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WP:SNOW, consensus to post will clearly not develop. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:56, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Signalgate (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A second security breach is found after chief US government officials' Signal group chats discussing confidential military operations in Yemen are shared by Pete Hegseth with his wife, brother, and personal lawyer. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: We somehow did not post the 1st leak, and whilst aware of not waiting writing great wrongs, this is still an unprecedented security breach given the level of people involved. Thearticle is currently being revamped to include this new leak and will likely be renamed to reflect the developing situation. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:25, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until there are some real consequences (e.g. high government officials resign). After the first and the second leak, there may be third, fourth and so on and so forth. We cannot just post every time this happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But we risk giving negative false equivalence here. Most administrations would have fired Hegseth by now, however that there are no consequences is a defining feature here. There are no consequences to any of these latest actions and everyone else looks to be powerless to execute anything of note to change that. That doesn't mean the leak itself doesn't have implications because a security breach of this magnitude does have consequences. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:10, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't say this leak doesn't have implications or it's a minor thing. The problem here is that these leaks may become so frequent that we'd have to regularly post them if we set a precedent, and it'd be very difficult to say no if a future leak reveals more notable information than any of the previous leaks. I suggest to wait for a while to see if this continues and then re-nominate it for ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Zero ramifications came from the first leak, and the only thing happening is potentially the outster of Hegseth, which even if that does happen, will have very little long term impact. Politicians, journalists, and talking heads can talk how big of a problem it is, but until there's actual penalties placed against those that did that, its not a good story for ITN. Masem (t) 12:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose For the same reason I opposed the much bigger first leak story; Trump 2.0 shenanigans are simply much bigger than a single chat leak. Gotitbro (talk) 13:02, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We already rejected the first leak; this one is getting less media attention. The article treats this new leak as a brief follow-up to the main event. It's clearly incompetent and maybe Hegseth will lose his job, but even if that happened it wouldn't be a big enough deal to merit an ITN blurb. This is domestic politics with lots of debate but no real outcomes. Modest Genius ^talk 13:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We didnt reject the 1st nomination at all, it actually had consensus to post but came too late and was deemed stale. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That nomination seems 'no consensus' to me - which is another way of saying ITN/C didn't support it sufficiently to post. Modest Genius ^talk 19:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Oh no! Anyways, no one has resigned. 2001:2020:347:C24D:2C9C:B7FF:FECB:C5C7 (talk) 14:40, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Short of having an Ongoing which would basically be an "Idiocracy in the USA" ticker, I don't see that we can accommodate the litany of omnishambles emanating from the White House. Black Kite (talk) 14:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Ongoing/news ticker-grade development. Call back when there's an actual outcome (resignation, conviction etc). CoatCheck (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Puan Noor Aishah

Article: Puan Noor Aishah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:

Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wife of the first president of Singapore – robertsky (talk) 01:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Technically not a stub, but stringy. Bremps... 02:05, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Article is too short and lacks depth; it does not sufficiently cover the subject's life and impact to support a blurb. SurveyMonkey... SurveyMonkey (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice signature. Bremps... 18:15, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

works well with dark mode – robertsky (talk) 06:23, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The article has been expanded by others. – robertsky (talk) 06:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine now. Scuba 20:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The day and month of the date of birth are unreferenced. Schwede 66 04:24, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66 Cited now. – robertsky (talk) 14:42, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support no concerns regarding quality. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:30, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 21:48, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Her greatest "contribution" is being the wife of a former president in a parliamentary system. The president in question died in 1970. That's not news. In that case, let's post RDs for the death of all spouses of US vice presidents. Varoon2542 (talk) 15:14, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Varoon2542: any individual notable enough to have a Wikipedia article is eligible for listing in RD when they pass away, provided the article quality conditions are met. That certainly applies to most US first ladies too. As it says in the header of this section, comments should focus only on quality, opposing on significance does'nt apply to RDs. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 15:18, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You missed one of my points. She was the spouse of a former president in a parliamentary system. Her status is even below that of the spouse of a US vice president. Her husband had a ceremonial role that ended more than five decades ago.

Notability has always been taken into consideration. Having a Wikipedia article has never sufficed by itself. Varoon2542 (talk) 17:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You seem unaware that notability is a requirement for there to be a Wikipedia article. Largoplazo (talk) 22:39, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 21

April 21, 2025 (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Spillover of the Sudanese civil war
- 2025 Nasir clashes
  - The South Sudan People's Defence Forces capture the town of Nasir in Upper Nile State from the Nuer White Army. (Reuters)
Boko Haram insurgency
- The Islamic State claims responsibility for a series of deadly attacks targeting Christians and security forces in Borno and Adamawa, Nigeria earlier this month that killed at least nine people and injured several others. (Reuters)

Business and economy

ARK Invest becomes the first US-based asset manager to gain exposure to the Solana blockchain through an ETF investment after Canada approves several spot Solana ETFs. (Coin Market Cap)

International relations

Death and funeral of Pope Francis
- Cardinal Kevin Farrell, Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, announces that Pope Francis has died early on Easter Monday, at the age of 88. (Euronews) (AP)
- Cardinal Farrell, as Camerlengo, becomes the acting head of Vatican City until the next papal conclave in May. (NPR)
Klaus Schwab steps down as leader of the World Economic Forum, which he founded in 1971. (DW)

Law and crime

2019 El Paso Walmart shooting
- The perpetrator of the racially motivated domestic terrorist mass shooting attack that killed 23 people and injured 22 others at a Walmart building in El Paso, Texas, United States, in 2019, 26-year-old Patrick Wood Crusius, pleads guilty to state charges and is sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole to avoid the death penalty. (USA Today)

Sports

2025 Boston Marathon
- In long-distance running, Kenyan road runner John Korir wins the men's competition at the Boston Marathon with a time of 2:04:45 which, along with his brother Wesley Korir's win in 2012, makes them the first and only set of brothers to win the event. (The New York Times)
- Kenyan athlete Sharon Lokedi wins the women's competition with a time of 2:17:22 and sets the new course record, surpassing Buzunesh Deba's record in 2014. (WBZ-TV)

RD: Will Hutchins

Article: Will Hutchins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [17], [18]
Credits:

Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Happily888 (talk) 02:12, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Orange-tagged. Schwede 66 04:22, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hajji Alejandro

Article: Hajji Alejandro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philstar.com
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:25DF:E53F:705:D068 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Raider000 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino singer and actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:25DF:E53F:705:D068 (talk) 08:26, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks properly cited. Scuba 20:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support: nom has merits, but it's regretfully stale, eclipsed by the death of the pope. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 12:31, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted, and just because the pope dies, we won't stop posting other deaths. Schwede 66 02:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gerard Kennedy

Article: Gerard Kennedy (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [19], [20]
Credits:

Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Happily888 (talk) 03:12, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support article could really use some work, this is bare-bones but what is there is properly cited. Scuba 20:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Insufficient sourcing of filmography and award sections.—Bagumba (talk) 16:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter von Matt

Article: Peter von Matt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NZZ
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swiss philologist, specialist in German studies, and author Grimes2 (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Whole enough and well-cited enough. Bremps... 23:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks decent. Sourced. --BabbaQ (talk) 00:42, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support sources look fine. Scuba 20:08, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Thoroughly cited. Jusdafax (talk) 20:04, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 02:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Herbert J. Gans

Article: Herbert J. Gans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 06:29, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Studies in news media" section is entirely unsourced. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:08, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tag. Scuba 20:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Pope Francis' death

Posted, the specific funeral article can be added when improved. Step hen 23:22, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Pope Francis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Pope Francis dies aged 88. (Post)
News source(s): [21]
Credits:

Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

TwistedAxe [contact] 08:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support ITN/R nobrainer for hook. Article adequately updated. Juxlos (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support no need to debate this. ―Panamitsu (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Self-evident. Only possible caveat is cause of death probably should be included (both in article and in blurb), but otherwise ready for ITN. Ark Hyena (they/any) 08:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Altblurbs are welcome, wrote my blurb in a rush. TwistedAxe [contact] 08:15, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Also nominating as the featured articles for In The News section, once the wiki is edited WadoodSultan (talk) 08:10, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support per all above. There's no argument or debate for this. ROY is WAR Talk! 08:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Head of over 1 billion faithful. Prodrummer619 (talk) 08:13, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Needs work There's a prominent cleanup tag saying that the article has an unclear citation style. That has been there since January and so some cleanup and copy-editing seems needed. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:13, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: The unfortunate day has come. Tofusaurus (talk) 08:15, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Well written and clearly evident for blurbing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: No debate needed. RIP. Pyramids09 (talk) 08:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support It was more worthly deserved a separate article dedicated to death of him. RIP. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 08:19, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Well said by literally everyone else, no brainer AndrewGarfieldIsTheBestSpiderMan (talk) 08:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Per above. Importance is given. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:19, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. A major religious figure and Pope for twelve years. No brainer, as what the guy above said. RealAmericanNixonite (talk) 08:21, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Death and funeral of Pope Francis now has a standalone article. jlwoodwa (talk) 08:21, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article seems well-written. As mentioned above, it has a yellow tag which should be addressed, but I do not see any talk page discussion detailing what the issue is. As long as the issue is merely grammatical and nothing is unsourced, I am fine with saying it should not hold up posting this major event to ITN. Davey2116 (talk) 08:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITNR and meets WP:ITNQUALITY (a yellow tag for citation style doesn't stop this being posted). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support EmilySarah99 (talk) 08:32, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The head of the largest religion on the glob dying is pretty noteworthy news LukySe7en (talk) 08:32, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously support The Seal F1 (talk) 08:36, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think the citation style tag is due to the three books listed at the bottom of the References section. – robertsky (talk) 08:37, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:38, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support no debate needed JustAnAlbo (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Easy support here Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 08:43, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per others Centuries123 (talk) 08:44, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. The article is updated, the yellow tag is seen as non problematic. Since there is a separate article on death and funeral, it can be incorporated into the blurb later. Please also take care of the photo. --Tone 08:45, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image Done. Black Kite (talk) 09:10, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Short and simple. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 11:59, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the article on his death should be linked and probably blurbed

Kowal2701 (talk) 13:40, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The death article has no additional encyclopedic content to the main article (reactions lists are trivial), so doesn't meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support Obviously. ArionStar (talk) 15:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post posting support rest in peace Holy Father Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:15, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support God rest his soul. TenorTwelve (talk) 17:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support - nobrainer for posting WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 15:44, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JD Vance angle: I do not endorse the rumors exploding across the Internet that Vance somehow killed the Pope, whether due to stress or with alien nanobots or the like, but do we want to mention that death came hours after their meeting? Hyperbolick (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, blurbs are meant to be kept as simple and straightforward as possible (per ITN/A: The aim of the blurb is to convey the most pertinent facts in as little space as possible.). And adding Vance is unnecessary and UNDUE. Natg 19 (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Of course we don't put that in the headline. But lettuce reconsider it if Vance suffers the same fate as Truss. Nfitz (talk) 17:59, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No the visit is irrelevant to a death blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

She was actually Head Honcho, not just a Munchkin? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Pope met the Croatian PM last anyway, so I'm not sure why the second-last guy to visit him matters. Bremps... 18:55, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, no reason to implicitly make accusations. - RockinJack18 18:57, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not relevant compared to such a monumental death, also WP:NTRUMP and trying to keep an "encylopedic tone" Normalman101 (talk) 19:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Death and funeral of Pope Francis is an article now. ArionStar (talk)

Possible blurb target change to Death and funeral of Pope Francis

Per the current ITN section of WP:ERRORS, this sub-section is being opened so the community can discuss and assess article quality for a possible blurb target change to Death and funeral of Pope Francis. The relevant change would look like this. Left guide (talk) 00:26, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suggested that we add a normal (not bold) link, viz

Pope Francis (pictured) dies at the age of 88.

I don't think that requires an ITN/C discussion or understand why it was objected to. It's a minor improvement to the blurb that I still think should be implemented. Modest Genius ^talk 13:12, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Generally any significant changes to a blurb should be done via ITNC. Particularly required if a new or different target is proposed. Even if we are just considering adding the death article as a non target link it should be verified that it is okay here. To that end I'm fine with adding the death article as a non target link, but as a target link it doesn't do much now that the main bio article does (it won't be at a state until after the funeral). Masem (t) 13:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem and Modest Genius: Is there at least a consensus to add it as a normal unbolded link? (I personally have no objections to such a change) Masem, as an admin maybe you can do it if you're willing and see consensus for it. Left guide (talk) 02:52, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article about death is fine. Grimes 2 14:11, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Support. ArionStar (talk) 22:51, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's fine to add it as non-bolded now. Not as the primary link though. Black Kite (talk) 14:29, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added to blurb as normal nonfeatured linkMasem (t) 14:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) WrestleMania 41

SNOW close. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: WrestleMania 41 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In professional wrestling, John Cena (pictured) is the 17th time champion beating Ric Flair's record in WrestleMania 41. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In professional wrestling, John Cena (pictured) defeats Cody Rhodes by pinfall making 17th champion breaking Ric Flair's record in WrestleMania 41.
News source(s): Cagesideseats USA Today Wrestletalk
Credits:

Nominated by Royiswariii (talk · give credit)

ROY is WAR Talk! 02:55, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are two tables called "Other on-screen personnel" that are unreferenced. Could that be rectified, please? Schwede 66 04:43, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66, the "Other on-screen personnel" doesn't require reference for that based on the Good Article like WrestleMania XXX. ROY is WAR Talk! 06:22, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Surprising, but I shall relax. Schwede 66 06:41, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just because other articles don't do things properly doesn't mean it's not necessary here. This won't get posted but needs references if it ever was going to. Step hen 07:03, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pro Wrestling is well known to be staged, so I don't know why we'd be playing along with this and saying this or that person "won" anything. It's more like the outcome of a play than a real competition. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on significance per Harizotoh, since it's a staged event not a sporting event where the result was in doubt. Also oppose on quality per the unreferenced tables mentioned by Schwede. — Amakuru (talk) 06:42, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The most significant real-world aspect of this seems to be that, for the first time, the event was live-streamed on Netflix at no extra charge for international audiences. See the BBC preview for good detail on the media business implications. Our article says a bit about this but doesn't, for example, say anything about the excessive number of adverts, as the BBC report does. So, it probably won't be posted but that leaves ITN just running a college basketball item from two weeks ago, as if nothing else significant is happening in the US. It's not a good look either way. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:57, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is not an athletic competition, but a scripted performance. 331dot (talk) 08:39, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As much of a fan of pro wrestling as I am, it’s a scripted show - it’d be akin to posting a reality show’s final to ITN. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:00, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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April 20

Portal:Current events/2025 April 20

April 20, 2025 (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Red Sea crisis
- US–UK airstrikes on Yemen
  - March–April 2025 United States attacks in Yemen
    - The Houthis report that twelve people are killed and thirty others are injured in airstrikes on a market and a residential zone in Farwa District, Sanaa, Yemen. (Le Monde)

Disasters and accidents

The death toll from drownings during the week across Australia increases to seven after a fisherman dies after being swept off rocks near Sydney. Three people remain missing and one other was injured. (Philippine Daily Inquirer)
The death toll of the capsized Hong Hai 16 off Occidental Mindoro, Philippines, rises to nine. Two others are still missing. (Manila Bulletin)
Three people are killed and ten others are injured, including one critically and four firefighters, in a large house fire in Jamaica Estates, Queens, New York, United States. (WABC-TV) (WCBS-TV)

Law and crime

At least one person, the perpetrator, is killed and six others are injured, in an arson attack when a man sets fire to an apartment building with a flamethrower in Bongcheon-dong, Seoul, South Korea. (Yonhap)

Sports

In table tennis, Hugo Calderano of Brazil defeats Lin Shidong of China 4–1 sets, winning the ITTF World Cup and becoming the first athlete from the Americas to win the competition. (CNN Brasil)

Hugo Calderano wins table tennis title

Article: Hugo Calderano (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In table tennis, Brazilian player Hugo Calderano (pictured) wins the Table Tennis World Cup men's singles, becoming the first athlete from the Americas to win the competition. (Post)
News source(s): ITTF
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Unprecedented title, "breaking the Chinese dominance". Article in good conditions. ArionStar (talk) 23:29, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide references for the section "Clubs". Schwede 66 01:28, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment isn't it more usual on ITN to blurb the event, not the winner? Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:13, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- And as this was a mixed event, that means the women's winner should also be posted. Which further leads me to question if this event is actually in the news, as the source above is the website of the organization that runs the even, not an independent source. Masem (t) 12:32, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's quite easy to search using Google News. My impression is that this mainly covered in Brazilian/Chinese news so sites like Xinhua, South China Morning Post and TV BRICS have it on their English language pages. This indicates that there's considerable systemic bias here. Table tennis is quite a well-known sport but, because it's dominated by non-Anglo nations, it's not in ITN/R. China especially dominates the sport but ITN rarely covers Chinese news. Perhaps the ongoing world events will change this... Andrew🐉(talk) 14:47, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Well there's also the fact the yearly event is hit or miss if there is an article about it, much less one of quality. I did look to see if we have table tennis as an ITNR as it would make sense, but clearly we haven't had anyone sufficiently vested in trying to bring the annual event up to speed. Masem (t) 14:52, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Regardless of significance (which is doubtful), the relevant article would be 2025 Table Tennis World Cup (or 2025 ITTF Men's World Cup), which doesn't exist. Bold links are for the event in question, not the athlete. If no-one has bothered to write an article, we cannot even consider this for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 11:52, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why would significance be doubtful here? Abcmaxx (talk) 12:25, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Ping-pong isn't in the WP:ITNR. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:54, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If articles were of significant quality and posted regularly then it would be. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Routine events not listed at ITNR can be made as regular ITNC, and that's often a route for bringing a routine event into ITNR if its shown to be posted multiple times in a row as an ITNC. Masem (t) 12:17, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support notability but Oppose on quality. Being a world champion in an Olympic sport that has a huge worldwide player participation, especially so in several countries where it is widely played, and is the de facto national sport of the world's most populous nation state, certainly merits posting. However, as in other sports articles, 2025 Table Tennis World Cup should be the target, and this is a huge shame as Calderano's win is a seismic upset of the biggest proportions. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:20, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose due to aforementioned target article not existing. Scuba 20:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 19

Portal:Current events/2025 April 19

April 19, 2025 (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Herder–farmer conflicts in Nigeria
- The death toll from clashes between cattle herders and farmers earlier this week in Benue State, Nigeria, rises to 56. (Barron's)
At least 178 people are arrested in Pakistan after over 10 group attacks on KFC restaurants occur during protests against United States support for Israel in the Gaza war, with one employee shot dead. (Al Jazeera) (Al Arabiya)

Disasters and accidents

Four people are killed when a Cessna 180 Skywagon aircraft clips powerlines and crashes into a field southwest of Coles County Memorial Airport in Trilla, Illinois, United States. (WCIA-TV)
Seven people are killed when a passenger jeepney on a family tour crashes into a roadside canal in Boac, Marinduque, Philippines. (Xinhua) (Radyo Pilipinas)
The death toll of the capsized Hong Hai 16 sand barge four days ago off Occidental Mindoro, Philippines, rises to seven. Four others are still missing. (Philippine Daily Inquirer)
Two people are killed and three others are rescued after two vehicles are swept off a road during flooding in southeast Moore, Oklahoma, United States. (KWTV-DT)

Law and crime

2025 Tesla vandalism
- U.S. federal authorities charge a student at the University of Massachusetts Boston with unlawful possession of a destructive device and malicious damage by fire after the student is arrested for setting fire to two Tesla Cybertrucks and damaging charging stations in Kansas City. (The Independent)
U.S. authorities arrest a man in Colorado Springs for his "Declaration of War" threatening Elon Musk, Tesla owners, and members of Donald Trump's cabinet. The declaration, sent to various media outlets, detailed specific attack methods and aimed at Musk's elimination. (KCNC-TV)
Four executives at a company building the State Audit Office skyscraper in Bangkok, Thailand, are arrested on suspicion of breaching the Foreign Business Act. (CTV News)
A tavern owner is killed and four others are injured in a mass shooting during a live music performance at a tavern in Marble Hall, Limpopo, South Africa. No arrests were made. (SABC)

(Posted) RD: Karen Durbin

Article: Karen Durbin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Updated by Bklibcat67 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death reported 19 April. Thriley (talk) 03:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Fully referenced, appropriate depth. Spencer^T•C 04:26, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support 3429 characters (549 words) "readable prose size", no issues. Grimes2 (talk) 10:44, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - long enough. Sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 12:01, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks properly cited. Scuba 20:06, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 01:07, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Guy Ullens

Article: Guy Ullens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews, VRT Nws
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E0D6:217:D193:E673 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Belgian art collector and founder of the UCCA Center for Contemporary Art. 240F:7A:6253:1:E0D6:217:D193:E673 (talk) 09:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support No issues. Grimes2 (talk) 11:06, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks fine to me. Scuba 20:06, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 01:11, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Supreme Court order on deportations

Portal:Current events/2025 April 18

WP:SNOW, consensus to post will not develop. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:02, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: A.A.R.P. v. Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  The United States Supreme Court blocks the Trump administration's deportation of Venezuelan men under the Alien Enemies Act in a 1:00 a.m. order. (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Created and nominated by voorts (talk · give credit)

voorts (talk/contributions) 18:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - It doesn't seem worthy of being ITN candidate because its just a case. Also Trump deported many more migrants already and so this group of migrants being blocked doesn't really make anything radical or new. DotesConks (talk) 18:55, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This just a case has attained significant worldwide media coverage and commentary because of the unusual nature of the order. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:25, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - As long as I have been alive, the United States has been one of several countries with a reputation for deporting people for any reason or no reason at all. I see no change in that long-standing policy under the Trump administration, and this judicial ruling falls a long way short of any change. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:27, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it need to change policy to be enough for ITN? The media and commenters have been describing this as a significant separation of powers confrontation that represents a significant rebuke to Trump's AEA invocation from the Court. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is part of a far larger story related to the possible constitutional crisis on how the Trump admin has been handling deportations and its disregards for the courts, though we're still not yet at a point that it has tipped beyond a threshold. That larger story is most likely what will be what is more appropriate for ITN to post than one of multiple court orders that have been placed about this. Masem (t) 20:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have crystal balls and what may or may not happen should not play a role in determination. Focusing on the merits of the story is what alone should be determined rather than our own speculation. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:31, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm saying is that this specific story is an element of a much larger story. This element alone is not worth posting to ITN (neither a news nor a trump ticker), but the larger story, if it develops in a way many journalists, legal scholars, and others are concerned with, would likely be one of those things we should post, just like with the tariffs. Its also possible this whole situation may resolve without any issues (in which case we'd not post). We're not blind to what's happening in the US Govt and know its making news but we should wait for something that is really significant to happen, representing a point of no return or similar line, to be what we post to ITN, not just a solitary development that gets wide coverage. Masem (t) 21:43, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: just internal US politics Cambalachero (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait: since it's just an injunction and the case is still pending. The actual case is more news worthy. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose USA’s checks and balances system doing its job. Not enough notable for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as it is just a preliminary injunction and the case is still pending. Natg 19 (talk) 22:56, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NTRUMP and the fact that this particular legal wrangle is just starting with no evidence so far showing this is in any way any more significant than all the other recent legal and political turmoil in the US. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:46, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Standard national court process, nothing noteworthy on an international stage. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:18, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Tradedia^talk 10:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: George McMillan (politician)

Article: George McMillan (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AL.com
Credits:

Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)
Updated by History6042 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has some length, could be a little longer but no citation issues. Former Lt. Gov of Alabama Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:57, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ Support, it is long enough after my expansions. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN now. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if it's not a stub any longer, you should remove the stub tag, MtPenguinMonster. However, that looks like a stub to me! Schwede 66 01:22, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Still far too thin. Is it really being suggested this is the sort of article which deserves to be highlighted on the front page? 3142 (talk) 01:26, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a nomination page; it is to be expected that a number of the candidates are not up to snuff just yet. This article isn't too far off from posting: a solid paragraph on his legislative career and another on his tenure as lieutenant governor (and maybe a bit of his post-political career, if known) should be sufficient. Curbon7 (talk) 05:55, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soft support it's a little on the stringy and short side, especially for a former Lt. US governor, but it is properly cited. Scuba 20:05, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Admins willing to post ITN: . History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:17, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Political career is a list of positions without any description of what he accomplished in those roles. Rm ready. Close, but as Curbon7 mentions above, article needs additional expansion. Spencer^T•C 01:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, sorry, I thought it was ready. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:21, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Russo-Ukraine ceasefire

WITHDRAWN

This nomination was made in a rush because of tabloid journalism exaggerating the peace deal to be a ceasefire "permanently". DotesConks (talk) 18:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Russo-Ukraine war (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Russia announces a ceasefire with Ukraine in prison exchange deal. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-putin-declares-unilateral-easter-ceasefire-ukraine-2025-04-19/
Credits:

Nominated by DotesConks (talk · give credit)

Oppose According to the cited source it's meant to last only for this weekend, Ukraine has already rejected it, and Russia had made similar unilateral ceasefire declarations for this conflict in the past. While a well-intentioned nomination, it's clear that this ceasefire declaration won't have much long-term ramifications. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 16:47, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Patagonia. — E_F⁵ 17:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mount Patagonia I admit that I made this nomination just by looking at the headlines, but given Trump's pressure on Russia I really thought it would be a ceasefire. Just another case of "OMG LOOK HERE" DotesConks (talk) 16:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and close per Mount Patagonia. Departure– (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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April 18

April 18, 2025 (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Red Sea crisis
- US–UK airstrikes on Yemen
  - March–April 2025 United States attacks in Yemen
    - 2025 Ras Isa oil terminal airstrikes
      - The Houthis say that American airstrikes targeted the Ras Isa port in Yemen, killing 74 people and wounding 171 others. This marks the single-deadliest known attack under President Donald Trump's new campaign targeting the Houthis. (AP)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio announces that the Trump administration is ready to abandon diplomatic efforts and "move on" if it is not possible to end the war in "a matter of days". (CNN)
Persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan
- One man is killed in Karachi, Pakistan, after a mob of radical Islamists belonging to Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan attack the Ahmadiyya community after Friday prayer. (DW)

Disasters and accidents

The death toll of the fire and capsizing of the wooden boat HB Kongolo on the Congo River in Democratic Republic of the Congo three days ago rises to 148. Hundreds of others remain missing. (Reuters)
Three people are killed when a Cessna 180 Skywagon crashes into the Platte River in Fremont, Nebraska, United States, just outside of Omaha. (KLKN)
Three people, including a lay minister, are killed and seventeen others are injured when a car driven by an Indian national driving under the influence hits a tricycle and crashes into a procession in Bacolod, Philippines. (Philippine Daily Inquirer)
The death toll of the capsized Hong Hai 16 sand barge three days ago off Occidental Mindoro, Philippines, rises to six. Five others are still missing. (GMA)

(Posted) RD: Stina Oscarson

Article: Stina Oscarson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [22]
Credits:

Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

BabbaQ (talk) 09:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Solid article. No issues. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Does reference #2 confirm her date of birth? Reference #1 has the year only. Schwede 66 01:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it confirms her birthdate.BabbaQ (talk) 07:22, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The month in the lead and infobox do no match. —Bagumba (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed Grimes2 (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
May I suggest that English translations are provided for the numerous foreign language book titles in the prose? Schwede 66 05:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed.BabbaQ (talk) 07:30, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Article could use some copyediting; the translations could benefit from being formatted with {{en}} templates; could use more depth about her theatre leadership roles (e.g. what does being one of the "theater leaders for the Orionteatern" entail?) IMO needs a little bit more work before this is ready. Spencer^T•C 04:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed--BabbaQ (talk) 11:17, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 18:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clodagh Rodgers

Article: Clodagh Rodgers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ, Irish Times
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:65E2:9D15:F64E:9D6 (talk · give credit)
Updated by ErktheBerserker (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Northern Irish singer who represented the United Kingdom at the Eurovision Song Contest. 240F:7A:6253:1:65E2:9D15:F64E:9D6 (talk) 07:23, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support A distinctive and famous name which will work well in RD. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:13, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - needs plenty of additional sourcing.BabbaQ (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a lot of CN tags, and it honestly should have a few more. Scuba 20:03, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nikola Pokrivač

Article: Nikola Pokrivač (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, Croatia Week
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C99E:58BC:C5A1:6E9C (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Croatian international professional footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:C99E:58BC:C5A1:6E9C (talk) 12:51, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Unless my narrow phone is fooling me, this is good enough. Bremps... 03:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced place and date of birth. Schwede 66 05:37, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done @BabbaQ: Grimes 2 18:38, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ping me when sourced and ready per above. And I support.BabbaQ (talk) 13:46, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Looks good. BabbaQ (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jennifer Toth

Article: Jennifer Toth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Updated by CAWylie (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American journalist. Death reported 18 April. Thriley (talk) 03:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Although the article would benefit from some additional detail about her journalism career, it does have appropriate depth on her later works for which she is principally known; fully referenced. Marking ready. Spencer^T•C 04:11, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 00:04, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 17

Portal:Current events/2025 April 17

April 17, 2025 (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Gaza war
- Rafah offensive
  - The Israel Defense Forces begins the expansion of the recently-established Morag Corridor buffer zone to include the southern Gaza city of Rafah, intending to connect it with the Philadelphi Corridor. Witnesses report the Israeli demolition of structures in Rafah. (Al Jazeera) (RBC Ukraine)
  - At least 37 people, including children, are killed in a series of Israeli strikes against displaced Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian Civil Defence agency. (BBC News)
Red Sea crisis
- March–April 2025 United States attacks in Yemen
  - The United States Navy launches a wave of missile strikes across Houthi-controlled Yemen, killing at least one person in Sanaa. (AP)
Somali Civil War
- 2025 Shabelle offensive, American military intervention in Somalia
  - U.S. airstrikes kill twelve al-Shabaab insurgents in central Somalia, while a separate airstrike destroys an unflagged vessel suspected of carrying weapons for the militant group off the Somali coast. (Reuters) (Middle East Monitor)

Disasters and accidents

Kočani nightclub fire
- The death toll from the fire at a nightclub in Kočani, North Macedonia, in March increases to 62 as a burn victim dies in the hospital. (Sloboden Pečat)
Monte Faito cable car crash
- Four people are killed and one is injured after the collapse of an aerial tramway on the Monte Faito in Campania, Italy. (Il Messaggero)
The death toll of the capsized Hong Hai 16 two days ago off Occidental Mindoro, Philippines, rises to four. Seven others are still missing. (Philippine News Agency)
A middle school student is killed and several others are injured when a school bus returning from a field trip blows a tire, strikes a guard rail, and overturns on Interstate 77 in Chester County, South Carolina, United States. Two other buses travelling back from the field trip maneuvered to avoid crashing into it. Between the three buses, at least 35 students and four adults were injured. (ABC News)

Law and crime

Tropic Air Flight 711
- A hijacker is killed and three others are injured when a U.S. citizen hijacks a Tropic Air Cessna 208 Caravan and attacks passengers with a knife before being fatally shot by a passenger with a firearm at Philip S. W. Goldson International Airport in Belize City, Belize. (ABC News) (Airways)
2025 Florida State University shooting
- At least two people are killed and six others are hospitalized in a mass shooting at Florida State University in Tallahassee, Florida, United States. The suspect is arrested by local police. (AP) (The New York Times) (NBC News)
Illegal drug trade in Turkey
- Turkish police detain 525 suspected drug dealers in Ankara, in what is the biggest narcotics operation in the country's history, involving thousands of officers, sniffer dogs, drones, and helicopters, according to the interior ministry. (AP) (Türkiye Today)
The government of Myanmar pardons and releases 4,893 prisoners, including thirteen foreigners who will be deported from the country, and 22 political prisoners, ahead of the country's New Year. (DW) (Radio Free Asia)
Two people are severely injured in a stabbing attack at an Aldi supermarket in Rochlitz, Saxony, Germany. (DW)

Politics and elections

Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia
- U.S. Senator Chris Van Hollen meets with Kilmar Abrego Garcia in El Salvador to push for his release after being denied a meeting hours earlier by the Salvadoran government. (Politico)

RD: Bill Aitken (writer)

Article: Bill Aitken (writer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced 17 April. Thriley (talk) 16:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Needs references. Spencer^T•C 04:08, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready Needs references. Grimes2 (talk) 13:39, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oppose orange tag. Scuba 20:03, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Ablinger

Article: Peter Ablinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): nmz
Credits:

Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk · give credit)
Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit), Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian composer who settled in Berlin and became a leader in experimental music running an ensemble, a publishing house, festivals, and teaching internationally. Good new refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:43, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Referenced, appropriate depth. Marking "ready". Spencer^T•C 04:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Needs action @Admins willing to post ITN: Needs post today. Grimes2 (talk) 11:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support well-sourced article. @Admins willing to post ITN: pinging again before it falls off in a few hours. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:02, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:21, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joseph Thompson

Article: Joe Thompson (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Abcmaxx (talk) 12:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Well cited article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Well-done article. Sad tale. Kicking222 (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: consensus seems to be that this can be posted now. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone please provide a source for the date of birth that works, please? Or an archive URL? Schwede 66 14:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Found dob in Rochdale Times. I hope, that's ok. Grimes2 (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 01:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Fatma Hassona

Article: Fatma Hassona (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euro News
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Updated by Οἶδα (talk · give credit) and Afonso Dimas Martins (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Palestinian photojournalist. The subject of the upcoming film Put Your Soul on Your Hand and Walk. Thriley (talk) 04:26, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Too stuby. Gotitbro (talk) 05:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks fine now. Support. Gotitbro (talk) 06:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is a stub. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:16, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - on the shorter side. But start class now. Sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 09:00, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose More information needed in the article. Currently too stubby. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:59, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, well sourced, long enough for a RD. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks long enough now Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unreferenced DoB. Schwede 66 01:17, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Satisfactory length and quality. RIP. Bremps... 19:15, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Everything seems to check out, should be ready. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a source for her age being 26 in the infobox? WP can't readily compute it without an exact birthdate.—Bagumba (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted And in a rather unusual "move" (excuse the pun), I've moved this article in the middle of a formal move request (see the RM if you are interested in the rationale). Schwede 66 05:31, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) K2-18b likely teeming with microbial life

WP:SNOW close. GN22 (talk) 16:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: K2-18b (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Spectroscopic signatures of dimethyl sulphide and dimethyl disulphide detected on the exoplanet K2-18b by the James Webb Space Telescope can with current scientific knowledge, only be explained by the presence of microbial life (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Astrophyshical Journal Letters (peer review source)
Credits:

Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

We're at the analogous point in the early 1990s when the first exoplanets were discovered. We went from zero to a few and then a vast number of detected exoplanets. Similarly, we're likely going to end up with a vast number of confirmed exoplanets with lots of microbial life, the reason being that we now know that many of the detected exoplanets are so-called superhabitable worlds, where the conditions for life to thrive are much better than here on Earth. We now think of life being something special, but we'll soon find out that life is very common in the universe, and that complex life that exists here on Earth is special as that requires life having evolved on a non-superhabitable world where perturbations can cause severe stress and mass extinctions, leading to evolution of more complex organisms. Count Iblis (talk) 09:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Needs work The discovery is interesting and in the news but life is not the only explanation on offer. The BBC source says, "Other research groups have put forward alternative, lifeless, explanations for the data obtained from K2-18b ... which highlights the strong scientific debate surrounding K2-18b." This is science in action, testing hypotheses against the data and continuing to refine the results. So, the blurb needs to convey the current state of the debate rather than presenting one side uncritically. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:25, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The phrase "only be explained by the presence of microbial life" is contradicted within the article per: "planetary scientist Sarah Hörst pointed to lab experiments that show DMS can be produced without life." While it deepens our understanding of this exoplanet and interesting in a vacuum, I feel like it's premature to say whether it is caused by microbial life or not. The uncertainties make me question whether it would be blurb-worthy, even NASA is cautious regarding the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose. Professional astronomer here. This team has claimed the same result before, which was widely criticised by other astronomers. The detection was discredited and the interpretation as a biosignature was disputed by most researchers working in the field. Now the team is claiming to detect the same molecule by a different method, which is useful, but it's still a marginal detection and the interpretation is still flawed. There is no evidence that this is related to life - DMS can be produced by abiotic processes. The press release and resulting coverage are ridiculously overblown. Modest Genius ^talk 10:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose an abundance of caution is needed here - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that - and there have been similar claims in the past. I'm reminded most directly of those claims of Venusian bio signatures of a few years ago, now generally regarded as debunked. Slightly more generally we posted the "discovery" of planet nine perhaps a decade ago, which looks a little premature with hindsight as it has still not been found. 3142 (talk) 11:44, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The peer reviewed paper lists both of these as "possible biosignature" but as others have pointed out there's non-biological sources for these too and the paper doesn't go anywhere as far to claim life. Finding these traces are not uncommon from what I understand so this is not as much of a breakthrough as suggested by blurb. Even the BBC article keeps far low key as to the significance here. Masem (t) 12:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A very poor and clearly unscientific nomination: life likely isn't the explanation; the highly speculative superhabitable world is presented as fact, the rest of the nominating comment is just as bit imaginative and fabulous. With this and the "dire wolf" nomination, makes one wonder what has happened to science communication. Gotitbro (talk) 12:02, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per all opposes above me Shaneapickle (talk) 13:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, this doesn't mean that there's life there, and we should wait the 1-2 years for confirmation if there's life. Per many above, this does not indicate life and researchers have been skeptical about this. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 13:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Maybe sorta possibly a finding that may turn out to be something isn't breaking news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Expo 2025

SNOW close. Consensus against posting. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 21:22, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Expo 2025 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Expo 2025 is opened in Osaka, Japan. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo
Credits:

Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: World Expo is ITNR per se. Rushtheeditor (talk) 03:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Needs work The lead still uses the future tense – "will be held" – and does not provide an adequate summary of the rest of the article. The Guardian reports that "The pavilions – and Fujimoto’s “sustainable” edifice – will be dismantled later this year to make way for Japan’s first casino." but the article does not include this discouraging fact. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ITNR I'm not seeing anything on the ITNR list to suggest this trade show, much less any trade show, is ITNR. Masem (t) 12:03, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- World's fair (aka Expo <year>) was on ITNR for many years, but was removed in 2021. Modest Genius ^talk 13:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is a bi-annual event that happens every 2 years and plus I am opposing this per @Masem this also falls under WP:NOTNEWS Shaneapickle (talk) 13:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The main world's fair is once per 5 years but world's fairs aren't as big as they used to be (first one (1851 World's Fair) to at least 1964-5 inclusive) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There was Expo 2023 in Argentina and there is scheduled to be an Expo 2027 in Belgrade, Serbia. It seems de facto biannual to me. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 18:40, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

World's fair#Types says the ones between the 5 year ones have scale/cost restrictions like 25 hectares+0.1 hectares per country. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:22, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Masem. Not seeing much front-page or in-depth coverage in the most prominent sources, which implies to me that it is a relatively standard biannual event with little enduring notability or impact. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 18:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is a routine event with little coverage and no major announcements or distinctions. The article is all minor details, with no obvious impact. I can't see anything special about it that might merit posting on ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 19:15, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the above; the claim that this is part of a coherent series going back to the 1851 Great Exhibition seems ahistorical to me. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:38, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's what the Bureau International des Expositions says. They just lost importance over time. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how an organisation founded in 1928, with no predecessor founded earlier than 1902, can say definitively that an event in 1851 was part of the series it oversees. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I don't see how this is news. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 02:05, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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April 16

Portal:Current events/2025 April 16

April 16, 2025 (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Kherson strikes
  - Russian artillery and glide bombs target Kherson, Ukraine, killing one person and injuring nine others. A sports facility, a supermarket, and residential buildings were among those hit. (AP)
- Dnipro strikes
  - A large-scale drone attack on Dnipro, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, kills two people and injures 16 others. (Reuters)
Somali Civil War
- 2025 Shabelle offensive
  - Al-Shabaab militants capture the Adan Yabal District in Middle Shabelle, Somalia, as the group continues to advance towards the capital Mogadishu. (Reuters)

Business and economy

Tariffs in the second Trump administration
- California Governor Gavin Newsom and California Attorney General Rob Bonta file a lawsuit against U.S. President Donald Trump and his administration over the tariffs, making California the first U.S. state to do so. The lawsuit also targets the International Economic Emergency Powers Act, the law used by Trump to impose tariffs against Canada, China, and Mexico. (Politico)

Disasters and accidents

Authorities recover the remains of a Filipino crew member from the sand barge Hong Hai 16 that capsized off Occidental Mindoro, Philippines, yesterday, bringing the total death toll to two. Nine others are reportedly still missing. (GMA News)
The HB Kongolo traveling from Matankumu to Bolomba, carrying around 400 people, catches fire and capsizes on the Congo River near Mbandaka, Democratic Republic of the Congo, killing at least 50 people and leaving hundreds more missing. (AP)
Three people are killed and two others are injured when two boats collide on Lewis Smith Lake in Cullman County, Alabama, United States, during a Major League Fishing tournament. (ABC News)

Health and environment

The United Kingdom suspends the import of cheese and meat products from the European Union to prevent the spread of foot-and-mouth disease. (BBC News)

International relations

Brazil–Peru relations, Aftermath of the Operation Car Wash
- Following her sentencing to 15 years in prison, former First Lady of Peru Nadine Heredia and her son Samin flee to Brazil's capital Brasília after the country grants their right of asylum. (AP)

Law and crime

Democratic backsliding in Slovakia, 2025 Slovak protests
- The Slovak government passes a law requiring non-governmental organizations to disclose their funding sources and the names of major donors. Opposition groups criticize the law as it could restrict civil society institutions. (DW) (Politico)
Israeli–Lebanese conflict
- The Lebanese military detains a group of people, including several Palestinians, for firing rockets towards Israel in two separate attacks. Hezbollah denies their involvement in the rocket attacks. (AP)
Transgender rights in the United Kingdom, For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers
- The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom rules that legal gender is based upon biological sex for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010. (BBC News)
A German palliative care doctor is charged for allegedly killing fifteen patients between 2021 and 2024 in Berlin. He is being investigated in an additional 75 suspected cases and also accused of trying to cover up the evidence by starting fires in their homes. (AP) (Tagesschau)

Politics and elections

Sudanese civil war
- The leader of the Sudanese Rapid Support Forces, Mohamed Hamdan Dagalo, announces the establishment of the Government of Peace and Unity, a rival government to the country's armed forces. (BBC News)

Science and technology

A research team at the University of Cambridge announces that the James Webb Space Telescope has detected dimethyl sulfide, a chemical thought to be produced in nature only by living organisms, on exoplanet K2-18b, a sub-Neptune planet around 124 light-years (38 pc) away from Earth. (BBC News)
A colossal squid is filmed in the Southern Atlantic Ocean for the first time since the species was discovered in 1925. The 30 cm (12 in)-long juvenile was filmed by a team of scientists led by the University of Essex near the South Sandwich Islands at a depth of 600 m (2,000 ft). (BBC News)

Sports

Women's World Chess Championship 2025
- Chinese grandmaster Ju Wenjun wins her fifth consecutive Women's World Chess Championship title after defeating fellow Chinese grandmaster Tan Zhongyi with a score of 6.5–2.5. Ju becomes the first Chinese player to win the championship five times. (CNN)

(Posted) RD: Francis Davis

Article: Francis Davis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Updated by मल्ल (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American jazz critic. Death reported 16 April. Thriley (talk) 18:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article's quality and sourcing look good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:01, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:18, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Aaron Boupendza

Article: Aaron Boupendza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, CBS Sports
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C153:5B:90E6:3807 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Narcis90 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former member of the Gabon national football team. 240F:7A:6253:1:C153:5B:90E6:3807 (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Boupendza was a notable footballer and was one of the best Gabonese footballers when he was alive.

Djprasadian (talk) 14:49, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD." Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 16:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Any prose on his career after signing with Rapid București? He signed for two years, but the stats table after the prose indicates that he left after only 9 games in Romania and played in China instead. What happened? Please complete the coverage of his sports career in this wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi User:PFHLai, while I haven't looked into this specific case, it's very common for footballers to move to another team without completing a contract. This is why clubs pay transfer fees, as compensation. The second most likely event is "mutual agreement" to end a contract: the club removes the white elephant of paying wages to a player who isn't playing, and the player becomes free to move to pastures new. This is the kind of page I'd usually jump into but I'm without PC for referencing right now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:44, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Thank you for looking into this, @Unknown Temptation. The coverage cannot just abruptly end with him signing a contract, with the stats table indicating that he played after signing, and then moved elsewhere and played more. This nom is not expiring yet. There is still lots of time (a few days!) to add prose to the wikibio before this nom scrolls off this page. No rush. --PFHLai (talk) 17:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) UK Supreme Court Ruling

Withdrawing as OP. Consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:20, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In the United Kingdom, the Supreme Court rules that within the Equality Act 2010, sex is biological. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  The UK Supreme Court rules that within the Equality Act 2010, the terms "man", "woman", and "sex" refer to biological sex.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Extremely significant and controversial legal case receiving global attention. Likely to have significant ramifications both in the law and culture. The article needs expansion. Ad Orientem (talk) 21:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Needs work This seems quite a significant precedent but some work is needed. In particular, the context for this is the UK's Equality Act 2010 and the blurb should specify this. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:51, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb amended per your suggestion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as more complicated than a blurb can adequately cover. nableezy - 22:00, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose only applies to specific parts (differential between "sex" and "gender") of a single UK-only law (the Equality Act). Transgender people possessing a gender recognition certificate are still legally recognised as such in the UK. Black Kite (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure about that. I've read some sources stating that the certificates are now invalid within the framework of that particular law. I suspect that this is going to create a lot of fallout and will take time to sort out. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The UK minister this morning said clearly "Rights remain enshrined in the Equality Act. There are protected characteristics for trans people under the gender recognition part of the Equality Act" and the ECHR appears to agree with that. Black Kite (talk) 08:47, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems significant to me. However, article is still a stub and needs to be improved before it can be posted. Natg 19 (talk) 22:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The impact of this ruling is being laughably overplayed by both sides. In truth, the announced cuts to disability/sickness benefits in the UK are going to be far more impactful than this.2A00:23C7:4F92:4E01:58BD:287E:5BBE:BAB2 (talk) 10:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Wasn't there a similar case in Australia recently that reached the opposite conclusion? Which countries ruling on sex and gender meet ITN criteria, and which don't, given as they're all internal issues? From the little I've read, it appears that transgender people retain legal protections against harassment, violence, etc apart from the definition of a woman. Agree with above that activists on both sides are sensationalising this case. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The anti-trans assault under Trump 2.0 and the ever-expanding 2020s anti-LGBTQ movement in the United States appear much more important than this sad but perhaps ultimately [and hopefully] not that of a significant ruling. Gotitbro (talk) 13:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This page is to discuss whether a story fits the criteria for inclusion for ITN, not to give our own opinions on the issues like a forum. Our own views and analysis are completely irrelevant. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia discussion pages (including ITN) have always been somewhat informal. I think it was laid out pretty well why, in the grander scheme of the recent rollback of LGBTQ rights, this isn't noteworthy; a small comment in parenthesis doesn't change that. Gotitbro (talk) 15:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb "Even though all the sources are covering this, my personal opinion is that this is not a big deal and the reaction is overblown" is not a policy-based rationale and !votes on that basis should not be considered in the consensus assessment. The ruling has a global impact on the future of trans rights jurisprudence and is being widely covered in global reliable sources, because its undercurrent is a popular culture war (spearheaded by figures like JK Rowling) that spans borders. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 18:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Using common sense to look past hype and hyberbole of the mainstream press needs to be done. It's sane reason we rejected the dire wolf nom, as mist of the reliable press were over exaggerating what happened (though at least there it was possible to point to other RSes that spoke to this problem) Masem (t) 20:27, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have crystal balls and do not know what if any impact this ruling will have for the UK or elsewhere. We should base things on objective principles - the actual case rather than speculating on any future events. ITN shouldn't be a place for speculation, hyperbole, and attention grabbing headlines. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Black Kite. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Harizotoh9 (talk) 22:05, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Colossal squid

Highly unlikely for consensus to post to develop. GN22 (talk) 16:25, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Colossal squid (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A colossal squid is filmed in its natural environment for the first time by ROV SuBastian. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, National Geographic, NYT, Science, Schmidt Ocean
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Updated by IC1101-Capinatator (talk · give credit) and Sawitontwitter (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The sighting happened in March but the news has broken yesterday and today. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:32, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Probably took that long for the poor tiny scuba guy to swim away) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Really? No idea why people think these "science" hooks will ever go anywhere, but strong oppose as insignificant and lacking an article (I am not saying one should be made, though). — E_F⁵ 12:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deffo mate. Science is for pansies. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Martinevans123, well, I'm not saying science is bad, it's just these stupid vanity "science" hooks. See also the "celebrities get blasted into space for a few minutes" nom below. — E_F⁵ 12:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not science, that's slebs! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No article of its own and only two sentences in the linked page. That's not enough for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's just a baby Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose and consider WP:SNOW closing, this doesn't have enough content and also happened in March. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 00:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The press release was on April 15 so it isn't automatically stale. Departure– (talk) 01:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose on quality, support on notability; the biggest cephalopod and what may be one of the most elusive creatures left in the seas has been seen alive and caught on camera for the world to see in the flesh, in what took, in my opinion, far too long. I agree a few more sentences are needed and there's a cn tag (added by me to an unsourced claim), but in my eyes this is the sort of ITN spot we don't see nearly enough of, and what may just be a definitive moment in deep-sea exploration and cephalopod studies. Departure– (talk) 01:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment just do a quick Youtube search, I find this video (orginally from 2008). Haers6120 (talk) 03:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"filmed in its natural environment for the first time". -- ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 04:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. While the blurb sounds exciting, this turns out to be video of a 30cm hatchling, which is inferred to be a member of the same species based on fin & tentacle morphology alone. The colouration is very different. How do we know this isn't a new species that doesn't grow as large? Even if the species identification is correct, it's not as interesting as filming an adult - which grow to over 10m long. Readers of the proposed blurb will be very unimpressed to find out that this 'colossal' animal is the size of a large sandwich. A live specimen of an adult was captured in 2007, though died soon after - we even have an image of it alive in our article File:Colossal squid caught in February 2007.jpg. So while filming a juvenile is of interest to scientists, I don't think it's important enough for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 10:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I'd stick to something with less tentacles. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, regrettably, as per Modest Genius above. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:36, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The colossal squid is currently a subject in the news and it resulted in the addition of cited information to this article. If the concern is that it's not an adult, then add that to the blurb. I would oppose if the bold link was to a standalone article about the filming itself. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:27, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Much ado about nothing. — Amakuru (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Modest Genius. (This is the second time recently that Andrew has nominated a 'Colossal' animal story that turned out not to be, although for different reasons.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:41, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, not another one. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Nora Aunor

Article: Nora Aunor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN News
Credits:

Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A National Artist has passed away. HurricaneEdgar 15:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: some claims in the article are tagged as being unsourced. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, oppose on quality Huge loss for the Philippines (most especially its entertainment industry), and this was just extra tragic as her death closely followed Pilita Corrales' demise. However, three cn tags remain, but once those issues get resolved, I think Nora's article would be ready to be posted for RD. I honestly would have wanted this to be blurbed but remembering the chaos that ensued after Gloria Romero's passing was blurbed, I am not pushing for that yet (although I wouldn't be surprised if someone else would do so, I mean, Aunor was a National Artist after all). Vida0007 (talk) 02:02, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, most Filipinos would agree that Aunor was a more consequential actor than Romero, aside from the fact Aunor had a flourishing singing career ar first. If Romero was blurbed, moreso should Aunor. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:48, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, oppose on quality The article is riddled with WP:FANCRUFT. Borgenland (talk) 03:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sources also need to be cleaned up first, particularly the sheer number of blogs and other unreliable sources. As for notability there appears to be outside sourcing [23]. Borgenland (talk) 05:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support 112.204.165.24 (talk) 18:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Her death has been covered by reputable international news outlets, such as (but not limited to) BBC, CNN, LA Times, NBC News, and The Independent. With that, it would even suffice a blurb. _signed,Pat ^talk 03:46, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note on quality: The article still has tons of {{fact}} tags. Aunor's heyday was in the 1960s to the 1970s. This is not the United States where you can do a newspapers.com search and call it a day. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Women’s World Chess Championship (Review Needed)

Article: Women's World Chess Championship 2025 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Ju Wenjun (pictured) wins her 5th Women's World Chess Championship title by defeating Tan Zhongyi. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Ju Wenjun (pictured) defeats Tan Zhongyi to retain the Women's World Chess Championship.
News source(s): CNN Guardian
Credits:

Nominated by Xrisk (talk · give credit)
Created by PatGallacher (talk · give credit)
Updated by Banedon (talk · give credit), SpyroeBM (talk · give credit) and Double sharp (talk · give credit)

Xrisk (talk) 07:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I overhauled the blurb a bit. Left guide (talk) 08:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting that the general World Chess Championship (last held 2024 and next in 2026) is ITNR, but the Women's WCC is not. This feels like it should be ITNR per how we have handled such gender-specific events. Masem (t) 12:07, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, and I likewise think it should be ITNR. Double sharp (talk) 12:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support -- I've added one citation needed tag for the claim that it's the first time a player won four consecutive games since 1958, but if that's cleared up, count me as support. Agree that it should be ITNR. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support now (fixed) ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:58, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - International competition and worthy for inclusion. CN needs a better source. Adding chess com source as a provisional source. Likely something in newspapers archives. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:36, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, also @Malvoliox: The statement you added CN tag was removed (and made an invisible comment ) because it seemed undue if no source is mentioning it. Only mention was an unreliable X.com post attached to a chess.com page (wp:or). --ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm unsure about this one. I'm sympathetic to the gender balance issue here, but it's not as clear-cut as in other sports. As a non-physical sport, most chess tournaments are open to any gender, including the world championship. Women primarily participate in open chess tournaments; women-only events are unusual. The situation is very unlike physical sports that have separate men's and women's competitions at all levels. However there hasn't been a woman in the top 10 players by ranking since Judit Polgar two decades ago, and none has won the world championship. The world championship last year received widespread media interest, high viewership, and a large prize fund; this women-only version did not, at least outside China. The article has decent prose about each game, but otherwise lacks information (compare to World Chess Championship 2024). So I think overall I'm neutral about posting this, and opposed to listing it on ITNR at this stage - that can be considered if this event gets posted multiple times in a row. Modest Genius ^talk 15:21, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's unclear why, but males have outperformed women in chess, thus they have decided there is a need for female exclusive tournaments and rankings. The nature of this debate is outside the scope of this page and determining whether something is worthy of inclusion of ITN. However, this tournament is a major world-wide tournament, with players all over the world, with strong international coverage, and major prize money which is enough to make it qualify for ITN. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an altblurb that matches the phrasing we used for the open event last year. Modest Genius ^talk 15:25, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had misattributed the article creator. Fixed and added significant updaters. (Aside: I don’t know what the etiquette for attributing updaters is; I’ve picked the top 3 by added bytes from https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Women%27s_World_Chess_Championship_2025#tool-authorship) Xrisk (talk) 03:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose only one game has moves and there's also no aftermath section. Honestly the fact that this has gotten so many supports shows how arbitrary quality is. Banedon (talk) 04:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Banedon: I have added moves for all the games. (The chess.com pages have the moves, so I guess the citations to them in the text just before the moves are valid.) Double sharp (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Is citing text with a footnote before some chess "standard" (e.g. World Chess Championship 2024)? Per WP:CITE, it's usually after the related text:
  An inline citation means any citation added close to the material it supports, for example after the sentence or paragraph, normally in the form of a footnote.
  —Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I figured that if it's what the open championship pages do, then it should be fine to do the same here. Double sharp (talk) 09:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  A bizarre WP:LOCALCONSENSUS practice then. —Bagumba (talk) 14:58, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support in theory. However some of the game descriptions seem a bit informal, e.g. game 3 "Tan eventually cracked on move 60" - is that normal for chess reporting? It seems like it should be in a "reception" or "commentary" section. I'm not a chess player, though. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 04:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 15

Portal:Current events/2025 April 15

April 15, 2025 (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russian invasion of Ukraine
- 2025 Sumy airstrike
  - Ukrainian military leader Volodymyr Artyukh is fired from his position as Sumy Oblast Governor following condemnation for organizing a military ceremony in the densely populated Sumy city center, which was later targeted by a Russian airstrike. (The Kyiv Independent)
Sudanese civil war, Foreign aid to Sudan
- Humanitarian impact of the Sudanese civil war
  - The European Union and its member states pledge €522 million (US$590 million) and the United Kingdom pledges £120 million (US$141 million) in humanitarian aid to Sudan to deliver food and supplies to over 650,000 internally displaced Sudanese people affected by the fighting between the Rapid Support Forces and the Sudanese Armed Forces. The two groups also call for an immediate ceasefire to end the war. (DW) (AP)
Insurgency in Balochistan
- At least three Balochistan Police officers are killed and 16 others are injured when a roadside bomb hits a bus carrying police personnel in Mastung District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (DW)

Business and economy

Tariffs in the second Trump administration
- China–United States trade war
  - China orders its airlines to stop taking deliveries of jets from American aviation company Boeing and to suspend purchases of aircraft-related equipment and parts from U.S. companies. (NDTV)

Disasters and accidents

At least 3,747 people are hospitalized with breathing difficulties and airports are closed after a dust storm in Iraq. (France 24)
A Chinese crew member is killed when Chinese sand barge vessel M/V Hong Hai 16 capsizes off Rizal, Occidental Mindoro, Philippines. A search and rescue operation is launched by the Philippine Coast Guard for missing crew members, which includes seven Filipinos and three Chinese. (The Philippine Star)

Health and environment

The European Commission approves the use of Lecanemab, a monoclonal antibody medication that targets amyloid beta peptides, to treat the early stages of Alzheimer's disease via intravenous therapy. This is the first drug to be approved to treat the disease in Europe, and was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in the United States in 2023. (DW)

International relations

Algeria–France relations
- France expels twelve Algerian diplomatic officials from the country after Algeria expelled twelve French officials yesterday over the arrest of an Algerian consular official in a kidnapping case. France also recalls its ambassador from Algiers. (AP) (Bloomberg)
Israel–Maldives relations, Visa policy of the Maldives
- The Parliament of the Maldives votes in favor of an amendment to the Immigration Act, banning entry into the Maldives for those traveling on Israeli passports. (The Edition)

Law and crime

Media freedom in Russia
- Four Russian journalists linked to the late Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny are convicted of extremism and sentenced to five years and six months imprisonment in a penal colony. (CNN) (AP)
Piracy in the 21st century
- According to a report by the International Maritime Bureau, piracy has risen by almost 35% in 2025 with 45 cases in the first quarter compared to the same period in 2024, particularly in the Singapore Strait between Singapore and Indonesia. (DW) (Seatrade Maritime News)
Aftermath of the Operation Car Wash
- A court in Lima, Peru, sentences former president Ollanta Humala and his wife Nadine Heredia to 15 years in prison for laundering funds from Brazilian company Odebrecht to finance his 2006 and 2011 presidential campaigns. (AP) (BBC News)
At least four students are injured in a school mass shooting at Wilmer-Hutchins High School in Dallas, Texas, United States. (BNO News)
Four people are injured in a vehicle-ramming attack after a person drives a sedan onto a pedestrian walkway on the Toronto Metropolitan University campus near Yonge Street and Gerrard Street in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (CBC News)

Science and technology

4chan is hacked and goes offline, with the website's source code and the usernames, IP addresses, and email addresses of its staff leaked by imageboard Soyjak.party. (Dailydot) (Cybernews) (MSN)

Arts and Culture

Events and ceremonies are held around the world marking the 113th anniversary of the sinking of the RMS Titanic.

(Posted) RD: Werner Thissen

Article: Werner Thissen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Katholisch
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German Catholic archbishop of Hamburg, before for the longer time auxiliary bishop of Münster, not without making mistakes. The article consisted practically only of infobox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Fully referenced, short but meets minimum standards for depth. Marking ready. Spencer^T•C 19:44, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:17, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Wink Martindale

Article: Wink Martindale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Longtime radio personality and TV game show host. Several citations in the body are needed. rawmustard (talk) 02:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Several uncited statements exist throughout the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 10:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support do not see any real concerns including on referencing. It wouldn't get through FAC but that is not what is being discussed. 3142 (talk) 02:09, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've placed eight citation needed tags. Schwede 66 04:32, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 14

Portal:Current events/2025 April 14

April 14, 2025 (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Gaza war
- Gaza Strip evacuations
  - Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto tours the Middle East to seek support from Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates for his proposed plan to temporarily evacuate 1,000 Palestinians from the Gaza Strip to Indonesia. (Indonesia Business Post)
- International aid to Palestinians
  - The European Union announces a €1.6 billion (US$1.8 billion) three-year financial support package for Palestinians aiming to "stabilize" Gaza and the West Bank. (DW)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - The United Kingdom sends £752 million ($990 million) to Ukraine for the purchase of surface-to-air missiles, artillery and spare parts for fighter aircraft, as part of an international loan programme funded primarily through seized Russian financial assets. (Reuters)
Herder–farmer conflicts in Nigeria
- At least 51 people are killed in escalating clashes between rival herders in Plateau State, Nigeria, while another 2,000 people are displaced, according to Amnesty International. (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

Mediterranean Sea migrant smuggling
- The Hellenic Coast Guard finds two bodies and 39 survivors when a boat carrying migrants capsizes off the coast of Farmakonisi in the Dodecanese islands of Greece. (AP) (Greek City Times)
A 5.2 magnitude earthquake strikes Julian, California, United States. The earthquake, felt throughout Southern California and Baja California, caused several rockslides on California State Route 76 and the demolition of an office façade in Tecate, Baja California, Mexico due to risk of collapse caused by earthquake. (The San Diego Union-Tribune) (La Jornada)

Health and environment

Aging of Japan
- According to official data, the population of Japanese citizens dropped to a record low of 120.3 million by October 2024, following a 14-year trend of record lows and the largest drop since records began in 1950. (DW) (Government of Japan)

International relations

China–Vietnam relations
- China and Vietnam sign 45 agreements, including deals on rail links and supply chains, during Chinese leader Xi Jinping's state visit to Vietnam as part of his broader tour across Southeast Asia in response to tariffs imposed by the United States. Vietnam also approves jet purchases from China, with China's Comac signing a deal with Vietjet. (Reuters)

Law and crime

Democratic backsliding in the United States, El Salvador–United States relations
- U.S. President Donald Trump suggests deporting United States citizens to the controversial Terrorism Confinement Center prison in El Salvador, despite the unconstitutionality of the proposal. (NBC News)
July Revolution
- A court in Dhaka, Bangladesh, along with the Anti-Corruption Commission, issues an arrest warrant for Tulip Siddiq, a United Kingdom MP who is the niece of ousted former leader Sheikh Hasina, for corruption allegations. Siddiq has rebuked the arrest warrant and called it a "smear campaign" against her. (DW) (BBC News)
LGBTQ rights in Hungary
- The Hungarian government passes several constitutional changes that affect LGBTQ rights, including a provisional law that says people can only be male or female and codifying a law that bans LGBTQ events, including Budapest Pride. (DW)
The Spanish Civil Guard arrests two Russian citizens in Manacor, Mallorca, for alleged breeding and sale of exotic cats, and recover a caracal, two servals, and sixteen felid hybrids. (DW)

Science and technology

Blue Origin NS-31
- A Blue Origin New Shepard launch vehicle makes a brief sub-orbital spaceflight, carrying six female space tourists, marking the first all-female spacecraft since 1963's Vostok 6 which had Valentina Tereshkova as the pilot and the spacecraft's sole passenger. (NPR) (USA Today)

RD: Elaine Wynn

Article: Elaine Wynn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/business/elaine-wynn-dead.html
Credits:

Nominated by QueensanditsCrazy (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cofounder of Wynn Resorts, a big hotel property in Las Vegas, with her husband. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - looks good but needs additional sources.BabbaQ (talk) 08:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support @Admins willing to post ITN: This article has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:46, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Seiffert

Article: Peter Seiffert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German tenor who sang Wagner roles around the (opera) world with a bright agile voice which was seen as a sensation in 1990 in Berlin. The article was poor, with only a tabloid about his death. There are now good references in German. The English ones rely pretty much on Wikipedia as it was. Deutsche Oper Berlin is decent in English, but would not be regarded as independent by some. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nice article and well sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 15:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good quality article. Yakikaki (talk) 20:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:00, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Imprisonment of Ollanta Humala

Articles: Ollanta Humala (talk · history · tag) and Nadine Heredia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Former president of Peru Ollanta Humala and his wife Nadine Heredia (both pictured) are sentenced to 15 years in prison for laundering funds from Brazilian company Odebrecht. (Post)
News source(s): (AP) (BBC News)
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 23:49, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A single sentence in the lead of the Ollanta Humala, and nothing in the body, is most certainly not going to make this fly. And the Nadine Heredia article is silent on the sentencing. Schwede 66 05:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Having read around this, my impression is that Humala is just one of numerous politicians swept up in this scandal. See Operation Car Wash for extensive details. This context should be mentioned in the blurb as I, for one, had not heard of it before. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if anything probably should wait for what is expected to happen to Bolsonaro, and with that, mention that (as it seems to be the case) he and several others were sentenced for their role in Operation Car Wash Masem (t) 12:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update Brazil authorized the right of asylum to Nadine Heredia and is now in the country. ArionStar (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Former head of state is convicted/sentenced and his family flees. Definitely ITN material. It stemming from the fallout of the much larger Operation Car Wash does not negate its siginificance but adds to it, should be included in the blurb. I am not sure why would wait for any future conviction of Bolsonaro [also pretty SYNTH to link these unrelated sentences together] to stall this. Gotitbro (talk) 09:01, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Four former presidents of Peru were investigated under Brazilian Operação Lava Jato: Humala, García (who committed suicide during his arrest attempt), Toledo and PPK. [24] ArionStar (talk) 13:08, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, encyclopedic content about people who are in the news. Though I agree with Andrew and Gotitbro that more context for the blurb would be helpful. If more heads of state are sentenced in related investigations, they can be posted as well when the time comes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:30, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Charges and convictions of politicians is rare and unusual. Articles look good too. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 08:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: ArionStar (talk) 11:39, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His place and date of birth are unreferenced. Please fix that. Schwede 66 13:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Done. ArionStar (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through the article and done some tidy up. I've also placed citation needed tags, of which it now has 26. Hence, this is nowhere near ready. Schwede 66 01:31, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that nobody has done work towards removing those citation needed tags. Schwede 66 01:01, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs reviewers) RD: Carlton Fairweather

Article: Carlton Fairweather (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs referencing clean up but other than that looks good enough. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Why should I care? That is not to knock the subject but the article doesn't tell me. It tells me who he played for and when but anything about his personal life is threadbare. Where did he grow up, who spotted him, ddi he have wife and family etc, activities away from football, all missing from the article. It reads like a sports-stattish "Alls the World's Footballers" entry, it doesn't present a true biography of the individual. 3142 (talk) 01:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Aliza Magen-Halevi

Article: Aliza Magen-Halevi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of Israel
Credits:

Nominated by Longhornsg (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Deputy Director of the Mossad, highest serving woman in the agency's history Longhornsg (talk) 17:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - barely long enough but sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Some expansion would be nice, because this wikibio is currently a tad too stubby for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 10:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded. It's far lengthier than a WP:STUB (this article is 3,000 characters of WP:RPS vs. 1,500 of a stub), with 10+ WP:RS. There are no WP:CLEANUPTAGs. It more than meets the requirements of WP:ITNCRIT. Longhornsg (talk) 23:59, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 00:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Blue Origin NS-31 all-women space mission

Portal:Current events/2025 April 13

Upon reflection, I agree with the oppose votes and withdraw. I also think it is evident consensus to post will not form, but please feel free to revert me if you disagree. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 17:07, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Blue Origin NS-31 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  The all-women Blue Origin NS-31 space tourism mission, carrying crew members including Katy Perry, Gayle King, and Lauren Sánchez, launches successfully and safely returns to Earth. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Vanity Fair, BBC, Times of India, Toronto Star, Sydney Morning Herald, Le Monde
Credits:

Nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I'm not usually one to support space-related nominations, but the buzz and controversy surrounding the trip (it being the Bezos-funded, first all-female voyage since 1963 while carrying major celebrities on board) makes me think it might actually be worth blurbing a space tourism story. Global RS across continents had been covering the criticisms of the trip for weeks prior to the launch, and obviously most major sources are covering it now that it has returned to Earth. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 15:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Uh, hello? — E_F⁵ 16:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the reason most of the sources are saying "first since 1963" is because Vostok 6 launched in 1963. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 16:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Space tourism is nothing new and the composition of the voyage, being all female and containing celebrities, doesn't change its overall importance to push this towards blurb-worthiness. Seems to me to be sensationalized celebrity gossip. Departure– (talk) 15:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'll also state that the mission itself only lasted ~10 minutes. It wasn't particularly long, nor did it achieve much beyond letting folks visit the literal edge of earth for however long. Departure– (talk) 16:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Departure. Nothing very out-of-the-ordinary about this, despite some short-term media hype, and I say that as someone who watched the live footage online out of interest. But it's not the first space tourism flight and I'm assuming these sub-orbital "missions" will become more common as time goes on. It's also not the first ever all-female crew as has been hyped by the organisers, (if one can call people on board who don't pilot the ship "crew") since Valentina Tereshkova flew a solo mission to space in the 1960s. — Amakuru (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Stunning & Brave. And space tourism's just a label. I suggest we remove it from the blurb/add an alternative one (i dont know how) ShirtMonopoly (talk) 16:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a policy-based reason for your support? To my knowledge "stunning & brave" are buzzwords used for puffery, not objective descriptions, and the least not when establishing an event's notability. Departure– (talk) 16:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, an 11-minute sub-orbital flight with 6 passengers. Don't know why people call them a crew, just like many such flights this is an uncrewed flight with only passengers on board, just like a driverless train doesn't have me as "crew" but as passenger. Calling these crew is rather insulting to real pilots, astronauts, and the like, who spend years training for the job instead of just paying enough money to be on board without any actual duties. In any case, media hype but nothing actually of lasting importance. Fram (talk) 16:37, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as @Amakuru said, "the first female flight into space" was Valentina Tereshkova and plus this is a routine manned mission to space by Blue Origin. Shaneapickle (talk) 16:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose there is literally nothing important about this spaceflight other than there being some celebrities on it. This also isn't even the first female in space. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 16:58, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, these happen quite often. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:02, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: rich people go to space. Tofusaurus (talk)

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RD: Abdullah Ahmad Badawi

Article: Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Star
Credits:

Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Prime Minister of Malaysia Tofusaurus (talk) 11:45, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ya beat me to it :( Shaneapickle (talk) 12:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

but anyways * Support This is a death of a former P.M, and this meets WP:ITNRD. Quality of this article does meet the standards by having the life as the main story. Shaneapickle (talk) 12:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: resolve the sections without references and the citation needed tags first. Otherwise, this will not be posted up. @Shaneapickle and @Tofusaurus. – robertsky (talk) 16:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - as per Robertsky, a lot of CNs. Nobody's suggested a blurb as yet, and unlikely consensus for one would develop, but to be honest I think the death of national leaders should be more of a shout for a blurb than a lot of the routine "celebs" that are frequently nominated here. I'd probably come down as neutral on this one as his tenure was only six years and not necessarily transformative. — Amakuru (talk) 17:01, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
oppose - for now. Not properly sourced. Ping me when done.BabbaQ (talk) 20:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC) [reply]
Support RD Not really much information yet regarding blurb. But, assuming posted as RD, it is just sufficient. Feel free if someone adding the blurb in nomination. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 20:41, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 06:50, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. OLDMANDIES. Manner and direct impact of death not notable. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 10:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
the death of a prime minister is not notable? GodzillamanRor (talk) 13:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's notable enough for an RD line. But global news, it is not This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - now looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 17:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BabbaQ The Early Career and Political Career sections still lack citations, as well as the numerous [citation needed] tags are not resolved yet. – robertsky (talk) 05:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD it's good to go, should be up already.Jiaminglimjm (talk) 23:35, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I count nine citation needed tags (three of which I just added). Schwede 66 00:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Khurshid Ahmad (scholar)

Article: Khurshid Ahmad (scholar) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Express Tribune
Credits:

Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 02:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:09, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The exact date of birth is not in the source; just the year. Schwede 66 10:01, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Ahmad’s article now has a reference for his exact date of birth. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:52, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

Consensus to post will not develop. Sandstein 19:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  The Trump administration refuses to facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia despite a Supreme Court ruling. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador refuses to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, France24, NYT, Times of India
Credits:

Nominated by Bob drobbs (talk · give credit)

Bob drobbs (talk) 21:00, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Firstly, I think the current blurb is a little misleading because the Trump administration maintains they are not "refusing", but rather that they no longer have the authority to do anything other than request his return from El Salvador, who in return have refused to do so (a claim which is dubious and criticized among the secondary sources, but we have to have NPOV). Second, in any event, I oppose on the basis of WP:NTRUMP - although the case is horrifying, if every widely reported case where the Trump administration is abusing process and illegally deporting people gets a blurb, we will become a Trump ticker. I think we would need to see something like widespread protests and broader enduring coverage to justify a blurb. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 21:16, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and snow close per above. I don't think a consensus will be reached. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The issue seems quite significant in constitutional terms. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose and suggest change of the end of blurb to "despite a ruling from the US Supreme Court", and add "the" before return. I believe we didn't post Mahmoud Khalil; this should be a similar situation. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 22:06, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Arguably this likely becoming a constitutional crisis (along with every other court order that is being ignored like allowing the AP back into the press room, or restoring funding on various programs) is the far greater story, even more than the tariff stuff, as its respenting the collapse of a government if not checked. However, we're still at a phase where this story can be resolved in a way that follows proper justice, so its far too soon to be going on this one. Masem (t) 00:15, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Domestic news story of limited to no international significance. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until this boils over or otherwise escalates, which I'm nearly certain it will. Departure– (talk) 02:08, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose inaccurate blurb. If he showed up at a port of entry and asked to be let in, they would have to let him in to be in compliance with court order. But they have no responsibility to be pro-active about getting him to a port of entry. The entire point of sending people to El Salvador is that they are completely out of reach of the courts (and Congress). The machine is working as designed, even though you may dislike the task it is performing.Danthemankhan 02:46, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update The topic is getting a lot of attention. One reason is the public appearance of Nayib Bukele at the White House and so I've added an altblurb about that development. Meanwhile, following the Supreme Court ruling, the legal case is back in the Maryland court where the judge has given the administration a Friday deadline to produce their plan. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're out of date. Last Friday was that deadline, the gov't refused, the judge has been requiring daily updates (including over the weekend) to answer her questions of Garcia's fate; they've provided the updates but they are vague and Garcia's lawyers are seeking contempt, and a hearing is planned for today. Eg: its why this story is being considered a constitutional crisis as the exec branch seems to be flatly ignoring SCOTUS and the district court order. The stuff with Bukele yesterday adds more concern to being in a constitutional crisis due to comments about deporting violent citizens to El Salvador now. Masem (t) 12:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Just how Wikipedia isn't pro-Trump, we also aren't (or shouldn't be) anti-Trump. Regardless, not of significance, as Trump has a history of disobeying orders. — E_F⁵ 13:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, not a Trump News tracker. Harizotoh9 (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - this seems pretty local and minor. This is Wikipedia not Ameripedia. Nfitz (talk) 16:07, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It looking like this is going to end with consensus for "oppose" and I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind.

But I am sincerely puzzled by the standards applied here. The NCAA Division I women's championship is of global importance, but a constitutional crisis in the USA is not? Bob drobbs (talk) 17:48, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Stating that it affects only America is very clearly against WP:ITNCDONT, however I do agree that this seems to be not significant enough for ITN. Xtnova (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

April 13

April 13, 2025 (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - 2025 Sumy airstrike
    - During Palm Sunday, two Russian Iskander-M ballistic missiles carrying cluster munitions strike the centre of Sumy, Ukraine, killing at least 35 people and wounding 117 others. (ABC News) (BBC News)
    - The Russian Defence Ministry says the strike targeted a military gathering in the city. Artem Semenikhin, the mayor of Konotop, Sumy, says regional Governor Volodymyr Artyukh planned an awards ceremony for the 117th Territorial Defense Brigade in Sumy on the same day. (AP) (The Kyiv Independent)
Gaza war
- Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip
  - Israel destroys part of the last fully functional hospital in Gaza City, the Al-Ahli Arab Baptist Hospital, which is managed by the Episcopal Church in Jerusalem. No direct casualties are reported, but one child is killed due to interrupted medical care. (BBC News) (PCHR Gaza)
Boko Haram insurgency
- Eight people are killed and a dozen others are injured after a roadside bomb suspected to be planted by Islamic extremists hits a bus on the Damboa-Maiduguri highway in Borno State, Nigeria. (AP)

Arts and culture

Expo 2025
- The opening ceremony for the 2025 World Expo is held in Osaka, Japan, which includes pavilions for 160 countries. (‘’Japan Times’’)

Disasters and accidents

Five people are killed and twelve others are injured in a fire at a hostel in Pszów, Silesian Voivodeship, Poland. (TVN24)
Six people are injured, including two critically, and twenty-four homes are damaged after a two-story house explodes in Austin, Texas, United States. (Austin American-Statesman)

Law and crime

Pennsylvania Governor's Residence fire
- The Pennsylvania Governor's Residence is targeted in an arson attack. Governor Josh Shapiro and his family are evacuated and the fire was extinguished. A suspect was later arrested and charged with attempted murder, terrorism, aggravated arson and aggravated assault against an enumerated person. (NBC News) (CTV News)
Security incidents involving Donald Trump
- An American teen follower of the Order of Nine Angles previously charged with killing his parents is also accused of plotting to assassinate U.S. president Donald Trump. (NBC News)
At least 46 people are injured and treated at the scene and one person is hospitalized when a tear gas canister leaks at Miniatur Wunderland in Hamburg, Germany. The perpetrator behind the leak is unidentified. (DW)
Two people are killed and nine others are injured in a mass shooting at a park in Conway, Arkansas, United States. (AP)

Politics and elections

2025 Gabonese presidential election
- Gabonese military leader Brice Oligui Nguema wins the presidential election with more than 90% of the vote as an independent politician. (BBC News)
2025 Ecuadorian general election
- Incumbent Ecuadorian president Daniel Noboa wins re-election for a full term in a rematch against Citizen Revolution Movement candidate and former assemblywoman Luisa González. (CNN)

(READY) RD: Paddy Higson

Article: Paddy Higson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times The Independent]
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish producer dubbed the mother of the Scottish film industry Drchriswilliams (talk) 23:14, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: So many single-sentence paragraphs. Can the prose be better organized? (Am I nitpicking?) --PFHLai (talk) 13:39, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Well-cited and I cannot find any prose issues either. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:21, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks good to go. Marking ready. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support @Admins willing to post ITN: The organization, details & references are good enough to post Higson’s article. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:27, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Boat Race

Article: The Boat Race 2025 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Cambridge University wins the men's and women's events of The Boat Race. (Post)
News source(s): [25], [26]
Credits:

Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
Created by MIDI (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Happily888 (talk) 12:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - article doesnt come close to being worthy, forgetting the fact that the event also barely registers as news. nableezy - 14:45, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not the top level of rowing. This is an amateur event only open to students at two universities, and only of interest to members & alumni of those institutions. The article is very brief and tells us little more than the proposed blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 15:45, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, it is some boat race between two universities, not important.

History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as not being a top-level event, despite its (largely class-based) historical prestige. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note The Boat Race was ITN/R until 2 years ago (removed from ITN/R in Feb 2023). But that does not affect whether this edition of TBR is notable or not. Natg 19 (talk) 18:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It has been the case for a few years now that the only non-top-tier sports events that are allowed to appear at ITN are American college sports. Apparently it has been something called "consensus" to remove any other type of similar sport. Black Kite (talk) 18:48, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Torn, between it being out-dated elitist nonsense and it being an essential part of British culture. Nice legs, shame about the face. It does get nationwide TV coverage. Glass of Pimm's, anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my goodness, I need to try one of those. Cucumber sandwich? Sounds disgusting and good at the same time. Anyways, oppose as college rivalries typically aren't posted. E_F⁵ 19:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. One of the world's premier sporting events. If you're not an Olympian, you won't make the team. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:58, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, not notable enough

Kowal2701 (talk) 21:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support because this would be instaposted if the event was in the US. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 21:34, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, it wouldn't, the best equivalent I can think of is a race between the Harvard and Yale rowing teams, the Harvard–Yale Regatta. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, also on The Thames, but without the sewage: (this year's highlight: a 10-minute delay for a floating log) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's a nearly 200 year old competition and is unprecedented with very little to compare it to. We also post The Ashes and that is mostly a historical cup event with only two teams, and doesn'teven involve the part of the world where the sport is the most popular. We also post the Six Nations Championship and that is also limited to six teams. As for the argument that this is an outdated elitist event; the top five major sport's leagues in North America has no promotion or relegation, and the Champions League in football is contested by a small handful of petro-state or huge investment fund owned teams using squads of assembled very expensive mercenaries. I don't see how this is any more elitist. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:23, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Ashes and the Six Nations are international tournaments, the boat race doesn't belong in the same sentence as the NFL and Champions League. It's an amateur event, the universities don't even have sports scholarships. Kowal2701 (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that is correct; maybe not in the American form, but sports scholarships are available. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Boat Race#Academic status says sports scholarships at Cambridge are only available to people who meet academic requirements, so yeah not in the American form Kowal2701 (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The participants contain Olympians and world-championship level athletes though. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:51, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We could say the same for charity games like Soccer Aid Kowal2701 (talk) 20:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Think with the boat race it’s its cultural significance which makes it notable. But it’s only really upper class and ex-Oxbridge people who care about it, whereas the champions league etc. enjoy popular support from the masses Kowal2701 (talk) 20:58, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the American movies, the elite athletes are portrayed as numbskulls, but when I talk to them, I get this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:26, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think we take too narrow a view of what ought to be permitted on ITN. The Boat Race is non-trivial news and is worthy of making the front page. Furthermore, while brief, the article is acceptable quality for the front page. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:53, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Too narrow, too niche, too local. Compare this to say, World Baseball Classic, or FIFA World Cup, or even the Japan Series for something from a single country. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:12, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – I'm a big fan of rowing. New Zealand is pretty keen on rowing (after all, it is our best-performing Olympic sport measured by gold medals won). I've never seen any reporting on The Boat Race in New Zealand, though. If it's not reported on in a country where rowing is a prominent sport, that is an indication that this particular race doesn't have a world-wide impact. Schwede 66 00:36, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jean Marsh

Article: Jean Marsh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by BilboBeggins (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English actress, best known for international audiences for role in Willow, which starred Val Kilmer, who has also coincidentally died recently. BilboBeggins (talk) 09:01, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support To me, she's best known for her role as Rose in Upstairs, Downstairs and it's interesting to find that she was the originator of the series. And that it was first broadcast over 50 years ago. And that she was married to Jon Pertwee. And more.

The article is not perfect but it's good enough for RD as readers have already visited in large numbers – a bit more than Mario Vargas Llosa, who seems to be getting all the attention here. Seems like a subject that Martinevans123 might like.

Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alas I've always a been a bit between floors, but I'll try and have a look, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:56, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

refs are needed, especially for films - perhaps separate that part of the article --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added entries for her TV and theatre debuts which were missing but mentioned in the NYT obituary. As she was quite active for 70+ years, documenting every single role in detail seems like hard work. Best to focus on such key omissions. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I remember her. She was in that episode of The Twilight Zone where the guy was imprisoned on an asteroid. Still some unreferenced stuff. Suggest just deleting it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Filmography table and the tables after that are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I asked at the Talk page is they could be moved to their own article. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At the current 1147 words, the page is not WP:TOOBIG. Moreover, we generally don't sweep out potentially verifiable info merely to expedite ITN. It would be expected that such a split would still be sourced for ITN purposes. —Bagumba (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. Feel free to add some sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:20, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Gabonese presidential election

Article: 2025 Gabonese presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Incumbent Brice Oligui Nguema (pictured) is elected as president of Gabon, ending his transitional government. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Military dictator of Gabon, Brice Oligui Nguema (pictured), is declared the winner of the 2025 presidential election.
News source(s): BBC News AP
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

ArionStar (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait for update with results. Scuba 04:46, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait Some sections like "conduct" are incomplete as there are allegations of irregularities. Bremps... 05:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per France24 ([27]), International observers at polling stations across the country did not notice any major incidents, according to first reports, indicating this election was indeed likely free and fair. I am adding this into the article. I do not know if the claims of fraud are WP:DUE; no one else other than that candidate (who was an official of the former dictatorship) seem to be saying this. Curbon7 (talk) 07:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah buddy I don't care what the former colonial overlord of Gabon says, if the military junta announces the military dictator won with 90+% of the vote I'm going to be skeptical like the BBC.

Also, in this CNN article it says Bilie-By-Nze, the guy in 2nd place, said the election was unfair, which is enough for me to think this blurb warrants a 'declared winner' instead of a 'winner' as with other less than legitimate elections Scuba 15:37, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You’re underestimating how unpopular the Bongos were. By your logic, we would’ve characterised the 2020 US election as unfair. Kowal2701 (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzalez, the 2nd lady, said the election below as unfair, so, by the logic… ArionStar (talk) 18:09, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Election monitors at the Citizens Observers Network (ROC) said they were denied access to several voting offices, but Oligui Nguema insisted the election had been "transparent" and "peaceful."

"There were complaints of instances of irregularities in the process, however. At some polling stations the vote was delayed, while some voters on the electoral roll were not able to find where they were meant to cast their ballot. Bilie-by-Nze said he was particularly concerned by claims that in some places unmarked ballot papers were not kept in a secure location, and that he feared they could be used to stuff ballot boxes." - BBC Bremps... 18:43, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A quick google search for "Citizens Observers Network" returns just the "Youth Citizens Observers Network" a group of Sudanese youths who wanted to observe the Next Sudanese general election but that's been put on hold due to the civil war and their website doesn't appear to be updated since 2019... with no mention of Gabon.

It's safe to say that the "Citizens Observers Network" is a local group. If you believe what they say good for you, but also note that local Russian observers said that Putin really did just win 88.48% of the vote because he is just that popular. Scuba 01:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

okay? Scuba 01:03, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb 1, article’s of surprisingly good quality. Well done guys

Kowal2701 (talk) 09:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment', should the fact that these were the first elections since the coup be added? History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:17, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The blurb would become too long, since the ITN's tendency is to post as short as possible. ArionStar (talk) 18:36, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready. There's no results table, only a brief sentence with the headline numbers. The 'aftermath' section is a single sentence. The article needs the full results and multiple paragraphs of referenced prose describing the outcome. Modest Genius ^talk 19:09, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I need to stop looking at articles on mobile, it makes them look much longer Kowal2701 (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready, but when it's ready it's a good article to run. For the blurb, I do not know how one can objectively quantify "dictator" (since as a term it can be debated endlessly who is and who is not one) and the article on Nguema doesn't contain the word once. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ecuadorian general election

Article: 2025 Ecuadorian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Daniel Noboa (pictured) is re-elected as president of Ecuador. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Daniel Noboa (pictured) is re-elected as president of Ecuador, while the RC-RETO coalition wins a narrow plurality in the National Assembly.
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
Created by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), Philosopher Spock (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Jeffrey34555 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:07, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb Significant election. --Plumber (talk) 05:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurb Article in good shape and significant election. Supporting alt blurb since it covers the victors of both the presidential and parliamentary elections. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:48, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Needs work I looked through this and first noticed a tense issue. Then I read "A three-day ban on alcohol was imposed beginning on 7 February, with 20 people subsequently being arrested for violating it." This sounded unusual but the citation was quite inadequate. And, looking into it, I find that such a ley seca is normal in South America at election time[28] which the article doesn't explain. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:08, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: Removed the alcohol ban since it's common and not really significant to the election. Can you specify the tense issue with examples? I already brushed up on some. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:11, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Examples include "The 2025 election follows an early election ..."; "The following pre-candidates have also been selected in the primaries of the national parties and are eligible for inscription..."; "The following notable individuals have been the subject of speculation about their possible candidacy ...";"After approval, three days have been given for political organizations to file appeals...". They are not major but seem typical of the tense issues which arise for an article which is built up while the election is ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: Fixed! :) TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:46, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

support with caveat it is ITNR, however need to add the controversy o re-count and his emergency declaration the day before. This is NOT a legit result.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article is somewhat confusingly organised - I would have preferred to see the first round results & reaction first, then the runoff results & reaction, rather than mixing them together. The National Assembly elections are included in the same article but get far less prose than the presidential one. Still, there's plenty of prose, the results table is complete, and the article has plenty of references. This meets our quality requirements and is on ITNR. Modest Genius ^talk 19:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support ITN/R and ready. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.92.81 (talk) 22:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ 2025 Ecuadorian general election § Results lacks prose on second round results—it's only in the table (and lead).—Bagumba (talk) 04:22, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strike oppose based on update mentioned below.—Bagumba (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re: "Aftermath" Wikipedia continues the NPOV misnomer of "Aftermath"-titled sections (Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) § "Aftermath" sections)—Bagumba (talk) 04:29, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So would it be best to remove the section all together / merge some of that info over to the result section? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Man, I've used "Aftermath" in articles I've written. The discussion you've linked to didn't actually present alternatives. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That’s why I’m a little confused. The info in the aftermath section is relevant and properly sourced. I personally don’t see an issue since it talks about the impacts/reactions the election has. Maybe some info could be moved over to the results section and maybe some subheadings can be made to actual headings? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is purely the section title, "Aftermath", which refers to the period following a negative event i.e. implying the result and winner are bad. Fine for earthquakes, not so much for (fair) elections.—Bagumba (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see, but to be fair the 2024 US presidential election & 2024 UK general election have aftermath sections. It appears to be common for some election articles. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:23, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERSTUFFGENERAL? —Bagumba (talk) 02:00, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion you've linked to didn't actually present alternatives: Suggestions there have included Afterwards, Impact, Effect and Aftereffects. —Bagumba (talk) 05:56, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I've removed "Ready" from the heading. There are some issues being brought up here that ought to be sorted first (and I don't count "Aftermath" in that). Schwede 66 05:25, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: & @Bagumba:: Added more info in results section regarding second round. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:10, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 05:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Mario Vargas Llosa

Article: Mario Vargas Llosa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Peruvian writer and Nobel Prize in Literature laureate Mario Vargas Llosa (pictured) dies at the age of 89. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Peruvian writer Mario Vargas Llosa (pictured), winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, dies aged 89.
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
Updated by Carlstak (talk · give credit), Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit), Moscow Mule (talk · give credit) and Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:34, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated as blurb per above. One of the greatest recent writers. ArionStar (talk) 01:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — I did not blurb this RD. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:23, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb A giant in his field with worldwide impact. Ornithoptera (talk) 04:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Influencing in several fields. Article is comprehensive and in good condition. Yakikaki (talk) 05:43, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Obviously newsworthy given Vargas Llosa's status. --Plumber (talk) 05:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Newsworthy and figure was at the top of his field. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:40, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready: Various gongs require citations, books need ISBNs... But support blurb when referencing complete. Moscow Mule (talk) 07:04, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb One of the great writers of Latin American and world literature.Jaguarnik (talk) 07:06, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Relevant factors here include:

The article is level 4 vital
It's a former featured article. See the review for criticisms
The Nobel Prize for Literature is often controversial – see Nobel_Prize_controversies#2010.
I'd like to see some evidence that our readership is actually looking for this subject rather than Jean Marsh, say. It's not there yet.

Andrew🐉(talk) 09:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two, yes, it's not a featured article. So? There is a bar of quality to appear in ITN, but it's not that high. Three, have you actually read the reference? The so-called "controversy" is that he should have received the prize a long time earlier, but the comitee was reluctant to award him precisely because of his political positions. "The 2010 prize awarded to Peruvian writer Mario Vargas Llosa stirred controversy, mainly due to his right-wing political views" is a highly misleading way to phrase it, as it suggests that the controversy was in awarding a right-wing writer and not the opposite thing. Four, really? Do you really want us to compare the significance of Vargas Llosa vs. Jean Marsh? Cambalachero (talk) 13:36, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On point 4: Once again, Andrew - our own reader numbers are not a reliable source for anything, nor any sort of criterion for use in this or any other editorial discussion. Your frequent use of them is disruptive and misleading. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:30, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GenevieveDEon: Just a reminder that the user in question is topic banned from deletion-related activities for similar behavior. [29] BangJan1999 20:48, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, ~~not ready yet (the honours section needs more references)~~. Alexcalamaro (talk) 12:45, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb, article ready, a relevant person in his field as shown in the impact section. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb on notabilitu. Absolutely transformative. I'd like to note he was actively writing and participating in conferences and politics as recdntly as two or three years ago. Sincerely, Dilettante 15:21, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb as per others. Major writer of the 20th and early 21st century. Khuft (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb, noting that the honours section is now fully referenced. –FlyingAce^✈hello 21:38, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - Nobel Prize winner, pretty important writer. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 22:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
RD only - doesn't quite rise to the household name status worthy of a blurb. Influential in literature, but not a transformative figure on, say, a Thatcher/Mandela level. 1779Days (talk) 04:17, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - top of his field. Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 09:07, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - hugely important figure in world literature, and the sourcing looks OK now. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 13:32, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, the selected works needs sourcing even if that means repeating sources in body or linking isbn numbers. But otherwise Support blurb once ready, as impact as a major figure figure is very much documented in this article. Masem (t) 13:39, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb One of the most important people in modern Peru and Latin America for both his writing and political activities. I think he is just as important as his opponent Alberto Fujimori, whose death we blurbed a few months ago. --Spec tral Ion 18:26, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: there's a clear consensus for a blurb, though I won't !vote on that issue. The article has been updated, with a referenced section about his death, and seems to be in good shape. The works section now has linked ISBNs, which are sufficient for verification. I don't see any issues that would prevent posting now. I've added an altblurb that puts the same information in what I think is a more intuitive order. Marking as ready. Modest Genius ^talk 19:13, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: article seems ready. No preference between blurb and altblurb. Definitely worthy of a blurb. Bait30 ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 01:31, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted original blurb. Schwede 66 03:48, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tommy Helms

Article: Tommy Helms (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [30]
Credits:

Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Fully referenced, good depth of coverage. Spencer^T•C 00:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:52, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Masters

Article: 2025 Masters Tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  In golf, Rory McIlroy (pictured) wins the Masters Tournament. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  Rory McIlroy (pictured) wins the Masters Tournament, becoming the sixth golfer to complete a career grand slam.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Nominated by RockinJack18 (talk · give credit)
Updated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit), Ktkvtsh (talk · give credit) and Johnsmith2116 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR, first master's win for McIlroy - RockinJack18 23:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. 11 years in the making, big tournament, well publicized. 24.77.127.72 (talk) 23:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ktkvtsh (talk) 23:56, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support (Alt Blurb) Its close enough now that its probably passable for ITN. And I'd prefer the alt since a career grand slam is a very rare feat in not just golf, in many sports.TheCorriynial (talk) 00:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note Thanks to @NorthernFalcon for adding the alt blurb, the fact it's a grand slam is absolutely significant. - RockinJack18 01:44, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support per WP:ITN/R and notability of the achievement. This is the sixth person to ever achieve a career grand slam, and McIlroy is a noted golfer. Ahuman00 (talk) 07:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:14, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready. Article quality has often been an impediment to ITN posting golf items and this instance is no exception. The 'final round' section has just two citations for 700 words of prose, which is nowhere near sufficient. The 'criteria' section is a huge wall of bullet points, with excessive detail. I've tagged both. I'd also like to see some reaction to the result. The topic is certainly notable - it's on ITNR so isn't necessary to discuss. The alt1 blurb is good. However the article needs work to meet our quality requirements before we could post. Modest Genius ^talk 12:56, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality as per Modest Genius. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:43, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality Unfortunately, I have to shamelessly recycle the same pun I used when I opposed the 2024 masters last year: prohibitive quality issues are par for the course with golf articles at ITN. Similarly to the reasons that tanked last year's nomination, the "Field" section is oddly formatted and unintelligible to a layman reader, and there are CN issues throughout... Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 04:52, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality: still poorly cited for the length of the section on the final round, several orange tags to fix. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 17:55, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kyren Lacy

Article: Kyren Lacy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominated by Nottheking (talk · give credit)
Updated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit) and Afrowriter (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player, dead a few days before a scheduled court appearance. Saw this in mainstream American news, and article already appears to be in good shape. Nottheking (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - looks sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 23:16, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Tragic and well known in the college football, and was soon to be NFL community. 24.77.127.72 (talk) 23:47, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced date and place of birth. Schwede 66 03:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, thanks. Left guide (talk) 06:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Marked as ready: the only concern raised has been resolved, with no other opposition expressed. Left guide (talk) 05:46, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can the single-sentence intro be beefed up a bit? Would {{lead too short}} apply? --PFHLai (talk) 16:08, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At a minimum, perhaps mention the All-SEC selection that's in the infobox, a fact that is also unmentioned and unsourced in the body. —Bagumba (talk) 08:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 12

Portal:Current events/2025 April 12

April 12, 2025 (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Sudanese Civil War
- Siege of El Fasher
  - Zamzam and Abu Shouk refugee camp massacres
    - At least 100 people, including 20 children, are killed in Rapid Support Forces attacks on Al-Fashir and two nearby displacement camps in North Darfur, Sudan, according to the United Nations. (Hindustan Times)
Gaza war
- Rafah offensive
  - The Israel Defense Forces announces the completion of the Morag Corridor, completely cutting off the city of Rafah from the rest of the Gaza Strip and effectively turning it into an Israeli security zone. (Al Jazeera)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- A Ukrainian Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon is shot down by a S-400 missile during combat operations against Russian forces, with the pilot killed in action. (Ukrinform) (Defense Mirror)
Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency
- Eight Pakistani citizens are killed in a mass shooting by Baloch Nationalist Army gunmen in Mehrestan, Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran. (Al Jazeera)
Three prison officers sustain life-threatening injuries in a mass stabbing and burn attack when Hashem Abedi, the brother of Islamic terrorist Salman Abedi, the perpetrator of the Manchester Arena bombing in 2017, attacks prison officers at HM Prison Frankland in County Durham, England, with hot cooking oil and shivs. (BBC News)

Business and economy

Tariffs in the second Trump administration
- China–United States trade war
  - U.S. president Donald Trump's administration exempts smartphones and computers from all "reciprocal" tariffs, including the base 10% on all countries and the 125% levies imposed on Chinese imports. White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller states that a separate 20% tariff on Chinese imports remains in effect for the products. (BBC News)
Steel Industry (Special Measures) Act 2025
- The British government passes emergency legislation to control some management decisions at British Steel in order to prevent the closure of the Jingye Group-owned Scunthorpe Steelworks. (BBC News)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Copake plane crash
- A Mitsubishi MU-2B aircraft en route from Westchester County Airport to Columbia County Airport crashes into a field in Copake, New York, United States, killing all six occupants onboard. (NBC News)

International relations

Iran–United States relations
- Iran and the United States, represented by foreign minister Abbas Araghchi and special envoy Steve Witkoff, hold their first round of indirect talks in Muscat, Oman, and agree to continue the negotiations. (The Jerusalem Post)

RD: Nicky Katt

Article: Nicky Katt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Nominated by BilboBeggins (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor. Was in films by Richard Linklater, Robert Rodriguez, Tarantino, Nolan, Soderbergh. Had many star billing roles, appeared in some well known films. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Filmography section needs additional sources. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 15:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "REF." column in the Filmography tables look rather empty. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:02, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pilita Corrales

Article: Pilita Corrales (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABS-CBN
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:4481:9051:9C0D:65EB (talk · give credit)
Updated by TofuMuncher (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino singer and actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:4481:9051:9C0D:65EB (talk) 04:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for the moment. Needs a lot of work; almost entirely uncited biography, discography, and filmography. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:08, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now Several cn tags remain. Vida0007 (talk) 01:57, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
10+ {cn} tags remaining. Filmography and Discography sections are still largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 11

Portal:Current events/2025 April 11

April 11, 2025 (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Gaza war
- Gaza Strip evacuations
  - Indonesia indicates that it is ready to temporarily accept the "first wave" of around 1,000 Palestinian evacuees from the Gaza Strip until conditions improve. (Haaretz) (Tempo)
Terrorism in Greece
- A bomb explodes outside the offices of Greece's main railway company Hellenic Train in Athens, Greece. No casualties were reported. (CTV News)

Business and economy

Tariffs in the second Trump administration
- China–United States trade war
  - China increases its tariffs on U.S. imports from 84% to 125% in response to U.S. duties on Chinese goods of 145%. (Reuters)
  - China states that it will not respond to any further U.S. tariff increases, as U.S. goods have already been priced out of the Chinese market by existing tariffs, but may still impose other economic measures. (CNBC)

Disasters and accidents

A Cessna 310 crashes into Interstate 95 near Boca Raton Airport in Boca Raton, Florida, United States, killing all three occupants of the plane and injuring one other on the ground. (NBC News) (Boca News Now)
Three people are killed when a Mooney M20 crashes in the Cherokee National Forest near Reliance, Tennessee, United States. The Federal Aviation Authority and National Transportation Safety Board are currently investigating the crash. (WRCB)

International relations

Panama–United States relations
- An agreement is signed by top security officials from Panama and the U.S. allowing U.S. military personnel to deploy to Panama-controlled facilities. (France24)
Russia–United States relations
- The U.S. president's special envoy Steve Witkoff meets with Russian president Vladimir Putin to discuss settlement options for the Russo-Ukrainian war and a potential meeting between Donald Trump and Putin. (CBS News)
Immigration policy of the second Donald Trump administration
- The U.S. terminates the temporary protected status of Afghan and Cameroonian nationals. (BBC)

Law and crime

Illegal immigration to the United States
- Twenty-six-year-old Yaquelin Dominguez-Nieves is sentenced to seven and a half years imprisonment for her part in a people smuggling operation that killed 16 and injured two Cuban undocumented migrants in a shipwreck in South Florida, United States, on November 16, 2024. (CTV News)
Immigration to Italy
- The Italian government sends 40 asylum seekers to an internment camp in Albania after their asylum applications were rejected, preparing them to be deported. Migrants can be held for a maximum of 18 months under Italian law. (DW)
Capital punishment in the United States
- American spree killer Mikal Mahdi, who killed three people, including an off-duty police officer, in July 2004, is executed by firing squad at the Broad River Correctional Institution in Columbia, South Carolina. (NBC News)

(Posted) RD: Mikal Mahdi

Article: Mikal Mahdi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (NBC News)
Credits:

Nominated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spree killer and the fifth criminal to be executed by firing squad in the United States. We posted Brad Sigmon's so I thought to nominate this. Bloxzge 025 ツ (Talk) 10:36, 11 April 2025 (EDT)

Support - Fully sourced and updated.BabbaQ (talk) 06:35, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good article. American executions have gained coverage outside the country. ArionStar (talk) 12:40, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per both BabbaQ and ArionStarShaneapickle (talk) 19:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is in good shape. –DMartin 05:08, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Tariffs in the second Trump administration or 2025 stock market crash

Neither of the two topics has consensus for posting. There is consensus to not post the tariffs. Schwede 66 23:22, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Articles: Tariffs in the second Trump administration (talk · history · tag) and 2025 stock market crash (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Or China–United States trade war. Obviously in the news everytime. ArionStar (talk) 04:10, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose tariffs & trade war - IMO, those should be posted ITN when new tariffs/major developments occur. Support stock market crash in principle, however, the stock market is very volatile, as seen with the massive gain yesterday, so considerations need to be taken into account. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 05:28, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I believe the quality of all the articles looks good enough to be posted. WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 05:29, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There seem to be new tariffs and developments every day. Yesterday, there was another round of tit-for-tat taking the US / China tariffs to 145% / 125% which are crazy levels. And there's now a serious court challenge to the unconstitutional basis of the Trump tariffs by the New Civil Liberties Alliance and others. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support The main challenge here is selecting a single topic. I reckon that this is so impactful and important that it should be handled as we did the pandemic – using {{In the news/special-header}} to list multiple articles. Here's how that looked:

COVID-19 pandemic: Disease; Virus; By location; Impact; Vaccines; Portal

Andrew🐉(talk) 07:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

COVID affected all readers and editors equally so it made sense to actually dedicate a section to that on ITN. The trade war has far more disparate effects (currently affecting US and Chinese the most, with less significant effects in other countries), and being still about politics, makes zero sense to give it that much focus. Masem (t) 11:33, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

COVID did not affect everyone equally. Some people died; many people didn't even know they had it; and there was a big spectrum in between. The tariffs and trade wars will have disparate effects too but such uncertainty and volatility is the essence of Ongoing entries. We don't know yet how the Ukraine war is going to end or when. And the same goes for the other campaigns and conflicts. That's why they are Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:50, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support China-US trade war, oppose the others. Ideally we’d have a broad article on this whole affair, the Trump tariffs one doesn’t include responses within its scope and mostly focuses on the US side of things. Stock market crash is a non-starter. Obv a trade war between the two global powers is significant enough, and the article is being updated enough for ongoing. Imo all escalations are blurb worthy so it makes sense Kowal2701 (talk) 09:12, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Tariffs in the second Trump administration but oppose US-China trade war: even if - and it's a big if - the original intent by the administration was to tailor the tariffs to contain China, its effects have clearly spilled over to affect the rest of the world. Nghtcmdr (talk) 10:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose at the current time Too soon right now to know how much these are going to be in the news on a near daily basis with the level of worldwide coverage. I'd rather like to see what happens over the weekend and how things are still being covered Monday to know if this going to be kept as an ongoing story by the media. If they just accept the high tariffs between the US and China and move on to other stories, it doesn't make sense to have as ongoing. That tends to be a problem with stories that are strictly political in nature is the volatility of how the stories move and how they are covered that make it really hard to nail why we should feature them at ongoing. Masem (t) 11:39, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. It’s different to military conflicts in that we can expect those to carry on for a while once started and get continuous coverage, whereas this could just be a flash in a pan. This episode may just be a farce like the Chinese spokesperson said, but the trade war’s been going on for much longer and has gotten a lot of coverage Kowal2701 (talk) 12:12, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd just like to have an idea of what we can anticipate the end game may be here. I know China's just bumped up the tariffs to the US again last night, but I have no idea what the end game may be here, whereas most other ongoings we have a good idea what the end conditions would be needed to remove it (just no idea on timing). I'd just like to know what clarity we can actually state, and with how haphazard that this is, its really hard to say. Masem (t) 13:20, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I agree that the event shouldn't be listed as ongoing just because the news cycle doesn't include the trade/tariff war between the US and China. Trump has implemented a 10% universal tariff on goods from other countries and has also put in separate tariffs against Canada and Mexico. That's the other part of the tariff story and so long as that is in the news cycle, I think the event should be listed as ongoing. As to what the "endgame" is, there seems to be consensus among outside commentators that Trump is using these tariffs as a tactic to negotiate/re-negotiate trade deals with other countries. If those come to a successful conclusion, the "game" at least according to Trump will have been won and I think that would be our cue to de-list the event from the bulletin (assuming we had agreed to include the event on it). Nghtcmdr (talk) 15:37, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If all that happens now is that everyone accepts the 10% globally and the tariffs between the US and China remain at these levels, such that discussion about the tariffs still are in the news but not to the level that they were when Trump first announced them, that doesn't make for a good ongoing story since little is actually changing. I don't know if that's what will happen, which is why I am suggesting waiting a few more days to see how this goes, and if its better just to do normal ITNC on key updates or if ongoing really makes sense. Masem (t) 16:38, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The tariffs between China and US can't really stay on these levels for long (145% and 125%), however. It amounts to a complete collapse of trade between the world's two largest economies. Stock markets are currently pricing in a climb-down of some sort. Should that not materialise soon, things could get quite ugly... Khuft (talk) 19:57, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think there could be a middle ground which we can occupy where we say the continuation of the US-China trade war no longer merits ITN inclusion, but only on the condition that America concludes trade deals with its other major trading partners. I don't have a problem waiting with you for the next few days to see how things develop, but I doubt Trump and his team would be able to bring those trade negotiations to a close within that timeframe. Nghtcmdr (talk) 23:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This (these?) should be blurbed and reassessed when they fall off for ongoing. This is putting the cart before the horse. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:23, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The primary nominated article – Tariffs in the second Trump administration – has just fallen off the bottom of the blurb ticker and so already satisfies this requirement. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support. In contrast to the previous proposal for a sweeping "Trump Presidency" ongoing post, I think this has more merit. I would support the "Tariffs in the second Trump presidency" article rather than the US-China trade war - for the simple reason that tariffs against the rest of the world are still in place (at 10% currently) but are due to rise in 90 days back to their initial levels if negotiations don't come to acceptable conclusions. Oppose the Stock market article for ongoing - the real action is on the bond market, not the stock market. The tariffs article's title is quite a mouthful, though - would prefer a shorter title for Ongoing. Khuft (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I opposed the related below nomination of the second Trump presidency generally, but I think the tariffs meet the WP:ONGOING requirements: it is a continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news. The initial Canada/Mexico tariffs, the EU tariffs, the Liberation day tariff announcement, the escalating trade war with China, and the stock crash were all distinct events that are each independently newsworthy, but can be best covered by ongoing (we did in fact post two of the four). I have no doubt that the tariffs will continue to be frequently in the news, continuing that trend. I also support the more succinct Trump tariffs title (currently a redirect to the nominated article) for the ongoing section. Flip^and Flopped ㋡ 19:20, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update The latest news is that Trump exempts smartphones and computers from new tariffs. The trouble with this is that "Everything is computer" now, to coin a phrase, and so that's a big exemption. Anyway, it further illustrates the ongoing nature of these policies... Andrew🐉(talk) 23:21, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The recent days are empty and only focused on the trade war… Nothing's in the news… ArionStar (talk) 02:14, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There has been significantly other coverage, such as the deportation case. However, that's why we are not a news ticker, we should not be reflecting what the news prioritizes on day to day bases. Masem (t) 03:31, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The tariffs affect hundreds of billions of bilateral trade annually. That's larger than the market capitalization of McDonalds. I have a hard time imagining this won't be in the news for much longer, unless the tariffs are lifted. Banedon (talk) 04:15, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I suggested waiting until after the weekend to see how the markets respond to these changes and if the tariffs still remain there. That Trump backed off for 90 days on the rest of the world makes it difficult to judge how to treat this now. Masem (t) 04:28, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To add, if it is the case that the Chinese tariffs still exist and the market remains depressed, that's not really necessarily generating news on a near-daily basis that we'd want to see for ongoing; we did post the tariff news when they we first announced. Masem (t) 04:31, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The markets have already responded, in fact they've been responding ever since Liberation Day. You can see this from the stock market crash article; the crash began on April 2. Banedon (talk) 15:14, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The markets have been volatile, with a major drop on the first day the tariffs came in play, but whether the trend over multiple days continues a harsh downward trend is not yet clear. Masem (t) 15:23, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure stock markets should now be our guide to post thing to ITN (or Ongoing). As mentioned above, the impact on the bond markets might be more significant long term. The fact is that for two weeks now, tariffs have been in the news every single day - just as the Ukraine war was (and mostly still is). Khuft (talk) 17:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. The market crashed several days in a row, marking the biggest 1-week crash since Covid (in 2020), so I don't understand what you mean about whether there'll be a trend "over multiple days". Banedon (talk) 00:32, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support China-US trade war. The others could've been reasonable a week ago, but not at this point. Banedon (talk) 02:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Seems unnecessary. No prejudice in relisting if they start shooting hostages. Nfitz (talk) 06:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FYI How Trump’s Stock Market Chaos Is Dividing Wikipedia Andrew🐉(talk) 11:40, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That article captures the problem we have broadly with NOTNEWS (and how it reflects at ITN) that editors are not thinking about how to write for the long-term and writing in too much detail about the present. Masem (t) 15:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And it's harder to find references for older topics but there's just so much 'news' about contemporary things. Secretlondon (talk) 18:17, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"dividing" it was SNOWclosed lol WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 15:54, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

strong oppose it was just closed below.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:31, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support This has been spawning various global headlines over the last month at least. Affects multiple countries. Xtnova (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Admins willing to post ITN: admin needed to determine whether consensus exists or not. Natg 19 (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:24, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Admins willing to post ITN: second ping before it rolls off. Natg 19 (talk) 22:11, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2025 Varanasi gang rape

No consensus to post, and would now be stale anyway. Black Kite (talk) 11:21, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2025 Varanasi gang rape (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  India grapples with news of a gang rape as Prime Minister Modi orders a strict response. (Post)
Alternative blurb:  A 19-year old woman in India reports a harrowing sexual assault, igniting a national reaction.
News source(s): Press Trust of India (8 April 2025). "19-year-old allegedly gang-raped by 23 people over six days, six arrested". The Hindu. Archived from the original on 13 April 2025.
Credits:

Nominated by Bluerasberry (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: crime was 29 March - 3 April. Reported 6 April. Prime Minister Modi responded 11 April, triggering national discussion Bluerasberry (talk) 18:18, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Gang rapes in India, unfortunately, are commonplace and, consequently, political debates take place, sometimes at the state level. Beyond Modi's pronouncement, it does not appear to be of any further consequence. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article has a list of accused contrary to WP:PERP. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: Perhaps it is against a rule somewhere, but naming the accused does not seem to be part of the rule you linked. If anyone can show relevant guidance then I will edit the article to conform. Bluerasberry (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For that specific rule see WP:SUSPECT, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations, arrests and charges do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures—that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures—editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime." See also Trial by media and sub judice, which has been a big deal lately in the ANI case. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:43, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Yes that's it! Thanks. Bluerasberry (talk) 11:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As noted, gang rapes are far too common in India, comparable to gun violence in the US. Not the type of event we cover at ITN, barring a significant govt response to take steps to actually stop it. Masem (t) 21:32, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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April 10

Portal:Current events/2025 April 10

April 10, 2025 (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Syrian civil war
- Western Syria clashes
  - 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites
    - The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reports a marked re-escalation of extrajudicial killings of civilians in Alawite-dominated coastal Syrian regions, with sixteen civilians executed in 72 hours. Several civilian homes in Tartus Governorate are seized by government-affiliated forces. (SOHR) (SOHR 2)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
- War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - A video leaked by Ukrainian officials and verified by the Associated Press shows Russian soldiers summarily executing four Ukrainian prisoners of war last month in Piatykhatky, Zaporizhzhia Oblast. (AP)
Papua conflict
- Seventeen people are killed by West Papua National Liberation Army (TPNPB) militants in Yahukimo Regency, Highland Papua, Indonesia. The TPNPB alleges that they attacked Indonesian Army soldiers disguised as gold miners, while the Indonesian government rejects the claim. (AP)

Business and economy

Tariffs in the second Trump administration
- China–United States trade war
  - The White House clarifies the tariff rate on China, stating that a 145% tariff on all imports to the United States is in effect. The 20% addition came from China's alleged role in supplying synthetic opioids, including fentanyl, to the United States. (The New York Times)
- The European Union announces a 90-day pause on counter measures against the U.S. tariffs on European goods. (BBC News)
Land reform in Zimbabwe
- Zimbabwe begins issuing the first financial compensation payments to White Zimbabwean farmers whose farms were seized by Robert Mugabe's government between 2000 and 2002. A total of 740 farmers will be compensated as per the 2020 agreement with the Commercial Farmers' Union. (BBC News)
The United Kingdom's Cabinet Office announces it will cut around 2,100 jobs from its department, about a third of its total workforce, as part of wider government spending cuts. (BBC News)

Disasters and accidents

2025 Hudson River helicopter crash
- A Bell 206 sightseeing helicopter crashes into the Hudson River off Lower Manhattan, New York, United States, killing Siemens Spain CEO Agustín Escobar, his family of four, and the pilot. (AP) (ABC News)
Jet Set nightclub roof collapse
- The number of deaths caused by the roof collapse of the Jet Set nightclub in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, rises to 221, as rescue operations reach the end. (CTV News)

Health and environment

Hungary's Minister of the Prime Minister's Office Gergely Gulyás suggests a biological attack could be the source of a foot-and-mouth disease outbreak in the country. (Reuters)

International relations

Russia–United States relations
- A Russian-American citizen arrested in Yekaterinburg in early 2024 and a dual German-Russian citizen arrested in Cyprus in 2023 are released in a prisoner swap between Russia and the United States. (BBC News)
South Korea–Syria relations
- South Korea formally establishes diplomatic relations with Syria. (Reuters)

Law and crime

2025 Turkish protests
- The government of Turkey releases 127 people on bail, most of which are university students, after they were arrested for taking part in protests calling for the release of Istanbul mayor and opposition figure Ekrem İmamoğlu. (AP)
- Turkish police detain two journalists, one from BirGün and one from Cumhuriyet, and raid their offices, accusing them of making threats and blackmail after they reported on the arrest of İmamoğlu. Reporters Without Borders condemn the arrests as an infringement on freedom of information. (DW)

Politics and elections

Presidency of Javier Milei
- Argentines organize a 24-hour nationwide general strike against the Javier Milei administration for the third time. According to the government, this constitutes an "attack against the republic". (The Straits Times) (Yahoo News)
The German governing coalition announces it will abolish the expedited 3-year naturalization path for "integrated" immigrants who are spouses of German citizens or have completed the Integrationskurs. The path requiring 5 years of continuous residency will remain. (DW)
Brigitte Haas is sworn in as the first female Prime Minister of Liechtenstein. (Vaterland)

(Posted) RD: Leo Beenhakker

Article: Leo Beenhakker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, beIN Sports, Reuters
Credits:

Nominated by Sura Shukurlu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A well-known and successful football coach who has been the head coach of many succesful clubs, including being head coach of Real Madrid, Ajax and Feyenoord on multiple occasions. Sura Shukurlu (talk) 19:54, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article in decent shape, though Chaconia Medal, Gold Class can be sourced. RIP. Brandmeister^talk 07:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Have I read the same article as other commenters? The managerial career from 1965 to 2003, including title wins with the aforementioned clubs, is two paragraphs with no citations. Would we post Guardiola or Mourinho in such a state? The first team with a subsection is his against-all-odds qualification of Trinidad and Tobago to the 2006 World Cup, with no sources at all. There's definitely not an excuse to leave that section unsourced. I can remember a massive British press interest in that team, as most players were playing in Britain, some even born there, and they played a thoroughly commendable game against England. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Unknown Temptation, I fixed most of your concerns. History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - article is in decent shape after improvements.BabbaQ (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unreferenced date and place of birth. Schwede 66 03:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66, fixed. History6042😊 (Contact me) 13:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 20:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing Trump timeline

Consensus won’t develop. Schwede 66 20:43, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: First 100 days of the second Donald Trump presidency (talk · history · tag) and Timeline of Donald Trump's second presidency (2025 Q1) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: ITN posted Tariffs in the second Trump administration but didn't update the blurb to reflect the fallout and now it has scrolled off. The latest news is that the "reciprocal" tariffs have been put on hold because the US stock and bond markets were making people "yippy". But the China–United States trade war is still escalating. This is all quite significant and so ITN should have an entry to help readers find related articles. As each day brings some new twist or turn, it would be best to have an omnibus entry in Ongoing and I've made a couple of suggestions. They seem to need updating so maybe there's a better option. We should talk ... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:04, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a rare case where I'm going to discount NTRUMP and say weak, weak support. He's causing absolute chaos and it's not going to stop soon if Project 2025 ends up playing out. — E_F⁵ 12:27, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whether something is "chaos" or not is a point of view. ITN should be more about actual events, not our analysis of them. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:32, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that it's non-stop chaos, which equates to non-stop news coverage. Non-stop news coverage can warrant an ongoing post, as WP:ONGOING notes: The purpose of the ongoing section is to maintain a link to a continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news. — E_F⁵ 15:34, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Someone's presidency is a well-anticipated ongoing event by default, and there are currently about 150 such events in the world. What is not anticipated are decisions made by presidents that make global news because of their potential implications. So, if you suggest that we should post a specific story from Trump's presidency onto ongoing (e.g. Tariffs in the second Trump administration), you should reformulate the nomination to clearly reflect it. As for China–United States trade war, there are already peer-reviewed research papers analysing the topic (see Fajgelbaum & Khandelwal, 2022, Caliendo & Parro, 2023 and Alessandria et al., 2024), and the conclusions point out that both countries have got familiarised with the tariffs and every marginal change in that regard wouldn't cause major disturbances (by the way, US and China have been exchanging tariffs all the time since 2018, and this even intensified during Biden's presidency as noted by Alessandria et al., 2024).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:08, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? You seem to be suggesting that the 125% – 87% US/China tariffs are marginal, well-anticipated and won't cause major disturbances. That's not what I'm seeing in the news. But such trade wars are one of many initiatives. The latest executive order has just ended the "war on water pressure"! Andrew🐉(talk) 09:51, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's already a sufficient body of economic literature so one doesn't need to regress to reading news articles. However big those figures may seem, they no longer cause a black-swan effect, which was the case in 2018. Both countries simply got used to the trade war after having exchanged tariffs on numerous products. I'd say that the next story to post would be if large American companies start relocating their production from China to other countries (probably India).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:47, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A common theme of the coverage is that people were expecting a rerun of Trump's first presidency but have been surprised at how much more radical this is. We seem to be in new territory... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:NTRUMP. Didgogns (talk) 10:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Trump is just one leader among many. There's a tendency of some people to want to turn sites into 24/7 Trump tracking sites, and we should avoid that. If 2025 stock market crash continues, we may post that, but it entirely depends on how the markets play out and we don't have crystal balls. Harizotoh9 (talk) 11:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is just funny, frankly. The fact that this somehow merits its own article is truly amazing. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:13, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, this is not unique to Trump. Obama, FDR, and Biden also have dedicated articles for their first 100 days, and even outside of US politics there are articles for Rodrigo Duterte and Imran Khan. Given that Trump's first 100 days have been...eventful, to say the least, I don't think it's unreasonable at all that this article exists. Youraveragearmy (talk) 12:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note that those articles are nearly all prose while the one for Trump 2 is an excessively detailed timeline. That's a problem given we are a summary work and not meant to be written at that level of detail. Masem (t) 13:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The article is fine to me, as this is a "standard" type of article about the first 100 days of a presidency. However, it should not be added to ongoing. Natg 19 (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update This was intended to be an ongoing nomination but the syntax wasn't quite right. I've corrected it now. The general idea is that, now that the "Liberation Day" tariff item has scrolled off, we should have an ongoing entry for the ongoing consequences and developments. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:26, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, Trump is consistently on the front page of every newspaper and news website. It seems like every day he does something new, and this would cover all of it. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 12:35, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Yes, nearly everything Trump is doing makes widespread news, but this is where WP:NOT#NEWS is important - we should be working to summarize what are the important aspects, and not be drilling down into timelines at that much detail (We still have dozens of such lingering from the COVID articles that need to be fixed). Further, there's far too much issue around these types of articles being a honeypot for NPOV issues (not saying the current ones are failing NPOV but I know that as a whole, we as WP editors tend to focus on the negative aspects and thus NPOV can get out of hand). If anything, if Trump had not cancelled the tariffs, the global trade war as an ongoing would have been a more refined aspect since that has far reaching impacts as already demonstrated, but certainly not every single one of Trump's policies. Masem (t) 12:36, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support As much as I hate American-centrism, I think WP:NTRUMP is quoted too loosely here. Many actions of the second Trump administration, like shutting down USAID, the Signal chat scandal and the tariffs, have a massive impact on the rest of the world. Thousands, even millions, more people in less developed countries will die from war, disasters and diseases. A diplomatic row between the USA and multiple allies, leading to less intelligence sharing, while adversaries benefit from the leaked information. A market crash as countries scramble to negotiate with the USA and each other, companies struggle to shift their supply chains and consumers deal with higher prices. However, ITN did not blurb the first two, and there is a reasonable chance of future actions of the Trump administration causing further global chaos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.75.6.104 (talk) 13:46, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose by default any presidency is ongoing and it is USA-bias / Trump-bias to post Trump's term into ongoing. If there is something specific that should be posted, that item can be nominated individually. Natg 19 (talk) 15:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Unlike his first term, his current term is far more eventful in his 100 days than his previous term. In other words, the second term first 100 days is more eventful than the first 100 days of his first term. Rager7 (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I believe that the idea to have an "ongoing" blurb for the Trump administration is justified. It would eliminate the need for debating every action taken, as those would now be covered in ongoing. This is a relatively rare occurrence; most heads of state, including most American Presidents don't generate as many notable events as this administration has. I don't think it needs to be limited to 100 days, though, as that is an arbitrary timeline created by the American media to cover the FDR administration and which has been applied to subsequent Presidents. There's nothing particularly significant about the number 100 here. Besides, that timeline will be up at the end of the month, anyway (April 30). If things calm down, it could be potentially removed at some point, but at the rate things are going, it could be justified for the full four years. Ryan Reeder (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - We should cover the events as they happen, rather than link to these timeline articles. As things stand, these are fairly indiscriminate collections of information. They're bound to be frequently updated, but are Trump's EOs about shower heads or the Gulf of Mexico really on a level with market chaos, illegal renditions, and sweeping cuts to government departments? GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Based on the fact that we don’t need to post everything Trump says or does and this can cover all of it. — Abu Isa🤔 (talk)
Weak oppose WP:ONGOING states on the one hand that The purpose of the ongoing section is to maintain a link to a continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news (seems true here, we have Trump-related nominations here constantly), but also, generally, these are stories which may lack a blurb-worthy event, but which nonetheless are still getting regular updates to the relevant article. That second element is clearly false, as many of the Trump-related stories are blurbworthy events. The spirit of ongoing is to cover events which are notable in a general sense (like a war) and therefore receive consistent coverage, but don't have individual events capable of blurbs. That's not true for Trump (ex: tariffs). All this being said, while I think that putting this in ongoing might be a net good for ITN, because it would raise the bar for Trump-related articles to get a blurb because they will be presumed "covered by ongoing", we would be needing to fundamentally change the scope of what can be nominated for WP:ONGOING in a way I'm not quite comfortable with. Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:00, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The important events would be nominated for ITN itself while the less important ones would fall under NOTNEWS.

WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 19:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for various reasons, echoing others. Having the Trump presidency in Ongoing is just too broad - why not have Putin's presidency there, then? A few supporters argue that this would allow us to avoid having to discuss the notability of individual events - yet, isn't this what ITN discussions are all about? Isn't that the very purpose of this page? Khuft (talk) 20:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not what ongoing is meant for. Trump's presidency isn't a specific event which is unfolding, might as well link the current history of the US. Gotitbro (talk) 20:15, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, but would support a nom for the ongoing trade wars, guess it's best covered by Tariffs in the second Trump administration but the scope of that is too US centric. China–United States trade war would be a better option since it's scope is the conflict rather than one side of it. Imo, escalations in that conflict are blurb worthy, so it merits ongoing.

Kowal2701 (talk) 21:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Whether or not Trump’s individual actions are important enough to be covered by ITN should be decided on a case by case basis. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Sometimes I feel people just nominate things here to get opposes slammed on them, but manage to get some explanation text which convinces few, mostly the revolutionary souls, whatsoever. This doesn't make sense per above opposes. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 03:39, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per all above. Seems kind of bias like Khuft and Harizotoh9 pointed out. Hungry403 (talk) 04:17, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Overbroad. Individual Trump-related events (e.g. US-China trade war now, maybe the US-EU trade war, Canada-US-Mexico trade war in the future) should be nominated and blurbed before we take the extraordinary step of putting an entire government in ongoing. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:12, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not the best article. ArionStar (talk) 17:00, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose makes absolutely no sense and I don't think it's because of a lack of knowledge of how ITN/Ongoing works. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:48, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Abel Rodríguez

Article: Abel Rodríguez (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hyperallergic
Credits:

Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indigenous Colombian artist known for his depictions of Amazonian flora. New article, but is beyond stub length and should be fully cited. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:07, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Relatively short but meets minimum standards and is fully referenced. Spencer^T•C 00:02, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 01:33, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted as RD) RD or Blurb: Titiek Puspa

Article: Titiek Puspa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Indonesian singer and actress Titiek Puspa dies at the age of 87. (Post)
News source(s): Jakarta Globe, detikcom
Credits:

Nominated by 103.111.102.118 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She is a Indonesian legendary singer and actress who has a career spanning more than 70 years and has made a major contribution to the Indonesian entertainment industry. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 13:08, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD ; I've expanded the article further and I believe everything is sourced. I think the article could be further expanded with more Indonesian-language sources, but I think it's extensive enough for ITN. ForsythiaJo (talk) 01:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you supporting RD or a blurb, ForsythiaJo?

On my part, I support RD but oppose a blurb. I don't see enough coverage in the global RS outside of Indonesia. Flip^and Flopped ツ 16:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edited my response to clarify, I support an RD. The nomination was only an RD when I left my comment. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:12, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD as article is good quality. Oppose blurb at this time, as while there is a short legacy section, it really doesn't get into the depth of what I'd expect to see for such an entertainment figure at a national level. If that could be expanded (likely possible with obits), that might help for a blurb. Masem (t) 16:40, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD - An absolute giant in the Indonesian music industry (I never got around to using Alberthiene Endah's biography of her, but it was 400 pages), but unfortunately she's had very little impact outside of the country. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:01, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted as RD – feel free to continue discussing a potential blurb. Schwede 66 20:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Very notable in Indonesia, but not very notable elsewhere. A simple google search about her only revealed Indonesian websites and none from other countries. INeedSupport ^:3 04:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 9

Portal:Current events/2025 April 9

April 9, 2025 (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russo-Ukrainian war
- Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - 2025 Russian spring offensive
    - Ukrainian commander-in-chief Oleksandr Syrskyi reports that Russia has commenced a new spring offensive, launching intensified attacks across multiple sections of the frontline. (Kyiv Independent)
Gaza war
- Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip
  - April 2025 Shuja'iyya airstrike
    - Israeli strikes in the Gaza Strip kill at least 35 Palestinians, including at least 23 in an apartment building in Shuja'iyya, Gaza City. (AP) (Al Jazeera) (Channel 4)
Red Sea crisis
- March–April 2025 United States attacks in Yemen
  - Overnight U.S. missile strikes on Hodeidah, Yemen, kill at least eight people, according to Houthi-run state television. (AP)

Business and economy

Tariffs in the second Trump administration, Executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump
- Executive Order 14257, China–United States trade war
  - The second of two tariff rounds go into effect in the United States containing country-specific tariffs on goods into the country, including a 104% tariff on Chinese imports. The first round of 10% blanket tariffs previously came into effect on April 5. (Reuters)
  - China's finance ministry announces an increase from the previous 34% tariff to an 84% tariff on all goods imported from the U.S. (BBC News)
  - U.S. president Donald Trump announces he will be raising tariffs on Chinese goods entering the U.S. to 125% up from 104%, while other countries will have only 10% for 90 days. (BBC News)
  - Amazon begins suspending orders on various products manufactured in China and other Asian economies amid trade war fears. (Bloomberg)
  - Canada announces a 25% tariff on certain vehicle imports from the U.S. as retaliation against a previous similar measure from the U.S. (BBC News)
  - European Union officials announce a set of retaliatory duties on U.S. imports from 10% to 25% on some U.S. goods. (NBC News)
Universal Destinations & Experiences formally announces that they have chosen a site near Kempston Hardwick in Bedfordshire, England, as the location for their Universal Studios United Kingdom resort. The theme park will officially open in 2031 and will be the largest theme park in the UK upon completion. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

Jet Set nightclub roof collapse
- The number of deaths caused by the roof collapse of the Jet Set nightclub in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, rises to 136. (BNO News) (Diario Libre)
One girl is killed and another is missing after a fire destroys six homes in Millville, New Jersey, United States. (AP) (WPVI-TV)

Law and crime

Mass shootings in the United States
- One person is killed and five others are injured, including one critically, in a mass shooting during an anti-violence meeting at an office park in Memphis, Tennessee, United States. (BNO News)

Politics and elections

2025 German federal election
- Friedrich Merz announces the formation of a grand coalition government between the CDU/CSU and Social Democratic Party in order to freeze out the far-right Alternative for Germany. (The Guardian)

Sports

2028 Summer Olympics
- The International Olympic Committee announces the program for the upcoming Olympic Games in Los Angeles with new events in multiple sports and mixed gender events. (USA Today)

(Posted) RD: Roberto Cani

Article: Roberto Cani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Violin Channel
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian violinist, based in LA as concertmaster of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, active around the world as soloist and chamber musician. Refs and facts were missing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article quality is sufficient. Cani was concertmaster of the Los Angeles Opera Orchestra, not LA Philharmonic. Grimes2 (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for pointing that out and fixing the article, - I thought they also performed for the opera, but wrong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 02:58, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ray Shero

Article: Ray Shero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Athletic, NHL
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Updated by Abebenjoe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American icd hockey executive and former Pittsburgh Penguins/New Jersey Devils general manager. Article needs citation work. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:05, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I think it is in good enough shape to be used now, doubled the citations. Abebenjoe (talk) 12:45, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:56, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kim Shin-jo

Article: Kim Shin-jo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): chosun.com
Credits:

Nominated by 70.52.61.63 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

70.52.61.63 (talk) 07:22, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's comments : One of the two survivors of the infamous Blue House raid of 1968, an important (or at least unique) event in South Korean history where conflict between North and South could have had reignited due to this assassination plan of Park Chung-hee, an individual whose insight greatly helped understand what was going on behind that raid and who is representative of the whole event. --70.52.61.63 (talk) 07:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support – the article seems to have no major issues. If other editors are concerned about the source cited, which is a short AI-translated blurb from a subsidiary of the The Chosun Ilbo, there are other RS articles too. [31] Toadspike [Talk] 15:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Needs reference for exact dob. Grimes2 (talk) 16:12, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It has one now, I think, is it ok enough to get your support? 70.52.61.63 (talk) 16:12, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
dob is date of birth. Grimes2 (talk) 16:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There, now you have a source for the exact date of birth, is it good now? 70.52.61.63 (talk) 16:35, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support No issues. Grimes2 (talk) 16:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 02:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 8

Portal:Current events/2025 April 8

April 8, 2025 (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russo-Ukrainian War
- 2025 Belgorod Oblast incursion
  - Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy confirms the presence of Ukrainian troops in Russia's Belgorod Oblast. (BBC News)

Disasters and accidents

Jet Set nightclub roof collapse
- At least 124 people, including Dominican politician Nelsy Cruz and former Major League Baseball players Tony Blanco and Octavio Dotel, are killed and 160 others are injured when the roof of a nightclub collapses during a performance by merengue singer Rubby Pérez, who is among the dead, in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. (NBC News) (El País)
The death toll from the heavy flooding in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo, caused by overflow of the Ndjili River increases to 33 deaths. Hundreds of buildings are completely submerged and thousands of people are trapped in their homes. (NPR) (DW)
About 50 hippos are killed by anthrax poisoning at Virunga National Park in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (CTV News)

Health and environment

2020–2025 H5N1 outbreak
- Mexico reports its first human death from bird flu subtype H5N1 which caused multiple organ failure in a three-year-old girl in Torreón, Coahuila. (Reuters)

Law and crime

2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup attempt, Democratic Republic of the Congo–United States relations
- Three U.S. citizens have their sentences for attempting a coup against the Congolese President Félix Tshisekedi in 2024 commuted and are extradited back to the United States. They were previously sentenced to death along with 34 others for the failed attempt that killed six people, including the coup's leader Christian Malanga. (NPR)
Mass shootings in the United States
- Three people are killed and three others are injured in a mass shooting in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, United States. (Fox News)

Politics and elections

Asylum in Germany
- The German Federal Office for Migration and Refugees orders a temporary halt to a United Nations refugee resettlement program which it has participated in since 2012, citing the change in government. The new coalition government is expected to restart the program when a new interior minister is announced. (DW)
Associated Press v. Budowich, Second presidency of Donald Trump
- U.S. district judge for the District Court of D.C. Trevor N. McFadden orders the White House to restore the Associated Press's full access to cover presidential events on First Amendment grounds, overruling the Trump administration's previous order to ban the news agency after it refused to refer to the Gulf of Mexico as the "Gulf of America". (AP) (The Hill)

(Posted) RD: Amara Essy

Article: Amara Essy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (NewsCentral)
Credits:

Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: He was a heavy name and diplomat within African diplomacy serving as AU chairman at one point. Article in good shape. BastianMAT (talk) 10:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:57, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 13:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:12, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Svetlana Gerasimenko

Article: Svetlana Gerasimenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Svetlana Gersimenko, the discoverer of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko dies at 80. (Post)
News source(s): https://asiaplustj.info/ru/node/347574
Credits:

Nominated by Chorchapu (talk · give credit)
Created by TAG.Odessa (talk · give credit)
Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Soviet astronomer who discovered a comet, article is deplorably short for her achievements and could use some work but she seemed very important. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 20:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Probably not high-profile enough for a blurb. And this stubby wikibio has only ~200 words of prose and rather short for RD at this time.--PFHLai (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Keith Windschuttle

Article: Keith Windschuttle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Australian
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian historian. Thriley (talk) 14:17, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle. Major figure in the Australian history wars – we're still living with his legacy today. Hefty article which I have not had time to read in full yet, may need some copyediting and check for NPOV. – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 21:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Two orange tags, one for more citations needed and another for NPOV. The "major publications" section also lacks ISBNs/verification. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:33, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability. Oppose on quality. As above, there is a lot of problems with the article including NPOV and copyediting. AsaQuathern (talk) 01:31, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AsaQuathern, there is no need to comment on notability. Maybe read the footnote in the nomination box. Schwede 66 05:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Forgive my error. Will read more carefully next time. :) AsaQuathern (talk) 06:52, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Forgiven. Schwede 66 09:17, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nelsy Cruz

Article: Nelsy Cruz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People Magazine
Credits:

Nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)
Updated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Governor of Monti Cristi and sister of Nelson Cruz who was also killed in the collapse. Article is in stub territory at the moment. Flip^and Flopped ツ 14:08, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Improvements have been made to the article since the time this was originally posted. Flip^and Flopped ツ 20:16, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Nelson Cruz was not killed in the collapse. Celjski Grad (talk) 08:41, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination is not for Nelson Cruz but for his sister Nelsy Cruz (governor) who was killed. Natg 19 (talk) 21:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was commenting on the nominator’s comment, not the nomination. Celjski Grad (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Celjski Grad: I think the “also” was in relation to the three RD noms below, not Nelson. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would reviewers please comment on whether this article meets the quality requirements? Schwede 66 09:16, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD/Blurb: Rubby Pérez

Article: Rubby Pérez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: During a concert performance by Rubby Pérez in Santo Domingo, a nightclub roof collapses killing at least 79 people, including Pérez, and injures more than 156 others. (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, New York Post
Credits:

Nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable Dominican Merengue singer who was performing on stage at the Jet Set nightclub at the moment of the collapse and sadly was killed. Article needs some sourcing work. Flip^and Flopped ツ 13:57, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added blurb proposal If we are going to blurbify any one of the people killed who had their own wikipedia article, I agree it should be Pérez. One could argue that the fact of it occurring during a famous musician's concert is relevant to the core of the story and further enhances the event's notability, so it makes sense to mention this detail in the blurb (whereas the other deaths just happened to be in attendance). Flip^and Flopped ツ 22:35, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I'm missing something this is already blurbed from this nomination, I dont know why we would have two blurbs for it. nableezy - 23:20, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We would be modifying the existing blurb to include the reference to Perez. It was not confirmed that he was dead at the time that the original blurb was posted. Flip^and Flopped ツ 23:34, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well oppose that for the same reasons down below for in the Octavio Dotel nomination. nableezy - 01:13, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Orange-tagged and unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 02:02, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Blanco

Article: Tony Blanco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dominican Republic Ministry of Sports and Recreation, El Nuevo Diario
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Another former MLBer and apparent victim of the Jet Set nightclub disaster. No English-language RSes yet, but the Dominican government’s confirmed his death. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article is orange-tagged for now. Schwede 66 01:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Octavio Dotel

Article: Octavio Dotel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Updated and nominated by DarkSide830 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former MLB player killed in the Jet Set roof collapse in Santo Domingo. Could use some more expansion on the accident (which may have a forthcoming article), but otherwise the article looks good. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and take a wild guess why. The article is decently sourced and long enough, but some expansion of an "early life" section would be appreciated. Also, 0 reference of his death, and the Daily Mail source would best not be used for such a claim. Departure– (talk) 18:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the source, but both are referencing the same original tweet. The Mail is absolutely not the only publication reporting on this. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MLB Trade Rumors may be a bit more reliable. Newsweek may be acceptable as well. Still, not sure I want to post it until the MLB or someone closer to the source confirms it. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 18:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, ~~but oppose based on the sources there are right now. We're not 100% sure he's even dead yet.~~ LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 18:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources confirmed it. Support. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 02:01, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'll apologize on this one. Reporting is all over the place. I jumped the gun a tad. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:24, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Streamlining discussion - hiding bit from when we were unsure whether he was dead. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:36, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Close - Is this guy even dead yet? — E_F⁵ 18:25, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am 'withdrawing this nom until confirmation can be found regarding Dotel's death. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re-opening the nom as a spokesman for the DR’s sports ministry has confirmed Dotel was killed. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping @DarkSide830. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate it. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support He is dead now. Rest in peace man. AsaQuathern (talk) 22:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - for reasons pertaining to clutter and WP:ITNRD, I think it would be better to integrate his RD into the broader blurb. Something like:

* A nightclub roof collapse in Santo Domingo, the Dominican Republic, kills more than 90 people, including former baseball player Octavio Dotel.

Or alternatively have his photo in the INT box and have his death be referenced via caption and or reference in the actual blurb (e.g, victim Octavio Dotel pictured).

Also, is it grammatically correct to use "the Dominican Republic" instead of just "Dominican Republic?" — Knightoftheswords 12:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If we're going to blurbify Octavio Dotel, then we should do the same for Rubby Perez, Tony Blanco, and Nelsy Cruz. I think, if we're going to use a picture of any of the four for the ITN box, then Rubby Perez, who was performing at the time of the roof collapse, is the most appropriate candidate for the photo. Ham tech person 15:32, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I believe Christian Atsu was just in the RD ticker when he was taken in the 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes, which to me made perfect sense as his death was a separate story with a separate audience to the wider disaster. I don't think anybody, not even the performer, should be singled out as a blurb just for dying in this accident. I don't know baseball, but from what I read of the page, Dotel was not the absolute elite, generation-defining player that would warrant a blurb. He shouldn't be considered for one just for being the most famous, or having the best page, of the celebrities killed on the night. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:32, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another comment Probably more for any WP:GA nomination discussion rather than the criteria for posting on ITN, but do baseball articles usually have statistics charts? I know it's a very stat heavy sport and always has been, so I'm surprised not to see one. Not that I would know what any of the abbreviations would mean. I was surprised that one of his only spells at a team for over a year, at the White Sox from 2008 to 2010, just has one line to mention that he signed for them. Even if he did not play often, which is my understanding of a relief pitcher, there would be sources to say that as well. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Unknown Temptation For reasons I’m not entirely aware of, you’re correct - baseball articles typically don’t have stats outside of those in the infobox. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:19, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Unknown Temptation: That type of style consistency matter is usually decided by the sport's WikiProject. It was probably hashed out at WT:MLB at some point. If you're curious, feel free to search the archives there and/or poke through the project's style guides. Left guide (talk) 06:16, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Think the blurb on the collapse doesnt need to single any one or two notable people out, so just RD nableezy - 23:21, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose 4 CN tags. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:34, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Make that 6 CN tags. Schwede 66 01:57, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Jet Set nightclub roof collapse

Article: Jet Set nightclub roof collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  A nightclub roof collapse in Santo Domingo, capital of the Dominican Republic, kills at least 79 people and injures more than 156 others. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, New York Times, BBC
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Unusual disaster in the Dominican Republic with an increasingly high death toll. As noted in the paused RD below, former MLB pitcher Octavio Dotel may have been among the casualties. Article quality is already pretty good. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: No CN tags and seems detailed enough. Very tragic. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Significant tragic event that's gained worldwide attention and the article is well cited. INeedSupport ^:3 19:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support High number of deaths from a tragic accident, well-cited article. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:24, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support due to the high number of fatalities and injuries and because well known people were dead/injured. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as we generally put this sort of thing on the Main Page regardless of where in the world it happens. Among the notable dead is Octavio Dotel, a former Major League Baseball pitcher, so this is news in more than just the DR. Daniel Case (talk) 20:45, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per snowball. Article is in good condition and well-referenced. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update the number of dead to "at least 55 people". BD2412 T 21:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support and Update, this is a tragic and rather unusual incident that killed a baseball player. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Significant event which has received worldwide attention. Article appears to be of high quality. Let'srun (talk) 00:02, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Step hen 01:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ukrainian incursion into Belgorod

There's no support for this. Schwede 66 01:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2025 Belgorod Oblast incursion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky announces Ukrainian forces have invaded the Belgorod Oblast in Russia (Post)
Alternative blurb:  President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, confirms an incursion into Belgorod Oblast which started on 18 March.
Credits:

Nominated by Shaneapickle (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I know this is covered by ongoing, but this has a chance to have severe repercussions in the Russian military. Shaneapickle (talk) 16:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I doubt this will have any more consequences than the already ultimately inconsequential Kursk incursion, as Ukraine now has even less resources to attack Russia with. It is also covered by ongoing. --Spec tral Ion 17:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and see what happens with this. The Kursk incursion was pretty important and this might be a repeat of that. Now, if this ends up being nothing more than a few border territories and very small settlements <3000 population each then that's another thing. Departure– (talk) 17:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait/Oppose – already covered by Ongoing, and as of now simply one of several Ukrainian incursions into Russia. Per Spectrallon, I doubt this operation will have much lasting significance on the war, but we'll see. Ark Hyena (they/any) 22:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, while this may have some minor impacts it's covered by the ongoing and most likely won't go anywhere. Also the incursion's been going on for a little while now, this is just the official announcement of the invasion. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 02:19, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is covered by ongoing. If this results in severe repercussions, then those repercussions will be what is posted; but posting this because it may have repercussions is WP:CRYSTAL. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If they were besieging Moscow, then I'd say yes. But this is a tiny incursion into Russian territory. Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:31, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

kursk has left the chat* Shaneapickle (talk) 12:36, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It's a month stale. Scuba 04:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The blurb is a recent announcement. Shaneapickle (talk) 12:34, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buddy, Ukraine's been occupying these two villages since 18 March. Scuba 17:40, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the president literally just announced the presence Shaneapickle (talk) 18:31, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Routine part of the war which is covered by ongoing. –DMartin 00:48, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

April 7

Portal:Current events/2025 April 7

April 7, 2025 (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Syrian civil war
- Western Syria clashes
  - 2025 massacres of Syrian Alawites
    - The number of mainly-Alawite Syrian civilians killed in ongoing sectarian reprisal massacres by pro-Syrian government forces and Sunni parties since March 6 rises to 1,767. (SOHR)
Gaza war
- Israeli occupation of the Gaza Strip
  - Israel reportedly controls over half of the territory of the Gaza Strip after razing multiple Palestinian properties to expand its buffer zone. (AP) (CNN)
- An Israeli airstrike near a charity kitchen in Gaza where displaced Palestinians gather for food, kills more than 30 people. (AP)
Herder–farmer conflicts in Nigeria
- The National Emergency Management Agency reports that at least 52 people have been killed and over 2,000 others have been displaced from their homes in recent days in tit for tat attacks by rival herders over control of arable land in Plateau State, Nigeria. (Reuters)
Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
- A Pakistan Army raid on a Pakistani Taliban militant hideout in Dera Ismail Khan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, kills nine militants, including a high-profile Taliban leader who coordinated recent attacks on Pakistani military facilities in the region. (AP)

Business and economy

Tariffs in the second Trump administration, Executive orders in the second presidency of Donald Trump
- Executive Order 14257
  - The Nikkei 225, SSE Composite Index, and Hang Seng Index experience substantial losses following Friday’s losses on the New York Stock Exchange as a result of U.S. president Donald Trump's tariffs. European markets also decline, particularly in banking and defense sectors. The ASX 200 in Australia and the Kospi in South Korea also closes lower. (BBC News)
  - European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen offers to negotiate with Trump to avoid a trade war and further economic panic, including a zero-for-zero tariff deal on all industrial goods. (Politico) (Euronews)
  - Taiwanese president Lai Ching-te states that he does not intend to implement retaliatory tariffs against the United States. He instead expressed Taiwan's intent to import more American exports and increase its investments in the U.S. economy, beginning with a proposal for a Taiwan–U.S. bilateral zero-tariff deal. (NBC News)
  - President Trump announces plans to impose a 50% tariff on China, escalating to a total of 104% if China does not revoke its 34% reciprocal tariff on all American goods within a day. China rejects the ultimatum, maintains its reciprocal tariffs, and states its intention to match any further escalation. (CNBC) (NBC News) (AFP via Barron's) (Reuters)

International relations

Algeria–Mali relations
- Algeria bans flights to and from Mali in response to "recurrent violations" of Algerian airspace by Malian military drones. (Reuters)

Law and crime

At least fifteen schools are closed in Duisburg, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany, due to violent threats from unknown far-right extremist individuals, totaling at least 17,000 children affected. (DW)

Politics and elections

2025 South Korean presidential election
- South Korea announces a snap presidential election after the dismissal of former president Yoon Suk Yeol, scheduled for June 3. (Korea JoongAng Daily)

Science and technology

Colossal Biosciences announce they have bred three genetically modified wolf pups named Romulus, Remus, and Khaleesi which have approximate anatomical features of extinct dire wolves. (TIME) (Bloomberg News)
The first birth of a baby in the United Kingdom to a woman with a transplanted womb is announced. The baby girl, delivered at Queen Charlotte's and Chelsea Hospital in London to a 36-year-old woman, is reported to be healthy. (BBC News)

Sports

2025 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament
- 2025 NCAA Division I men's basketball championship game
  - In college basketball, the Florida Gators rally from a 12-point deficit to defeat the Houston Cougars, 65–63, at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas, U.S., to win their first championship since 2007. (Tampa Bay Times)

RD: Shigeaki Hattori

Article: Shigeaki Hattori (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Motorsport.com
Credits:

Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)
Updated by Waluigithewalrus (talk · give credit) and GalacticVelocity08 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Race team owner and driver, article looks good from what i can see Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 00:32, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: Is there a section on personal life or early life, education, upbringing, etc.? That's where in the main prose to put a footnote for text mentioning date and place of birth (already in infobox and these things need to be sourced). The section on Team ownership could use more sources, esp. when specific dates on events involving other living people are mentioned. The table under "Indy Lights" is also unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: William Finn

Article: William Finn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter, Playbill
Credits:

Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:1070:938:E019:D7FC (talk · give credit)
Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American composer and lyricist. 240F:7A:6253:1:1070:938:E019:D7FC (talk) 10:49, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Quite an extensive article but many paragraphs, and awards, seem to be unsourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:56, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a few paragraphs of footnote-deficient prose. After the prose, there are a long string of bullet-points and a table that are still unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:10, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Greg Millen

Article: Greg Millen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sportsnet, The Athletic, ESPN
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jfire (talk · give credit) and 24.36.66.227 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former NHL goaltender and TV broadcaster. Article is in decent shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:53, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Quite a few unsourced paragraphs in the body and the career statistics section is entirely unreferenced. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:03, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reference added to career stats section. Left guide (talk) 01:06, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At least 6 {cn} tags. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Dire Wolf

Hate to do this as I think it's quite cool, but consensus to post will obviously not form at this point. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Dire wolf (talk · history · tag) and Romulus, Remus, and Khaleesi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb:  Colossal white wolves with dire wolf traits have been genetically-engineered, recreating the extinct phenotype. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NYT, The Times
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Updated by Junsik1223 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Making America great again with a new top predator – what could possibly go wrong...? Note that dire wolf is a Featured Article. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:08, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose they didn’t actually bring them back it was just a wolf with dire wolf characteristics. Cool but it is trivial 2401:D002:F504:7200:4D83:6E66:6EB2:42F9 (talk) 08:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The blurb already allows for this aspect, as it's a common point in much of the coverage. But see the duck test. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, if it looks like tech company hype, and quacks like tech company hype, then it's an ordinary wolf, and not a duck. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - This is a stunt by a tech company, and does not represent any major scientific advance. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Woolly mammoths and Neanderthals are next. Count Iblis (talk) 09:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The blurb is also extremely misleading: these wolves are not colossal at all; they're still just pups. They've been developed by a company called Colossal. And it is at best debatable whether this comes anywhere close to recreating the phenotype of the dire wolf. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question If we would post this as a scientific achievement, it has to be asked: is there a peer-reviewed paper? I think that’s a barrier before we start debating if it’s “proper news”. Kingsif (talk) 10:48, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, per above. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - An extinct species being "brought back", or whatever you want to call it, is unprecedented. This is definitely ITN worthy. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 12:02, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But that isn't what's happened, so we shouldn't call it that. What we call it is important; this an encyclopedia, not The Sun. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Since this is being proposed as a science blurb, let us clarify some things here. De-extinction is itself a questionable exercise (even beyond the ethical issues) as for its validity as a hypothesis. Colossal Biosciences has not done anything of that sort here, these are for all intents and purposes modern wolves who have been genetically modified to give the pretense of de-extinction/revival. Wikipedia should not serve as a promotional platform for Colossal Biosciences to raise funds (money which would be better spent on conservation rather than dubious "revival" efforts [we are going through a mass extinction right now]). And we are better off without nods to Trumpism on ITN (or bizarre anti-science citations to WP:DUCK). Gotitbro (talk) 12:31, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See this MIT Technology Review for what is actually happening here. Some quotes, “'I would say such an animal is not a dire wolf and it’s not correct to say dire wolves have been brought back from extinction. It’s a modified gray wolf',” says Anders Bergström, a professor at the University of East Anglia who specializes in the evolution of canines. 'Twenty changes is not nearly enough. But it could get you a strange-looking gray wolf.' ... A confession: "Beth Shapiro ... acknowledged in an interview that other scientists would bristle at the claim. 'It is a dire wolf,' she said. 'I feel like I say that, and then all of my taxonomist friends will be like, 'Okay, I’m done with her.'" And for all the hype about its white fur (one of the genetic modifications to "revive" the dire wolves) its existence in the dires might be a complete conjecture. Gotitbro (talk) 13:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Altblurb II "3 grey wolfs (with link to the 3 pups) are genetically mixed with dire wolf traits, bringing back the extinct species" Shaneapickle (talk) 12:25, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They are not actually dire wolves, which is an extinct species and will remain so. It's three altered wolves to superficially resemble the extinct species. Harizotoh9 (talk) 12:38, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since this is being brought up again. No Colossal has not 'brought back' anything here. These are grey wolves who have had their genes modified, not a new species and definitely nothing to do with the Ancient DNA of the dire wolf (yes still extinct) [insert a joke about Creature suits here]. Also it is simply incorrect to have white wolves in the blurb, completely unrelated to the Colossal stunt. Gotitbro (talk) 12:45, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose - per all above. Clickbait at best; we don't post clickbait at ITN (hopefully). — E_F⁵ 12:34, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, is there a peer-reviewed paper? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 12:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose No peer-reviewed paper, similar to the previous woolly mouse thing this company did. Its an interesting concept that's being misreported by poor scientific coverage in mainstream paper, as these are just normal wovles with some selected dire wolf DNA imprinted on them to give them a few dire wolf traits, but by no means a revival of the species. Masem (t) 12:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is even more bluster and bust than that. No actual dire wolf DNA has been used, the grey wolf DNA was modified so that they may 'resemble' the extinct species (which of course is also much conjecture). Gotitbro (talk) 12:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment About Precedent - Didn't we post about a species no longer being endangered not that long ago? De-extinction seems bigger than that, so I think that should set precedent. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 12:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this were de-extinction, I would agree. However, there is no dire wolf DNA spliced into the grey wolf, it's just recreating the phenotype of the dire wolf. The species is still extinct. Youraveragearmy (talk) 13:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that this isn't "de-extinction", though. — E_F⁵ 13:20, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose It isn't de-extinction. It's a selectively-engineered approximation based on extant species. While it might fill the role of the Dire Wolf in its habitat, at the end of the day it isn't de-extinction of the Dire Wolf and shouldn't be treated as such. 13:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC) Departure– (talk) 13:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Though its habitat is extinct as well. Gotitbro (talk) 13:31, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the original habitat of the Dire Wolf no longer exists on this earth, but it may still thrive in a similar role in the food chain as say horses did in the New World. Departure– (talk) 13:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be surprised after the push to stop eating dog meat. Nfitz (talk) 14:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's a human cultural phenomenon. The vultures don't much care what humans do when they find the corpse of a predator on the ground. Departure– (talk) 14:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious support probably the greatest scientific achievements of the last 20-30 years, (besides Chatgpt/neural networks, obviously) ShirtMonopoly (talk) 13:34, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's just not true. You're utterly misrepresenting the situation. And I'll take Covid vaccines over ChatGPT every time. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. They're not direwolves. This is simply a contender for "Clickbait of the Year". DarkSide830 (talk) 13:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose They are just GMO wolves and "no ancient dire wolf DNA was actually spliced into the gray wolf's genome" + I have no idea why my username's mentioned at the top. Junsik1223 (talk) 13:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think we're one or two !votes away from a snowstorm. 8 opposes to 4 supports to 3 non-!votes. As the primary reason for the !oppose votes is that the blurb is misleading we should start seeing snow falling any second now. Departure– (talk) 14:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - It appears that these aren't dire wolves, but grey wolves with only a handful of dire wolf genes - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g9ejy3gdvo - no prejudice in relisting if they escape and start eating people. :) Nfitz (talk) 14:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They aren't even that. No actual dire wolf DNA was involved. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per previous responses that they aren’t real dire wolves. Pretty oversensationalized news. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Per all above, it is just a phenotype modification, not actually bringing back an extinct species. 2605:B100:748:5AD:7454:5C06:69C9:7AF7 (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Peter Geiger

Article: Peter Geiger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Liechtensteiner Vaterland
Credits:

Updated and nominated by TheBritinator (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Liechtenstein historian TheBritinator (talk) 23:04, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Upon an initial assessment, I am not quite sure this person meets WP:NACADEMIC. With that being said, this nomination is probably not the place to dispute that. I would support per ITNRD if the article gets a little more work to take it outside of stub territory (is there more information about his accomplishments in the German obituaries, e.g.?) and the article is cleaned up to avoid hyperlinks to non-existent pages/direct links to external URLs. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, admittedly it could do with a clean-up. I'll look into that later today. TheBritinator (talk) 01:47, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Flipandflopped & @MtPenguinMonster: I have expanded the article and cleaned up most of the refs. Hope this helps. TheBritinator (talk) 12:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good enough now, if marginally - support. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:04, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We don't post stubs. Schwede 66 01:35, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. The article is not of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are now 309 words, so length-wise it is comfortably out of stub-class. -- PFHLai (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Admittedly, it's very short but the recent expansion brought it to 1619 bytes of prose size which is above the minimum page size required for DYK (and a benchmark I use for ITN as well). There are also no referencing problems, so I think that the article meets the standards, albeit barely. ❤History Theorist❤ 05:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support No stub. Grimes2 (talk) 12:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:55, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clem Burke

Article: Clem Burke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Consequence
Credits:

Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
Updated by Edwardrhodes06 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Drummer for Blondie and the Ramones Mjroots (talk) 16:55, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Multiple unsourced claims and red links in the life and career section, and the entire discography is unreferenced. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:20, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Discography section is still unsourced. There is also a {cn} tag in the prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:21, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 6

Portal:Current events/2025 April 6
Portal:Current events/2025 April 6

(Posted) RD: Roberto De Simone

Long enough with almost 600 words of prose. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found in expected spots in the prose. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good quality article. Yakikaki (talk) 18:37, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2025 NCAA Division I men's/women's basketball championship games

Oppose on quality as article needs significant expansion. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support now that it has been. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Men's article could use some expansion in the Aftermath section, but otherwise good to go as well. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Assuming nobody beats me to it, I'll add some more to that tonight. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait to post alongside the 2025 NCAA Division I men's basketball championship game, currently oppose on quality per The Kip. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 15:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC) [reply]
- Support alt blurb. Both articles are ready. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 12:24, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not that this is ready yet, but there's no reason to have the men's hold up the women's, nor visa versa. The 2024 women's was posted before the men's. —Bagumba (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So apparently we can't wait one day for a game that is happening today? We can wait to post things. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 17:36, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Team backgrounds and game summary have been added; media and aftermath sections also have content now. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:04, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Template:Ping pinging above !voters for potential reassessment. Thanks all, PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:05, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the men's game is finished later today (for those living in the US), then support as it's a notable sporting event. INeedSupport ^:3 21:09, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Remember the years when the men's final was played before the women's final? I'm confident that we didn't wait for the women's game article to be ready before posting the men's blurb. If it's ready, post it. The men's article can be added when it's ready too. Also, nothing in WP:DEADLINE applies to this situation. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since then, we have recognized that if there's nearly simultaneously men's and women's tourneys like this that happen within 1-2 days of each other, waiting for both is necessary to avoid apparent sexism by featuring only one. Masem (t) 03:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, we've even posted women's tennis w/o waiting for the men's to be ready.[32] Template:Tqq: As opposed to having women wait still for men? No, post the individual pages/events as ready, and then aggregate updates to the blurb for related events as needed. —Bagumba (talk) 05:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah…no. That's not how Wikipedia works. We simply post things as they happen, and update things as they happen. The fear of unfounded hypothetical ulterior motives is irrelevant. Left guide (talk) 05:50, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Updated blurb. The men's champioship article is good. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ready (or at least these should be; both games have full prose game summaries and are in good shape). PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Independently notable sporting event. Noithing in the guyidelnes that says we must hold off one sex's achievement to wait for the other's. In fact that's a really bad look. 81.141.35.32 (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support merged men's and women's ALT. I don't see any glaring issues. Scuba 13:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted the women's event; anyone who originally opposed on quality has now changed to support. Only 3 people have commented on the men's article's quality, waiting for one or two more voices, then the women's blurb can be replaced by a combined blurb. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:04, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting here that User:Fuzheado posted the men's article a while ago. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted the men's result. Thanks @Floquenbeam for reminding me. - Fuzheado | Talk 19:34, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
post-posting Support Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment as one of the page shepherds at 2024-25 UConn Huskies women's team, I very much appreciate the nice Fudd pic and the alt summary I see today. I find it gratifying that these two championships are getting some gender-equity in such choices. I admit to my a US-focused view, but am still grateful for the decision to switch the initial congrats in the text to the women's championship (with snazzy pic). Thanks to all ITN contributors for what you bring to the pedia. BusterD (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jay North

Picture I just read through this because it was the top read article yesterday and I didn't recognise the name (the UK has a different Dennis the Menace). The article was a good read and, while it's not perfect, it's adequate. As big nostalgia item for many but with weak name recognition, a picture (example right) would work best. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any sort of consensus or precedent for RD images to be posted? I searched the archives of WT:ITN and found these discussions which may be relevant:

Left guide (talk) 09:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One example is Kirk Douglas. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:52, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article is nicely sourced (in fact sometimes has too many citations). Yeshivish613 (talk) 10:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD with photo Article meets requirements and the suggested photo is eminently interesting. Kingsif (talk) 10:49, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, but Oppose picture and blurb. Scuba 13:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no proposal to have a blurb, just Andrew's proposal to have just an image. Yeshivish613 (talk) 14:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I misunderstood, still not sure we need a picture. Scuba 14:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 01:47, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added Ref for Date of birth. Can You Please take a look now ?Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:51, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Filmography section is still unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:40, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paul Fierlinger

Oppose big chunks of the article are uncited. Needs work. Scuba 14:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At least 6 {cn} tags in the prose. The bullet-points after the prose are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:32, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Alexander Ovechkin breaks Wayne Gretzky's goal record

Support I'd not heard of this guy before but noticed that his article was trending yesterday, when he equalled the record, and so took a look to find out who he was. It was quite an interesting read that worked for me, even though I'm not an ice-hockey fan. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Notable. Article about the player is ok. Grimes2 (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support There are few records that are ITN worthy but this is one of them. One of the two most important stats in ice hockey (together with points), a record that is broken once every 20-40 years, and a sport where the statistic tally is indisputable (cough Pele); and one of the top five leagues in the world by revenue NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:05, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Good for him. It's mind-boggling that anyone managed to beat Gretzky in the record books (although his total points record of 2,857, which includes goals+assists, is almost certainly untouchable). --Bongwarrior (talk) 20:13, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per all above. History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support _pbp 21:09, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per all above, his article is pretty good aswell Hungry403 (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality Numerous paragraphs in International play are not sourced at all. Masem (t) 21:21, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, ~~oppose on quality~~ per Masem. Unfortunately I don't have bandwidth to go add refs today, but I might be able to tomorrow if it still hasn't been fixed by then. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on quality, the article now seems fully referenced. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support. Ice hockey is one of the most popular sports in America, Canada, and Europe alike. Even if you've never heard of this guy in your life, this is like someone breaking Jerry Rice's receiving yard record, someone breaking Barry Bonds home run record. Thesogra (talk) 23:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, a major sports record and the page, although long, is almost too well sourced (242 sources). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:26, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, good quality article and a notable achievement. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More than 20 paragraphs that end without a reference, and many paragraphs without a single reference. Step hen 00:19, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sporting trivia. Banedon (talk) 00:20, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above and nom. AsaQuathern (talk) 00:44, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/February 2023#(Pulled) LeBron James sets scoring record (a similar feat) may offer relevant precedence and arguments for this ITN candidacy. Left guide (talk) 01:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given the swing there, this should at least be discussed for 24h, during which the quality issues might also be addressed. —Bagumba (talk) 02:14, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Yo Good idea, though interestingly it looks like LeBron was posted about 25 hours after being nominated, yet still subsequently pulled. Left guide (talk) 02:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why I left it as "at least". —Bagumba (talk) 02:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It getting pulled is still in my opinion one of the worst missteps ITN/C admins have made in recent years - let's not repeat it again. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support All-time records on objective criteria for a worldwide sport is notable enough for a blurb. Oppose on quality for now, becasue last time I checked there's still a good few uncited sentences in the article. Departure– (talk) 03:13, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability per LeBron precedent. One CN tag.WFUM🔥🌪️ (talk) 03:15, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sports trivia is not news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The LeBron blurb shouldn't have been pulled, and this should be posted. One of Gretzky's supposedly-unbreakable records falling is not "trivia," and quite frankly I'm insulted by those who think it is. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:14, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kimi Antonelli just became the youngest person to ever lead a F1 race. If I were to nominate that as a blurb, would you support it? Banedon (talk) 06:38, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Youngest driver would be an easy record to break, has been broken twice in 5 years. This here is a record that stood for 25 years, and likely wont be broken for another 35 years 204.48.93.153 (talk) 13:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the argument, Southampton FC just broke the record for the fastest EPL relegation. If I were to nominate that as a blurb, would you support it? Banedon (talk) 14:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Those are both actually trivial records, quit it with this trolling. If someone broke the record for most F1 race wins or most PL/EFL goals I’d support it in a heartbeat. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Trivial records. Kind of funny, given Alsoriano97's oppose below. Banedon (talk) 15:13, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, thats a record that could easily be broken by a single bad season. Breaking Gretzky record, which was done in an era where goaltender equipment was way smaller, making goals way easier to score, was considered impossible in this era. Youngest athlete in XYZ sports, fastest relegation in XYZ leagues, most points scored in a season (althought gretzky 200 points season would be an achievement but i agree not ITN worthy), oldest athlete and so on, those are trivial, could easily be broken 4 or 6 times in a decade. But presently there are no players (apart from matthews maybe but its a looooooooong shot), that could be on a rate to beat that record, and its very unlikely to be broken in the next 30 to 40 years, contrarly to all the other example you presented 204.48.93.78 (talk) 19:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this seems like a north american news (or sports trivia) that many other countries do not know or care about. 2001:D08:1205:AE04:C952:E43:B222:C724 (talk) 05:24, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ovechkin himself is Russian, and there are many, many results from Russian sources, Norwegian sources, Turkish sources, and others. The assertion that "this seems like a north american news (or sports trivia) that many other countries do not know or care about" is demonstrably false. schetm (talk) 13:10, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's the strongest league in a sport popular in Austria, Belarus, Czechia, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Norway, Russia, Slovakia, Sweden and Switzerland not just Canada+USA. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:33, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, have not checked quality Mrfoogles (talk) 15:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose goal records don't seem to be posted historically (at least to my knowledge and small search). I don't think regional league (no matter how important) goal records of any sport belong on ITN. 2A02:A03F:EAEE:EE06:80A6:8DD7:DF6E:3B41 (talk) 08:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hat

Touch Grass Scuba 05:25, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your constructive comment, well-received. 2001:D08:1205:AE04:C952:E43:B222:C724 (talk) 05:26, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
guys let's be kind please: WP:Polite AsaQuathern (talk) 05:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Touch AstroTurf. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support obvious. Scuba 05:24, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as this is an outstanding achievement that is widely covered in the media. Furthermore, it's not true that we don't post such records. We posted Magnus Carlsen's record FIDE rating of all time, and pulling LeBron James' record was a mistake.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The BIG difference is FIDE rating is I - International while this concerns a national league. Furthermore ice-hockey is FAR down the list of sports by popularity, to the point where i think it is hard to justify a national goal record as ITN. 2A02:A03F:EAEE:EE06:80A6:8DD7:DF6E:3B41 (talk) 07:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NHL is an international league as it consists of clubs from Canada and the United States.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:37, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IIHF considers winning the NHL as equivalent to winning an Olympic gold medal and a World Championship. See Triple Gold Club. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:32, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Some positive news, and if you think this is a bit north American centric, we can balance it later with international events or events outside of North America. Also, NHL contains players from Canada, USA, Russia, and all over the world. Harizotoh9 (talk) 11:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Congrats, Ovechkin. But looks like utter sports trivia which will affect no-one and will have zero consequences. Does this really have news coverage across the world? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this really has news coverage across the world. Ovechkin himself is Russian, and there are many, many results from Russian sources, Norwegian sources, Turkish sources, and others. schetm (talk) 13:55, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above. Trivial. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:03, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is very rare for the record to be broken. It has been a long time for this to happen. Also there is the Lebron precedent. AsaQuathern (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support It is incredibly rare for a record this old to be broken so many years later. Nationality shouldn't matter. A record is still a record. Urbanracer34 (talk) 14:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So how many years is it? To what is it compared to make it "incredibly rare"? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The time between new records for this has progressively increased (10ish years for Howe, 30ish for Gretz, 31 for Ovechkin), and with the total getting increasingly higher while scoring plateaus, that’s likely to become longer if it’s even ever broken again. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Eh? So the record is broken every 30 years or so, on average. Because it was broken five years sooner, it's "incredibly rare"? Surely it would be much rarer if is was broken after only one or two years? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve edited my comment to reflect the actual reality and clarify my meaning. This record is only rarely broken and likely won’t be broken again. If you can’t see how that’s not trivial I don’t see how you ever will. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I trust you have multiple WP:RS sources that say "likely won’t be broken again", otherwise it sounds like WP:CRYSTAL. Maybe the blurb should say "broken after 30 years" or something? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The last time the goal scoring record was broken was 31 years ago. That span of time makes it incredibly rare, and the scope of global news coverage makes this objectively noteworthy enough for an ITN blurb. schetm (talk) 14:44, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Kip above says this is just about "average"? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:46, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Rare. It's an event that happens, on average, more than a quarter century apart. That makes it rare. Not to mention the vast scale of global press coverage of this event. schetm (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we can’t post total solar eclipses anymore since they happen every 18 months or so, guess that makes them trivial. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I guess so. I've noticed that sunrises and sunsets also don't often get mentioned. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:55, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds a bit predictable to me. Is it rare compared to record-breaking goal tallies in other team sports? How often do they happen? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Can one of the “this is trivia!!!” voters actually explain how/why this is trivial, other than ITN’s occasional “sports bad” sentiment? People complain about how sports news on ITN is routine, meanwhile here’s something absolutely not routine and it’s branded “trivia.“ The Kip ^(contribs) 14:48, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So what consequences does it have? for anyone? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The same argument can be made for anything sports-related. Why bother posting sports at all if it's all inconsequential? /over.throws/^✎ 14:58, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Really, the “inconsequential” argument can be made for anything we post that’s not politics or a war/disaster, and yet others consistently criticize ITN for being a politics/war/disaster ticker. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"I contend we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -- Stephen F. Roberts.

In the same way, I gave you two more records above that were both achieved last weekend. You dismissed them as trivial. When you can explain why you dismiss these other records as trivial, you'll be able to explain why I dismiss this one as trivial. Banedon (talk) 15:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The burden of proof is really on you to prove how this clearly-important record is as “trivial” as those are, but I’ll entertain the premise I suppose.

First off, to put it bluntly, this is receiving massive media coverage and attention across the world. That’s what Wikipedia’s standards of notability are based on. If you can pull up two dozen news articles from two dozen varied news sources about how important Kimi Antonelli’s record is, be my guest.

With more regards to opinion, some records are simply obscure/less important. “Youngest/oldest to do something,” especially when it’s been broken multiple times in the last few years like the F1 record, is one of those. Fastest relegation from the Premier League is solely a domestic league record, and one that could easily be broken with how the PL’s parity with the Championship is in some ways decreasing. In the same vein, I wouldn’t even begin to consider nominating Ovechkin breaking the record for most game-winning goals, or empty-net goals, or power-play goals; these are more obscure, sport/league-specific items of note. Nobody nominated the Boston Bruins’ best NHL season ever a few years back either, and I wouldn’t have supported that anyways.

Breaking the all-time goal-scoring record, in the world’s biggest hockey league, a record that was previously thought unbreakable, in a sport that is centered entirely on scoring goals, is not one of those records. Similarly, I’d support a blurb for someone breaking the all-time PL/international soccer goal record, or the F1 race wins record. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don't bring up "burden of proof", or I'll say that the burden of proof is on you to show that this record is not trivial.

First, this is not receiving massive media coverage and attention across the world. I didn't see anything about it until I saw it on ITNC. It's there if I look for it, but that goes for most sporting trivia (you can try searching for the two records I showed above - the Kimi Antonelli record was on ESPN, Straits Times, France24, New York Times, and more).

You could argue that this record is obscure/less important; that runs right into the argument I made above that this record is also "obscure/less important". Again, you are hard-pressed to come up with objective criteria as to why this record matters and the others don't. (And I can come up with a lot more such records, especially if the scope is broader than "last weekend").

Here's another example. You say you'll support a blurb for someone breaking the all-time soccer goal record, etc. Last weekend Stockfish set the record for the all-time highest rating in computer chess. Will you support that? This is even a global rating, while NHL is a 2-country league. But I honestly doubt you'll support it; you'll say "that record is broken every day!" in which case I'd point out that if Ovechkin plays another game and scores another goal, then he'd be breaking the record again, so this record is allegedly broken very often.

What all this illustrates is just how arbitrary these records are. From my point of view what matters in sports coverage is 1) who won and 2) what the score was; everything else is trivia. Banedon (talk) 02:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Voyager 1 does 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 recordbreaks per second (Planck lengths) but in the last 53 years the record only changed hands in 1972, 1998 & won't again for decades or centuries. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:14, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with The Kip above: It's very difficult to see your counterexamples as commensurable with the Ovechkin record; the former are just plainly incidental. /over.throws/^✎ 15:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of the records you cite got anywhere near the level of coverage in global reliable sources as the Ovechkin record. They relatively got, at best, "trivial" levels. That's the difference. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:19, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

THANK YOU. AsaQuathern (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's every thirty years or so per above. That indicates this is a once-per-generation achievement in the discipline. I don't think "trivia" rightfully characterizes the rarity and effort of this achievement. It's very much a landmark for the sport. /over.throws/^✎ 14:56, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom. Shanes (talk) 14:59, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment re quality: will be providing references in the International play section. /over.throws/^✎ 15:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on Notability. I'm glad LeBron's record was noted here for reference, because I think we made a serious mistake pulling that story. The way I see it, we have these leagues in ITN/R for their championships, but in some cases you could argue that the breaking of key records could be an even bigger story than that year's championship. In this case, at least, I think it is. Gretzky's nickname "The Great One" wasn't just a simple moniker - it was a statement of his status as the greatest to ever do it. While Gretzky's points record may be the most hollowed, it's really hard to overstate just how impressive Ovi breaking the goals record is, and how dominant he's been for years to earn this status. In short, this is more than just trivia - it's the hockey moment of a generation. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly agree with this rationale, to such an extent that I want to voice my agreement explicitly.

If we don't post sports trivia, why do we post ITNR tons of annual championships which garner very little coverage in the reliable sources, but then decline groundbreaking world records which get overwhelming coverage in global RS? The fact of the matter is, we do post sports trivia, and we do it as a matter of ITNR! Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose We don't typically post sports records. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:02, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Check the Lebron precedent above. AsaQuathern (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, sadly. Gretzky's achievement was monumental - and exceeding it perhaps even more so. And most importantly, well covered in the media. This record has stood for over a generation. And I shouldn't oppose it even though given the odious nature of either gentleman. Nfitz (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There are many such records in sport, football goals records, touchdown records, cricketing runs / wickets etc. By and large these are incremental in nature and not usually significant enough for ITN. LeBron was a particularly prominent example, and although he was initially posted there wasn't consensus in the end and the decision to post him was a mistake. Let's not repeat that please. — Amakuru (talk) 21:23, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The last time this record was broken was in 1994. Scuba 23:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from nom - Support currently stands at 24; oppose at 10. I've never posted at ITN before, but in almost every other part of Wikipedia, that demonstrates a consensus. The ref issues in the international play section have been dealt with. This article is ready, and the !votes are clear. It's worth noting that a fair few opposes smell of WP:IDONTLIKEIT - asserting this is trivia without saying why. The massive amount of news coverage from all around the world makes this item, literally, In The News. It's time for someone to slap a ready on this one. schetm (talk) 01:38, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! AsaQuathern (talk) 01:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All this talk and still swathes of unreferenced material. Step hen 02:45, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you make of the consensus above? schetm (talk) 02:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What consensus above? It's not getting posted as an unreferenced BLP. Step hen 04:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen is making the point that the article is not ready for posting. Whether the topic is notable or not is moot if the bolded article does not meet quality standards. Natg 19 (talk) 04:51, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Agree that most sports stories we post can be considered trivia (even have boating, darts etc. at ITNR), so an argument on that line is tempered by the fact that this is perhaps the trivia of this sport. Though I am not comfortable with overturning the LeBron precedent especially for niches. Gotitbro (talk) 03:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sourcing comment The § Career statistics section needs citations. The entries at § Honors, awards, and achievements and § Records lack citations. Some might be repeated facts already in prose, but it doesn't seem reasonable that readers would remember already seeing this level of minutiae, and not question whether it's verifiable. If it's already sourced, it should be straightforward to reuse the citations in the list.—Bagumba (talk) 06:04, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Yo In sports bios, isn't there often a single master source used to cite the whole section for these types of things like stats, awards, and records? Left guide (talk) 06:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Left guide: I can't speak for hockey, but it probably depends on the level of detail in the bio, and whether that is covered by a single source. Nobody needs a citation every line if a WP:GENREF suffices for the entire page or a specific section. For example, see Template:Section link, a recent RD post. —Bagumba (talk) 06:31, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Yo Ok thanks for the info. I added a couple of WP:GENREF sources (ESPN, Yahoo Sports) atop the sections that should be able to verify large batches of previously unsourced material that you called out. Left guide (talk) 07:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don’t think it really needs to be said that some early comments calling this a record in a major sport are at best misleading: ice hockey is not a major sport, and the record only relates to one league, the NHL (which, TBF, in the USA is a major league). But it’s worth commenting on this to remember that ice hockey is a much less globally-significant sport than basketball (and see LeBron precedent), and that one league (even the largest by a distance) shouldn’t speak for the whole sport. My main reason to oppose is that it’s a trivial record, and per a comment above, I will qualify that: it does not have an impact on its sport in any way, the only result is the record itself being harder to beat, its existence is self-sustaining and nothing more. Surely the definition of trivia. It’s impressive but compare to breaking the record for fastest 100m: there, the record is the actual result of the event. Ovechkin having two goals more than Gretzky doesn’t mean anything for the match, his team, the season, the league, or the sport. Maybe he gets a bonus from a sponsor. I also think about it like longest winning streaks, which is also an incredible achievement, and in fact actually takes into account results and is team-relevant, but ultimately is not the point of the sport and just something tangential for fans to follow. Speaking of team, as I think I commented at the LeBron nom, there’s something that seems wrong about posting an individual record in a team sport. Again, this is not to downplay these achievements or say they’re not worth public acclaim, but as a sports blurb it doesn’t make the cut for not being a result or having any other real impact. If we were to start allowing blurbs for cool trivia, this would surely make the cut — or maybe we’d ask for a Goalscoring records in the NHL listicle to ‘prove’ it’s a WP-worth piece of trivia, IDK — but as of now, we’d have to IAR cool trivia blurbs and precedent for that (not just LeBron) is no. Kingsif (talk) 11:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I told myself I wouldn’t comment any further to avoid even the appearance of bludgeoning, but

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You can’t possibly be serious. By that argument, soccer/football is virtually the only “major” sport.

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Given ~~they’re tied (Ovechkin is not two goals ahead)~~ Ovechkin is one goal ahead, not two, while I try to AGF, this indicates to me that you’ve taken only a cursory look at the article/media at best and haven’t read them at all at worst. The Kip ^(contribs) 13:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You’re right, you are bludgeoning, when your response quotes me but doesn’t actually respond to me, just brings up your own opinion again. I am deadly serious about ice hockey not being a major sport, globally. It’s behind football, cricket, basketball, athletics, golf, motorsports, by a distance - just off the top of my head for absolute certain. Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, and as the fourth sport in the USA, are the only regular markets. Of course, as noted, not my main reason to oppose.

Speaking of, you haven’t even acknowledged my argument, just claimed ice hockey is the world’s number two sport and then tried to discredit me instead. My argument detailing what makes this kind of record trivial, for the record, would not require knowledge of the specifics, but from what I have actually very much read, Ovechkin broke the record on Friday and scored again on Sunday. You disagree? Of course, if they’re tied like you claim, there’s no story to blurb - so which of us hasn’t paid attention? Kingsif (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source to back up your claim that “ice hockey is not a major sport” or is this just a personal opinion? Subjective editor opinions on which sports are the best aren’t what grounds notability, it’s about the depth of courage in the reliable sources. Flip^and Flopped ツ 14:04, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Yo The Kip appears to have been quoting (and responding to) that claim made by Kingsif, not making the claim themselves. Perhaps you misunderstood the context, or indented the reply improperly. Left guide (talk) 14:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, indentation error. Fixed, thanks. Flip^and Flopped ツ 14:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? They are tried on goals, but "Alexander Ovechkin has broken Wayne Gretzky's record for most goals scored"? Errrm... 205.239.40.3 (talk) 14:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Flip, did you remove my reply to you for a reason? Kingsif (talk) 15:49, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, trivia. Sandstein 11:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't this WP:IDONTLIKEIT? Can you please elaborate? AsaQuathern (talk) 22:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is a matter of no importance whatsoever. Sandstein 12:30, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There's only a handful of sports records that should be posted, and this is one of them. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. I didn't realise there was an agreed list. 205.239.40.3 (talk) 15:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Where is this agreed list? Left guide (talk) 15:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't an agreed list. I'm saying that there's only a few that deserve being posted (i.e. only a few that are significant enough to ever be In the News), and this is one of the few, in my opinion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the IP was employing sarcasm. Kingsif (talk) 15:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Refocus discussion. I think it's clear that there's a consensus to post based on notabilty. Based solely on notability, I would post it now. I don't think continuing to argue about that is likely to be useful or change the consensus much. But there is still a pretty strong consensus that the article is not ready, quality-wise. I'd suggest (a) getting the article in shape, and (b) commenting on that aspect, rather than arguing about whether this record is earth-shattering or utterly trivial. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’d recommend you revisit many of the “support on notability” !votes to determine what their actual argument is — from “it’s a major sport” to “I am insulted by people thinking it shouldn’t be posted” to no reason given, they’re very weak on balance. Kingsif (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I'm just trying to save people time. If you want to keep arguing, go for it, but don't include me. I'm comfortable enough in my reading of the discussion that I will post if there's ever any consensus that the article quality is good enough. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
adding to my previous comment: I don't care whether it's posted or not, except to the extent I'd like to see some kind of functional, non-paralyzed method of determining whether it's notable or not. To a very large degree, these are all "opinions" on whether or not it's notable. The opinions are not concentrated on one side or the other. For every "this is a big deal", there's a "this is trivial". It seems like a dumb way to decide, except there is no other way. There's a supermajority that it's notable enough, and there are no overriding policy reasons pro or con, so as a potential posting admin, I'm not curious about what further arguing in that area would lead to. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam re: quality - While I might’ve missed something, the orange tag’s been resolved and it appears there’s no longer any CN tags on Ovechkin’s article. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:13, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm more interested in whether experienced ITN denizens think the sourcing is now adequate. My own judgment on this has always been much less exacting than others' (if it were up to me we'd post a lot of stuff earlier than we do), so since my judgment doesn't match the community's judgment, I'm not going evaluate its readiness myself, I'm waiting for experienced editors to say sourcing meets ITN/C standards. If enough people whose judgment in this area I respect agree that it does, then I'll post it. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:52, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U, Template:U, I don't know if I rise to the level of "denizen", but I assist frequently with bringing RD noms up to quality. I updated my initial oppose on quality to a support. The only one minor issue I still see is that the tables, while now sourced, are just to bare hyperlink URLs as opposed to properly cited footnotes (see footnotes 262-267). In my experience though, as long as the entire article is readable and well-cited, minor MOS issues like that won't preclude it from being posted. Flip^and Flopped ツ 21:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Flipandflopped I've resolved all outstanding CN tags. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:37, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One can easily counter that by pointing out most of the oppose votes are simply “it’s trivia” with no elaboration, but I digress. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
THANK YOU. AsaQuathern (talk) 22:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, at least “it’s trivia” is a reason, if not an explained one, compared to just “it should be posted”, which is just repeating “support” in other words. Either way, if there’s no strong arguments that’s no consensus - we don’t resort to !vote-counting, and it dismays me to see admins decide unreasoned majority opinion is good enough just because it reflects a larger user view, as if the point of not-a-vote isn’t exactly because we’re all fallible and people generally !vote with biases. And I care because it starts making it harder for impactful news from smaller topics to get ITN time, our purpose of promoting those articles lost for ILIKEIT, but not enough (yet) to properly complain. Kingsif (talk) 09:53, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose seems trivial to me, maybe something for DYK but certainly not for ITN. 2A02:8071:78E1:A100:500E:8D51:3236:B845 (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Ineligible for DYK. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:25, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm sure it's important to those who follow ice hockey, but the sport is not a big global one, so I'm unconvinced it meets ITN. However, the article still has multiple unsourced statements in it, so it's ineligible at this time anyway. Black Kite (talk) 18:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Kite please tag any unsourced statements you come across, as it stood a few minutes ago there weren’t any CN tags remaining. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unsourced statements don’t have to have CN tags. Step hen 21:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I tagged everything that is unsourced. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:24, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I’ll try to address some of them tonight. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What's a big global sport except football? Ice hockey isn't the most popular, but it's still well known. win8x (talk) 20:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't think this is useless trivia, which seems to be the opinion of the majority of opposers. Seems reasonable enough to put on ITN to me. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 23:16, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While this may be a big deal in Canada, Russia, and the United States, I don't see this being a big story elsewhere. Just because other sports records have been posted doesn't mean they should have been or that this one should be posted. Let'srun (talk) 23:59, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITNCDONT: Template:Tq The Kip ^(contribs) 00:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We do this all the time... Football is the only sport that's really global, every other team sport only matters in few countries. win8x (talk) 02:17, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like this is too broad of a generalization. Other than Canada, Ice Hockey is also popular in Canada, Sweden, Finland, and Russia. Baseball is popular all across the world as it is widely played in Japan, South Korea, the Unite States, Central and South America, Caribbean countries like the Dominican Republic, and Taiwan. Cricket is of course popular all around the world with most of the countries playing it being former members of the British Empire and members of the Commonwealth. Rugby is also popular around the world.

My point is that even though football is a universal sport, it isn't the only sport celebrated in a lot of countries. AsaQuathern (talk) 05:16, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - need some sort of uniform standard for how things like this are handled. Either all time records for scoring in major professional leagues are worth blurbing or they are not. That should be true for the NBA, or NHL, or the EPL or Bundesliga or whatever else. By very recent history here these records do not merit being blurbed. nableezy - 17:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted, as I previously mentioned, there has been a consensus to post based on notability for a while now. Significant progress has been made in building the article quality, several people who previously opposed on quality have changed, and there have been no unresolved quality-based opposes recently. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:50, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pull No, there's not a consensus. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As I read it, it's currently:
25 support votes, of which 5ish are just "it's notable" or entirely blank with no elaboration as to why.

16 oppose votes, of which 1 is an oppose on quality with no comment on notability, 6 are brief "it's trivial" or similar with no elaboration as to why, and 2 are violating point 2 of WP:ITNCDONT.
If you control for those, the "quality" total is still around 20 support votes to 10 oppose votes.

The Kip ^(contribs) 21:52, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support per my previous !vote. I do agree that a consensus has developed. The pedant in me wishes that the posting waited until we got more !votes in support on quality, but IAR wins today. Departure– (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

considering that you have actively participated in advocating that the nomination be posted I don't think your assessment of the opposing votes is exactly objective. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:30, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You’ve already voted oppose. Voting “pull” is just restating your original oppose vote, not casting a new one. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is also saying they don't think there is a consensus. Thats also your (at least) eleventh comment in this section. nableezy - 22:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please maintain WP:CIVIL. Also, I am not sure if there's a limit for the amount of comments you can make here, as long as it is productive. AsaQuathern (talk) 01:58, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Rundle

Oppose - Though untagged, article is quite poorly sourced… two, to be precise, as of this edit. Jusdafax (talk) 09:43, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Jusdafax. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chicago I-94 Crash

Oppose routine passanger car accident. Type of content that shouldn't even be covered in WP per WP:NOTNEWS Masem (t) 18:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose—first, this event isn't in the article. Second, we wouldn't actually add it to Interstate 94 in Illinois anyway. Imzadi 1979 → 18:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I'm going to presume AGF since the user seems new and unaware of notability rules for what should or should not be nominated, but this obviously does not pass as in the news. This is hyperlocal and has no significance past tomorrow to anyone other than the family involved. Plus, there isn't even an article about this. Kline • talk • contribs 18:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose and close - Yea, no. No indication of significance, article doesn’t even mention the crash so I don’t know how many dies, although I’m assuming it was a routine fatality count (under 6). Very tragic and sad for the families of the people involved, but we don’t post this type of stuff. E_F⁵ 18:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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April 5

(Posted) RD: Peter Stuhlmacher

Support No issues. Grimes2 (talk) 11:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 21:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Grand National

Oppose for now. Article is a stub. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:43, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support. The article has improved, and is now better suited for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article has no highlights summary. Moraljaya67 (talk) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Same as last year? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section now added. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Unfortunately there’s not much to the article nominated. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How much more is needed? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:32, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, quality now seems adequate. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:59, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Moraljaya67, @MtPenguinMonster, @Mrfoogles, and @The Kip. The article is now start class not stub. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:40, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Looking at the articles for this event going back a few years, they are very heavy on tables and light on prose. Its fine to have some tables, but they really should only be augmenting the prose. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:43, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A prose version of the single results table? There's quite a bit more text now. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support See no reason to oppose. A regular major event in UK sporting/ social calendar. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted Step hen 01:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hands Off protests

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Template:S The topic is attracting a lot of attention - The Guardian quotes organisers estimating half a million protestors across the US, which is big for the US, so it's newsworthy. The article was created 5 April, so the amount of updated content is sufficient. However, the article itself to a large degree describes plans and what is happening "now" rather than what happened. Work is needed to bring it up to standard. Even the second out of the three sentences of the lead is about what is planned. Boud (talk) 00:04, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is now written about a past event. There are some online hints that protests will continue 6 April in some places, but if WP:RS report that, then that can be added later. Boud (talk) 10:32, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are not the first mass protests in this administration, eg several on 2/17 [33]. Additionally, as these have been peaceful and have no apparent affect, there's not much impact compared to what happens with other protests that we usually post. Masem (t) 00:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any sources saying that earlier Trump-II-era protests had 500,000 or more participants? If not, then this is the biggest US anti-Trump-II protest. Reliable sources will judge the political impact in the long term - these are not the sort of protests that lead to the immediate resignation of a politician. Neither police violence against protestors nor violence by protestors is a requirement for newsworthiness. Boud (talk) 00:12, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The news story you just cited described "thousands" of people as marching at D.C. The news stories about this protest describe 100,000 people protesting at D.C. alone. The difference in order of magnitude from the protests you are citing is 100 times. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:13, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair I don't see an exact count on the protest you mentioned, but this protest is likely ~10 times larger at least in D.C.. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support I feel these protests are notable for their unusually large size -- if reports 500,000+ attended nationwide are true, which I believe they are after viewing the images of the crowd sizes in the attached articles, then this movement would be comparable to the anti-Iraq war protests at their peak and essentially appeared out of nowhere during a non-election season. Gambitenthusiast99 (talk) 00:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

100,000 people attended the D.C. protest alone, according to current estimates, so I wouldn't be surprised. Mrfoogles (talk) 04:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Protests are commonplace news, what makes this one so special? That it happens in the US? Cambalachero (talk) 00:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:U, we frequently post protests, including from other countries than the USA, if they attract a large quantity of protestors and receive international news coverage: see e.g. 2025 Turkish protests, Canada convoy protest, 2024–present Serbian anti-corruption protests, 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest, which were all posted. Flip^and Flopped ツ 01:55, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All of those had some type of actual demonstratable impact, like roads being blocked in the Candian or Indian ones. So far we just have large numbers showing up and calming protesting. Masem (t) 03:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Protests that block roads aren't necessarily inherently more significant than those that do not; e.g. the Vietnam war protests couldn't be called insignificant just because they weren't all focused on blocking roads. But the truth of protests' long-term effects is only known long after the event -- so if we want to cover current news, we are forced to guess based on their size and news coverage. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What are examples of the effects of a protest or set of protests per WP:NPOV consensus based on WP:RS in Wikipedia? Per protest: Template:Tq "Systematic and peaceful nonviolent campaigns" are long-term processes - WP:RS may report the effects in days, weeks, months or years; the impact (or lack of impact) is not yet known. Boud (talk) 10:42, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem we have at ITN is that there are a fair number of protests occurring around the globe every day. We absolutely cannot feature them all, and so we generally look to a metric about actual impact and not just the mere act of a protest. Masem (t) 14:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a protest, it's 1,300 protests, some with on the order of 100,000 people in multiple major cities, which made the front page of most major US newspapers. It doesn't happen every day by any means. That's the distinguishing factor. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:54, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait per Boud. Depending on how enduring/prominent the coverage of this is throughout the next couple days across global news sources, I may be inclined to support. I generally disagree with the idea that we should be gauging their effect or impact on American democracy or society based on how peaceful or large they are, as that is WP:CRYSTAL. Suitability for posting here can only really be measured by how much enduring, sustained coverage and emphasis they get in the reliable sources, which is yet to be fully seen, as protests are onging. Hence the wait vote. Flip^and Flopped ツ 01:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that waiting is probably a good idea. I'm not sure that requiring news stories be published again, in the days after, right after the first news stories were published, is a good idea, though? Usually emphasis on long-lasting coverage talks about more than the next couple days after an event -- more like months, or years. WP:CRYSTAL applies to article content -- speculation should generally not be placed there. However, it doesn't restrict making editorial judgements as to what is worth putting on the main page based on guesses of its significance -- in a sense, that's most of the point of this page. Mrfoogles (talk) 05:59, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP is not a newspaper, and ITN is not a news ticker. Our goal is to feature quality articles that happened to have been in the news, not to report news, and we'd rather wait to have an idea of impact or significance as documented by sources rather than just rushing to put it on the maijn page. Masem (t) 06:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that ITN is for quality articles that happen to be in the news. The impact will only be known in the long term, but the notability is well-sourced and well-defined, as in the first sentence of the lead: Template:Tq The quality of the article seems acceptable to me now. Boud (talk) 11:02, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Estimates report around 500,000 participants in a nation of 350,000,000. One out of every seven hundred people did the absolute bare minimum thing they could possibly do to voice disagreement with what has widely been described as a fascist takeover and an intentional triggering of a Great Depression. If I was a MAGA supporter, I would be absolutely thrilled with the turnout. The most radical administration in US history and virtually everyone shrugged their shoulders and kept on scrolling.Danthemankhan 03:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your reply here comes across as bizarrely defeatist, fatalistic, and dismissive of the actual significance of this event. 500,000 is massive and would easily put this in the top five largest single-day protests in U.S. history. What were you expecting? People still have jobs and families. Gambitenthusiast99 (talk) 04:21, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To add on to what @Gambitenthusiast99 said, going to a protest is a significant amount of effort, especially if it's a huge, chaotic crowd of 100,000 people. They can last hours, and big ones have to deal with riot police, and sometimes tear gas. And if you're really trying to talk about the bare minimum thing that can be done, it's much easier to e.g. call your representatives. It would be amazing but is unreasonable to expect that every American who thinks these actions are a major problem to come out for a day and stand in a protest, if they even heard about it. The fact that 500,000 people did, across the 50 states, indicates that there are many more than 1 in 700 who care deeply about the issues -- that's how all protests work. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:11, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait So far, the readership for the article is quite small -- just 4K yesterday. For comparison, note that the readership for 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre has been remarkably huge lately -- over 4 million -- which is a thousand times greater. I'm not sure why that is -- maybe it's an effect of a recent HK court case.

So, this new article needs more time to settle down and establish whether it's something that our readership is also searching for.

Andrew🐉(talk) 07:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let's hope it doesn't go Tiananmen. Bremps... 07:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Davidson, haven't you been told numerous times that pageviews don't matter at ITNC? I feel like I've seen several people call you out on it, yet you continue. — E_F⁵ 12:50, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't normally respond to such badgering because it's invalid and off-topic. There was a proposal six months ago that our readership should be ignored but this did not command a consensus or even a majority. The actual rules are per WP:ITNSIGNIF, "Template:Tq" A high level of readership clearly merits consideration because it obviously chimes with ITN's primary purpose, "Template:Tq" ITN is here to help the readership, not to ignore it. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ignoring ITN’s procedures and norms wholesale no matter how many times he’s reminded of them in favor of his own bizarre logic has pretty much been Andrew’s thing for years now. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:00, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It makes sense that Tiananmen Square is more famous than this, but I don’t think that makes it not worth featuring. E.g. the election of the Latvian president is probably not what the majority of people in the world are searching for, but we feature it anyways because it’s significant. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

After a full day, the readership was a respectable 50K but that's still less than the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre and doesn't stand out significantly from other Trump topics.

The article says that the protests are ongoing but doesn't make it clear to what extent they are continuing now. As a one-off, I don't think they've had sufficient impact but we can keep the nomination open in case there are fresh and prolonged waves, as happened with the Occupy movement.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if we were to post this all four of the items on ITN would be about far-right politicians, I'm unsure if that's a good thing. Black Kite (talk) 07:52, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That it shows that all of these far-right politicians are so unpopular that people are protesting them? I don't see a problem about that.

What "bad thing" are you trying to imply here? SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 09:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support unusually large protests ShirtMonopoly (talk) 12:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on quality - Dupe-cite tag, unicted sentence in the #Virginia section, NPSN tag in lead. — E_F⁵ 12:52, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Re Still far from WP:GA status, but the two dupe-citations, the unicted ;) sentence in #Virginia, and the non-primary sources sentence have been tidied up. I also usurped ;) the oddly claimed URL usurpations. Boud (talk) 14:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, this seems to be the largest protest against Trump's actions, and the article is well cited and good quality. Given the muted response from the Democratic Party to Trump, this appears to be a very important political event in the US. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chorchapu (talk • contribs) 14:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Protests have minimal impact. We did not post Trump policies with massive global impact like shutting down USAID (which will cost many lives in developing countries) and the Signal group chat (which will strain diplomatic ties with Europe). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.198.3 (talk) 14:31, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ITN isn't a Trump ticker. A lot is going to happen in the next 3.5 years (if not more) and it's likely going to be covered heavily by most newspapers given how connected the US is to the world. Why not just have the Trump administration in ongoing at this rate? 202.144.171.99 (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose maybe it's my fault since I only use the AP for my news, but this is legitimately the first I'm hearing of this. They seem rather small and don't have ITN worthy news coverage. Scuba 15:51, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They’re the largest protests so far, and they really are in most major newspapers. I also find out about a lot of things for the first time from the Wikipedia ITN, but I don’t think that means they’re not worth putting there —- it means that ITN is working because I’m learning stuff. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Protests themselves don't matter and have functionally no more impact than whining on social media. It's not like this is part of a political crisis in America, and this event is already OUT of the news cycle, thus literally not "in the News". What importance some people (especially in America) attach to the protests is irrelevant. Compare this to the Myanmar Earthquake, or the Trump Tariffs, and it's apples and oranges. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as nom Replaced the image with a similar but better one with more people. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Definitely a major protest against Trump but the US is in complete flux right now and when put in context this [along with other anti-Trump and anti-Musk protests] does not appear to be of much significance. Pushback in the form of Trump policy blockage or judicial checks would appear much more ITN suitable. In other news, Trump fired the top US security establishment when an alt-right white supremacist told him they were not loyal enough to MAGA. And so we go. Gotitbro (talk) 18:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome to propose a different notable act of resistance against the Trump-II administration for ITN. From a long-term sociopolitical point of view, it's true that judicial blocking of democratic backsliding may be more notable than street protests, but short-term statements by political scientists or legal experts are harder to find and get a lot less media attention. If you can find one, then please propose one of these specific events that has sufficient new content, is a Wikipedia article of sufficient quality, and is considered newsworthy by the mainstream media WP:RS and preferably also by researchers. Boud (talk) 21:29, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Already out of the news cycle, unclear what if any impact it has had or will have (or won't have). As I said, it's out of the news cycle, so it was a blip and then over. No impact internationally or even within the USA's political system. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:39, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you can assume protests have no impact just because most major newspapers only do 1 story on them. Mrfoogles (talk) 02:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's unclear how protests that have wound down, are out of the news cycle, will have any impact. Protests can have impact if it leads to a political crisis, leadership resigning, etc, but none of that has happened. If one in 700 people in El Salvador engaged in a nation-wide protest, and it was unclear what the impact was, I would treat the story the same. Compare these protests to the Myanmar earthquake that left thousands dead, and the new Trump tariffs which will have worldwide economic impact. Those events have clear impacts. Harizotoh9 (talk) 03:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:U "No impact internationally", actually that is not quite accurate: see e.g. Canada, Europe, Australia & New Zealand. Flip^and Flopped ツ 17:41, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, no impact internationally. It hasn't even led to any of those countries changing any of their policies. They're continuing what they were gonna do anyways. I repeat: No Impact Internationally. Making noise is not an impact. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:38, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reluctant, weak oppose The sheer scale of the protests probably meets the ITN bar, but most of the protests we've posted in recent memory have had endurance to them as well, while these were specifically a one-day event. The Kip ^(contribs) 05:18, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The Serbian, North Macedonian and South Korean protests recently were not posted for a lack of impact, and those were the biggest protests those countries have seen for a long time and much larger population percentages took part in those. These protests are tiny and weak compared to the size of the country and the impact a protest could or arguably should have especially considering the subject matter has affected the whole world. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I forgot to mention the most obvious: the South Korean protests didn't make ITN, but the impeachment of the President did! Same would apply here. Unless something tangible happens, protests themselves are not notable. Harizotoh9 (talk) 12:21, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Protests, as they occur in so many other places. Doubtful notorious and real impact. Nor are they triggered by an extraordinary event such as the removal of a president (South Korea) or an accident with many victims (Serbia). Meh. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:07, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant update: the actual number of protesters is not known with complete certainty but may have numbered in the millions [34]. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size for a size comparison assuming organizer's numbers are accurate. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:13, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We have to wait for official and confirmable figures from objective sources (those of the organisers, in any protest, are usually biased). In any case, the US has a population of over 340 million people...low impact. And when we talk about impact it is not only the number of people who join the protest, but also political consequences and, in this case, none is to be expected. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This will likely become a regular occurrence during his second term and are unlikely to have a significant impact on policy unless it becomes violent. GWA88 (talk) 17:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It seems unlikely that million-person protests will happen regularly during the presidency, although that would be interesting. Mrfoogles (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another is already planned for April 19. There are very much likely to be routine as long as they remain peaceful. Masem (t) 18:08, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb The current blurb is somewhat inaccurate, because in fact, hundreds of these Hands Off Protests occurred in Canada and Europe as well: for sources to that effect, see e.g. protests in Canada, protests in Europe. I think the global nature of the protests lends towards notability. Flip^and Flopped ツ 17:37, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(As nom) altblurb seems fine to me. Mrfoogles (talk) 18:05, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If this does get posted, just merge it with the tariff blurb. Bremps... 06:10, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That would imply the protests were in response to the tariffs, though. They were being organized as an anti-DOGE/anti-authoritarian protest movement for a while now, as opposed to being purely reactive to the market downturn. Flip^and Flopped ツ 14:56, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this is going stale, is there any consensus to post? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 01:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems unlikely; the last nine !votes tallied one support and eight opposes. Left guide (talk) 03:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 4

(Posted) RD: Petro Georgiou

Support Complete enough and cited enough. Bremps... 19:03, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 05:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's a new footnote for the date and place of birth in the main prose now. Hope this helps. --PFHLai (talk) 23:12, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 23:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Review needed) RD: Paul Karo

I've done quite a bit of work on this (expansion; referencing; tidy up). Not perfect yet, but nearly there. Schwede 66 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The filmography doesn’t have enough references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:55, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Manoj Kumar

Support The article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:56, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Quite well-sourced and of decent length and cogently written. Jusdafax (talk) 09:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 02:11, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Added ref for date of birth.Can you please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mirawas

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2025 April 3 Template:Cob

Oppose First sentence runs into a WP:NPOV issue and the rest of the article doesn't let up. The writing's charming but not suited for Wikipedia without revision. Bremps... 07:46, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose + Snow Close per @Bremps Shaneapickle (talk) 13:07, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unless the subject is not worthy of an article at all, the usual point of RD is to polish the article up rather than reject it based on its initial condition. Cheers, Bremps... 16:57, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are fixable issues with an RD article, a WP:SNOW close isn't appropriate. RachelTensions (talk) 04:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - Too early for a SNOW close; issues are fixable. E_F⁵ 13:12, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I did some copy-editing for a more neutral point of view and added a citation needed tag. Youraveragearmy (talk) 18:43, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: per @Bremps LuxembourgFan42 (talk) 15:09, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support it's a little slim, but I'm not seeing any unreferenced claims or NPOV issues. I'm assuming further editing work has been done since the original votes some days ago. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article looks ok to me. Are there any remaining concerns? Schwede 66 01:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 01:40, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 3

(Posted) RD: Theodore McCarrick

Support Long and well sourced article, definitely meets quality standards V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 11:41, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good length and well sourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 13:49, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above supporters. Nearly 200 refs and no tags. Jusdafax (talk) 09:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Date and place of birth are both unreferenced. Schwede 66 01:49, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:U, although it is not footnoted in the article's lead, the date and place of both are included in the very first footnote, which links to the archived biography from the Archdiocese of Washington website: 1. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:10, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But you can’t and should not expect a reviewer or reader of the article to trawl through the references to see whether the verification is somewhere. Schwede 66 00:32, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 2 outstanding citation needed tags, including one for an entire unsourced paragraph.—Bagumba (talk) 11:43, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Template:@ITNA McCarrick‘s article is fully referenced now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 23:19, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Impeachment of Yoon Suk Yeol

Support major development in South Korean politics, especially considering we did post the martial law declaration and this is arguably more impactful SparrowSparrow (talk) 02:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Verdict needs a bit of expansion and some clarification on the succession. That said, this is obvious ITN material and I support on expansion. Article quality is quite good. No issues with referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support ALT1 There have been widespread coverage on his impeachment by the legislature (National Assembly (South Korea)) and the Constitutional Court by Korean and international media. ALT1 gives context as why he was impeached. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:44, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose ALT2 since Han Duck-soo was already the acting president before the ruling. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:56, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support This a major event in this country. Fixer88 (talk) 02:47, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. Change of head of state. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:52, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a major development of the South Korean politics. Moraljaya67 (talk) 03:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Culmination of everything over the last few months, and the most important domino to fall thus far. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:06, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Updated with an additional altblurb linking to the acting president. –DMartin 03:17, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Han Duck-soo was already the acting president before the ruling, since Yoon was suspended by the National Assembly. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:31, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support Change in head of state. –DMartin 03:17, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support per nom and prior comments. AsaQuathern (talk) 03:32, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support and post immediately per all above. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:37, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. ATL1 is my preference.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 03:59, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Alt1. I only just added the picture to image protection queue so I can't yet replace it. Masem (t) 04:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Now protected, image swapped. Masem (t) 04:23, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Andreas, Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha

Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:28, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support but Oppose on notability Head of major european royal house died, if he was the ruling monarch of a nation, this would definitely have its onw page on this, I oppose this based on notability and the fact that few news sources are reporting on this. Shaneapickle (talk) 13:06, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deaths are automatically notable, comments should focus on quality alone.

My vote is oppose on quality Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:00, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a blurb nomination. Blurbs have a blue or cyan template with a written blurb - i.e. "Andreas, Prince of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, dies at age YY". Recent deaths appear as beige boxes, and they just need to have articles that are well-sourced and long enough and appear below the main ITN blurbs, and don't have blurbs of their own. Departure– (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Review needed) RD: Mick O'Dwyer

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2025 April 2 Template:Cob

Oppose This article has too many unreferenced paragraphs. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 2

(Posted) Trump Tariffs

Template:Posted. El_C 05:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. AsaQuathern (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until we see what the international response is. We only posted the ones against Canada and Mexico because they instituted their own tariffs in response. If no one else does anything, will this can have international reach it becomes really only a US problem. But if we see trade wars start with other nations, then that makes this very significant. Masem (t) 21:15, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not if, but rather when and how bad will it be. The EU is already preparing retaliatory measures.[35] -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which why it is better to wait until those are actually announced and not just planned. The story is the international trade war started by these, but we should make sure that trade war actually materializes Masem (t) 21:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Masem and WP:NTRUMP. We need to wait and see if the retaliatory tarrifs have a noticeable enough impact to warrant notability. Kaito-san (talk/contribs) 21:46, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is basically tariffs on every country in the world from the richest country in the world. Beyond notable, regardless of impact. Personisinsterest (talk) 21:59, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Tariffs will continue until morale improves, apparently. Article looks comprehensive and economic implications are massive. Bremps... 22:09, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, although I can't help but wonder if an article for these "Liberation Day" tariffs might not be warranted. I suppose that'll have to come as the impacts make themselves more apparent. BSMRD (talk) 22:45, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably why we should wait to see what international actions are done because more likely a 2025 international trade war would be the best target Masem (t) 23:00, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support, this is a massive world event, and I'd even support a separate article about just these tariffs. User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 23:02, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The list of reciprocal tariff rates is cited to a tweet. Such social media from the Trump administration and policy in general is not reliable because of their history of flip-flops and make-it-up-as-you-go. Most countries often tinker with their taxes and so there's lots of news in the UK about its government's fiscal policy. The devil is in the details with this stuff and that will take time to work through and settle down, which may not happen any time soon. We shouldn't just report the Trump speech as given per WP:SOAP. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:08, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on media: I've had a look what's available online and found a couple of media files that could possibly illustrate this story (if we don't want to use Trump's official portrait). See what you think. Schwede 66 23:28, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As long as we don't directly rely on White House sources. Bremps... 00:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Just another unremarkable thing done by Trump (adjust tariffs) that is treated as a big deal only because it's Trump. If John Doe, president of Foo, did a similar thing nobody would conder this worth of ITN Cambalachero (talk) 23:36, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In all due respect, that's not correct at all. Look at Foreign policy of the Joe Biden administration, Presidency of Joe Biden, Presidency of Barack Obama and Foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration as a comparison. The word "tariff" only occurs in the Biden admin in regards to Chinese tariffs, and the word doesn't even occur once in the Obama articles. This is Trump making sweeping tariffs against many of America's trade partners out of nowhere plus a general 10% additional tariff. This will have a huge impact economically on America and the broader world. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This may be new for the US, but it's common in the international stage. Cambalachero (talk) 03:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is almost unheard of and I would gladly support if up next, Zimbabwe or Bhutan does the same kind of thing, regardless of how "not relevant" the country is in the global world stage. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 14:24, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is not your neighbourhood crazy uncle, but he is the President of the United States. Your neighbour wouldnt affect your employment or egg price in Walmart, but Trump can, and is passionate about doing so in the wrong way. His power enables him to actually implement his crazy ideas, which would affect everyone on this planet. In this case, in the worse scenario possible HolyCrocsEmperor (talk) 02:31, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saying that these tariffs are unremarkable is frankly ridiculous, as a Canadian I've seen how people went from loving America to absolutely blood-boiling hatred towards Americans over the tariffs and Trump's actions these are VERY remarkable and I would argue the most remarkable of both presidencies and maybe even the most remarkable when his time in office is over (maybe not seeing how things are going). Even conservatives who would usually agree with the Republican Party just cannot agree with them over the tariffs and President Trump's other actions the tariffs are possibly the one thing if they come into effect that will ruin Canada-USA's 100+ year long alliance and brotherhood.

Plus even in a different perspective like the ones above you can clearly see that it is very remarkable. Even Trump himself would most likely admit it is one of the most remarkable things of his presidency.

Roc1233 (Talk | Edits) 01:12, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the tariffs become live. This is undoubtedly major news and will affect the global economy if implemented for even less than a week, but we have to see them be live first. PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Even if Trump repeals them five minutes from now, it's going to have a major impact on the world economy. Financial markets are already down substantially. --Carnildo (talk) 04:26, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a major escalation, and distinct from the trade war with Mexico and Canada. It could have serious impacts on the entire global economy and is much larger in scale, if implemented. Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: This is the biggest news today in the world, literally because every country is affected. Universally 10% is too crazy that it looks plain, but millions if not billions of jobs would be at stake. HolyCrocsEmperor (talk) 02:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support/Wait Due to the scale of these tariffs. This affects nearly every important country on the world stage. However, we should probably wait a day or two to see the international response as Masem and PrimalMustelid suggested. Hungry403 (talk) 02:33, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Lots of people were watching this, and it's not just politics since business decisions are also affected. In fact I remember reading that for many CEOs, April 2 (aka "Liberation Day") couldn't come quickly enough. Unless the tariffs are walked back on soon, this will affect billions upon billions of goods and services; I don't see why that would not be worth posting. Banedon (talk) 02:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support One of the biggest economies in the world making sweeping tariffs, which will have huge impact on the global economy. Harizotoh9 (talk) 03:08, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Will have enormous global ramifications, very clearly meets the ITN threshold. Mlb96 (talk) 04:09, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: This will absolutely impact the global economy, and poses a significant issue. Support a different blurb than the current suggested blurb as it feels too general. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:19, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Push back Not seeing a consensus for this but so it goes. What I do see is that there's already pushback for this in the Senate. You see, the President doesn't have complete freedom to do as he pleases with tariffs. Trump is abusing the International Emergency Economic Powers Act which is supposed to be for "unusual and extraordinary" cases, not a global policy affecting all trade. If there's an economic emergency, it will be of Trump's making! Anyway, the point is that this is an ongoing situation in which pushback is happening both domestically and internationally. The blurb presents it as a done deal when it's just the start. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:50, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Senate bill is not expected to pass the house according to analysts but we'll have to wait and see. Yes, Congress could close the loopholes that Trump is using, but they haven't yet. Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:22, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, obviously I judged there being consensus (at the very least a WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS), so I will not be doing that. El_C 07:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At the time of posting there were 12 supports, 2 opposes, and 3 waits. Of course it's not a vote and strength of argument counts, but there was clearly a consensus in favour of posting. I do think it would have been better to wait a few hours, so editors in Europe had a chance to comment (this all happened overnight for them). Modest Genius ^talk 11:13, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What needs work now is the blurb so that it doesn't normalize the idea that Trump controls tariffs by diktat. The blurb currently doesn't explain that Trump has declared a national emergency in the US, as his pretext for this. To make this clearer, the blurb would be

US President Donald Trump declares a national emergency to announce tariffs on all imports.

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:52, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Getting into how Trump introduced tariffs when it is not normally within his power is getting into the weeds for the main page of a global encyclopedia (But obviously should be covered at the article). What the blurb is lacking is the impact. Its why we should wait to verify what other nations are likely to do, with the expectation it will start a trade war and potentially a recession/depression at a large scale (if not just in the US). Even seeing how bad the markets dive from this (based on overnight trading) would be something. Right now the blurb gives zero suggestions of its importance and only if you have been following the news do you know what that means. We shouldn't assume that for the readers. Masem (t) 12:09, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support. While there are some reasonable arguments above, this is undoubtedly headline news around the world. Deliberately causing economic damage to trading partners is a big deal. We can't post every tariff that Trump imposes, but collectively these are a large package that affects most of the world economy. It's good to keep the blurb simple too, without attempting to explain his stated reasons (or why they're bogus). Modest Genius ^talk 11:13, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting comment, should we consider mentioning the fact that stock markets across the world are plunging in response? User:Chorchapu (talk|edits|commons|wiktionary|simple english) 12:12, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support. Whilst it's tempting to say "oh, it's just another on the list of stupid ideas that Trump thinks are cool", this one is genuinely worldwide front page news, for obvious reasons. And no, we shouldn't try to kick it into the long grass by saying "Wait for responses", the story is this, happening now. Black Kite (talk) 14:49, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support. Whether from Trump or someone else, helping crash the global economy in that way is definitely notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:24, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Ad Orientem and @AsaQuathern, the promoter and nom, respectively. Thoughts on noting the stock drops that have resulted? Jay Cubby 20:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not really wild about the idea. The tariffs are the story. Markets rise and fall, sometimes dramatically for a lot of reasons. If this turns into a 2008-09 type financial crisis, where we had a months long cascading stock market crash, I might support putting that into ongoing. But I'm not comfortable going there right now. If the market rebounds dramatically in the coming days (not likely IMO), then we are going to look like we were trying to be alarmist or allowing political bias to influence ITN. I think the blurb is good for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:15, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure tbh. AsaQuathern (talk) 01:45, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-posting support Yeah, so that's one way to destroy the global economy. Adding comment following clearly inevitable discussion to say I don't think the stock drops should be added to the blurb - if they truly crash, that can be its own thing. Kingsif (talk) 22:57, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Outcome Looking at how this played with the readership, we see that the nominated article was not the top read. The stock market wasn't either. Apart from other topical subjects like Val Kilmer, the most read relevant article was Heard Island and McDonald Islands which generated much amusement by appearing on the list despite having no population apart from penguins. This aspect is in the news and generating lots of coverage: Penguin memes, Nowhere on Earth is safe, Reuters, Sri Lanka Guardian, How everything works now ... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:01, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What's your point? It would hardly have been appropriate to single out that territory in the ITN blurb. Besides, the number of hits on an article is not one of the ITN criteria. Modest Genius ^talk 10:54, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One point is the best target article(s) for this topic as currently the target is just a section in a broader topic. The story continues to develop and now China has announced that it is reciprocating. Perhaps China–United States trade war will then be what our readers are looking for. We also have a more specific article called Liberation Day tariffs... Andrew🐉(talk) 14:35, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Laura Loomer is now the top Trump topic, while the stock market is the top economic news. It's interesting that readers are finding this despite the wordy title of List of largest daily changes in the Dow Jones Industrial Average. ITN's blurb is still ignoring this notable aspect and so it's obviously the search engines that are actually driving the traffic. Heard Island is still getting attention but another exotic island has just overtaken it for a different reason. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:52, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you’re trying to say that the best blurb for this would’ve been "Trump imposes tariffs, including on these islands that only have penguins, and people find that funny", what’s the point, Andrew. In general, please remember that one of the stated purposes of ITN is to direct readers to articles that may contain more information on topics they’ve heard about - the idea of directing suggests the readers aren’t finding these articles themselves, so, showing the ones they’re already reading sounds counterproductive to me. Both for the readers and for WP, as ITN is using real world news awareness to promote our articles on ITN to attract more readers to a wider array of articles. I don’t know how many times it has to be said to you, but ITN and Top25 are very different endeavours. Maybe one day ITN will become a MP list of most-read, but nobody besides you seems to want that right now, and trying to force it to happen by already acting like pageviews is ITN’s purpose is not contributing to discussion of the criteria that everyone is, making many of your comments redundant. Kingsif (talk) 11:29, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another point is that these tariffs are not a done deal. Another ITN goal is "Template:Tq" but this hasty blurb has been remarkably static rather than keeping up with the escalations, market gyrations and flip-flops which change daily so that the China–United States trade war is indeed now the focus. But, meanwhile, the top read yesterday was dire wolf! Our readership wanted that right now and so they just read it – a million of them in a day. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Cottrell

Support Article is generally well cited and long enough, though some clarification regarding the death date would be quite helpful. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 22:07, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks solid. Marking as ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:30, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Disclosure: My edits to the page were limited to copyedits, not materially growing the content for posting.—Bagumba (talk) 12:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Khamtai Siphandone

Template:ITN candidate Former president of Laos. Jmanlucas (talk) 18:12, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support- Page looks good and the guy is worthy for ITN LuxembourgFan42 (talk) 21:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Full enough article. Longest lived world leader ever. Doesn't meet Thatcher/Mandela criteria for ITN though. Bremps... 22:12, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Longest lived was Celâl Bayar. Curbon7 (talk) 09:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted – Schwede 66 00:39, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chinese landing barges

Oppose: Sorry, but I don't see landing barge tests as blurb-worthy. Plus, the article PLA Navy landing barges itself is only slightly more detailed than a stub. — MarkH₂₁^talk 07:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's early days yet. I've just edited the article to add more sources and detail. There are lots of naval buffs on Wikipedia and I expect that they will do more as the news breaks. Watch this space... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:08, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and snow close - Weapons and equipment tests are not significant enough to warrant a blurb even when they strongly suggest impending invasion, and any suggestion that this will be used in any military operations is leaning into WP:CRYSTAL territory since it is not guaranteed that these things will be used as per my understanding, even though common sense says it is highly plausible. Tube·of·Light 08:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Interesting but not really of ITN significance (which itselfs derives from the crystalball of use in an invasion) as reflected by the blurb. Perhaps DYK. We did not post the minor Cross Strait crisis around an year ago, these developments are even less significant. Gotitbro (talk) 09:16, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Militaries test new equipment all the time. If these landing craft are used in an actual invasion, then we can post. Merely trialling them isn't significant enough. DYK might be a possibility, but the article would require expansion to meet their requirements. Modest Genius ^talk 10:32, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The beginning of tests of a technology is obviously not ITN material. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not ITN material. Secretlondon (talk) 12:10, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. A military exercise is not ITN-worthy.

675930s (talk) 13:31, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose and SNOW close until they start actually a-landin'. Departure– (talk) 13:33, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above, especially I agree with Tube·of·Light 's comment. Even if it used in a military operation, at that point I think the operation itself would be on ITN instead of the technology itself. SymphonyWizard72 (talk) 13:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Huge Oppose; please SNOW it. It is not much of an event . Yet RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 14:56, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Najmuddin Shaikh

Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2025 April 1 Template:Cob

Oppose, missing sources LuxembourgFan42 (talk) 21:50, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It doesn't have a image and its past recent deaths by now.Roc1233 (Talk | Edits) 01:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:U, if you want to be taken seriously here, I suggest you drop your comments on lack of images. It’s not a criterion for evaluating recent death nominations. See WP:ITNRD. Schwede 66 18:57, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

April 1

RD: John Thornton (venture capitalist)

Strong oppose having this stub on RD. The article currently doesn't focus on why he's notable beyond the passing mention of founding The Texas Tribune. Departure– (talk) 19:48, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't post stubs. Schwede 66 01:47, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose Its a stub and it doesn't have an image.Roc1233 (Talk | Edits) 01:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nuh-uh. Stub articles are never appropriate for the main page. Yeshivish613 (talk) 14:15, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael Hurley

Much of the prose are short, footnote-free paragraphs. The Discography is a long string of unsourced bullet-points. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Johnny Tillotson

Comment The tables at the end of the article are only partially cited. Flip^and Flopped ツ 06:50, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mark Laforest

Comment Career stats need to be cited. Bremps... 00:55, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bremps common practice in WP:NHL is to source stats from the “Biographical information and career statistics from…” sources listed under “External links” (ex. Eliteprospects, HockeyDB, NHL.com, etc), without a direct link in the table. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems ok, the sourcing of the table is clear enough to me. Flip^and Flopped ツ 06:51, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Posted – Schwede 66 09:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: George Freeman (guitarist)

Comment If the discography serves as its own citation, then count this as a support vote. Article in GA quality. Bremps... 00:59, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Bremps above. Yakikaki (talk) 20:31, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede 66 01:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unsourced discography. MOS:LISTOFWORKS is clear on need for sourcing: Template:Tq2—Bagumba (talk) 16:30, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Val Kilmer

Oppose Damn, had hoped this was April Fools but sadly not. Article currently has citation issues though, including most of the filmography. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Really sad. Enjoyed his performances. The article has citing issues, and his death category could use some more. AndrewGarfieldIsTheBestSpiderMan (talk) 04:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support as soon as the article polishing is ready. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:28, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - lots and lots of cites needed unfortunately, and filmography almost entirely uncited. Also, pre-emptively, if anyone thinks of proposing a blurb for this, I'll be opposed to that one. Doesn't meet the stature required for that IMHO. — Amakuru (talk) 10:38, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Famous actor. Scheridon (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: our man here was popular enough to be remembered. But article needs hefty work to be nominated. RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 14:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Still a lot of citation needed tags, and a few uncited and untagged paragraphs in the Career section. Departure– (talk) 14:56, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll say that I strongly oppose a blurb - the article does NOT tell me why they were notable beyond saying they were in big movies. Departure– (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support one of the big box-office draws in the later half of the 1980s and early 1990s though article needs work.

SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be pointed out again that for RDs the only thing that matters is quality, and those votes above just saying support due to him being famous are unhelpful. Masem (t) 15:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb main page news on BBC and CNN. Fdfexoex (talk) 15:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's Val Kilmer, not much more to think through here. If whoever Betty Webb was can go up, he can too. Tidy up the article for sure, but the minute that's done, play ball. Xanblu (talk) 17:03, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the love of god, Template:Tq The Kip ^(contribs) 17:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not WP:BITE. BangJan1999 18:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Still a number of {{cn}} tags, and the filmography is still completely unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 18:10, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Photo distinction maybe? BilboBeggins (talk) 23:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly oppose article as it stands now. Big orange tag at top. Scuba 13:36, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I realize there is a "big orange tag" on the article, but I don't understand why it is there. Kilmer's article has 112 citations. This sadly is the norm at now for recent deaths, where editors are demanding more sources than required by Wikipedia policies, and prevents longer articles like this from getting to the main page while allowing stubby articles to make it on much easier. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:20, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the big orange tag at the top. It seems to apply only to the filmography section (which already has a tag). I added a bunch of references based on Associated Press' article but I don't have time to sift through every single film and TV show (especially the smaller productions) to find all references. I support RD but reserve my judgement on blurb. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 16:27, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, most if not all of the roles in the filmography section are already sourced in the article. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Legendary actor, article looks ready for posting now. Urbanracer34 (talk) 14:39, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Agree of course that he is a huge loss, but sadly there are still many CN tags within the body of the article and the filmography section remains unsourced. Flip^and Flopped ツ 14:01, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Admin comment The article is orange-tagged and that's a showstopper. Schwede 66 01:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I added some references for roles, please help with more. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:37, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Betty Webb

Support Article has no glaring CN issues and is good enough for ITN. Flip^and Flopped ツ 18:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support: no issues and is worthy for being under RD LuxembourgFan42 (talk) 22:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 07:44, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Gas Pipeline Explosion in Malaysia

Not Ready References are badly messed up, only 2 citations in the lead paragraph. This needs alot of fixing. Shaneapickle (talk) 12:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Though the incident had garnered some worldwide attention, I don't think it is notable enough for it to be in ITN. Furthermore the article content need to be reworked Syn73 (talk) 13:05, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose background section has no sources. Besides that, with no deaths and seemingly not-wildly-extensive property damage, I don't really think this rises to the level of ITN. The Kip ^(contribs) 14:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Not enough sources and with no deaths or massive damage. It isn't worthy of ITN LuxembourgFan42 (talk) 22:32, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I'm grateful no-one was killed, but that also means this is a relatively commonplace industrial accident. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:49, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) China imposes temporary blockade on Taiwan

Template:Atop

Oppose doesn't look like there's been any real blockade. Banedon (talk) 07:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's a military exercise, not a blockade. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:14, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not a blockade, which is an act of war and if it actually were a blockade US forces would already be on the way per treaty. 331dot (talk) 09:28, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose run of the mill military exercise. Scuba 10:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose until bombs start falling on Taipei, per all above. Departure– (talk) 12:54, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. These are military exercises in international waters. They're certainly provocative, and China is doing a lot of sabre-rattling today, but it's far from the act of war implied by the nomination. Also, there is zero update in the linked article, and that's too broad a topic anyway - I would expect a stand-alone article to be written before nomination for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 13:09, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Close or preferably, Withdraw If something changes significantly, feel free to nominate again once the target article has been updated. Jehochman ^Talk 13:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and SNOW close So what, average day in the Taiwan strait. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:55, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) NBA fight