "Mandela-like figure" shorthand stands for. Khuft (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Hogan is probably the best known figure in 'theatrical wrestling' (if you ignore Trump). Even Cena and the Rock is far behind. 2A02:2F05:110E:9E00:C492:FE12:4DAA:BEDA (talk) 21:03, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb Very well known, his Gawker lawsuit was pretty important too. Ali-m-0102 (talk) 21:11, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb OLDMANDIES. Manner of death not notable. No direct impact of death. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  I was waiting for this specific vote. Hulkamania doesn't die! Howard the Duck (talk) 21:44, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  At least write the actual essay if you're going to copy paste the same comment onto every blurb discussion, good lord. Parabolist (talk) 23:26, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  At what point does this become POINT-y? GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 00:04, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  To quote Ohioans, always has been. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:07, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Then at what point do we take people to ANI for this, as clearly discussion on the Talk Page hasn’t helped. GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 13:55, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, oppose blurb - While he was a popular entertainer, Hogan was not a genre-defining figure in the same way Ozzy Osbourne was. It's a reasonably close thing, I'll concede, but my judgement is against. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  @GenevieveDEon I hate to defend the guy, but he kinda was genre-defining - he’s widely recognized as the first national and even global star in pro wrestling, and has household-name status in a way most wrestling stars don’t (maybe the Rock and John Cena are the only others). The Kip ^(contribs) 22:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb: I don't care whatever they say, Hogan is the major contribution on the history of professional wrestling and to World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment, not even the non-wrestling fan would get my point. If they watch the documentary of Mr. McMahon they'll understand my point. The legacy of Hogan is huge contribution on professional wrestling history. ROY is WAR Talk! 22:39, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, see Professional wrestling, specifically In the United States, the term "professional wrestling" does not refer to competitive wrestling, which was never popular enough with the American public to sustain a professional scene. It is not actual wrestling, that would be something like Dambe or Freestyle wrestling. So what "field" is this? Acting? Theatre? In neither of which Hulk Hogan was a transformative figure. Kowal2701 (talk) 22:39, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Sports entertainment, I would believe GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 23:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Dk whether that’s still too narrow Kowal2701 (talk) 23:24, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb One of the first pieces that comes up for him in a google scholar search is "Hulk Hogan in the Rainforest" [2]; which is documenting his global impact. There's no more clearer evidence than a piece like that. GuzzyG (talk) 23:05, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Per GuzzyG and TDKR Chicago 101, a transformative figure in his field with international recognition. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:01, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, Oppose Blurb While I agree that he was a very popular or infamous figure, but I don't think so his impact and legacy matches that of Ozzy or (God forbid no way near) Nelson Mandela, considering what his field of achievement was. Other are saying he is the most popular WWE wrestler of all time but I think Vince McMahon, Andre the Giant or the Rock are more famous than him and more impactful. LiamKorda 02:56, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

I guess we don't need to have the debate whether Andre or Hogan was more popular since it will never come up since Andre has long passed away for a blurb. As for the other two, there is a debate whether they are more impactful. The Rock's primary wrestling career was less than a decade, while Hogan's spanned from the late '70s until the 2000s. The Rock is a more notable actor, for sure, but transformative figure in professional wrestling? Hardly. Hogan's level of popularity sustained for well over 25 years, sold more merchandise and had more people attend his fights than The Rock. Vince McMahon is an interesting argument because he bought the WWWF from his father and sought to drive the regional territories out of business by crossing lines and taking the promotion nationally, and then globally. McMahon handpicked Hulk Hogan to be the megastar of the company and rode his popularity into him winning the title and creating WrestleMania which Hogan was the main event of for the next nine WrestleMania's thereafter. Without Hulk Hogan being his chosen star, Vince McMahon very well may have defaulted on his payments to his father and be forced to sell the WWF back to Vince Sr. His impact on professional wrestling is undoubtful, but I think how impactful he was isn't nearly as much as Hogan. Hogan's name became synonymous with professional wrestling and who/what a wrestler is, while Vince McMahon is recognized as the biggest businessman to come from the world of wrestling. He would probably be deserving of a blurb once he passes away nonetheless. — Moe Epsilon 03:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

I disagree on this. Even Vince (he said it on his Twitter (X)) would credit to Hogan because without WWE or WWF, and they built the professional wrestling to mainstream as said to Vince on Mr. McMahon documentary on Netflix. I suggest try to watch that documentary to understand why the blurb deserves to it and not being bias. ROY is WAR Talk! 05:40, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support RD, Oppose blurb. OLDMANDIES. Manner of death not notable. No direct impact of death. We shouldn’t be lowering the bar for pop culture figures. - SchroCat (talk) 04:00, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb, as per the reasons listed, his success was pivotal in the rise of Professional Wrestling as a sport, similar to how Osborne was a major figure in the world of Rock N' Roll. TheFellaVB (talk) 04:22, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support notable figure.

Veritasphere (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• By the numbers The !votes above have 48 "support blurb" to 24 "oppose blurb" so that's a 2:1 ratio. The spike in readership on the news was 3 million which is huge as these things go as few RDs get that level of attention – Ozzy Osbourne is quite exceptional too. See recent cases including the other recent blurbs of Connie Francis and Muhammadu Buhari. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:33, 25 July 2025 (UTC) (edit conflict)

  Remember, we use consensus, not voting –DMartin 06:50, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  We still use the consensus, not the voting. But, the consensus of the opposing on blurb are not making sense at all. Tho, some have points on oppose but it is still that's not what I looking for their arguments. ROY is WAR Talk! 06:58, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Here we go with pageviews again… ^EF⁵ 12:06, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb -- seems silly that we've not posted it yet. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Had Wikipedia been around when Jesus Christ died, he would have been resurrected before we blurbed the crucifixion. Levivich (talk) 06:58, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose blurb for the usual reasons. We cannot be posting to ITN every time a famous old person dies. We have recent deaths for a reason. –DMartin 06:50, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  ITN blurbs are nowhere near their practical limits. DYK posts 9+ blurbs every day while the current ITN blurbs are 3, 4, 5 and 6 days old! ITN should be posting at least one new blurb per day to stay fresh like the other main sections. Posting Hogan and other superstars would help with this. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:26, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  We cannot control how the news happens, so there's absolutely no way we should be trying to enforce any type of "x blurbs a day" metric. Masem (t) 11:54, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  I'm with Andrew on this. ITN should, by definition, be a section with relatively high turnover - news changes on a daily basis. Our intransigence and exceedingly high quality standards prevent a healthier pipeline of posts (though I'm not saying we should post more death blurbs - see my comment on the Talk page for that). Khuft (talk) 12:01, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  But WP is not a newspaper. We are an encyclopedia, and not all things that happen in the news doesn't equate to material to be added to WP, much less a significant update or a major article. And as a main page box, quality is not a standard we can ignore. Masem (t) 12:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Well, German wikipedia handles it without bolded news items. Anyway, that's a discussion for Talk. And I'm not saying we should post things without a quality check (nor have I ever argued for that, I hope), but the standards that are applied on ITN sometimes seem frivolous. Khuft (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Added to RD, which seems uncontroversial. Discussion about blurb can continue. Sandstein 10:58, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  The filmography/etc. sections are still not sourced, so this is not up to quality standards yet. Masem (t) 11:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb/RD. Hogan is an iconic figure not only in professional wrestling but in acting and American pop culture generally. One of the most instantly recognizable figures from the 1980s. Very odd that there's a blurb on Ozzy Osbourne but absolutely no mention of Hogan. HurricaneHiggins (talk) 11:06, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb - As already quoted above, Hogan was a transformative figure in his field, being a household name in the 1980s and 1990s and stimulating the rise of the WWF (later WWE) into the world's largest wrestling franchise. Out of that generation of wrestlers, he's also probably had the most staying power in the popular zeitgeist. When the New York Times is crediting you for kickstarting a global industry (see TDKR Chicago 101's comment above), you should meet our threshold for ITN. The fact that we've had several high profile deaths recently is irrelevant. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:22, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb It was Vince McMahon who transformed wrestling, if he hadn't hired Hogan, he would have hired someone else. Carter's beachhead (talk) 11:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  It's Hulk Hogan that has claimed the mantle of popular celebrity, however. I doubt Vince McMahon is a household name outside the US / the cloistered world of wrestling, but Hulk Hogan has become a household name even among people who don't follow wrestling and/or live outside the US. Khuft (talk) 11:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  BTW: are you the same sock that commented about Vince McMahon earlier, and before that bludgeoned everyone about Usyk? Khuft (talk) 11:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  No. If the only reason Hogan is getting posted is that he was a household name, then ITN will soon simply be a rolling ticker of everyone who was extremely famous in the 80s but has now died of old age. That's a heck of a lot of people, including several wrestlers. McMahon's name is known by anyone who bothers to read up on the history of professional wrestling on Wikipedia, ironically. Cantor Bighead (talk) 12:18, 25 July 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE

  Well, that's the thing though: I don't need to read up on Hulk Hogan to know about him. Transformative figures in the Mandela-Thatcher mold are well-known in the broad public as representative of an area / movement and don't need anyone to review their wikipedia page. Also: no-one is arguing against Vince McMahon - feel free to nominate him once the time comes (if you're not a sock). Khuft (talk) 12:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Like I said, there are a ton of people who are widely known, who are due to die of old age in the coming years. Wikipedia shouldn't be a memorial site, it's supposed to be educational. Informing people about the fact it was clearly McMahon who transformed wrestling, Hogan simpy being a hired actor to play a role - that of popular celebrity, which he excelled at. No different to Mr. T., or the other household names of the 80s. Talented, but not transformative. Think of all those Americans who have heard of Hogan due to McMahon's talent for transformation, but have no clue about boxing. Unless it's a Rocky film I guess. Cantor Bighead (talk) 12:39, 25 July 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE

• Support blurb Hogan transformed wrestling from a local small gig into a worldwide huge event. Many countries around the world started following wrestling thanks to only Hogan. There would not be Cena, the rock, etc... without Hogan. Hogan is a worldwide icon and the face of wrestling just like Elvis is the face of rock, Marilyn Monroe the face of Hollywood, and Einstein the face of science... Tradedia^talk 12:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Fairly certain that was the work of Vince McMahon, not Hogan, at least based on the 1980s professional wrestling boom article. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Except that at the time of the boom, Hogan was known by everyone, whereas McMahon was not known by anyone because he was behind the scenes. Hogan pictures were everywhere and everyone wanted to be like him. McMahon pictures were nowhere and no one wanted to be like him. Tradedia^talk 14:08, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Exactly. He's famous for being the face of a boom, not the reason for it happening. Cantor Bighead (talk) 14:18, 25 July 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE

• Weak support blurb Not, IMHO, “transformative in his field” (that would go to Linda McMahon, who was more transformative but who we probably not post, because she is not a global household name). However, he’s a household name and his death is making headlines. If you ask me, if the death is international front page news, we should post even if the person was not transformative in their field per se (ex: Death of Liam Payne, which we did not post). The rationale and precedent for blurbing celebrity deaths varies at ITN with the direction the wind blows though. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 12:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
  • @Flipandflopped: - you mean Vince McMahon not Linda McMahon. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:11, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb I know basically nothing about wrestling, but I do know who Hulk Hogan was. Clearly very influential in his field, as much so as Ozzy Osbourne or some of the other musicians who've gotten blurbs. Computerfan0 (talk) 13:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - there were 10 citation needed tags before my work on the article today ... I have sourced some information and removed some less important or disputed information... and there are no more citation needed tags left. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Filmograhpy/etc. is still unsourced Masem (t) 13:33, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  You can add IMDb link. Shadow4dark (talk) 13:39, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  I will take a look. Thank you Masem. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  The tables are a lot of information. Masem, I've hidden the tables and also duplicated them on the talk page where they can be worked on. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:57, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  Hiding those tables, after establishing that Hogan appeared on film and TV numerous times in the existing prose, is completely improper. The tables should have been sourced before this was posted.

  And IMDB is not a reliable source, per WP:IMDB Masem (t) 15:17, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment - Anyone doubting Hogan's importance (or whether he was transformational) should read the sources. Associated Press - mustachioed, headscarf-wearing, bicep-busting icon of professional wrestling who turned the sport into a massive business and stretched his influence into TV, pop culture and conservative politics during a long and scandal-plagued second act ... perhaps the biggest star in WWE’s long history. He was the main draw for the first WrestleMania in 1985 and was a fixture for years ... pushed professional wrestling into the mainstream / Agence France-Presse - icon of professional wrestling who helped propel the low-budget spectacle into the global spotlight and parlayed his prowess in the ring into pop culture stardom ... Hogan's wrestling skills and magnetic personality as a heroic all-American in the ring transformed the sport into mainstream family entertainment, attracting millions of viewers and turning the league into a multi-billion-dollar empire. / Reuters: sports and entertainment star who made professional wrestling a global phenomenon ... became the face of professional wrestling in the 1980s, helping transform the mock combat from a seedy spectacle into family-friendly entertainment worth billions of dollars. ... "He drew more people to professional wrestling over the course of a career than anyone," said Dave Meltzer, a wrestling journalist and historian. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb transformative in their area (regardless of whether people consider "professional wrestling" as a sport or entertainment- which seems to be the debate of some of the oppose votes), and so warrants a blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

As those sources make pretty clear, all he did was help McMahon. They don't identify a single thing Hogan did, that McMahon didn’t contract him to do. If Hogan hadn't signed, there were other equally "magnetic" wrestlers with skills, biceps and body hair, that McMahon could have cast in the lead role of the WWF production. Cantor Bighead (talk) 14:15, 25 July 2025 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE

• Support blurb. Clearly significant enough for a blurb. Not sure why this hasn't been posted yet. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:35, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb In terms of world importance, I don't believe that Hogan reaches the level of Mandela. However, that sentence alone is not the reason for my opposition. I recognise that there are people under the very broad umbrella of "entertainment" who have a significant impact. These people could include Ozzy Osbourne or Hulk Hogan. But the question which I don't believe has been answered is do we consider people from every single specific field a potential blurb? For example, I find it difficult to believe that a blurb would be considered for an outstanding lawn bowls or croquet player. Furthermore, previously posed the question on the talk page about which Australian Rules footballers would deserve a blurb upon their death, and no one agreed to blurbing any of them. Unfortunately it seems that no Australian Rules footballer would ever be blurbed upon their death. Although I have heard of Hogan, I believe that wrestling is similar to croquet or lawn bowls - its a niche form of entertainment. Unlike Australian Rules football, which is the premier winter sport of its namesake country, to the best of my knowledge, wrestling is not the premier form of winter entertainment in any country. As such, I don't think Hogan should be blurbed. Chrisclear (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  As an Australian; this is not a good read; Australian rules is not a universal sport even in it's own country - hence the Barassi Line. Meanwhile pro wrestling has many deep cultural roots in G20 countries. From Lucha libre to Puroresu. Hogan gets 42 mil in global pageviews, [3]. The highest croquet players gets 15k. [4]. The highest Aussie rules player is at 912k views. [5]. No where near as close. Even in Australia, the most renowned modern player is not as searched as Hogan [6] in Australia itself, except in the one state of Australia Aussie Rules completely dominates. Read a scholarly article like "Hulk Hogan in the Rainforest" [7] for his global appeal, a Aussie Rules player has never been known past Papua New Guinea. A very off comparison. GuzzyG (talk) 19:55, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  IMO there's a very clear and simple answer to that question, Chrisclear: Which lawn bowls, croquet, or Australian Rules players should be blurbed? The ones whose deaths are reported on the front pages of, and/or whose death receives multiple days of coverage from, major international media like Associated Press, BBC, New York Times, etc. Levivich (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  I have a sliding scale, personally. The greatest ever in a field generally gets a blurb; however, the size of the field matters to a degree, as well. For, say, football, the world's most popular sport, perhaps the greatest player of a generation is enough; the same would apply to authors or actresses. Large enough fields probably have sub-fields worthy of a "greatest of all time", like the greatest science fiction writer of all time (within the field of authors), or the greatest film composer of all time (within the field of composers), for example. Aside from the above, for fields that are known, the greatest of all time is the only blurbable death. For fields people haven't heard of before, unless it's encyclopedic in nature (e.g. greatest mathematician of their generation), I would say no blurb. This is how I interpret the clause "major figures" under "blurbs for recent deaths".

  I do sometimes reference the Vital Articles list, although the list is flawed, and should be nothing more than a data point. A Level 4 Vital Article essentially always gets blurbed (unless they play football or are from a non-English speaking country); a Level 5 gets blurbed about half the time; someone who isn't on the Vital Articles list rarely gets a blurb. What's nice about the Vital Articles list is that it highlights important figures in fields I'm not as familiar with. However, the list is biased and flawed, so it should only be the starting point for an investigation as to whether someone was blurbable. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurbI'm also surprised this hasn't been posted. The most famous, and most transformative, practitioner of his field of entertainment that the world has seen. Also, the creeping use of policies which do not exist such as "oldmandies" needs to be addressed. Effy Midwinter (talk) 16:06, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  I agree. Hogan transformed wrestling into entertainment for the masses. Practically every news outlet led with his death when it occurred, which is also indicative of worthiness of a blurb. 2601:882:4080:1A0:CDBF:FC75:6FA6:726 (talk) 21:43, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb He is not considered a particularly talented or transformative as a wrestler, nor is he a good actor. His claim to fame is being good at acting and charismatic among wrestlers, but that feels too narrow and inconsequential to me. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:43, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  I concur. Very well put. –DMartin 18:33, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak Support blurb American professional wrestling is a silly "sport", but there's little argument against the idea that Hulk Hogan was "transformative"; he, along with Vince McMahon, transformed American wrestling from a sideshow to something that had mainstream relevance, something that isn't true for any other American wrestler. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Definitely transformative in his field, and whether the driving force was actually Hogan himself or the executives behind the scenes is irrelevant, as he was the public face of that transformation, and there are always people behind the scenes that contribute to the success of any transformative figure.--Tdl1060 (talk) 21:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Leaning support blurb, but here's a crazy idea, what if we smush the deaths of Hulk Hogan and Ozzy Osborne into a single line, and create a split image with both of them? BD2412 T 21:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  The deaths are unrelated; it doesn't make sense. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:40, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Historian Dave Meltzer said of him: "...You can't possibly overrate his significance in the history of the business. And he sold more tickets to wrestling shows than any man who ever lived."[8] NYT called him "the face of pro wrestling for decades" and said his "flamboyance and star power helped transform professional wrestling from a low-budget regional attraction into a multibillion-dollar industry"[9]. Sports Illustrated wrote he was one of the most famous professional wrestlers of all time[...] instrumental in popularizing the sport.[10]. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 23:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb love him or hate him you can't argue he wasn't the big face of wrestling for years and a major celebrity. just because multiple celebrities have died in quick succession doesn't disqualify them from a blurb. Scuba 00:02, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb based on notability, being a highly transformative and iconic figure in the world of professional wrestling. Whatever sourcing issues the article may have had at the time of the nomination seem to have been addressed, based on a cursory review. Kurtis ^(talk) 00:47, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb He transcended pro wrestling and US borders. There's nothing at WP:ITNSIGNIF requiring a Thatcher/Mandela standard. Unanimity is not a requirement to post.—Bagumba (talk) 03:51, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb article looks now good. Shadow4dark (talk) 10:02, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: any uninvolved admin want to decide the blurb discussion? Natg 19 (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Sandstein: Also pinging you as the original RD poster. —Bagumba (talk) 00:38, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

(ready) 2025 Angara Airlines Antonov An-24 crash

Article: 2025 Angara Airlines Antonov An-24 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Angara Airlines Flight 2311 crashes in Amur Oblast, Russia, killing all 48 people on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A plane crash in Amur Oblast, Russia, kills 48 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A plane crashes in Amur Oblast, Russia, killing 48 people.
News source(s): CBS News

 Wi1-ch (talk) 08:28, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support and also added altblurb. Unfortunately this year is much more eventful in terms of major aviation accidents. S5A-0043🚎^(Talk) 08:51, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support High loss of life (seems to be the deadliest accident involving an AN-24 since 1998) and widespread global coverage. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 10:36, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Because of the number of victims, which, although not small, is not extraordinary. I still think that we need to think carefully about the inclusion of disasters and accidents. I think it is being abused. The criteria must be more demanding. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• I think we need to set a clear perspective here. An accident involving an Antonov An-24 carrying 50 people with fatality rate of 100% isn't the same as an accident involving Airbus A380 carrying 850 people with fatality rate of 6%. The death toll isn't the main criterion for determining if an incident is significant or not. We've posted a bow-and-arrow attack with 5 deaths, shooting incidents with 20-30 deaths, floods with 10-100 deaths, air crashes with 20-300 deaths, and earthquakes with 1,000-300,000 deaths. They're all different as cheese and chalk. You're right that we need to think carefully about the inclusion of disasters and accidents, but this is definitely not a borderline case.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:59, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support: it is a major air accident RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 10:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support as this seems to be a major accident with relatively high death toll for the circumstances.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:45, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb only. Major aviation incident. –DMartin 11:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Too short. Its location may be a limiting factor for how much it can be expanded. Masem (t) 11:57, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. ^EF⁵ 13:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability but oppose on quality. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 15:49, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Per above. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:44, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Another mass casualty incident. This year has not been good for aviation. --SpectralIon 16:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb. QalasQalas (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Support. Support Altblurb Article is well cited, but is a little short. INeedSupport ^:3 17:32, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support - article is fully referenced. Coverage is not going to be as comprehensive as it would have been had the accident occurred in the West, so it is what it is. Mjroots (talk) 17:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment, added altblurb2 as I felt the grammar in the altblurb was a bit off compared to the standard blurb format. Feel free to merge it into the altblurb. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 21:00, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support altblurb2 major accident with high death toll. Tradedia^talk 12:07, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2025 Cambodia–Thailand border conflict

Article: 2025 Cambodia–Thailand border conflict (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Clashes between Thailand and Cambodia escalate along their border. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Clashes erupt in the 2025 Cambodia–Thailand border conflict.
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/23/asia/thailand-cambodia-clashes-border-intl-hnk
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Given recent escalations this could be post worthy. Onegreatjoke (talk) 05:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support on notablity as this seems to be more substantial in scale compared to the Phea Vihear skirmishes, but I think we should wait for more details on the overall impact first. NotKringe (talk) 06:17, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability but wait for more details. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 06:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Wait but support when the picture becomes clearer. I see there is a dedicated article, 2025 Cambodian–Thai strikes, which is probably a better ITN target. --Tone 07:25, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Change to 2025 Cambodian-Thai strikes, support on notability RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 08:01, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support per @4-RAZOR 01 Rynoip (talk) 09:08, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability per above, with preference to the new 2025 Cambodian Thai-strikes article. Flip^andFlopped ㋡ 10:32, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support with target 2025 Cambodian–Thai clashes. Nfitz (talk) 13:16, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support as per above

Personisinsterest (talk) 14:03, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support with 2025 Cambodian–Thai clashes as linked article- as that better covers the event that is ITN-worthy. That article is good enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:11, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support ArionStar (talk) 16:24, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support on notability. This is big news for south-east Asia. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:24, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment I think this would be better covered as an ongoing assuming the clashes continues. I also think the main blurb is a bit vague and reads kind of awkwardly. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 16:36, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Major escalation of the conflict, and could escalate into war (at the risk of CRYSTALBALLing) --SpectralIon 16:45, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support but WAIT. QalasQalas (talk) 16:48, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support alblurb. This is in the news internationally and is significant even without further escalation, since the fighting has been enough to displace tens of thousands of people. 2025 Cambodia–Thailand clashes is in good shape; most of the refs to social media have been replaced.Dakane2 (talk) 18:21, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: There's current discussion on merging 2025 Cambodia–Thailand clashes to 2025 Cambodia–Thailand border conflict. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:30, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

The nominated hook appears fine to me for now. Gotitbro (talk) 18:54, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support in international news, per above. Certainly bigger news than Hulk Hogan keeling over. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  WP:CIVIL, WP:NOTFORUM. Gotitbro (talk) 01:18, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

• Posted. Sandstein 12:56, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment any photo we could get for this? All my love to Ozzy, but I think it's best that the lead story gets the image when possible. –DMartin 15:53, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

July 23

Portal:Current events/2025 July 23

July 23, 2025 (2025-07-23) (Wednesday) Disasters and accidents 2025 European and Mediterranean wildfires At least ten firefighters and rescue workers are killed and 14 others are injured in a wildfire in Eskişehir Province, Turkey. (CTV News) Two people are killed and hundreds of others are evacuated in a fire in Limassol, Cyprus. The fire brigade chief says the fire was arson. (Greek Reporter) (Cyprus Mail) 2025 Pacific typhoon season One person is killed by Tropical Storm Wipha in Nghệ An province, Vietnam. (AP) Six Northeastern University students are killed and one teacher is injured after the collapse of protective grates over a flotation cell at the Wunugetushan gold mine near Manzhouli, Inner Mongolia, China. (Reuters) (South China Morning Post) Health and environment 2023–2025 mpox epidemic The Gambia reports its first case of mpox and announces an outbreak. (Hurriyet Daily News) International relations China–India relations India announces it will resume issuing tourist visas for Chinese citizens, ending a five-year suspension imposed following the 2020 border skirmishes between the two countries. (The Straits Times) Law and crime 2022 University of Idaho murders Bryan Kohberger is sentenced to four consecutive life sentences in prison without parole after pleading guilty to the murders of four University of Idaho students in 2022. (The New York Times) Colombian conflict A specialized court in Antioquia, Colombia, sentences seven former Chiquita executives to 135 months in prison and fines them COP$13.876 billion (US$3.4 million) for financing the now-defunct AUC paramilitary group. (Infobae) A mass shooting in Maguiresbridge, Northern Ireland, leaves three people dead and another seriously injured. (BBC News) Indonesian National Police arrest 44 people suspected of starting forest fires across the country, which contribute to the Southeast Asian haze. (AP) Politics and elections Politics of the Northern Mariana Islands Governor Arnold Palacios dies in office in neighboring Guam due to a medical condition. (Marianas Variety) Lt. Governor David Apatang succeeds Palacios as Governor of the Northern Mariana Islands. Dennis C. Mendiola becomes Lieutenant Governor. (Marianas Variety) (Radio New Zealand)

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RD: Henri Szeps

Article: Henri Szeps (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5885:3EA1:8E20:BD05 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nil NZ (talk · give credit) and Laterthanyouthink (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Veteran Australian actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:5885:3EA1:8E20:BD05 (talk) 13:21, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Several sections in Career section and in the Filmography area need sources. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Kenneth Calman

Article: Kenneth Calman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC and The Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish doctor, medical academic who was involved with devolution reform. Drchriswilliams (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak support article is well fleshed out and seems well cited, but it needs more inline citations. –DMartin 01:33, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support looks good now. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:56, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Arnold Palacios

Article: Arnold Palacios (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ and Pacific Daily News
Credits:

• Nominated by CastleFort1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Governor of Northern Mariana Islands, a United States territory. Article has no CN tags. CastleFort1 (talk) 01:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Good quality article. One uncited statement which is easily fixed. –DMartin 01:37, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support As updater and article in good shape for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:36, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article is well cited and good enough in length for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:19, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:50, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting nominator comment Came back to see Palacios posted. Will also note that what made Palacios significant is that he was the only elected leader in CNMI history to have held the top four leadership positions in the territory's government: House Speaker, Senate President, Lieutenant Governor, and Governor. CastleFort1 (talk) 03:13, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

July 22

Portal:Current events/2025 July 22

July 22, 2025 (2025-07-22) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Constitutional crisis in Somalia Jubaland crisis At least ten people are killed after Jubaland forces claim they have taken full control of the Beled Hawo District headquarters as well as the entire city, following heavy fighting with the Somali National Army from the Federal Government of Somalia. (Garowe Online) Gang war in Haiti Three Haitian National Police officers are killed and one is missing after a gang attack in Liancourt, Artibonite department, Haiti. (AP) (The Haitian Times) Red Sea crisis The Houthis launch a ballistic missile at Ben Gurion International Airport in Israel, which is intercepted by Israeli forces. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2025 Pakistan floods Flash flooding kills three people and leaves 15 others missing in Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan. (AP) A head-on collision between a minibus taxi and a truck kills 17 people and injures several others in Harare Province, Zimbabwe. (AP) International relations Tariffs in the second Trump administration Japan–United States relations U.S. president Donald Trump announces a trade deal with Japan on Truth Social that would let Japan invest $550 billion into the United States and reduce the tariffs to 15%. (CNBC) Philippines–United States relations President Trump announces a trade agreement with Philippine president Bongbong Marcos that sets a 19% tariff on Philippine exports to the United States, while U.S. goods entering the Philippines will be exempt from tariffs. (CNN) (Reuters) Politics and elections 2025 Ukrainian protests, Corruption in Ukraine The Ukrainian parliament adopts a law placing the National Anti-Corruption Bureau and the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office under the Prosecutor General, sparking widespread protests across the country, the largest since the 2022 Russian invasion. Despite calls to veto the law, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signs the law. (The New York Times) (The Kyiv Independent)

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(POSTED) RD: Chuck Mangione

Article: Chuck Mangione (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, Variety
Credits:

• Nominated by PolarManne (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jazz musician, known for the song "Feels So Good" and his recurring role on King of the Hill. Discography is uncited. PolarManne (talk) 17:15, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose There are quite a few sections of the article that are in dire need of sourcing. Please fix as soon as possible. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 17:33, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Support Article looks fine, only one CN tag left Hungry403 (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Not Ready third and second to last paragraphs in the Career section are uncited as well as the claim of him being related to Jerre Mangione (this can probably safely be commented out until a reference is found). 5.57.243.123 (talk) 19:39, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Ready I've cleaned the article up and it probably meets the unique ITN/RD requirements now. As a side note, I really don't understand why people nominate articles that are clearly not ready and do minimal work to tidy up. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Looks good now. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:56, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux ^Talk 12:58, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: George Kooymans

Article: George Kooymans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/george-kooymans-guitarist-golden-earring-dead-obituary-1235392319/
Credits:

• Nominated by TiffanyAlThani (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support. Article has been updated and appears satisfactory. Oh, one more radar lover gone. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Not Ready Career section needs more references and the first sentence in Personal life and death needs referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.57.243.123 (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

  I've added a reference to the first sentence in personal life. career is OK I think. TiffanyAlThani (talk) 04:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Julian LeFay

Article: Julian LeFay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IGN and GamesRadar+ and Metro
Credits:

• Nominated by MediaKyle (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 MediaKyle (talk) 10:50, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Looks to be in good condition. RIP. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:45, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Good quality article. –DMartin 01:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support I did not find any glaring issues with the article. 5.57.243.123 (talk) 19:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support. Important figure in video game history. — ImaginesTigers 19:49, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Is there a source for the DoB, please? --PFHLai (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

  It was there... The references got switched around. MediaKyle (talk) 23:05, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2025 Ukrainian protests

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2025 Ukrainian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Widespread protests occur across Ukraine after the Verkhovna Rada and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy approves a bill modifying anti-corruption agencies. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Unusual wartime protests and the biggest since the beginning of the invasion. ArionStar (talk) 03:50, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose on notability and quality - the full sentence Once the midnight curfew started and people started going home. with no meaningful followup on protests does it for me. The blurb is also a bit awkward; maybe "Widespread protests occur across Ukraine in response to a law stripping power away from anti-corruption agencies"? Departure– (talk) 03:56, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Far too early. One night of protests, without any indication of violence or the like, is not really a good ITN item. If these continue for multiple days and/or turn violent, then there may be a story. But we cannot post every time there is a political protest. Masem (t) 04:00, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on both notability and quality - There's nothing to indicate that these protests are of great significance, and the linked article is very short, poorly written, and currently the subject of a merge proposal. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:00, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Non-violent anti-corruption protests with not even a minor change as a result in a country with endemic corruption aren't notable.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:56, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose The justification above is two things; one mentioning the war, and the other the invasion. These are both covered by ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 19:51, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

   I withdraw my nomination You are right. ArionStar (talk) 00:26, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) Blurb/RD: Ozzy Osbourne

Article: Ozzy Osbourne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  English musician Ozzy Osbourne (pictured) dies at the age of 76. (Post)
News source(s): Sky News BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Updated by JoePantry (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Possibly blurbworthy Mjroots (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb extremely notable death in the music world. RIP to a legend. harrz ^talk 18:16, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb. A huge loss. --Grnrchst (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Strong support one of the greatest metal and rock artists of all time having sold over 100 million albums and was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:18, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb Definitely worth one, or at minimum in recent deaths. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 18:19, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb, notable in his field. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:20, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

comment The filmography etc sections are dire need of sourcing as well as the discography and tours. I would also strongly recommend bolstering the legacy section, as I don't doubt his greatness to music, but one paragraph for that is severely weak for that purpose. Masem (t) 18:22, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb, obviously notable in the field. RIP to a legend. Gommeh 🎮 18:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb. Very notable figure in his field - RIP. Article looks very comprehensive; wouldn't worry too much about filmography as that's not really his claim to fame (delete it if necessary), though discography should of course be appropriately sourced. Khuft (talk) 18:29, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb An extremely notable and influential figure in the metal genre. I don’t think I need to elaborate. Hungry403 (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support blurb - I might not have known much about him, but I think we can all agree that this is the kind of death that RD was made for. RIP - delta (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment The quality could use a bit of work (the solo career section has some unsourced statements) but if the article is deemed to be of a sufficient quality, he should be blurbed. Ozzy Osbourne  5 is a Level 5 vital article and Black Sabbath  4 is Level 4. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:31, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR:, the image needs to be protected from editing at admin level before it can appear on the main page. This is to prevent vandalism. It has been flagged up for protection and a bot will do this in due course. Mjroots (talk) 18:54, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb The recent discussion Please clarify your stance on show business events showed that his Back to the Beginning finale outperformed Oasis on Wikipedia. An impressive exit. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:33, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Strong support blurb marked as ready. Now we have a reason for the rush. ArionStar (talk) 18:34, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb on notability, still needs some sources in a few places. Agree with Masem that there's potential to improve the Legacy section, though I think the quality would be sufficient to post as soon as the sourcing issues are resolved. Absolute legend, RIP.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:38, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb - huge figure in the metal genre.

WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Definitely should post, legend in the music scene BKASEN52 (talk) 18:40, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb - absolute titan of a man. Angusgtw (talk) 18:43, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Posted blurb. There was no suggested blurb here, so I went with the most important element (being the vocalist behind Black Sabbath) over starting it with "English musician". Open to improvements. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 18:45, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  @The ed17: Can we please use a picture for this blurb? I'd rather have his picture on the main page than that of Connie Francis, since he's much more famous and his death is more recent. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  @QuicoleJR: (edit conflict) I'd added the article's lead image to Wikipedia:Main Page/Commons media protection, where it has been awaiting protection. I'll add the suggested image at the top of this section to that page as well so we have options. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 18:53, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:57, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

@The ed17: this article did not seem ready, quality wise. There are 11 citation needed tags, along with uncited filmography and tour sections. I do not think it should be pulled (as I dislike the whiplash from things "appearing" and "disappearing" from the mainpage), but want to note that this was a hasty posting. Natg 19 (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Yup, needs to be pulled ASAP due to quality issues. Masem (t) 18:52, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

@Natg 19: (edit conflict) There was sufficient consensus for a blurb here, and ITNQUALITY gives leeway for citation needed tags (but not orange banners). Edit to add: Masem if you were that concerned with the article's quality, I would have expected to see an oppose in your comment above; that went into my determination of consensus. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 18:53, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I do not dispute the blurb consensus, but I doubt there was enough review on article quality. Only a few editors mentioned quality and all of them had concerns, which should have precluded posting until those were addressed. Natg 19 (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

If you are just looking for the word "Oppose" and not reviewing the contents of the comments, that's not a good way of reviewing consensus, since this is not a vote. Masem (t) 19:05, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

@Masem: I appreciate the assumption of bad faith there. Of course I read your comment (and the rest of the discussion). But when I looked at the consensus, I saw your concern as a need for a few more citations and not as something you felt stood in the way of posting, while others appeared to have no concerns with the article in its present state. If in the future you feel that strongly, perhaps you'd like to reduce the chance for ambiguity and include the words "this should not be posted" or some nice shorthand for that. Perhaps "oppose". That would then be weighed in consensus-gathering in a way I presume you'd prefer. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 19:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I think we can tolerate a few citation needed tags considering it's the Prince of Darkness. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 18:55, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Stuff like this is why I think we need to have an improvement drive for older BLPs. I'm tired of famous people not being posted because of sourcing problems. Also, I agree with Liliana that we should be a bit more lenient with this one. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

+1 I think an improvement drive for older BLPs is a great idea  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:04, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I've opened a discussion about this on ITN's talk page. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Post posting support blurb Obits are calling him the godfather of heavy metal music. That pretty much sums up the fact he's at the top of his field. Article establishes that notability/how influential he was as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Pulled for now due to quality concerns mentioned above. I'm sure this will be fixed soon and it can go back up with a pic, but pretty please can posting admins check for quality before they go live, it saves these kinds of shenanigans. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  Why bother pulling it? It's gonna be solved so fast that it will have to be reposted anyways. This is a waste of at least four seconds of editor time. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 19:01, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  Well it's an hour later, and now down to seven citations needed... I'm busy working on them but it's hard work as the article is far from stable right now and keeps changing under my feet!  — Amakuru (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Amakuru: That goes against the explicit consensus here, but okay. It also assumes I did not look at the article, which I did. ITNQUALITY allows for citation needed tags. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 19:04, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  One or two, not 11. Masem (t) 19:06, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  Indeed, one or two is the operative term here. And "consensus" for quality isn't measured in terms of how many supports there are or how "important" the subject is, but whether the quality criteria are met. These are pretty much clear cut and with this many cites needed, the Ozzy article is clearly on the wrong side of the guidelines. I guess your view is different on where the bar lies, The Ed17 and the posting was done in good faith, but I think we need a situation where all admins are singing from the same song sheet on this. If there is genuine doubt it you want the guidelines changed then let's have an RFC to settle it.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  In a nearly 10,000 word article, far longer than what ITN typically deals with, I find it hard to see the spirit of ITNQUALITY being broken by 11 scattered CNs covering ~1–2% of the words. I also don't see it as outweighing the strong support for posting at the time, especially as in my read no one had brought forward red-line concerns with the article's quality. That's where my belief that your action contravened consensus came from. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 21:52, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  WP:ITNBLURB says ... a few cn tags is usually not a barrier to posting ... Few refers to a raw count, not a proportional measurement. Perhaps, WP:ITN needs tweaking on what the community expects. —Bagumba (talk) 01:55, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  What we expect for quality at ITN should match what is considered quality for the other sections, at least from a lowest-common denominator aspect. Obviously expected Featured quality from TFA is not going to be the minimum (which would not allow any gaps in sourcing), but since both DYK and OTD require a well-sourced article (particularly for a BLP), I can't see the need to be changing this "one or two" that we have. Masem (t) 02:06, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, as currently written, 11 ≠ few. —Bagumba (talk) 02:14, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  Perhaps, WP:ITN needs tweaking on what the community expects. The community has already expressed its expectation that it needs, at a minimum, an overhaul. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 17:27, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Article is down to 2 CN tags, both in the Ozzfest section. --Grnrchst (talk) 20:51, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Fix quality issues, then blurb ASAP Massive loss to both music and culture throughout the West. RIP Prince of Darkness. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:15, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Fix and blurb per Fakescientist8000. A legendary figure known worldwide for decades who had substantial influence in shaping his field and was recently still touring. BD2412 T 19:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose on quality per Amakuru. ^EF⁵ 20:22, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support RIP Ozzy, but seriously, 2 important deaths within 5 days is crazy, so yeah, overwhelming support on this one. 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:F0EA:9997:ADC3:9494 (talk) 20:07, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• • Who's the other one, Roger Norrington? Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:15, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

    Connie Francis WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Suppport for an article as long and extensive as his, just 6 cn tags shouldn't disqualify him from RD, and 2 of those cns are seemingly ozzfest original research from the early 2000s. Scuba 20:09, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

The bulk of the filmography and related sections and the tours are unsourced. While we may rely on blue links for now, I will point out that a recent change at WP:V requires in line sources to be reused on material that could be challenged, so while things like the discography is okay (no question those are ozzy or black Sabbath works), everything else there could be contestable so needs sources. Masem (t) 20:18, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support. He is an important figure in popular music and his place in television as well.146.7.157.32 (talk) 20:11, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb A massive figure in the history of rock music for over half a century. His final performance, just this month, was attended by fans from all over the world, widely viewed online and covered in the news, a testament to that impact. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:15, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb per those above. Re-post as soon as possible. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:51, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Support. Given how influential he was and how comprehensive his article is, I don't see the harm in letting a few cn tags slide. RIP to an absolute legend. Rosaece (talk) 21:19, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - OK myself and others have been working on this and it really is down to "one or two" citations needed now, so I think good to go. Masem are you happy for me to repost? Will do so shortly unless any obvious gotchas.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:23, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  I support posting in the article's current state. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  Burying the unsourced filmography/etc. sections under the rug is not acceptable. While most would be considered cameos, they were not small, unknown films where he was in, and I would expect this to be included in the article. Masem (t) 00:18, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Reposted. Per above, I think main issues addressed. I'll continue working on the last couple of {{cn}} tags just to complete the job. Cheers all  — Amakuru (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb OLDMANDIES. Manner of death not notable. No immediate impact from death. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:33, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Those aren't agreed criteria for this, and you know it. Your misrepresentation is deeply unhelpful. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

You won’t change their mind; they’ve disruptively used OLDMANDIES in I-don't-even-know-how-many votes. ^EF⁵ 12:13, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

There'll always be one... Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 12:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

If we have to used "agreed criteria" in our !votes, then 90% of votes will have to be thrown out in every discussion here. Honestly, I'd be okay with that. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 17:26, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb One of the most influential rock musicians. The Legacy section could be expanded. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb Easily clears the "influential in their field" bar - Ozzy was the titan amongst titans in an entire major genre of music, and his impact will continue to be felt for decades. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose blurb This is an absurdity. Does anyone think this really rises to the level of Thatcher or Mandela? --Varavour (talk) 17:27, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  Could it possibly rise even higher, given Osborne was an active musician, and had done a massive concert only a few days earlier, while both Thatcher and Mandela were pretty much vegetables and years-out-of-office by the time they died. I think all are blurb-worthy. Nfitz (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

  Margaret and Nelson WERE the top of politics, Ozzy WAS the top of the rock/heavy metal. Don't confuse things. ArionStar (talk) 21:41, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

As an aside, it is customary to refer to people in English who are not personally acquainted with you by their surnames, not their first names. (I would make an exception for popular entertainers who make a point of being known by their first names, mononymous, or referred to by their full names.) Thatcher and Mandela might have been 'Margaret and Nelson' to, I don't know, Francois Mitterand or someone. But it's definitely not the idiomatic usage otherwise. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Absolutely! Hungry403 (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb: a legendary and it was inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame Class 2021. He made major appearance in WrestleMania 2, a 2007 SmackDown taping and he is the guest co-host of Raw on 2009. ROY is WAR Talk! 09:08, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Royiswariii: You posted this in the wrong section. This is the discussion for Ozzy. Hulk Hogan's discussion is farther up the page. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  Ozzy was a wrestling figure and actually did all of those things. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

  I didn't know that. You learn something new every day. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Post posting support blurb The most iconic person in heavy metal ever. Tradedia^talk 12:00, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

July 21

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(Posted) RD: Thomas Anthony Durkin

Article: Thomas Anthony Durkin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and in good shape --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:25, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Well cited, fleshed out. –DMartin 01:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 09:56, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Jagdeep Dhankhar

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Article: Jagdeep Dhankhar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jagdeep Dhankhar (pictured) Resigned as Indian Vice President (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Indian Vice President Jagdeep Dhankhar stepped down
News source(s): CNBCtv18 khaleejtimes economictimes.indiatimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Jagdeep Dhankhar resigned as Indian vice president Spworld2 (talk) 15:25, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. Good faith nomination, but we don't post changes of government members who aren't the national leader, and there appears to be nothing remarkable about this - he just stepped down due to ill health.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:59, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Not the head of state/government and unremarkable circumstances of stepping down. The Kip ^(contribs) 13:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Soft oppose eh... if it was the US vice president stepping down this would be flooded with support, but that being said, it is the convention to not ITN government changes below national leader (head of state/head of government). Scuba 20:12, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  The President of India doesn't hold the same power as the President of the United States, however (and the same goes for their VPs). In India, it's the Prime Minister who heads the government. Khuft (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Scu ba the President of India doesn’t hold much power, it’s moreso the PM. VPOTUS isn’t a good comparison. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:46, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:38, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:ITNELECTIONS. –DMartin 01:42, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose as per all above, we don't post vice-president changes in general. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:25, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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RD: Malcolm-Jamal Warner

Article: Malcolm-Jamal Warner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Dmartin969 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), GorillaWarfare (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and ItsShandog (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Originally reported on TMZ, now on other sources. Article in good shape. –DMartin 18:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC) | Comment from duplicated nomination: American actor known for The Cosby Show, Malcolm & Eddie, Reed Between the Lines, etc. Well sourced. --GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 18:42, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Filmography is unsourced, and one item actually has a note that says "unconfirmed", which I don't know how to interpret. If we ignore the filmography, however (which I think we should in such cases), this is good to go. BD2412 T 19:17, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Duplicate nomnation already made. Flibirigit (talk) 21:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Now merged here. --PFHLai (talk) 11:04, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support The article is in good shape. If his role was "unconfirmed" then we can remove the entry for the time being. For what it's worth, his accidental death makes posting more relevant in my opinion. --The Vital One (talk) 22:26, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Not Ready Significant gaps in referencing. (Dreadful news. Memory eternal.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:35, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
• Needs work There's a sentence about his family: "He later married and had a daughter, though he kept their identities private." This mystery is naturally attracting attention now but the source is a dead link. Note that reader interest in the article is very high, as these things go. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:55, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  This is resolved. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 16:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support No glaring problems.-starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
• The filmography, discography and awards sections need more sources. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Des van Jaarsveldt

Article: Des van Jaarsveldt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/springboks/oldest-living-springbok-dies-at-96-20250721-0688
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 212.208.255.30 (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Rugby player. article is a GA. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Just got into an edit conflict when trying to nominate him myself. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:38, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support, good article. –DMartin 19:17, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support - GA article, clearly ready. Jusdafax (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support (as the article creator), certainly ready and was going to nominate myself as I just found out now. RIP to the only Rhodesian captain of the Springboks. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Support GA, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:51, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• @Admins willing to post ITN: BangJan1999 21:29, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

• Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 04:01, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

It's been cited now @Schwede66:. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 22:36, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) Dhaka plane crash

Article: 2025 Dhaka fighter jet crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fighter jet crashes into a college in Dhaka, Bangladesh, killing at least 19 people. (Post)
News source(s): CNN Associated Press
Credits:

• Nominated by Iamstillqw3rty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ahammed Saad (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Raihanur (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)

 qw3rty 14:14, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support mass casualty event and article is well cited. INeedSupport ^:3 14:39, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support ready Veritasphere (talk) 16:23, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Posted. Two supports, fairly clear notability by ITN standards, and quality looked fine.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:52, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Amakuru: what's the reason for the rush? ArionStar (talk) 18:27, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  The quality was acceptable, the item had support and it was good to go. Is there a minimum time we're supposed to wait? I've not heard of that and I feel like things have been posted quicker than this before.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:43, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  There were older blurb to be posted. Connie Francis's death blurb was waiting… The Vietnamese boat's one too… Wouldn't it be better if we followed a chronological order (from oldest to newest)? ArionStar (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Retroactive support. Well cited, obviously going to be a major aviation incident. –DMartin 18:26, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Correctly posted, agree with all the support rationales above. While I am surprised it was posted after only two !votes, I'm not upset by it because this one doesn't seem to be controversial, and it's nice to see ITN acting a little quicker for a change.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:30, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment That's the newest item, and we do have a photo in the article. But that was uploaded by a user with a history of copyright violations. I won't touch that photo, and I assume that Amakuru has come to the same conclusion. Schwede66 19:07, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Rush-posting problems… ArionStar (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  How? If a photo is dodgy, what's that's got to do with how fast a blurb gets posted? Schwede66 19:47, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  With a longer wait time, a free photo of the accident could be uploaded, but… ArionStar (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  There's nothing stopping us from posting a photo retroactively. –DMartin 21:05, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Stephen, just alerting you to the previous concern whether the photo has a clean license. Schwede66 02:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  See Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors#Dhaka plane crash for further discussion. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:32, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• At least 20 now confirmed dead, best to update the post. BD2412 T 20:43, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Post-posting support with appreciate for the quick post for an article that obviously met ITN's criteria. ITN should be moving quicker and posting more to ensure readers continue to find value in the main page. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 21:11, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: V. S. Achuthanandan

Article: V. S. Achuthanandan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): msnGulfnews thehindu hindustantimes onmanorama
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian politician, former Chief Minister of Kerala and communist leader (aged 101) Spworld2 (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Not ready There are some citations missing in The drive to reclaim paddy land subsection, and In popular culture and Awards sections. Once those are fixed, then the article is good to go. Toadboy123 (talk) 13:02, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

July 20

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RD: Preta Gil

Article: Preta Gil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN Brasil
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ArionStar (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose due to insufficient sourcing. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose -- this isn't the usual "discography is unsourced", but very little of the article actually is sourced, let alone to good or reliable sources. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 19:31, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Not ready Discography and filmography are uncited, but the artilce otherwise is in good shape. –DMartin 19:11, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

2025 Japanese election

Article: 2025 Japanese House of Councillors election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the 2025 Japanese House of Councillors election, the LDP-led ruling coalition loses its majority in the House of Councillors. (Post)
News source(s): NHK Japan
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• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Rushtheeditor (talk) 15:25, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rushtheeditor the link is for the lower house in 2024 not the upper house, the correct link is here AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 20:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• This is not WP:ITNR; the prime minister is responsible to the House of Representatives. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:44, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Howard the Duck This result may still be worth a mention? This is the first time LDP has lost majority in both houses while being the ruling parties. Of course, if Ishiba is betrayed by other LDP officers and resign, I'd really push for ITN, but we won't know until he says something today. Maybe it's time to wait for some 16 hours? [11] AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 23:31, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, but not as an ITNR blurb where it's automatically "notable" for ITN. It'll have to go through the usual ITN process. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:01, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Howard the Duck Why is this not WP:ITNR? According to WP:ITNELECTIONS, all general elections are eligible, and the General election page lists the US senate elections, which are comparable in my opinion. Chaosquo (talk) 09:09, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  US Senate elections are not WP:ITNR; there are even some people here that US elections do not deserve to be posted save for presidential ones (LOL). for Japanese elections, the House of Representatives elections, which are the ones entitled "general elections" are the ones that satisfy ITNR. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:32, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  That is not what the pages I linked to say. Something has to give there, either WP:ITNELECTIONS or General election has to be changed. Chaosquo (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  That's true. I'd make a discussion about this at WP:ITN, but current practice here is upper house elections on their own are not ITNR. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Chaosquo: Because the US loves being confusing and idiosyncratic in how it does things, 1/3rd of US Senate seats are up for election every "even year" (year ending in an even number), so every other year. In "off-years" when there is no US presidential election, the Senate seats up for election that year are part of the midterm elections, along with the entire US House which is up for election every two years. Yes, in the US these elections on Election Day all get called "general elections", but I believe the longstanding convention has been that midterms aren't ITNR. They still may be posted if there's an ITN consensus. I think it would be a good idea to clarify the wording on ITNR there actually; would you like to open a discussion there? --Slowking Man (talk) 19:30, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Soft support while just for the upper-house this is a national election it hasn't really had much of an impact, and its article could use some expansion. Scuba 01:13, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Hold for 48 hours since there has been discussion that Ishiba may resign This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:38, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support important event for Japanese politics and signals that change may soon come River10000 (talk) 15:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment It sounds like the PM isn't resigning any time soon, based on NHK reporting from about three hours ago. 11:40, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. On its own this isn't necessarily significant and the blurb is misleading if it implies that the government lost its majority (it still has one in the lower house which elects the PM). If it leads to larger changes in government we can post that as and when.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:02, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

  It actually doesn't. It lost its majority in the lower house (House of Representatives (Japan)) in the elections last year, falling 18 seats short. Ishiba is currently leading a minority government. Khuft (talk) 07:46, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Ishiba is resigning in August, as a result of the election https://www.reuters.com/world/japan-pm-ishiba-announce-resignation-next-month-mainichi-says-2025-07-22/ GodzillamanRor (talk) 04:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Changes in government is ITN/R, and once that happens, it can be nominated. While the Japanese lower house is more powerful than the upper house, it still has some more power than most upper houses of parliamentary democracies. While not ITNR per se, this should pass ITN pending hygiene checks. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) The Open

Article: 2025 Open Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Scottie Scheffler (pictured) wins the Open Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Night Grinder (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Night Grinder (talk) 17:48, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support. We have a match summary but needs citations. 𝗠𝗼𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗷𝗮𝘆𝗮𝟲𝟳 (talk). 01:07, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Fixed blurb for wording used in ITN TheCorriynial (talk) 01:14, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support has round summaries, so meets WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:03, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Needs work For one thing, the lead is too short. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:33, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Might be long enough now, since added in the missing info. TheCorriynial (talk) 11:37, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support ArionStar (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose - usual problem with golf articles - the "Field" section is far too long. In the past we've split out the complex tournament-by-tournament detail and just left a summary of who qualified. Could also use an "aftermath" section for reactions and suchlike although if the Field issue is fixed I'd be OK with posting it.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry, this only showed up after I had posted this. Schwede66 19:42, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: please pull. This needs to be addressed, we haven't posted golf tournaments for a long time for similar reasons.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Ok. I'll wait until you've sorted the photo for the Sinking of the Wonder Sea, Amakuru. I'll go offline now for an hour; feel free to action this. Schwede66 19:55, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks, Schwede66 although there seems to be an issue with the boat image - the source YouTube [12] doesn't seem to be under a CC licence, and indeed it claims copyright in the description and tells people not to reupload. So I don't think that image is a goer. I've removed it from the article. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:10, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  Obs.: the 2023 Open was posted. ArionStar (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

  @ArionStar: ...which happened after I took ten minutes to copy the field info to a separate spinoff article (2023 Open Championship field). Same for 2024 Open Championship field. I'm out of time right now but that would be an extremely quick fix. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 21:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 19:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
• Pulled - with permission from Schwede66 above (which means this isn't a violation of WP:INVOLVED), I have removed this item for the time being.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:28, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment If someone moves the field into a a la 2024 Open Championship field, then likely it can go back up. Although the golf project needs to check on how to fix this again for this (ITN). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCorriynial (talk • contribs) 21:37, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

It's a bit late for me now, but if nobody else gets to it first then I'll have a look at this tomorrow morning. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:45, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

I've spun off the field to 2025 Open Championship field. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 14:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

• Re-posted Schwede66 20:06, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

(reviews needed) RD: José Maria Marin

Article: José Maria Marin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): O Globo
Credits:

• Nominated by QuicoleJR (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2A02:587:CC0A:EA00:CCCE:A854:F0CC:2BA6 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian politician and football executive. Article is long enough and fully sourced. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:41, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Article overall has undue weight slanting toward the subject's controversies. The political career section is a list of positions (resume in prose format) without depth on what he accomplished while in those roles (addition of this would balance the undue weight piece as well). Spencer^T•C 06:47, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Bob Bubka

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Bob Bubka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://talksport.com/golf/3297556/bob-bubka-voice-of-golf-death-tribute/
Credits:

• Nominated by Night Grinder (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary golf commentator who didn’t appear to already have a Wikipedia biography (so I've started a draft, hopefully someone can approve it in short order) Night Grinder (talk) 08:44, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for making this nomination. Unfortunately, the article is a little too small to be posted. To be specific, it needs 200 more characters of readable prose. Please let me know when you believe the article has met that requirement. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:43, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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