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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC) [1].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Tone 20:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tanzania has 7 WHS and a further 7 sites on the tentative list. Standard style. The list for Belgium is already seeing some support so I am adding a new nomination. Tone 20:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- "with a further six on the tentative list." is incorrect there are 7 in the table.
- Rows in the "Year listed" section can be merged if they are the same year.
- Same with the two "several sites" in "Location (region)".
- References should be moved to their own column in tables.
- "United Republic of Tanzania" should be linked not just "Tanzania".
- Should the ten criteria be listed/explained?
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:48, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, thanks! As for merging the year listed and several sites, this is a bad idea since it would ruin the format in a sortable table - sort by another criteria and it results in a mess. Adding refs to an extra column would take valuable space, so the current style is better. And there is a link to the detailed criteria, no need to list them here separately ;) Tone 21:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, @Tone, I support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Normally I would also propose adding a separate column for references, but in this particular case, with the Description cells being occupied by lengthy prose, I think the current format with the references attached to the end of the prose is the best fit. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:02, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, @Tone, I support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, thanks! As for merging the year listed and several sites, this is a bad idea since it would ruin the format in a sortable table - sort by another criteria and it results in a mess. Adding refs to an extra column would take valuable space, so the current style is better. And there is a link to the detailed criteria, no need to list them here separately ;) Tone 21:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Image review by Arconning
- File:Nature of Ngorongoro Conservation Area (47).jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Great Mosque Kilwa Interior.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Acacia (4015643907).jpg - CC BY 2.0
- File:Selous Game Reserve-7.jpg - CC BY 2.0, source link needs to be fixed.
- File:Mt Kilimanjaro view from Marangu.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:House of wonders.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Kondoa mchoro mwambani 2012 Tamino.jpg - This needs a VRT, the site doesn't have the license explicitly stated, the source link needs to be fixed. If this cannot be done, either find another image or leave it blank for now.
- File:Gombe Stream NP Mutter und Kind.jpg - GFDL 1.2
- File:(128) - Jozani Chwaka National Park.jpg - CC BY 2.0, source link needs to be fixed.
- File:Udzungwa Mountains-2.jpg - CC BY 2.0
- File:Livingstone Museum, Itetemia Ward.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Museum für Naturkunde (36556352434).jpg - CC BY 2.0
- All images are relevant to the article, have proper captioning and alt text.
- Here are my comments! Arconning (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! I replaced two and removed the one with the rock art since I didn't find a suitable alternative. Tone 04:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Passing based on image review :) - Arconning (talk) 09:25, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Review by Easternsahara
Support seems to meet all necessary criteria:
- All claims are indeed sourced.
- All sources use DMY.
- All sources except 23 are archived, please archive 23.
- All sources are reliable, secondary or above, and neutral, as they are all UNESCO.
- No duplicate sources exist.
- Article is stable, not edited frequently and edits do not majorly change the article.
- Tables and headings are structured correctly.
- Professional, engaging prose and lead.
- "There ares several vegetation types present" I think "ares" is supposed to be "are".
- No redlinks, but if the "Eastern Arc Mountains Forests of Tanzania", The Central Slave and Ivory Trade Route " and the "Geometric rock art in Lake Victoria Region of Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda* " meet notability standards then consider making them into articles
Great work as always Tone.
Easternsahara (talk) 00:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! I fixed the typo. I tried to archive several times but the bot seems to be running a massive backlog. Will try again eventually. Tone 06:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Checking whether you've addressed all concerns @Tone. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems that the last link is too fresh and the bot does not archive it yet. May try in a couple of months time. The rest is fixed, I think. As for separate articles for some of the sites, yes, eventually, but not as a part of this nomination :) Tone 07:12, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Checking whether you've addressed all concerns @Tone. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support from HAL
- "and natural sites which are important" --> "and natural sites that are important"
- "The Tanzania" - "The" is not needed, right? Was this meant to be the National Assembly?
- "Ngorongoro Conservation Area, in 1979, was the first site in Tanzania to be added to the list. " - slightly awkward wording.
- "The most recent addition were the Kondoa Rock-Art Sites," -- subject-verb agreement issue. I might just rephrase it entirely.
- "because of unplanned tourism development, uncontrolled urban development, pollution, invasive species, and reduced water flows because of droughts and hydroelectric dams upstream" -- I might switch up the second "because" to avoid repetition.
- I think Kili should be mentioned in the lead - it's the tallest free-standing mountain on Earth.
- "The area is home to numerous big animals" - can you state the number of species?
- "endangered black rhinoceros" - maybe mention that it is critically endangered
- "Serengeti is home to one of the largest mammal migration in the world" --> "migrations"
That's all I got. ~ HAL333 17:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Done, thanks! As for Kilimanjaro, the source does not mention the fact so I'd leave it as it is. I removed the "numerous big animals" part since I actually list some later on. Tone 08:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support ~ HAL333 05:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Alavense
- Natural features (consisting of physical and biological formations), geological and physiographical formations (including habitats of threatened species of animals and plants), and natural sites that are important from the point of view of science, conservation, or natural beauty, are defined as natural heritage - I'd suggest losing that last comma.
- as the most recent inscripton - A typo there.
- is the World's largest - Is that capital World necessary?
- namely the sites of Olduvai Gorge and Laetoli where the remains - I suggest adding a comma before where.
- And also losing the next: the remains of early hominins and fossilized footprints, indicating the development of human bipedalism
- with vast herds of wildebeest, zebras, Thomson's gazelles, giraffes, different species of antelopes, and other herbivores move across - Maybe with [...] moving across?
- They were covered by forests, however, due to human activity, forests have been mostly cleared outside the protected areas - I believe but would work better here.
- Picture shows Livingstone's Tembe, the house where the Scottish missionary and opposer of slavery David Livingstone spent some time, is pictured - That needs fixing.
- was officially banned 1873 - in?
That's what I saw. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 13:54, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, fixed all! There will always be typos, what can I say :) Tone 20:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Very interesting read, as is always the case with these lists. Nice work. Support. Alavense (talk) 20:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 16:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC) [2].[reply]
- Nominator(s): TBJ10RH (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for the featured list because the page itself looks well-structured, and detailed, and has an informative record of the RailRiders' seasons-by-season history. The list is easy to read, consistently formatted, and provides a comprehensive look at the team’s performance over the years. It highlights key stats, postseason results, and affiliations, making it an excellent resource for both casual fans and baseball historians. The list’s thorough research, consistent formatting, and clear presentation enhance its value, making it a strong candidate for featured status. It can make an argument to be part of the 4,604 other featured lists.TBJ10RH (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Anyone willing to give feedback for further assistance is appreciated as well. TBJ10RH (talk) 01:27, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OlifanofmrTennant
- The Abbr template on "2,658–2,331" seems unneeded
- The "(.533)" should be in prose otherwise its purpose seems confusing
- A few MOS:DASH violations
- The refs in the results column should be in the ref column, rename the column to "Ref(s)" per the change
- Footnote A should list "Louisville RiverBats" and not just "Louisville"
- Why is "Stats Crew" a reliable source?
- Ping me when done Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:28, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Olif, I appreciate your assistance on helping, making this list in better quality. In regards to your last comment, Stats Crew has been criminally underrated in finding a lot of important baseball statistics that not a lot of major "trusting" websites do on their pages which sometimes removes the aspects of finding great information for lists like these. If you have any ideas on how I can find an alternative site that informs readers about statistics related to the StatCrew page, let me know! I do believe Baseball Reference has this feature so I will double check in case.
- Thanks again!
- Dan TBJ10RH (talk) 02:00, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any specific reason as to why "Stats Crew" is a reliable source? What's their fact checking and editorial policies? Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 09:16, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry for the late response:
- Like Baseball reference, StatsCrew does a lot of source-digging in order to present their information on their website. It appears that the statistics that they have are similar to Baseball-reference, another trustworthy website for baseball statistics. That's why I call them reliable. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:21, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OlifanofmrTennant
- I actually decided to remove StatCrew-related content as I was informed those statistics are open-sourced to the public it could make inaccurate. TBJ10RH (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any specific reason as to why "Stats Crew" is a reliable source? What's their fact checking and editorial policies? Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 09:16, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- In the 2008 row there's a blank line in the "result" column before the reference to the Triple-A championship, but you haven't done the same in the 2016 row
- I don't understand the "result" column for 2021, could you add a footnote making it clearer?
- In the same row, what is "AAAE"? This isn't explained (or even mentioned) anywhere else
- "The 2001 playoffs were cancelled in the wake the September 11 terrorist attacks" - the word "of" is missing
- "Louisville, which had won the first game of the series, 2–1, before its cancellation" - I don't think the score of the individual game is needed
- That's all I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:48, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- All of your points have been heard and done. If you have any more advice, do let me know Chris. In Regards to the "result" column in 2021, I went into extensive research where there was no playoffs held that season (2021).
- Sincerely,
- Dan TBJ10RH (talk) 16:04, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks - can you add a note explaining that the IL (apparently) reverted to that name in 2022.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:18, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, both the new note c and the whole 2021 row in the table seem to be unsourced......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- 1. I will do that, thank you.
- 2. I will source it, thank you.
- Give me 5-10 minutes to complete your wishes sir. TBJ10RH (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, I have submitted citations to further give you some understanding under the revert of the IL league as well as the 2021 row. Any more assistance would be appreciated! TBJ10RH (talk) 16:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- 2021 row is still unsourced (i.e. for their win-loss record, divisional placing, etc). Let me know when that is sorted and I will be happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- > https://ballparkdigest.com/2021/07/02/milb-playoffs-extended-season-on-tap/
- I will use this source to indicate that the 2021 Triple-A Playoffs were not played but rather "continued" regular season. Unsure if I should indicate the "7-3" record that SWB gained during those extended 10 games played. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:27, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I should state that probably with a footnote as well. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Baseball-Reference, Stats Crew, MiLB.com, etc. count the Final Stretch games from 2021 as part of the regular season. However, there are sources saying those games were played after the completion of the regular season, making them de facto "postseason" games. FWIW, the league championship was determined by the standings at the end of the regular season. I'm not offering a solution here, but pointing this out. Also, an em dash is used for every other season in which playoffs were not held or the team did not qualify (instead of cluttering the column with "did not qualify" etc over and over.). NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- 2 questions
- 1. Would it be reasonable to add an em dash as opposed to the title "No playoffs held"?
- 2. Should those "final stretches" count towards regular season/postseason record? TBJ10RH (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I decided that I will add the de facto postseason games TBJ10RH (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I prefer to count them as postseason, like I added to the table in the first place. NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I decided that I will add the de facto postseason games TBJ10RH (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Baseball-Reference, Stats Crew, MiLB.com, etc. count the Final Stretch games from 2021 as part of the regular season. However, there are sources saying those games were played after the completion of the regular season, making them de facto "postseason" games. FWIW, the league championship was determined by the standings at the end of the regular season. I'm not offering a solution here, but pointing this out. Also, an em dash is used for every other season in which playoffs were not held or the team did not qualify (instead of cluttering the column with "did not qualify" etc over and over.). NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I should state that probably with a footnote as well. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You may check again if you want to decide on a decision Chris TBJ10RH (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- 2021 row is still unsourced (i.e. for their win-loss record, divisional placing, etc). Let me know when that is sorted and I will be happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, I have submitted citations to further give you some understanding under the revert of the IL league as well as the 2021 row. Any more assistance would be appreciated! TBJ10RH (talk) 16:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, both the new note c and the whole 2021 row in the table seem to be unsourced......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks - can you add a note explaining that the IL (apparently) reverted to that name in 2022.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:18, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- What does note d "WIP" mean......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:19, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Means Work in Progress. That means I am working on it. Just give it a day for me to do since there is no rush here! TBJ10RH (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Made some fixes :) TBJ10RH (talk) 23:55, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude Let me know if the page meets your expectations! TBJ10RH (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The only ref against the 2021 row doesn't source any of the stats on that row -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I've fixed that. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Nature
- Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 13:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It has been fixed by NatureBoyMD @ChrisTheDude.
- If you have any more advice for me to put, do let me now! :) TBJ10RH (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I've fixed that. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The only ref against the 2021 row doesn't source any of the stats on that row -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude Let me know if the page meets your expectations! TBJ10RH (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Made some fixes :) TBJ10RH (talk) 23:55, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Means Work in Progress. That means I am working on it. Just give it a day for me to do since there is no rush here! TBJ10RH (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! TBJ10RH (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NatureBoyMD
- Lede image: I’d include the team’s full name ("Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders") and link to the team’s article.
- "the franchise has served under two main affiliates:" strike "main" – there aren’t any "minor" affiliates
- I’d expand the lede to include an overview with a brief history of the team’s former Red Barons and Yankees monikers.
- "The team has claimed two league titles (2008 and 2016)." "claimed" > "won"; "league titles" > "International League championships"
- "Additionally, the RailRiders secured one class title" "class title" > "Triple-A championship"
- 4th paragraph: unlink "IL championship" if liked above as mentioned
- "However, under Dave Miley" > add "manager" before his name
- championship celebration image: On my display, the image causes the table to sandwich, resulting in a lot of text wrapping. I'd either remove the image, or shorten the caption.
- I know a lot of people favor using row span (for league and affiliate here), and there may be a policy in favor of such, but I have to scroll down to the row for 2008 before I can see what league they played in. I'd go back to repeating "IL" and their affiliates for each season.
- 2020: Even though the season was cancelled, they were still affiliates of the Yankees, and members of the IL.
- Notes C and D are wordy and repetitive. Maybe shorten it to a single note that appears on 2021's league?
- You have notes "A-D" and "n 1". They should be the same format.
- References should use consistent formatting. 2, 3, and 56, for example, are different from most of those in the table.
- There is an "External links" heading but no external links. Remove it and just have the team navbox under the references.
- NatureBoyMD (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I will do the rest when I get home from school but here is what I've done so far from what you've said:
- Point 2 - Striked out "main."
- Point 4 - Added "manager" before Dave Miley's name
- Point 5 - Shortened the caption to "RailRiders celebrating their the 2016 Triple-A Championship."
- Point 7 - Added "won" and striked out "claimed."
- Point 14 - Externals Links Tab has been removed.
- I will do Point 1, 3, 6, and 8-13 when I get home. TBJ10RH (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- instead of A-D, I did all of them as "N#" if that's alright.
- Other than that, everything seems alright. If you have more advice, please let me know and I will look into it. TBJ10RH (talk) 22:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- For now, I am going to go out and celebrate Nowruz, happy early new years everyone reading this! TBJ10RH (talk) 22:36, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I have returned and am available until 3:20 pm ET today. Any comments directed to be earlier than that and I shall complete the task. TBJ10RH (talk) 14:28, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- For now, I am going to go out and celebrate Nowruz, happy early new years everyone reading this! TBJ10RH (talk) 22:36, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In addition to the above:
- The short description should be "None" per WP:SDEXAMPLES
- The team names do not need to be in bold.
- I'd find a way to merge the first two paragraphs, so the affiliation info isn't so repetitive
- "under two affiliates" > "under two Major League Baseball (MLB) affiliates"
- The championship celebration image caption needs some grammatical work. It is also still sandwiching the table.
- Some references are using sentence case, while others use title case.
- NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:05, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe I have fixed some references regarding that. I made them all "title cases" as opposed to "sentences cases."
- Hope that is alright with you. I will wait until further suggestions/instructions. TBJ10RH (talk) 17:11, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd rewrite the first paragraph as such: The Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders are a Minor League Baseball team that plays in the Scranton–Wilkes-Barre metropolitan area of Pennsylvania. Founded as members of the Triple-A classification International League (IL) in 1989, the team was known as the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons during their Major League Baseball (MLB) affiliation with the Philadelphia Phillies from 1989 to 2006. They became known as the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees in 2007 after affiliating with the New York Yankees. The team rebranded as the RailRiders in 2013 while maintaining their affiliation with New York. In conjunction with the 2021 restructuring of the minor leagues, the RailRiders were placed in the new Triple-A East (AAAE) in 2021,[1] but this league was renamed the International League in 2022.[2]
- I think you can drop the sentence about PNC Park, since the stadium isn't mentioned at all later, but move the reference to the lede image.
- You can lose the references for the RailRiders' rebrand, as the name change is supported by references in the table.
- Changes to the first para as above should mean you don't need notes 3 and 5, which are overly-detailed just to say they played in leagues with different names.
- If you wanted to create a table comparing totals for each MLB affiliate (like Nashville's) and mention the differences in paragraph two, it would be beneficial.
- I'd tweak paragraph three as such for better flow and linking/introducing terms earlier on: Scranton/Wilkes-Barre has won thirteen division championships, including five consecutive titles from 2006 to 2010, along with three wild card playoff berths. They went on to win two International League championships (2008 and 2016) and one Triple-A championship (2016). The RailRiders experienced a difficult start. In their first ten seasons, they made only one postseason appearance—in 1992, which was their only winning season during that period. However, under manager Dave Miley (2007–2015), the RailRiders had a more successful stretch, making nine consecutive postseason appearances and winning seven division titles. Miley also led the team to two IL championship series, winning in 2008 and finishing as the runner-up in 2009.[3]
- Celebration image caption: "The RailRiders celebrating their 2016 Triple-A championship win" (with no period) ... Even at one line of text, it still sandwiches for me, but two lines will display OK on the default Wikipedia skin.
- I think that's all I've got. NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Point #1: Done
- Point #2: Done (I think)
- Point #3: Done
- Point #4: Done
- Point #5:Working on it
- Point #6: Working on it
- Point #7: There was already a period TBJ10RH (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I like the affiliation thing a lot. I do have a question: What is a composite in this context? TBJ10RH (talk) 03:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Never mind, I realized it is the sum of Post+Reg record. TBJ10RH (talk) 03:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I also realized you meant that I remove the period in the text TBJ10RH (talk) 03:30, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Good Evening/Morning Nature. I am done a "affiliation-list" TBJ10RH (talk) 03:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I finish working on what you suggested. TBJ10RH (talk) 14:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Good Evening/Morning Nature. I am done a "affiliation-list" TBJ10RH (talk) 03:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I also realized you meant that I remove the period in the text TBJ10RH (talk) 03:30, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Never mind, I realized it is the sum of Post+Reg record. TBJ10RH (talk) 03:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I like the affiliation thing a lot. I do have a question: What is a composite in this context? TBJ10RH (talk) 03:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally:
- There are two paragraphs in a row beginning with "The team..." in the lede
- Paragraph three is hard to follow with championships listed out of magnitude (league > class > division > wildcard).
- "five consecutive championships" - I know you mean division titles, but a casual reader may not.
- "the RailRiders had a dominant stretch" - I don't think "dominant" adheres to a neutral point-of-view. I would call it a "more successful stretch." They only reached the postseason 6 of 9 years and played for 2 IL championships, winning one... they didn't exactly "dominate" their opponents.
- NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:18, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Point #1: Fixed.
- Point #2: Fixed
- Point #3: Fixed
- Point #4: Fixed. Instead of "dominant," I can reword it as "successful stretch"
- Thank you so much for you advice Nature TBJ10RH (talk) 17:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Looks good to me. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! TBJ10RH (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Looks good to me. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
References
- ^ Mayo, Jonathan (February 12, 2021). "MLB Announces New Minors Teams, Leagues". Major League Baseball. Archived from the original on March 6, 2021. Retrieved February 12, 2021.
- ^ "Historical League Names to Return in 2022". Minor League Baseball. March 16, 2022. Archived from the original on March 25, 2022. Retrieved March 16, 2022.
- ^ "Dave Miley MiLB Coaching Record". Stats Crew. Retrieved January 10, 2025."Dave Miley MiLB Managerial Record". Baseball-Reference. Sports Reference. Retrieved March 16, 2025.
Source review
- Stats Crew does not seem to be a reliable source. I think a discussion at WT:Baseball may be warranted, but the rather disclosure on the credits page about data inaccuracy is concerning. Consider replacing the playoff sources with newspaper reports.
- Second paragraph of the prose needs some citations, even if it is summarizing the data.
- Franchise totals section is completely unsourced.
- The first note does not have any sources. SounderBruce 03:04, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- 1. If this helps, I have removed the Stats Crew sources with Baseball Reference. In regards to a suggestion on newspaper report, the best sources of newspaper having these games are usually gatekept as a subscription, which makes it impossible to find them online.
- Both the The Scranton Times-Tribune and Times Leader are on Newspapers.com, which can be accessed through WP:TWL. If you do not meet the requirements for TWL access, then the resource exchange system can help you with clippings. It seems like the media guide does cover this information this time, but keep this in mind for future nominations.
- 2. Second Bulletin Point request has been fulfilled.
- The new citation needs to include page numbers and a proper publisher rather than leaving a bare URL in the website field.
- 3. I have sourced them all via ref names of Baseball Reference
- Looks good, but again the new citation needs to be fully formatted.
- 4. Sourced. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:21, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The page information is missing from the Times Leader citation.
- 1. If this helps, I have removed the Stats Crew sources with Baseball Reference. In regards to a suggestion on newspaper report, the best sources of newspaper having these games are usually gatekept as a subscription, which makes it impossible to find them online.
- Another issue: there's no links in the citations. Either the first or all uses of the publisher and work/newspaper should be linked to their respective articles. SounderBruce 04:04, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Baseball-Reference informs the season about the 1992 IL season, including all the playoff information for SWB/COL. May I ask which missing citations you are referring to SounderBruce?
- Best Regards,
- Dan TBJ10RH (talk) 16:27, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @SounderBruce May I ask which links are missing in the citations? Any Ref# would be appreciated. TBJ10RH (talk) 16:23, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The 3 Introduction paragraphs seem to look fine as of right now. Obviously, I am not saying that it is the correct version but if you have any advice, do let me know @SounderBruce.
- Happy Wednesday. Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 18:55, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- First of all, please don't ping reviewers twice if there's only been a day since your response. FLC isn't meant to be a source of instant gratification; some people take time to respond and generally a week is when you should start pinging to remind reviewers to check in.
- Citations 11, 19, 23, 31, and 47 need links to their respective publishers and publications. Citation 50 still uses a URL for its work parameter. There are inconsistencies in linking on first-use versus all uses, particularly MiLB and MLB, so iron those out as well. SounderBruce 22:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- First off, I would like to apologize for my misusage of pinging people as I should've known better. I will make sure to consider this going forward. Secondly, I have listened to your suggestion by fixing the cites of #11, #19, #23, #47 & #50. #31 was an archived pdf hence making it harder to change the file. However, I replaced the dead link with the official box score of the game to make it look better.
- Thank you again for your help and I apologize for the amount of pings I've used TBJ10RH (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @SounderBruce Been ~a week, just wanted to check on how your review has been on the article. Let me know what you think sir
- Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 03:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The inconsistent linking has still not been addressed. Times Leader, The Charlotte Observer, The Citizens' Voice, and WNEP-TV should all be linked on their first use. SounderBruce 04:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I have looked over, took your advice, and have made sure it met your suggestions. Let me know if you have any more questions. TBJ10RH (talk) 00:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @SounderBruce for followup. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I still see several citations that don't have links (47) and those that do and are duplicating (5 and 6). Citation 31 should not be repeating the use of Minor League Baseball across two parameters. Citations 2, 3, 31, 49, and 50 should all use the publisher parameter, as they are league publications rather than news articles. I feel that we are stuck in a fix loop that should be resolved at the end of this, but I ask that you make sure that every comment is addressed or acted upon before claiming things have been done. SounderBruce 01:35, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Follow up question: Should I go over any other league publications that may have incorrect citating functions and apply the "|publisher=Insert_Link|" format? TBJ10RH (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The article must use a consistent citation format; whether that is linking all publishers/publications or only on the first use. As of writing, the list is still inconsistent and needs to be resolved; this is a basic part of preparing for a nomination. SounderBruce 07:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Does this include the international league seasons as well? TBJ10RH (talk) 16:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I am asking since the format I am using consistently is the publisher link format (e.g. |publisher=Major League Baseball) TBJ10RH (talk) 17:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Last question: What part of the list is inconsistent? TBJ10RH (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @SounderBruce May I have a follow-up on the questions I've asked from last week please? TBJ10RH (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Once again, this is stuck in a fix loop. Please look at the citations formatting in other FLs and compare them to your list; the switch to "publisher" for newspapers was incorrect. Minor League Baseball is still overlinked. One citation has a MOS:' error ("Red Barons’"). SounderBruce 06:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I added the straight apostrophe via MOS. I checked a featured list (List of Nashville Sounds seasons) and it appears that they use "|work=" mostly for newspaper archived and "|website=" for available ones online. I followed their criteria into current page. TBJ10RH (talk) 17:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The latest change just undid most of the progress made in having a consistent set of links in citations. The first use of a given publisher, newspaper, or website should always be linked if there is something to link to. Removing all of the publisher and work links is not consistent with any of the feedback given so far. I also don't think this list benefits from having a separate "general references" section, which duplicates several existing citations. As such, I cannot pass this source review and don't think I will return to this nomination in its current state. SounderBruce 04:53, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay TBJ10RH (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TBJ10RH: You should still do something about the linking and reference formatting. Personally I choose to link the website, publisher, newspaper, etc. every time instead of at first instance, both options are acceptable. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand Josh. I am going through each link this upcoming weekend. Hopefully, once I do my very best that perhaps Sounder would reconsider but imma go earn it TBJ10RH (talk) 21:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I will respond to this again (after this comment is sent) once I finish Sounder's request. TBJ10RH (talk) 15:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @SounderBruce Good afternoon Bruce, hope you are doing well. I know you are not interested in returning into the thread any time soon but I do want to say that I've made some strides of improvements to fit what you described originally. I understand the way I write can be considered a fix loop but I am just learning for a first-time experience so I can limit my mistakes on future cases. Anyways, if you have any feedback for anything else, please let me know by pinging me.
- Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 19:17, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I will respond to this again (after this comment is sent) once I finish Sounder's request. TBJ10RH (talk) 15:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand Josh. I am going through each link this upcoming weekend. Hopefully, once I do my very best that perhaps Sounder would reconsider but imma go earn it TBJ10RH (talk) 21:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TBJ10RH: You should still do something about the linking and reference formatting. Personally I choose to link the website, publisher, newspaper, etc. every time instead of at first instance, both options are acceptable. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay TBJ10RH (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The latest change just undid most of the progress made in having a consistent set of links in citations. The first use of a given publisher, newspaper, or website should always be linked if there is something to link to. Removing all of the publisher and work links is not consistent with any of the feedback given so far. I also don't think this list benefits from having a separate "general references" section, which duplicates several existing citations. As such, I cannot pass this source review and don't think I will return to this nomination in its current state. SounderBruce 04:53, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I added the straight apostrophe via MOS. I checked a featured list (List of Nashville Sounds seasons) and it appears that they use "|work=" mostly for newspaper archived and "|website=" for available ones online. I followed their criteria into current page. TBJ10RH (talk) 17:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Once again, this is stuck in a fix loop. Please look at the citations formatting in other FLs and compare them to your list; the switch to "publisher" for newspapers was incorrect. Minor League Baseball is still overlinked. One citation has a MOS:' error ("Red Barons’"). SounderBruce 06:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @SounderBruce May I have a follow-up on the questions I've asked from last week please? TBJ10RH (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Last question: What part of the list is inconsistent? TBJ10RH (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I am asking since the format I am using consistently is the publisher link format (e.g. |publisher=Major League Baseball) TBJ10RH (talk) 17:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Does this include the international league seasons as well? TBJ10RH (talk) 16:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The article must use a consistent citation format; whether that is linking all publishers/publications or only on the first use. As of writing, the list is still inconsistent and needs to be resolved; this is a basic part of preparing for a nomination. SounderBruce 07:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Follow up question: Should I go over any other league publications that may have incorrect citating functions and apply the "|publisher=Insert_Link|" format? TBJ10RH (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I have looked over, took your advice, and have made sure it met your suggestions. Let me know if you have any more questions. TBJ10RH (talk) 00:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The inconsistent linking has still not been addressed. Times Leader, The Charlotte Observer, The Citizens' Voice, and WNEP-TV should all be linked on their first use. SounderBruce 04:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @SounderBruce May I ask which links are missing in the citations? Any Ref# would be appreciated. TBJ10RH (talk) 16:23, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- All sources should be archived.
- Baseball-reference seems to be over-relied on, are there any other usable sources.
- In visual edit mode, there are two reflists, one should be removed, I don't mean the genneral section, the first one has a duplicate.
- A use American English template should be added to the top
- When rows are the same they should be merged.
- Seasons should be linked in the table.
- An awards section should be added to the table if the MiLB has awards.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:09, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, will let you know by next month.
- Best regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 18:16, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042:
- I don't see an issue with the usage of Baseball-reference in this case
- Awards are not mandatory for inclusion, but it's a fine suggestion
- Archiving is fine, but not an outright requirement
- When rows are the same they should be merged is not necessarily true. There's times when it's appropriate and times when it's not
- Just a few notes for future reviews. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh The awards are currently in the SWB RailRiders page but is soon going to be in a different redirect page once I finish the team's awards page as part of a mini-wikiproject. Rest assured. TBJ10RH (talk) 14:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042 Other than the awards, which would be its own section later (Inspired by List of Nashville Sounds awards, All-Stars, and league leaders), I think Josh and I have listened to your request. If you have a new suggestion for the list, go ahead! :D
- Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 17:07, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:46, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you so much. TBJ10RH (talk) 20:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:46, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Image review – The two photos used both have appropriate free licenses, captions and alt text. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:29, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Giants2008 Awesome! Thank you! TBJ10RH (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update
Split-Season Records have now been added because since 2023, the IL has been using that system for playoff implications. I hope you all like it! Vouched by NatureBoyMD.
Best regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 12:02, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 16:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you so much TBJ10RH (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2025 (UTC) [3].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Cremastra talk 00:21, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I think it is an informative and comprehensive list, on a well-researched subject (British fauna tend to be relatively well-studied), about an interesting and very diverse clade. Cremastra talk 00:21, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Generalissima
- You can drop the first sentence of the lead paragraph - it seems like awkward way to fit in a bold title drop, which isn't necessary and bucks MOS. If you need those citations for the table, use them to cite the "There are fifty-nine native species of longhorn beetle in Great Britain, in five subfamilies." line.
- And once you take out that sentence, i'd actually move the sentence that starts with There are fifty-nine native species of longhorn beetle to the beginning, as it introduces the topic of the article well before getting into context on the beetles.
- Done
- And once you take out that sentence, i'd actually move the sentence that starts with There are fifty-nine native species of longhorn beetle to the beginning, as it introduces the topic of the article well before getting into context on the beetles.
- Any information on how this diversity compares to other beetle genera in Britain?
- I don't think the name "longhorn beetle (Cerambycidae)" in the title is necessary, but it would be fine in the lede sentence. "Longhorn beetle" doesn't seem ambiguous, so I think you can safely rename it to "List of longhorn beetle species recorded in Britain" per Wikipedia:CONCISE
- Done
- Indented common names look a bit strange to me, especially as it often makes the names span two lines when it wouldn't otherwise. Is this a style convention for these sorts of lists? I'm not super familiar.
- I don't think the periods are necessary in the Distribution fields, as these are not full sentences.
- Done
- West-central Asia is a bit ambiguous to me - is it the western portion of Central Asia, or West Asia and Central Asia, or a region encompassing parts of both?
- Done
- "Throughout Europe; Turkey also" is a bit awkwardly phrased - I'd do "Europe and Asia Minor"
- Done
- Some species are listed as "throughout" Europe/Eurasia, while others simply say they're in Europe or Eurasia. As you'd be listing a smaller region if it wasn't throughout the region, I think you can drop that adjective.
- Done except for the ones where "throughout" is a clear improvement
- Is there really a meaningful difference between a distribution across Eurasia and a distribution across the Palearctic realm? I mean, unless the former is including the Indomalayan realm, in which case you should just say that; but I'm thinking that the biogeographical realms are a bit too technical, and you should just say Eurasia.
- There is a difference, beacuse the Palearctic includes North Africa. For example, the musk beetle is "widespread from North Africa to Japan", which is the Palearctic realm precisely, but calling that a distribution across Eurasia would not be truthful. I'd have to say "Eurasia, excluding southeast Asia, and North Africa," which is a bit longer. The biogeographical realms are useful descriptors of the range because they usually align pretty well with the range – because they're biology focused and pay attention to habitat and climate, not human boundaries.
- Mainly southern and western Europe Southern and Western should be capitalized here, as they're part of proper nouns
- Caucasia is inconsistently linked
- Russia's Far East - Russian Far East is a bit clearer.
- Done
- Link Kent
- Done
- You're inconsistent in linking the cardinal direction based regions of England - I'd leave out links for these, but your choice, just be consistent.
- At first reading this comment I thought I should link all of them, but I've changed my mind. Unlinked.
- "South east England" -> "South East England"
- Done
- I think the ones that start with "Rare:" or "Scarce:" can have that incorporated into the sentence more clearly, in line with the ones that say "Common" (eg, "Scarce and patchily distributed south of the Midlands", "Rare, patchily distributed across England"
- Done
- Some of these certainly seem like they'd be rare if they're only found in one location (like Judolia sexmaculata); are they just common within this area? Is there just no data?
- I'm distinguishing between species which are explicitly labelled "rare" in Britain and those which merely have limited observations.
- I'd incorporate commonality into each of the British island distribution descriptions unless there literally isn't any source that says it (to avoid ones that aren't just "Southern England" and nothing else)
- "Mostly found in southern England" and where else?
- Fixed
- If you're linking Southern England, you should certainly link the Midlands
- Images need alt-text.
That's all from me, Cremastra! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 02:48, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments, Generalissima. Cremastra talk 14:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima What is generally expected for alt-text in this context? Just something along the lines of "a red and black beetle"? Cremastra talk 21:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Although actually I'd argue that the images are primarily decorative rather than informative. Cremastra talk 21:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cremastra: I don't think that's true, they're quite informative for identifying the animal. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:04, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, that should be fine. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima have all your concerns been addressed? Cremastra (u — c) 00:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Although actually I'd argue that the images are primarily decorative rather than informative. Cremastra talk 21:54, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima What is generally expected for alt-text in this context? Just something along the lines of "a red and black beetle"? Cremastra talk 21:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments, Generalissima. Cremastra talk 14:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding
!scope=col
to each header cell, e.g.!Species
becomes!scope=col | Species
. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use!scope=colgroup
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.|''[[Anaglyptus mysticus]]''...
becomes!scope=row | ''[[Anaglyptus mysticus]]''...
. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear.
--MikeVitale 20:31, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MikeVitale All done. Cremastra talk 21:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Nicely done. Support. --MikeVitale 00:41, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "There are fifty-nine native species known from Britain" - you already said that three sentences earlier, no need to say it again
- "but a handful of species now believed to be" => "but a handful of species are now believed to be"
- Any entry in "distribution" and "Distribution in Britain" which is not a sentence (which is basically all of them) should not have a full stop
- That's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:22, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks; I've done the first two and am working on the third. Cremastra talk 14:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude All done. Cremastra talk 21:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @ChrisTheDude to see if all concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude All done. Cremastra talk 21:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks; I've done the first two and am working on the third. Cremastra talk 14:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Further comment
- "A few species known from accidental introductions, and a handful are now believed to be extirpated from the island" - this doesn't seem to make grammatical sense. Is there a verb missing from the first part of the sentence....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:24, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even more comments
- "are among the most diverse and important beetle families. Around 35,000 species are known.[5] A few species are known from accidental introductions,[6] and a handful are now believed to be extirpated from the island." - this is slightly confusing because (presumably) the first part refers to worldwide coverage but the second part (presumably) refers only to GB but doesn't explicitly say so.....
- "Rare species found in only in the Scottish Highlands" - there's a spare "in" in there
- "also found southern England" - conversely there's an "in" missing there -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Following up to make sure @Cremastra has seen these comments. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, I've finished making these changes. Cremastra talk 20:56, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Following up to make sure @Cremastra has seen these comments. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IntentionallyDense
- remove www from website parameters in the citations
- Around 35,000 species are known.[5] A few species known from accidental introductions,[6] and a handful are now believed to be extirpated from the island. hmm I think this could use some work prose wise, maybe something like Around 35,000 species are known; a few species known from accidental introductions, and a handful are now believed to be extirpated from the island. additionally, I'm not sure what you mean by accidental introductions, maybe a change of wording would help clarify?
- excepting some remote did you mean "except in"?
- No, both are fine. Cremastra talk 20:46, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There are fifty-nine native species of longhorn beetle in Great Britain, in five subfamilies. may sound better as "classified into five subfamiliaes", also does this need a source?
- Your capitalization of terms such as "south-west" and other geographical titles is inconsistent.
That's all for now. Ping when done. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:08, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @Cremastra to check whether all feedback has bene addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In this section, yes. I'm still working on the alt-text. Cremastra talk 19:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Checking with @IntentionallyDense to see if all the concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cremastra Have you had time to add alt text? IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 14:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Almost done. Sorry, I've been busy in real life lately and haven't had time for many long editing sessions. Cremastra (u — c) 22:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on prose. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 01:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Almost done. Sorry, I've been busy in real life lately and haven't had time for many long editing sessions. Cremastra (u — c) 22:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cremastra Have you had time to add alt text? IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 14:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Checking with @IntentionallyDense to see if all the concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In this section, yes. I'm still working on the alt-text. Cremastra talk 19:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reconrabbit
- Image review
- As Generalissima stated above, images need alt text.
- File:Clytus arietis (Linnaeus, 1758).png, File:Plagionotus arcuatus MDj3.jpg, File:Acanthocinus aedilis-s.jpg, File:Pogonocherus fasciculatus up.jpg, File:Pogonocherus hispidulus (Piller & Mitterpacher, 1783).png, File:Saperda carcharias 01 (MK).jpg, File:Tetrops starkii Chevrolat, 1859.png, File:Grammoptera abdominalis (Stephens, 1831).png, File:Tetropium castaneum (Linnaeus, 1758).png - CC-BY-SA 4.0.
- File:Poecilium alni above.jpg, File:Saperda scalaris up.jpg, File:Pseudovadonia livida up.JPG, File:Agapanthia cardui side.JPG - GNU 1.2 and other CC options.
- File:Pyrrhidium-sanguineum-12-fws.jpg, File:Agapanthia-villosoviridescens-09-fws.jpg, File:Alosterna-tabacicolor-17-fws.jpg, File:Dinoptera-collaris-13-fws.jpg, File:Leptura-quadrifasciata-06-fws.jpg, File:Phymatodes-testaceus-05-fws.jpg, File:Rhagium-bifasciatum-05-fws.jpg, File:Rhagium-inquisitor-04-fws.jpg, File:Rhagium-mordax-10-fws.jpg, File:Rutpela-maculata-08-fws.jpg, File:Stenocorus-meridianus-01-fws.jpg, File:Stenurella-nigra-06-fws.jpg, File:Prionus-coriarius-08-fws.jpg - CC0 as published by Francisco Welter-Schultes (User:Kryp).
- File:Burnt-tip grammoptera, Fairview Lane, Tunbridge Wells imported from iNaturalist photo 39401234.jpg, File:Rust Pine Borer, 93437 Furth im Wald, Deutschland imported from iNaturalist photo 300747615.jpg - iNaturalist imports, CC-BY 4.0.
- All other images have been imported from Flickr, are sourced, and are CC-BY-SA or CC-BY 2.0.
- Alt-text missing is the only problem I find here. -- Reconrabbit 17:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Following up with @Cremastra to see if all aspects have been addressed. Please ping Reconrabbit when you reply if so. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima, IntentionallyDense, and Reconrabbit: I have finished adding alt-text to all images. Cremastra (u — c) 16:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I give it a pass on image review and support as I see nothing else missing or needing correction that hasn't already been brought up/fixed. -- Reconrabbit 13:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 16:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Olliefant (she/her) 19:29, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've been working a few items based around the politics of Delaware because the politics of my home state make me sad. Anyways as far as I'm aware this is the first Electoral history of X flc. I asked on the FLC talk page if this met the criteria and was met with a resounding "yeah". Olliefant (she/her) 19:29, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by comment
"Kids" is not an encyclopedia term unless referring to goats; I recommend "children" instead. Additionally, the 1978 map is out of proportion to the other maps; I recommend they be of the same size and scale. Will add more later when I have more time. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:38, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the comment, image used for 78 was smaller than the one used for the others. I have changed it on commons so it should hopefully update on enwiki soon. Olliefant (she/her) 19:48, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It now displays the same size as the others. This is an interesting article; I look forward to examining it more closely later. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:00, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- In the first paragraph of the lead, three out of the four sentences start "Biden". Change at least one to "He" to mix it up a bit Done
- "In 1972, at age 29 he became" => " In 1972, at age 29, he became" Done
- "he won re-elected" - think there's a typo here Done
- "All of Biden's senatorial and his county council campaigns " => "All of Biden's senatorial and county council campaigns " Done
- "Following, Sanders withdrawing" => "Following Sanders withdrawing" Done
- "Biden was [...] and breaking the record" => "Biden was [...] and broke the record" Done
- "fourth district of the New Castle County council." - in the lead you wrote "County Councilman" with two capital Cs so I presume the same should apply here Done
- " At the time of Biden's election the state's politics were dominated by Republicans" - link Republicans Done
- "Though shortly after beginning his seventh term he resigned due to being elected to the Vice Presidency." - this is a sentence fragment, not a complete sentence Done
- " Brady's campaign raised around 245 thousand, she was heavily outspent by Biden who raised around 2.8 million" - this obviously refers to dollars but you actually need to state that Done
- "However following reports that he had plagiarized a speech by Neil Kinnock the leader of the British Labour Party, he withdrew" => "However, following reports that he had plagiarized a speech by Neil Kinnock, the leader of the British Labour Party, he withdrew". Also, as the name of the party is not "British Labour Party", I would link only the words "Labour Party", leaving "British" as an unlinked qualifier Done
- In the 2008 primaries table, what does "scattering" mean? Is there an appropriate link?
- Changed to Others
- 2008 general election table should sort on the surnames of the candidates, not their forenames
- Same for 2012
- "Kamala Harris, became the first woman " - no need for a comma there Done
- I feel that there is some info missing at the start of the 2024 section along the lines of "Biden announced in [whenever] that he would run again in 2024", that sort of thing Done
- Notes a and b are not sentences so should not have full stops done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:34, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: I tried to sort the table but I have no clue how and the templates page is unclear. Olliefant (she/her) 17:07, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you mean the sorting? All you need to do is use a sorting template, so instead of having, for example, [[Joe Biden]] you have {{sortname|Joe|Biden}}. That will make is sort based on B rather than J.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: my bad I completely forgot about sorting templates I was trying to use the data sort value parameter. It's done now Olliefant (she/her) 21:18, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you mean the sorting? All you need to do is use a sorting template, so instead of having, for example, [[Joe Biden]] you have {{sortname|Joe|Biden}}. That will make is sort based on B rather than J.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:02, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- All tables should sort by last name not first name. Done
- I believe it should be written out when someone gets 0 electoral votes instead what look like missing info. An example being Jo Jorgensen in the 2020 United States presidential election. Done
- There shouldn't be spaces before citations. An example is citation 59 in 2008 United States presidential election.
- That's how the template is
- All online sources should be archived. done
- Please make all date formatting consistent in sources. Done
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: Olliefant (she/her) 05:24, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, History6042😊 (Contact me) 09:21, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source review by Bgsu98
OlifanofmrTennant, I owe you an apology. I said I would come back to this article to do a review (as seen above) and I never did. To make up for that, I will do the source review that usually ends up being the last thing needed. If I see anything that catches my attention, I will mention it here, but the focus will be on the sources.
- All sources need to be archived. Several are not.
- Publications, whether print or on-line, should have appropriate wikilinks (for example, The New York Times).
- Sources appear to have a consistent date format.
- This may just be a personal preference, but if I know I'm going to use a source more than once, I assign it a <ref name> rather than letting Wikipedia assign a numerical code. In fact, some of your references do have manually-entered names. For example, [1] is named "Emmrich". But then [2] is named ":2" (a Wikipedia-assigned name). I'm thinking they should be consistent, and the numbered references make it difficult (in my opinion) to edit an article in source mode.
- I spot-checked the following sources chosen at random:
- No. 8 – Checks out.
- No. 21 – Checks out, although you need a comma after "re-elected". Done
- No. 35 – Checks out.
- No. 46 – This needs to be noted as "subscription required". Also, it verifies Dukakis' nomination, but not the result of the general election. Additionally, you need a comma after "Dukakis". Done
- No. 73 – Checks out.
- No. 85 – Checks out.
- No. 58 – Checks out; this verifies the results as shown on the table. Just FYI, you can insert the source after the table header rather than having it notated at the bottom. done For example:
Candidate | Running mate | Party | Popular vote | Electoral vote | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Votes | % | Votes | % | ||||
Barack Obama | Joe Biden | Democratic | 69,498,516 | 52.91 | 365 | 67.84 | |
John McCain | Sarah Palin | Republican | 59,948,323 | 45.64 | 173 | 32.16 | |
Ralph Nader | Matt Gonzalez | Independent | 739,034 | 0.56 | 0 | 0.00 | |
Bob Barr | Wayne Allyn Root | Libertarian | 523,715 | 0.40 | 0 | 0.00 | |
Chuck Baldwin | Darrell Castle | Constitution | 199,750 | 0.15 | 0 | 0.00 | |
Cynthia McKinney | Rosa Clemente | Green | 161,797 | 0.12 | 0 | 0.00 | |
Others | 290,626 | 0.22 | 0 | 0.00 | |||
Total | 131,361,761 | 100.00 | 538 | 100.00 |
Observations:
- "Brady's campaign raised around 245 thousand dollars, she was heavily outspent by Biden who raised around 2.8 million dollars." That comma should be a semicolon. Also, is "245 thousand dollars" the best way to notate that? I would go with "$245,000". Is there a Wikipedia policy on currency notations?
- I dont belive so, but I have made the change
- Also, you have two blue links next to each other with Attorney General of Delaware M. Jane Brady. I would reword that to say "defeating M. Jane Brady, the deputy Attorney General of Delaware. Done
Please let me know if you have any questions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:58, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- OlifanofmrTennant, if you are going to change the one presidential table to put the source in the header (which I think is an improvement), you should do the same for the 2020 election table as well.
- I went ahead and fixed that one reference that another user had reverted. I may be wrong, but I think wiki-nicknames for sources can't have spaces. Either way, it should be fine now. I also resized the one map of Delaware that was displaying smaller than the others. I will go through and perform another spot-check shortly and if there are any other concerns, I will list them below. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm nearly done with the suggestions (just have to manually archive the sources IAbot missed) just wanted to I appricate the source review but understand that your under no obligation to review things, Wikipedia is at the end of the day a purely voluntary thing Olliefant (she/her) 15:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I know, but if I promise to do something, I try to make sure I do it. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Spot Check
- Several sources still need to be archived (No. 1, No. 3, No. 7, No. 9, No. 11, No. 17, No. 21, No. 24, No. 28, No. 30, No. 34, No. 35, No. 40, No. 51, No. 55, No. 57, No. 58, No. 61, No. 63, No. No. 65, No. 76, No. 78, No. 94, No. 96, No. 97)
- Links that require subscriptions may not be archivable, so I tried not to list those.
- Source No. 14 should be marked as "subscription required". (Anything from the Los Angeles Times requires a subscription.)
- Source No. 56 – CNN should be wikilinked.
- Source No. 32 should be marked as "subscription required".
- Source No. 62 should be marked as "subscription required".
- Following up to make sure @OlifanofmrTennant has seen the feedback. If so, please ping Bgsu98 when you respond. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I’ve seen the feedback and acted on most of it just haven’t had a chance to do the manual archiving yet. Olliefant (she/her) 19:22, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll try and help you out this evening if I have some time. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:24, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: done Olliefant (she/her) 00:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I saw one source that still needed to be archived, so I went ahead and did that for you. I also like how you've made the maps of Delaware a little smaller, but still consistent with each other. I'm happy to support this article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:50, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: done Olliefant (she/her) 00:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll try and help you out this evening if I have some time. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:24, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 16:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC) [5].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since U.S. Figure Skating Championships was just promoted to Featured List, I am now nominating this one as well. The results are all sourced and documented, the tables are properly formatted, a history is provided, I believe the sources are properly formatted, and relevant photographs are used to reflect both the present day and historical contexts. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or comments, and thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- As this is a British topic then British English should be used per MOS:TIES. Therefore "organized" should be "organised", "focused" should be "focussed", "recognized" should be "recognised", "medalists" should be "medallists"
- "a separate competition for women was established in 1927" - wasn't Madge Sayers a woman? Was the competition mixed prior to this?
- Yes, as I wrote at the beginning of the paragraph, women were not barred from competing even though figure skating was (at the time) dominated by men. So, yes, several women did compete prior to the establishment of a separate women's event. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, I was referring to the lead...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, okay, I'm sorry. I see now that I used that same sentence twice. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you add to the lead as well as the body that the competition was originally mixed? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, I was referring to the lead...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There is stuff in the lead (e.g. the fact that they are held in Sheffield) which is not in the body
Done Re-located elsewhere. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any way to merge the last three micro-paragraphs in the History section either with each other or into other paragraphs?
- The flag icons in the tables violate MOS:FLAG as they are not accompanied by any other way of identifying the countries. In particular it's essentially impossible at that size to distinguish between the flags of Australia and New Zealand
Done I believe my solution should solve this problem. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Some of the events are listed as being held in Golders Green, Streatham, Westminster, etc, all of which are districts of London, but others just show "London" generically. Is it not known exactly where they were held?
- Okay, I am not familiar with which of those locations might be London districts (well, I did recognize Wembley). I went by what the sources stated, and some of them did not identify a location other than the ice rink. If I find out where in London an ice rink is located, does that qualify as original research? Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude, all should be addressed except for the last point where I raised a question. Let me know when you have a chance, and thank you for your feedback! Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude, I see from your profile that you are in the U.K., which is very cool. Let me know whether you think that if I investigate where the ice rinks as sourced are located in London, if that would qualify as original research. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If the sources just specify London, then it's fine as it is -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude, please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions! Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll take another look later..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - apologies for forgetting to check back until now
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:01, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you so much; I appreciate your time and constructive feedback! Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
Leaving a placeholder comment here. My schedule is a bit hectic through Monday so ping me if I haven't returned within a week. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "
The results of the competition are among the criteria used to determine the British entries to the World Figure Skating Championships, the World Junior Figure Skating Championships, the European Figure Skating Championships, and the Winter Olympics.
" - none of this is actually mentioned in the article, which is a MOS:LEAD violation
- As usual, "Swedish Challenge Cup" should probably redirect to that section, or the text shouldn't be in bold
- I honestly thought I'd already created a redirect.
Done Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:35, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I honestly thought I'd already created a redirect.
- "
Although figure skating at this time was dominated by men, and women also competed in the championships, a separate category for women was established in 1927.
" - this reads a little odd, perhaps swapping the first two bits around, something like: "Although women competed in the competition, figure skating was dominated by men at the time so a separate category for women was established in 1927."
- "
The British Championships were open to skaters from members of the British Commonwealth; skaters from Australia, Canada, and South Africa occasionally competed.
" - are these the only other countries that skaters are allowed to compete from? Are others allowed but no one ever has? Might be good to expand on this briefly into general competition eligibility in terms of nationality.
- As I understand it, anyone from a Commonwealth nation could compete, but those three are really the only ones that had notable skating programs. Also New Zealand. As for whether other skaters competed, I'm not really sure, since the results never really expounded on anyone other than the top 3 in any given competition. If skaters from, say, New Zealand also competed, but placed lower than third, it wouldn't have been publicized. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "
Since 2010, the British Championships have been held at IceSheffield in Sheffield.
" - perhaps a brief mention of places other competitions have been held? Looking at the table I know it would quickly turn INDISCRIMINATE to list every location, but places like London for example is a prime example where it's actually been held more times than Sheffield.
- I only mentioned Sheffield because it has become the de facto permanent home of the championships. If, at some point in the future, the location changes, I'd just remove this. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- On second thought, I just removed it altogether. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:49, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other than that everything looks good! Tables have captions, images have alt text. Nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- TheDoctorWho, Thank you for your feedback! Let me know if you have any other comments or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I totally didn't misread the part about the British Commonwealth when I reviewed this, that statement should be fine as is. Everything else was addressed, so I'm happy to support! TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:34, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OlifanofmrTennant
- "They have been interrupted only three times since their inception." when where those times?
- Those are cited in the history section. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Paragraph two in the lead is one big sentence. Could it be broken up?
- I just joined it to the following paragraph. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note the former name in the lead
- I don't think the "(with x)" need to be in parentheses.
- I really think they need to be somehow offset. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "The British Championships were open to skaters from members of the British Commonwealth; skaters from Australia, Canada, and South Africa occasionally competed." I don't think the second half is needed as the first half states that commonwealth members can partake
- I wanted to specify those countries because they show up on the tables. Therefore, a reader isn't wondering why someone from Canada medaled at the British Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Occasionally the completion wont happen but a city is still listed, for example 1949 says "No men's competitors" yet lists London.
- There was a competition in London, but there was no men's event. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The records section is unsourced, yet the information is sourced in the lead. Could these citations be move out of the lead and into the records section per WP:LEADCITE
Done That's interesting. No one has ever brought that up before on previous articles, but I did move them down to the table. I think it looks better that way, too. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Separate English style championships continued in Great Britain, but they were not recognised as the official British Championships." citation needed
- Removed altogether. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Ping me when done Olliefant (she/her) 17:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- OlifanofmrTennant, thank you for your feedback! Please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
- Not all references have archive links. (Examples include, but are not limited to, sources #2, 6, 76, and 151.)
- Those appear to be newspapers.com articles, which for a while were not archivable. I think that problem has been fixed, so I can address those when I get home this afternoon.
- All sources should now be archived.
- All newspapers.com links should probably have some kind of
|url-access
parameter included, as they appear to require at least registration, if not payment after 7 days of usage.
- As I understand it, once the newspapers.com article has been clipped, it is visible to any and all regardless of registration.
- Got it RE: clippings from newspapers.com
Spot-checking sources:
- Source 2 says that the name change from "Swedish Challenge Cup" took place in 1906, but the list article text says that happened in 1904. Though the newspaper article is blurry, you can confirm that it at least did NOT happen in 1904, since the newspaper article goes on to state "In that year it was on by Mr. H. Torromé" -- he won in 1905 and 1906 according to the list article, but not in 1904.
Done That must have been an error on my part, so I fixed it.
- Source 14 checks out.
- Source 33 checks out.
- Source 51: missing page number (page 26). Otherwise checks out.
Done It was also missing the volume and issue numbers. All added.
- Source 63 checks out.
- Source 77 checks out.
- Source 81 checks out.
- Source 94: Does not appear to check out at all. Absolutely nothing in the source appears to match up with where it's used in the article -- not even plus-or-minus one year.
- Are you sure you're not looking at the lists labeled primary? That's the level below junior and is usually for children. You want to examine the junior and senior lists.
- You're correct. I was looking at primary and thinking that they were the "main" contestants, and not scrolling down in the source far enough. It checks out.
- Source 108 checks out.
- Sources 130 and 131 check out.
- Source 145 checks out.
- Source 155 checks out.
Overall, an amazing number of sources. Though, for an article that covers 120+ years of competition, and multiple events within that competition, it's understandable. Please fix the above. I'm concerned about Source 94 -- and how many others like that might be lurking. --MikeVitale 03:54, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the source review! I appreciate your time. I will examine the sources you've identified as missing archives when I get home, as the school's network has blocked the internet archive website (for whatever reason). Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:15, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- User:MikeVitale, all of your comments should now be addressed and all sources should be archived. Please let me know if you have any further concerns. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to support after follow-up. --MikeVitale 03:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 17:11, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC) [6].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Drat8sub (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because it follows all necessary wikipedia guidelines and policies along with the criteria for FLC.
For reviewers, I had nominatd this article before, once not promoted because I was out of wikipedia for 2 years after nominating and could not address the reviewer's concerns, and the other time, there was not enough users available for review, was listed for urgent need of review and eventually closed without promoting. Hopefully, I will stick here this time and significant number of reviewers may help the article to get FL status. Expanded the article with addition of more awardees following all the required guidelines. Drat8sub (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Drive-by comment: Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code. For your tables, you can convert the first multi-column row into a caption. That should fix the issue. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:02, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]- Hello @MPGuy2824:, I think now it's ok. Added the needed caption. Kindly check anything else need to be fixed. Thank you for review. Drat8sub (talk) 11:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello @MPGuy2824:, kindly respond, check if the above mentioned concern is addressed or any other fixation needed. Drat8sub (talk) 07:32, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey, drive-by comments are usually things that the person saw in passing, not when they did a full review. In this case, yes, you've fixed the problem that I pointed out above. I'm not adding my support only because I haven't done a full review. If I do that in the future, I'll add my comments and/or my support. Cheers! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:37, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Accessibility Review
- Everything appears to be in place as far as tables go. Row and column scopes are proper. Thanks to MPGuy2824 above (and Drat8sub for responding so quickly), tables already have captions.
- Support. --MikeVitale 01:33, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your time. Kindly check my comments at your nomination page. Drat8sub (talk) 12:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "are the annual football awards presented to the best footballers in India by the All India Football Federation" - three uses of "football" seems a bit much, I think we could lose the first one
- "Sunil Chhetri has won the award a record seven times" - I would move this to after "do so"
- "Jo Paul Ancheri, Bhaichung Bhutia and Lallianzuala Chhangte each won the award twice" => "Jo Paul Ancheri, Bhaichung Bhutia and Lallianzuala Chhangte have each won the award twice"
- "Chhangte is also the most recent winner in men's category" => "Chhangte is also the most recent winner in the men's category"
- "Pyari Xaxa became the inaugural winner of the award in women's category" => "Pyari Xaxa became the inaugural winner of the award in the women's category"
- "was mostly awarded in the end of that year" => "was mostly awarded at the end of that year"
- "Since 2018, the award was given for a football season and being awarded in the mid of the year." => "Since 2018, the award has been given for a football season and awarded in the middle of the year." -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:00, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @Drat8sub for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Was no activity for two weeks...didn't check :) Thanks for the ping. Drat8sub (talk) 19:43, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Fixed all the above concern. Kindly, check if there is any more to be fixed. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 19:45, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello Dude, I have recently make some small tweaks and changes with this edit. Do you think anything needed to be fixed ? Kindly reply. Drat8sub (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @Drat8sub for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:24, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Vestrian24Bio
- Should add "Indian" to the short description.
- Added.
- The awards page on the aiff website should be the website link for the infobox.
- There is no specific section for "awards" in the website.
- The publishers of the refernces should be properly added instead of websites.
- Not necessary actually, just have to be consistent. Wherever, there is a citation of news website/newpaper used, I have added accordingly, but if you are asking about the-aiff.com then, in most of the football related articles here including GA or FA, the-afc.com is used instead of AFC as Publisher, fifa.com instead of FIFA, olympics.com for Olympics, since they are not publishing house rather websites of these federations or organisation, thus in consistent with these the-aiff.com and olympics.com are kept and used throughout the football project.
- Should add refs directly discussing Multiple winners.
- Not necessary, used in the prose above and the first table has reference for each awards.
that's all for now. Vestrian24Bio 11:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vestrian24Bio:, kindly check above comments and let me know if anything else needed to be fixed or addressed. Drat8sub (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Drat8sub:
- According to WP:CS1,
Do not append ".com" or the like if the site's actual title does not include it
andIf no clear title can be identified, or the title explicitly is the domain name, then use the site's domain name
- in which caseCapitalize for reading clarity, and omit "www.", e.g. convert "www.veterinaryresourcesuk.com" to "VeterinaryResourcesUK.com"
. - So, in this case
- olympics.com should be Olympics.com [7]
- www.the-aiff.com should be All India Football Federation [8]
- inside.fifa.com should be Inside FIFA [9]
- indiansuperleague.com should be Indian Super League [10]
- According to WP:CS1,
- Vestrian24Bio 10:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vestrian24Bio: Fixed per above. Drat8sub (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- All good then, Support. Vestrian24Bio 10:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vestrian24Bio: Fixed per above. Drat8sub (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Drat8sub:
- @Vestrian24Bio:, kindly check above comments and let me know if anything else needed to be fixed or addressed. Drat8sub (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 16:17, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 26 May 2025 (UTC) [11].[reply]
- Nominator(s): History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I think it is similar to my other promoted lists. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:21, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Toadspike
- This list looks great, but I am a bit concerned about the format. Vector 2022 already narrowed the area for tables, and a list like this would theoretically get a new column every year. Depending on the reader's device, the list is either already too wide or will become too wide in few years. Is there any more sustainable way to present this information?
- I think the lead sentence could be more concise. I suggest: "49 restaurants in Taiwan have a Michelin-star rating in the 2024 Michelin Guide." If you insist on using 'as of', there is apparently a template for that.
- I'm seeing a lot more in the way of concision and smoother wording that can be improved:
- "eateries they recommended to visit" is ungrammatical.
- "to subtly sponsor their tires, by encouraging drivers to use their cars more and therefore need to replace the tires as they wore out" – this information can probably be conveyed in fewer words. The whole sentence might be a run-on.
- " Over time, the stars that were given out became more valuable" --> "Over time, Michelin stars have become more valuable." ("that were given out" is redundant – we don't care about stars that were not given out.)
- I suggest starting the second paragraph with a lead sentence or half-sentence to summarize it, like adding "Before a star is awarded," before "multiple".
- Five criteria: The CNN article says one is "harmony of flavor", while the Escoffier page says the fifth is "value for money". Ideally a long quote like this would be cited straight from Michelin rather than from secondary sources of decent but not outstanding reliability – their website [12] lists "harmony of flavor", not "value for money".
- The rest of this paragraph is a little vague.
- It isn't explained after "create a list of popular restaurants" what is done with this list. Is it a list of candidate restaurants?
- "If they reach a consensus" – based on the Michelin link above, I believe you mean "if the several Michelin inspectors who have eaten at the restaurant reach a consensus" (or words to that effect).
- "based on its evaluation methodology" is redundant and can be removed
- "The stars are not permanent and restaurants are constantly re-evaluated" – From what I understand, the stars are awarded for one specific year and re-evaluated every year.
- The last paragraph looks good.
- @Toadspike:, for your first point, the standard is to make a new table for every decade. Everything else is done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, that makes sense, thank you for clarifying. The rest looks good now! Toadspike [Talk] 15:36, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Orangesclub
- The Chinese text should be formatted along the lines of Template:Lang-zh, labels can be switched off so it still reads as it looks now, see MOS:OTHERLANG
- There are a few restaurants wikilinked that just redirect back to this list, will they have their own articles soon or can they be removed?
- A lot of MOS:ALLCAPS in the references, specifically with titles regarding Michelin
- Also looking like most references do not have archives, would be valuable for lists like this that are largely based off single yearly references
orangesclub 🍊 22:19, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Orangesclub, done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Nicely done, happy to support :) orangesclub 🍊 23:24, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
- The link to Red Guide can be removed as a MOS:DUPLINK
- I'd also explain what a Red Guide is, is this just another name for Michelin Guide? It's not clear in the current context. Perhaps "
The Michelin (or Red) Guides have been published
" - Can you fix the link to this article in {{Taiwanese cuisine}} to avoid potential WP:SELFREDIRECTS
- Dates in citations have inconsistent date formats
- Link Michelin Guide in Ref 1
- Add language tags to Refs 11 and 12
- Italicize Michelin Guide Taipei in the external link
I think that's all I have! TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheDoctorWho, done all, except template as I don't know how. History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:03, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I fixed the template; happy to support, nice work. TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:06, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- List seems generally consistent with other Michelin-related FLs. Support as long as all concerns by other editors are addressed. Pleased to see Michelin lists being promoted, keep up the great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:33, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source and other review from MikeVitale
- In the third paragraph of the lede, there are links to Michelin-starred restaurants in "Hong Kong and Macau", "Singapore", and "Seoul" which are redirects. The difference is "Michelin starred" vs. "Michelin-starred." Please fix.
- The "Michelin Guide 2019 Taipei Selection" link at https://guide.michelin.com/tw/en/taipei/news-and-views/michelin-guide-taipei-2019-selection/news is a permanent redirect to https://guide.michelin.com/tw/en/taipei/news-and-views/michelin-guide-taipei-2019-selection in the original link.
- Other spot-checked sources all pass review.
--MikeVitale 04:35, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done, @MikeVitale. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The "Seoul" link in the third paragraph of the lede is still a redirect.
- Additionally, the "Michelin Guide 2019 Taipei Selection" link that I mentioned above has not been fixed or edited. --MikeVitale 03:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, sorry, I thought the last one was just a statement. I didn’t realize I needed to do anything. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Links 10, 11, and 12 (all in Chinese) don't have archive links yet. Please add archives. --MikeVitale 17:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MikeVitale,
Done all. History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:07, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice work. Happy to support this list. --MikeVitale 18:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MikeVitale,
- Links 10, 11, and 12 (all in Chinese) don't have archive links yet. Please add archives. --MikeVitale 17:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, sorry, I thought the last one was just a statement. I didn’t realize I needed to do anything. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support from HAL
- Is there really no suitable image? Maybe a district within Taipei that has a high density of Michelin-starred restaurants?
Regardless of whether you decide to add one, this article is very well done. I could not find any issues. Support. ~ HAL333 18:30, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There is an image discussion on talk page, History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 26 May 2025 (UTC) [13].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:22, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because i belive it meets FL criteria. Comments towards making the list better are accepted. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:22, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Orangesclub
- References 1, 6 and 10 are duplicated, so are 7 and 11-done
- References should be archived-done
- It doesn't look like all references are filled out with all available fields-done
- Double dagger (‡) should be mentioned in the key alongside boldface-done
- Not sure why the photos for winners are so much smaller than those for presenters-fixed
- WP:ALTTEXT should include an actual description of the photo, it is not interchangeable with the caption-fixed
- Do you think the redlinks for award categories will become articles soon? If not I would probably unlink them-not done: they will turn blue soon
orangesclub 🍊 12:01, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I have fixed above. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 03:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Great work, happy to support :) orangesclub 🍊 23:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- The alt texts are not helpful, please do not just repeat the captions.
- Tables need row scopes.
- Tables need column scopes.
- Tables need captions.
- All sources should have archive links.
- A few sources are missing websites/publishers.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:27, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042, fixed above. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 03:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- First source is not archived. After that is fixed, I will bold this support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:26, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042, I am done, thank you! Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 13:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042, I am done, thank you! Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 13:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- First source is not archived. After that is fixed, I will bold this support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:26, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- The lead should clarify that the awards (apparently) recognise outstanding achievement in television and film.
- "the newly created New Era Award and Pete Edochie with Industry Merit Award" => "the newly-created New Era Award, and Pete Edochie with the Industry Merit Award"
- "Fans of Nollywood and Ghallywood were present" - is this significant? That "fans" were there?
- "The award was sponsored by Amstel Malta and presented by MultiChoice, where M-Net's Managing Director for Special Projects, Biola Alabi alongside NBC's Walter Drenth, presented Best Movie Award" - this sentence is very confusing. When you say "the award", do you mean the entire ceremony? Rather than one specific award? Also, the last bit should be "and M-Net's Managing Director for Special Projects, Biola Alabi, presented Best Movie Award alongside NBC's Walter Drenth"
- That's it, I think! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, done. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:14, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You still have "The award was sponsored by Amstel Malta and presented by MultiChoice". Which award was sponsored by Amstel? Do you actually mean that the ceremony was sponsored by Amstel? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude, I have corrected above per source. It is actually the event. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 14:43, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You still have "The award was sponsored by Amstel Malta and presented by MultiChoice". Which award was sponsored by Amstel? Do you actually mean that the ceremony was sponsored by Amstel? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "The award honours excellence in television, film, and digital content creation in Nollywood and African entertainment industry" => "The awards honour excellence in television, film, and digital content creation in Nollywood and the African entertainment industry"
- There are two usages of "the award ceremony". Both should be "the awards ceremony"
- "There were live performances by Davido, Bez, Waje and Cobhams Asuquo" => "There were live performances by Davido, Bez, Waje, and Cobhams Asuquo" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:51, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:46, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reading Beans
I am reviewing this version.
- Source review
- Pass.
- Reliable enough for the information being cited — pass
- Consistent date formatting — pass
- Consistent and proper reference formatting — pass
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable — pass
- Spot checks on sources match what they are being cited for — Pass
I’ll get this done before 12-hours. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 15:14, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The ceremony section does not tally with the lede. The lede say 2014 and the section says 2013. The ref4 sourced to the date and location of the event did not verify what’s it cited for; this information is in ref5. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 15:31, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reading Beans, done. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good. Support on sources. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:56, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Vestrian24Bio
- Should link Eko Hotels and Suites in the infobox as well.
- Just "Expo Hall, Eko Hotels and Suites, Lagos, Nigeria" would be enough for the infobox.
- Why most nominations field isn't in the infobox..?
- Is mentioning Nollywood explicitly appropriate, because the ceremony is for all African industries.
- Nairobi Half Life has 7 noms, but the prose says Flower Girl was the most nominated with 4 nods -- ?
- Also, don't think its necessary for overview to be a separate header it could all be under the ceremony section.
- Should link AMVCA for Best Actor in a Drama and Africa Magic Viewers' Choice Award for Best Overall Movie in the lead.
- The prose says, "The awards ceremony was sponsored by Amstel Malta and the awards were presented by MultiChoice"; while the lead says "presented by MultiChoice and Africa Magic" - should be made consistent.
- Don't think its necessary for the award categories without articles to be linked yet.
- BellaNaija is an unreliable source, should replace with a better source.
Vestrian24Bio 11:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @SafariScribe Vestrian24Bio 09:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vestrian24Bio, done. Per this consensus, BellaNaija is a reliable source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 15:09, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- All else good, Support. Vestrian24Bio 10:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vestrian24Bio, done. Per this consensus, BellaNaija is a reliable source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 15:09, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Image review – All photos used in the article have appropriate free licensing, captions and alt text.
My only complaint is that the alt text of the first image uses "on" twice when I believe the word is meant to be "in" each time. Obviously the hosts would be "in" clothing, not "on" it.Giants2008 (Talk) 21:28, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 19 May 2025 (UTC) [14].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 22:08, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets FL criteria. It is the first award ceremony of the AMVCA. Thank you. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 22:08, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- First image needs alt text.
- Why is there a " | |" in Best Picture Director.
- Same for the "|" in Best Sound Editor and Best Writer (comedy).
- What proof do you have that BellaNaija is a reliable source.
- Why is Olu Jacobs the only person in the Industry Merit Award section, were there no runners-up.
- "to all entrants.The award is" is missing a space.
- "The award is presented", is should be was
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:39, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042, thank you. I am done fixing the article per your comments above. For the reliability of BellaNaija, see WP:RSNG and this recent discussion and consensus. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:17, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @History6042 for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:40, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @History6042 for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:40, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by RunningTiger123
Several things should be fixed, but these two are the most critical as they are necessary for proper accessibility:
- Categories and nominees should be in the same cell. Otherwise, a screen reader will read the table incorrectly as it moves from top to bottom, left to right; for instance, it would read "Best Actress in a Comedy" between "Best Actress in a Drama" and the Best Actress in a Drama nominees. {{Award category}} is great for this; you can also refer to other awards ceremonies such as 76th Primetime Emmy Awards and 96th Academy Awards for examples.
- Listing winners in boldface is insufficient; you should also have a symbol to denote the winner. The two examples above show this. (Also, nominees are typically listed with an extra indent to further separate winners.)
— RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:13, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
More comments:
- Hosts should be listed on separate lines in infobox
- Use spaces around the slash for most awards entry in infobox (MOS:SLASH)
- "9 March 2013, at the Exhibition Center" – no comma needed after year (MOS:DATEFORMAT)
- Also occurs in Ceremony section
- "Vimbai Mutinhiri and IK Osakioduwa Kimmel hosted" – looks like "Kimmel" was copied from another article on accident?
- "the Best Picture" / "the Best Actor in a Drama" / "the Best Actor and Actress" – just say "Best ___", like it says for Best Actress in a Drama
- Similar wording occurs in Ceremony section
- "The award also honoured" – replace "award" with "ceremony" or a similar word
- It says "28 honours in 26 categories" but then says "and also two honours", so presumably the 28 honours part is redundant – just say it has 26 categories and two honours
- "Big Brother Africa's" – use {{'s}} like this:
''Big Brother Africa''{{'s}}
- "9pm CAT" – either link to the meaning of CAT or spell it out
- There's no formal rules for this, but I suggest reorganizing the categories to follow a more typical order in the list. Place the main category first (Best Picture) and pair similar awards besides each other (Best Actor in a Drama / Best Actress in a Drama; Best Writer (Comedy) / Best Writer (Drama); etc.)
- Though as I look over the categories, I don't think they're all correct? There are two Best Film entries, and they don't match; meanwhile, neither is called Best Picture, which is what the prose used. There are also only 24 categories listed even though it says there were 26 categories, and the Trailblazer Award is missing.
- Place spaces around the en dashes in the winners and nominees table (MOS:LISTDASH)
- Convert the Industry Merit Award to use {{Award category}} like every other entry
— RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:10, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @RunningTiger123, done. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:45, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I still only count 24 categories (discounting the honorary awards) instead of 26. From the sources it looks like all of the nominees are listed; can you try to figure out why the category count went from 26 to 24? If there aren't sources explaining the change, there should still be some clarification that the totals do not match. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:01, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The award didn't name nominees for two categories: Best Documentary and Best Online Video; according to the organisers, the selection team preferred to present it as certificates of encouragement to all entrants.
@RunningTiger123 Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:01, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I still only count 24 categories (discounting the honorary awards) instead of 26. From the sources it looks like all of the nominees are listed; can you try to figure out why the category count went from 26 to 24? If there aren't sources explaining the change, there should still be some clarification that the totals do not match. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:01, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support – all comments addressed. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:29, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IntentionallyDense
- Source review
I will do the source review for this article starting with formatting then checking reliability and then doing a source spot check. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 19:45, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Formatting is consistent across citations
- Sources are appropriately reliable, there seems to have been a week consensus that BellaNaija is reliable and seeing as it used alongside other sources and that it isn't supporting any controversial information I think it is appropriate here
- ref 1 is verified
- ref 2 isn't loading for me. This may be a regional issue but I'll check again later
- I spot checked the other sources and found no issues.
If you could get back to about ref 2 and ping me in your reply that would be great! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 19:57, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @IntentionallyDense, I have fixed above including ref2. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 23:32, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pass for the source review. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 21:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reading Beans
My comments are in this version.
- Link AMVCA Trailblazer Award.
- Link AMVCA Industry Merit Award.
- Ref 2 has a date in the article, 29 January 2013.
- Ref 6 and 7 has location, either add it to all references or remove it entirely for consistency.
- Link Clinic Matters in the last table of that’s what you wanted to do in the first place.
That’s all I seem to have from my end for now. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 18:33, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Looks good. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 23:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Vestrian24Bio
- Should link Eko Hotels and Suites in the infobox as well.
- Is it necessary to include three refs for the hosts; only one is enough.
- Link Otelo Burning on the first mention in the overview section; same for other titles as well.
- Also, don't think its necessary for overview to be a separate header it could all be under the ceremony section.
- Should link AMVCA for Best Actor in a Drama and Africa Magic Viewers' Choice Award for Best Overall Movie wherever necessary (lead and overview section).
- Who were awarded for Best Documentary and Best Online Video??
- The prose says, "The awards ceremony was sponsored by Amstel Malta and the awards were presented by MultiChoice"; while the lead says "presented by MultiChoice and Africa Magic" - should be made consistent.
- Don't think its necessary for the award categories without articles to be linked yet.
- Best Lighting Designer, Best Art Director, Best Picture Director and Best Cinematographer winners are missing the ‡ symbol.
- BellaNaija is an unreliable source, should replace with a better source.
Vestrian24Bio 11:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Vestrian24Bio, done. Per this consensus, BellaNaija is a reliable source. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 02:53, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- All else good, Support. Vestrian24Bio 10:08, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Image review – I don't have any concerns with the images, as they all have appropriate free licenses, captions and alt text. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 16 May 2025 (UTC) [15].[reply]
- Nominator(s): VirreFriberg (talk) 16:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because... the article recently received a rewrite and the Small Faces deserve more widespread attention. VirreFriberg (talk) 16:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- All tables need captions.
- Most of the notes don't need periods.
- I would prefer more images but if that is not possible that is okay.
- Citations 18 and 22 have a harv error, according to a script I have installed.
- Notes that are the same can be combined.
- "Authors John Hellier and Paolo Hewitt lists the release as a compilation album." -> "Authors John Hellier and Paolo Hewitt list the release as a compilation album."
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:24, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @VirreFriberg, will you fix this please or have you given up on the nomination. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:23, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042 my fault, I entirely forgot about having nominated this article. I apologize. I've fixed the issues you've outlined. VirreFriberg (talk) 21:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:45, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042 my fault, I entirely forgot about having nominated this article. I apologize. I've fixed the issues you've outlined. VirreFriberg (talk) 21:43, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @VirreFriberg, will you fix this please or have you given up on the nomination. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:23, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "became the eleventh best selling recording artist" => "became the eleventh best-selling recording artist"
- "and has thus have been referred to" => "and have thus been referred to"
- "The Small Faces achieved success" - earlier you referred to them as just "Small Faces", without the article. I personally think the "the" should be there throughout.
- "The Small Faces debut album and eight first singles" => "The Small Faces' debut album and first eight singles"
- "the Small Faces relationship with Arden" => "the Small Face's relationship with Arden"
- "told the band members parents" => "told the band members' parents"
- "signed the band to his label in February 1967" => "signed the band in February 1967" (the subject is the label, so "his" doesn't work)
- "The Small Faces music has been " => "The Small Faces' music has been "
- "which contained both material the band had released on Decca and Immediate" => "which contained material the band had released on both Decca and Immediate"
- "notable exceptions to this rule is the 2003 compilation album" => "a notable exception to this rule is the 2003 compilation album"
- "Ultimate Collection, released on Sanctuary Records which" => "Ultimate Collection, released on Sanctuary Records, which"
- "Archival release, recorded live in Mouscron, Belgium on 9 January 1966." - not a sentence so should not have a full stop
- All three notes under compilations should not have full stops
- Notes E and F under singles are identical so can be merged
- Notes G, K and L under singles should not have full stops
- The quote in note J under singles is missing its closing quote mark
- I would put the footnotes above the references and in their own section
- I haven't done a source review, but refs 18 and 22 are giving me Harv errors as you have the author names the wrong way round in the {{sfn}} template in the first instance and the publication year missing in the second
- That's what I got
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude! I've fixed the outlined issues! Sorry for the late response, I forgot I had nominated the article... VirreFriberg (talk) 21:52, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source Review
- Ref 10 uses slash dates and not DMY like the rest of the page
- A few MOS:DASH issues
- Why is there two groups of footnotes?
- Inst AllMusic user generated and therefore relaibel?
- "Their first single on their new label will be released on June 2" should be "2 June" as the page is DMY
- Spot checks turned up nothing
- Linking is consistent
- That's what I found ping me when done. Olliefant (she/her) 20:01, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @VirreFriberg for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi @OlifanofmrTennant! I've revided the article per these suggestions. I have a few points to make:
- - Changed ref 10
- - Which part of the article fails MOS:DASH?
- - Footnotes merged into one category
- - Per the AllMusic source, Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources states that the reviews/biographies are reliable. Summaries are not, though I don't know what the "summary" is in an AllMusic article since it's not explicitly stated
- - "Their first single on their new label will be released on June 2" is a quote directly taken from an article in the source magazine. According to the MOS: Dates and numbers, you're not supposed to change the format of a direct quotation.
- Otherwise, thank you for taking your time in reading the article. VirreFriberg (talk) 13:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I’ve taken care of the dash issues. Support Olliefant (she/her) 14:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
- Compilation albums table is missing a screen reader only title
- I fixed a scope that was listed as rowgroup instead of row
- Accessibility is good, minus the missing title
- References are consistently formatted and linked where appropriate
- Images has appropriate alt text
Other than that, the references appear consistently formatted and accessibility is good. Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:31, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @VirreFriberg for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:57, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh; Added the screen-reader title for the compilation album section! Thanks for the ping! 22:29, 13 May 2025 (UTC) VirreFriberg (talk) 22:29, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Image review – The lead photo has valid free licensing and an appropriate caption, and alt text was covered in the review directly above this one. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:28, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC) [16].[reply]
- Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In something of a quirk, the list for 1989 got promoted before the list for 1988, which was nominated earlier, but the 1988 list seems well on the way too, so here is the next list in the sequence, as we move into the 1990s. In this particular year, a young lady called Mariah made her first appearance in the top spot. She went on to do quite well for herself...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support from Easternsahara
- No issue in terms of spelling mistakes, grammar conventions, etc.
- Prose is professional and engaging.
- Lead identifies the criteria, of being listed by Billboard on their Hot Adult Contemporary list.
- All statements are sourced with proper inline citations
- Meets standalone list criteria with sufficient length and no content forks
- Structured and formatted well
- Article is stable, no edit wars have taken place, the prose and the list have not been changed in some time, recent edits seem to only fix references.
- No redlinks
- Source review coming soon.
Easternsahara (talk) 12:04, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Easternsahara: - can I check if you are supporting the nom? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:28, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure am. Easternsahara (talk) 23:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Image and accessibility review by Relayed (Passed)
- All images: 1) are licensed appropriately; 2) are relevant to the list; 3) are captioned appropriately; and, 4) have alternative captions (i.e., alt text).
- File:TheRighteousBrothersperformingKBF.jpg – "no known copyright restriction", licensed appropriately; relevant; captioned appropriately; has alt text
- File:BetteMidler90cropped.jpg – CC BY 2.0, reviewed, licensed appropriately; relevant; captioned appropriately; has alt text
- File:Ron Isley.jpg – CC BY-SA 2.0, reviewed, licensed appropriately; relevant; captioned appropriately; has alt text
- File:Taylor Dayne Performing.JPG – AGF that copyright owner uploaded the image under PD, licensed appropriately; relevant; captioned appropriately; has alt text
- The table is accessible upon inspection; it sorts appropriately and meets MOS:DTAB.
In good faith, this list passes my image and accessibility review. – Relayed (t • c) 18:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on 15 sources match what they are being cited for
I got nothing, great stuff Chris! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Medxvo
- "a recording career which would ultimately make her" // "the original rendition which gained sufficient airplay" - I think "that" would work better grammatically instead of "which"
- "In October the Righteous Brothers" - a comma is probably missing after "October"
- "January 6, 1990 showed" - a comma after the year?
- "Billboard have" - "Billboard has"?
I think that's all, everything else looks great to me! Medxvo (talk) 08:52, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Medxvo: - many thanks for your review, I have addressed those points. As ever I got confused by comma usage around dates in US English
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to support :) Medxvo (talk) 09:05, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sebbirrrr
- The only thing that stood out to me is that the sentence "The year's final number one was also taken from a film soundtrack." ends abruptly. I think that it would be better to put in a semicolon instead of a period or, alternatively, to mention in the same sentence that said film is Days of Thunder. No other issues with the rest of the list! Sebbirrrr (talk) 16:11, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sebbirrrr: - semi colon added
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:14, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Sebbirrrr (talk) 16:45, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sebbirrrr: - semi colon added
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC) [17].[reply]
- Nominator(s): TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If any of you knew me personally, you'd all say that this was inevitable for me and you all knew it was coming. Since you don't, you'll have to take my word for it. History in general, but more specifically ghost towns, have always been a huge interest of mine ever since I (accidentally) visited my first one in 2020. Long story short, this hyperfixation quickly turned into a special interest, that somehow turned into my university senior capstone/portfolio project‽‽‽
I realized how poor of a shape this list was in and practically rewrote/revamped the entire thing to improve everything from sources to accessibility and illustration. Since I was doing this anyways, I went ahead and wrote it up to the FL standards and decided to go ahead and nominate it. Since I believe this will be the FL of its kind I didn't really have anything to model it off of. That said, I modeled it off the closest lists I could find, lists of municipalities (namely List of municipalities in Washington). I hope you guys enjoy reading this as much as I enjoyed writing it. :)
If anyone is curious on what my capstone project actually was... I should mention that all five ghost town images are ones that I photographed in 2023. Four of them are actually 35mm film photographs that I hand-developed and then digitized myself (yes, someone is still shooting film in 2025), while the remaining one is a digital image. These images aren't technically included my portfolio because I wasn't quite ready to release them into the public domain yet, but essentially think of them as the b-list images. TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:35, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Lead image caption is not a sentence so it should not have a full stop
- "Oklahoma has an" => "The US state of Oklahoma has an" (can't assume that users in far-flung corners of the world know that Oklahoma is a US state)
- "and after being bypassed by highways and interstates" => "or after being bypassed by highways and interstates"
- "such as being part of the Tar Creek Superfund Site for existing in an unusual location" => "such as being part of the Tar Creek Superfund Site, for existing in an unusual location"
- "such as ruins or foundations and have been reverted for agricultural use" => "such as ruins or foundations, and have been reverted to agricultural use"
- "they weren't actually cops to begin with" => "they were not actually police officers to begin with"
- That's what I got. A very interesting topic. We don't have anything like this in the UK...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:55, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Done, thanks for the review! Although I haven't been to any outside of Oklahoma, they're all over the country here. This page lists a few over in the UK, but not sure how their appearance compares to those here. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - now that you mention it, that whole "several villages were evacuated to be used as training grounds for the British Army and U.S. forces. This was intended to be a temporary arrangement, but many of the villages remained abandoned, and are used for military training to this day" thing certainly rings a bell..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:09, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OlifanofmrTennant
- Lead should explain what Oklahoma is (similar to how the Washington municipalities does it)
- "Whitefield is said to have begun declining during the Great Depression." who said it? Needs a citation
- Why does footnote I say by 1975, should the table list 1975 as the dissolved date
- Most footnotes need citations
- Ref 4 is misspelled as "ghsot"
- Under "Martha" Jackson county is listed in lowercase
- That's what I found ping me when done Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 17:42, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Thank you so much for the review! I expanded the location of Oklahoma in the lead slightly, and then added two sentences to the history section about its location. Regarding the "By 1975" footnote, the book has a photo with the caption "
Mouser, 1975. Abandoned elevator adjacent to the abandoned rail line.
" It doesn't list any actual dates of abandonment nor the year of closure for the businesses. No school or post office existed there. All I know is that it was abandoned by 1975, not necessarily that it was in that year. Everything else has been addressed. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Thank you so much for the review! I expanded the location of Oklahoma in the lead slightly, and then added two sentences to the history section about its location. Regarding the "By 1975" footnote, the book has a photo with the caption "
Comments from Bgsu98
- "The towns initially began for a number of reasons, including prior to statehood, and often as liquor towns, boomtowns, and mining towns." This sentence reads awkwardly to me, but I'm not sure I can put my finger on why. Maybe something like "These towns began for a number of reasons, often as liquor towns, boomtowns, or mining towns, and many pre-dating statehood." Also, "initially began" sounds redundant.
- Perhaps wikilink "statehood" with History of Oklahoma#Early statehood.
- "These places vary in their state of current existence..." – I would recommend "These places vary in their current states..."
- "A small number have also gained notability for other reasons such as being part of the Tar Creek Superfund Site for existing in an unusual location, or for crimes." Some commas are needed in there.
- "Prior to statehood these were..." Again, a comma is needed. "Prior to statehood, these were..."
- "after the discovery of natural resources such as oil or petroleum jelly." Comma after "resources".
- "Morris for example, classified them..." Comma after "Morris".
- "...and go completely unused" Personally, I would say "...and are completely unused".
- "Schmidt meanwhile, had a lower threshold..." Comma after "Schmidt".
- "a methodology to describe the locations then-status." Apostrophe after "locations" and pluralize "status" (the locations' then-statuses).
- "Oklahoma's ghost towns are in various states of existence." You might cite some examples here that demonstrate these different states of existence. For example, something like "Emptytown has no physical remains left and has been reverted to agricultural use." Just a thought.
- "because they weren't actually cops to begin with." "Cops" isn't an encyclopedic term.
- Photographs under "List of ghost towns" seem to be properly formatted.
Y
- Table appears to be properly formatted.
Y
A very interesting article! I hope my comments are useful. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:58, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to review this! I believe I've addressed most everything, I did shift the statehood link slightly further town to "after Oklahoma was admitted to the union" since that's when statehood began. Apologies for using the term "cops", I'm aware it's essentially a slang term for encyclopedias, I believe I was writing that sentence at 4 a.m. and meant to come back and change it later. 😅 TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It looks good… I’m happy to support. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by comment
- I like the multiple-images template at the start containing maps a lot, but I'm not sure if the alt text is ideal -- I'm not sure how it would be read by a screen reader, but I imagine if it ended up as "Map of ghost towns in Northwest Oklahoma", "Map of ghost towns in Northeast Oklahoma", etc. seven times, that would be somewhat grating for someone viewing this with a screen reader. I'm not sure how this can be fixed, but I wanted to point it out. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:03, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think (not having used a screen reader) it might be better if there was a way to have screen readers skip the images entirely; I don't know if there's a way to make it just skip the first 7 and read the caption of the last. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:07, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There's the option of just setting the alt text to "refer to caption" (acceptable per the guidelines laid out at MOS:ALTTEXT). Do you think that would work better? TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:24, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think (not having used a screen reader) it might be better if there was a way to have screen readers skip the images entirely; I don't know if there's a way to make it just skip the first 7 and read the caption of the last. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:07, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delegate comment
I was looking to see if I could close this, but I think there's a pretty glaring issue that stopped me: the very first sentence says that there are 2000 ghost towns, but the list only has 164, and there is nothing in the text to explain the discrepancy. Obviously you're using a different inclusion criteria than Ruth 1983 did, but the list needs to be explicit about why there's not 2000 towns listed here, whatever that reason is. --PresN 21:35, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: Does the footnote that I just added to the table caption suffice? I could also add it in prose above the table or images if that's a better location.
- As far as I'm aware, no complete listing of the full 2,000 exists and even if did it would easily be INDESCRIMINATE. I did enact a stricter inclusion criteria than what I first discovered this list in, which I noted in detail on the talk page.
- Morris 1978 also estimates there to be around 2,000, but the book only discusses ~150. He states that he excluded "some" for lack of information and/or because the period they existed was so short. Schmidt 2024 echoes Morris' estimate, but only includes ~100 for similar reasons (some of which are the same ones that Morris covered). TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:33, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Never got this ping for some reason; I'm good with the addition. Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 18:21, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC) [18].[reply]
- Nominator(s): TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:39, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because since July, I have been successful with Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Football Academic All-America Team Members of the Year/archive2, Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Women's Basketball Academic All-America Team Members of the Year/archive1, Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Men's Basketball Academic All-America Team Members of the Year/archive1, and Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Academic All-America Team Members of the Year/archive1. This is ready too. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:39, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- All references need archive links.
- Ran User:InternetArchiveBot.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think the reference titles should be all capitalized.
- Fixed-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "College Sports Information Directors of America" should be linked in reference 1.
- Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:04, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "All winners are American unless indicated otherwise." could be put in a footnote.
- "the yearly outstanding college baseball Academic All-America team member" should be capitalized on the the.
- Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In the third paragraph where you list the states, I don't think you should be using acronyms without specifying what they stand for but I do understand that it would be unreasonably long if you didn't.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 23:45, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @History6042 to see if all concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:47, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @History6042 to see if all concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824
- The school names weren't bolded in List of Academic All-America Team Members of the Year. I don't think it is needed here.
- Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:02, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Same feedback as last time: Taking the Four-division era table as an example, the column names are a bit weird. I think having Div I, Div II, Div III and "College/NAIA" as colgroups with "winner and school" as columns under each of them would be better. The same applies to the first table also. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @MPGuy2824 to see if all concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Tony, I suggest that you ping reviewers once you've fixed the issues pointed out by them. I only pointed out two problems and both seem to be fixed. I decided to do a prose review as well:
- "Between 1996 and 2011, one winner each was chosen from both the college and University Divisions for all twelve Academic All-America teams including football." - Maybe the last word should be baseball since this list is about that sport.
- Good catch.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:25, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Consider wikilinking "2 year school" to Junior college#United States.
- Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The first paragraph of the History section is contradictory: Have Notre Dame's and Johns Hopkins' athletes won the award or not?
- There is a difference between being an Academic All-American and being Academic All-America Team Members of the Year.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:28, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it that the first one (Academic all-American) could be for any sport? If so, then it doesn't warrant being the first line of the history section. Or at least add a "(across all sports)" somewhere to make the point clearer. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:48, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a difference between being an Academic All-American and being Academic All-America Team Members of the Year.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:28, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Coleman was the third and second male". Put "second" before "third", and maybe use "third overall" to make it clearer. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:42, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Tony, I suggest that you ping reviewers once you've fixed the issues pointed out by them. I only pointed out two problems and both seem to be fixed. I decided to do a prose review as well:
- Pinging @MPGuy2824 to see if all concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:35, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824:-How am I doing?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:31, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on prose and table accessibility, but please fix the last point that I replied to, above. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by
- All references which are ALL CAPS should be changed to Title Caps. --MikeVitale 03:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for fixing the all-caps refs. Accessibility w.r.t. row/col-scopes also looks good. Support. --MikeVitale 00:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IntentionallyDense
I have no knowledge in this topic so I'm asking for your patience with any of my newbie questions
- college and University Divisions Is there a distinction between college and University for this list? also why is University capitalized but not college (where I'm from we don't really use the term college)
- In this setting they are two different sets of educational institutions. Caps fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:21, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Per MOS:1STOCC the abbreviations for the states should be written in full upon first usage
- Johns Hopkins University (31) when I first read this, it was unclear what the 31 referred to until I thought about it a bit. I wonder if this could be reworded to require less thinking on the readers part
- Is the point clearer now?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:32, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- being followed by "being" could be removed here
- Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "all-time list" in external links should have proper title case (or whatever it's called) so that All is capitalized.
- Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's all I have for now. Couldn't find many issues but I'll do a second comb through later on. Ping me when you're able to get back to me. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 17:43, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
- Any reason why there's a random en-dash in the lead between District 6 and District 7?
- Removed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:28, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Lippincott's first name is spelled Bryan in the History section, but Brian in the two tables
- great eye.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:12, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In the third paragraph of the history section, you mention back-to-back winners. Seems like it might also be useful to mention Lippincott here? He was split by two/four division era, but he won in 2011 and 2012 so it seems odd to be the only exclusion in this regard.
- Mentioned.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:39, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably safe to remove the redlink from Devlin Granberg, given that it was recently deleted per WP:REDDEAL
- Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:13, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe the flag needs removed from Nick Howie; even though he isn't American, he did play for an American team. (MOS:SPORTSFLAG would be the relevant guideline: "
Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense flags should only indicate the sportsperson's national squad/team or their representative nationality
" (so it should be fine next to Webb).- @TheDoctorWho:, Do you think that policy is relevant in the face of source that says he is from Oakville, Ontario. What is your source for the American team.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:19, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I had a longer response typed here initially, but after reading this it appears that I may have misinterpreted this guidance and that it was written to address national-level teams (i.e. United States national baseball team) rather than sub-national teams. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:39, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's it! TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:13, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 01:16, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): --TheUzbek (talk) 11:01, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this list for a second time. Its sister article, Alternates of the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam, is already a FL. I hope this gets the attention it deserves :) --TheUzbek (talk) 11:01, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Arconning
- Done Image used in the infobox needs alt-text for accessibility.
- Done "members" does not have to be bolded as per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting
- Done institution in the CPV and Vietnam, add a comma at the end.
- Done Lê Viết Chữ and Trần Quốc Cường, add a comma as well.
- Done Would be nice if you can supply the ages for this statement, of which Nguyễn Xuân Anh and Nguyen Thanh Nghi were the youngest. Were they the same age by having the same birthday? Or were they the two youngest, whereas one was younger but both of them were considered young for the position.
- Here are my comments. Arconning (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you!
- I have implemented you're recommendations! :) TheUzbek (talk) 16:29, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheUzbek Last comment, "both born in 1976." should be "both being born in 1976." Arconning (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Done TheUzbek (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Will Support. Arconning (talk) 13:49, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Done TheUzbek (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheUzbek Last comment, "both born in 1976." should be "both being born in 1976." Arconning (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- Done In the alt text, "The official party symbol consists of a crossed hammer and sickle (both coloured red)" -> "A crossed hammer and sickle (both coloured red)"
- Done "Not made public." -> "Not made public"
- Dates are consistently formatted.
- What is the current default sorting of the table? It should be by last name probably. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:19, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Implemented your recommendations as outlined in your first two comments. I also hope that I have consistently formatted the dates. The default sorting is last name, identical to the one on alternates of the 12th CC. Thanks for commenting! TheUzbek (talk) 12:24, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:35, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Implemented your recommendations as outlined in your first two comments. I also hope that I have consistently formatted the dates. The default sorting is last name, identical to the one on alternates of the 12th CC. Thanks for commenting! TheUzbek (talk) 12:24, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bgsu98
- "The Central Committee is the highest decision-making institution in the CPV and Vietnam, when the Party's National Congress and the Politburo are adjourned." – That comma is not necessary.
- "19 members were 45 years of age or younger, of which Nguyễn Xuân Anh (aged 40) and Nguyen Thanh Nghi (aged 39) were the youngest, both being born in 1976." – One of them is younger than the other; only one is the youngest.
- "The 12th National Congress adopted a resolution that stated the CPV needed to combat political corruption resolutely." – What does that mean?
- "As a result, five members were removed from the Central Committee and expelled from the CPV; 12th Politburo member Đinh La Thăng..." – That semicolon should be a colon.
- "Nguyễn Xuân Anh was accused of violating democratic centralism and of behaving in a corrupt way." – In what way?
- "This last case got more attention..." – I would say "received more attention".
- "Party regulation states that..." – I would say "Party regulations state that..."
Regarding the table:
- I would personally choose a different notation than "Old". However, if this notation is used on other tables in a series which have already been elevated to FL status, then it has presumably already been vetted.
- I would personally use the {{NA}} notation in lieu of "Not" or "–"
Please let me know if you have any questions regarding my feedback. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:42, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Done all grammar comments. I have two comments: "The 12th National Congress adopted a resolution that stated the CPV needed to combat political corruption resolutely". They are purposely vague, but added "within the party, state, and society at large resolutely". As for "behaving in a corrupt manner", I changed it to "being corrupt". It's not altogether clear what he actually did, but the statement makes clear he violated rules, regulations, and laws (but they don't say which one).
- As for the tables: do you have a better suggestion for "Old"? If you can offer a suggestion, that is also a short word, and I would gladly consider it. I agree that "Old" is not the best term. The NA template changes the template's color, as well as moving the ability for the readers to scroll over it and read "Not made public". TheUzbek (talk) 08:49, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The word "resolutely" is is still vague. If you are quoting the actual resolution, I recommend putting it in quotations so a reader here gets that the vagary comes from the source and not from us.
- If we don't know what the actual corruption is, I would change "Nguyễn Xuân Anh was accused of violating democratic centralism and being corrupt" to "Nguyễn Xuân Anh was accused of violating democratic centralism and corruption".
- As for the table, I just took another look. Those first two columns after the names seem unnecessarily complicated to me. Like, it took me a minute to figure out what you were going for here. As I understand it, were they a member of the previous committee and were they a member of the subsequent committee, yes? I would replace "New" with "No" (as in, No, they were not a member) and replace "Old" with "Yes". For the third column, I would replace "Elected" with "Yes" and "Not" with "No". And then sync the colors. "Alternate" and "Expelled" are fine, as are your explanatory notes. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:44, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't get the "Yes" and "No", since the table is not asking any yes or no questions. Central Committee of the 16th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), Alternates of the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam and the 12th Politburo of the Communist Party of Vietnam uses this system.
- That does not mean it cannot be improved. I replaced "New" with "Newcomer", "Old" with "Incumbent", and "Not" with "Unelected"."Elected," I think, is clear, since it's in the header for the next CC. OK? TheUzbek (talk) 15:35, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess what is confusing to me is that there is essentially a missing column between 11th and 13th: the 12th, which all of these people are members of. Therefore, a reader should be able to track their progress from one session to the next. If they were an incumbent for the 11th Congress, wouldn't they still be an incumbent for the 12th and 13th as well? Like, someone might go from Alternate to Elected to Incumbent across the three columns. If they are marked Incumbent in the 11th Congress, then I assume they were part of the 10th, yes? Does any of this make sense, because I'm not sure I'm explaining myself well. If not, then I'll grab a few rows of the table and dummy them up here so you can see what I have in mind. Let me know. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:46, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Name | 11th | 12th | 13th | Birth | PM | Birthplace | Education | Ethnicity | Gender | Ref. |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Chu Ngọc Anh | Alternate | Elected | Incumbent | 1965 | 1998 | Hà Nội | Graduate | Kinh | Male | |
Nguyễn Hoàng Anh | Elected | Incumbent | Incumbent | 1963 | 1994 | Hải Phòng | Graduate | Kinh | Male |
Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:01, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- This does not make a whole lot of sense. As you have made clear, the table (and the article) is titled "Members of the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam," so it is redundant to have a header on the 12th CC (the article is about the 12th CC...) since its already apparent from the reader that the topic of the article is "Members of the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam". I think, if you think this through, that this is obvious.
- As the lead states, the 12th Central Committee was elected by the 12th National Congress. They would not, by extension, be incumbents in the 11th or 13th just like US senators are not, by logic, members of the 111th United States Congress or the 113th United States Congress if they are members of the 112th United States Congress.
- "Incumbent in the 11th Congress, then I assume they were part of the 10th, yes? " I do not see the logic in that, since the header says "11th" and not "10th". The article does not say anything about the 10th Central Committee.
- The table does not make sense. Since the 11th column, presently, states if they served in the 11th CC or did not serve. I have nothing against making that clearer, but having a third column does not make sense (they would not be featured in this list if they were not members in the first place). >
- When that is said and done, I have changed the 11th column term "Incumbents" to "Members". That makes the most sense, you are correct here. They were Members of the 11th CC, and this is now highlighted.
- As for "Newcomers", I feel that is most apt. The alternative is "Did not serve" or "Not a member", but I feel like that "Newcomer" is the best alternative. Readers have the ability to scroll over the term "Newcomer", but again, do you have a better term?
- TheUzbek (talk) 22:09, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I would replace "Newcomer" with "N/A" (just text, not the N/A template) with the hover-over that you have provided. Just looking at the table, it implies they were new members of the 11th committee, when they really had nothing to do with the 11th committee at all. I would also lowercase "member" in the hover-over text since it is not a proper noun. The rest of it is good. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed: changed to "Did not serve". TheUzbek (talk) 04:56, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It still look off, and here is why: you have Non Members indicated in the first column by green and in the second column by tan; and Members indicated in the first column by red and in the second column by green. Having a green background for two different situations doesn't work regardless of the text. I recommend indicating members with the green background and a uniform text (either Member or Elected, especially since the hover-over text is identical), and non-members with the tan background and a uniform text (I would recommend Did not Serve, but that's up to you). Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:20, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you show me what you mean (like you did with the table above)? TheUzbek (talk) 12:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I will be happy to when I have my free period later this morning. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:28, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you show me what you mean (like you did with the table above)? TheUzbek (talk) 12:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It still look off, and here is why: you have Non Members indicated in the first column by green and in the second column by tan; and Members indicated in the first column by red and in the second column by green. Having a green background for two different situations doesn't work regardless of the text. I recommend indicating members with the green background and a uniform text (either Member or Elected, especially since the hover-over text is identical), and non-members with the tan background and a uniform text (I would recommend Did not Serve, but that's up to you). Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:20, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed: changed to "Did not serve". TheUzbek (talk) 04:56, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I would replace "Newcomer" with "N/A" (just text, not the N/A template) with the hover-over that you have provided. Just looking at the table, it implies they were new members of the 11th committee, when they really had nothing to do with the 11th committee at all. I would also lowercase "member" in the hover-over text since it is not a proper noun. The rest of it is good. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Name | 11th | 13th | Birth | PM | Birthplace | Education | Ethnicity | Gender | Ref. |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Chu Ngọc Anh | Alternate | Member | 1965 | 1998 | Hà Nội | Graduate | Kinh | Male | |
Nguyễn Hoàng Anh | Not a member | Member | 1963 | 1994 | Hải Phòng | Graduate | Kinh | Male | |
Nguyễn Thúy Anh | Not a member | Member | 1963 | 1994 | Phú Thọ | Graduate | Kinh | Female | |
Nguyễn Xuân Anh | Not a member | Expelled | 1976 | 2004 | Đà Nẵng | Graduate | Kinh | Male | |
Trần Tuấn Anh | Not a member | Member | 1964 | 1996 | Quảng Ngãi | Graduate | Kinh | Male | |
Hà Ban | Member | Not a member | 1957 | — | Quảng Nam | Graduate | Kinh | Male | |
Dương Thanh Bình | Member | Member | 1961 | 1981 | Cà Mau | Undergraduate | Kinh | Male | |
Nguyễn Hòa Bình | Member | Member | 1958 | 1981 | Quảng Ngãi | Graduate | Kinh | Male |
- Pinging TheUzbek. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:51, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I have changed "Not a member" to "Nonmember."
- Why change the colours? We will change not only the colours of this one but also all the Central Committee articles. These colour codes are also used in other FLs and the entire central committee lists of the Soviet, North Korean, Chinese, Laotian, Cuban, Yugoslav, and other communist parties. Wouldn't it be best not to change colours? TheUzbek (talk) 07:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I implemented this (despite ny inherent skepticism) :) TheUzbek (talk) 07:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it is for the best, and should be implemented on other similar articles. Here is why:
- The previous chart used the same color to represent two different things (members in one column; non-members in another). Additionally, it represented the same things from two different columns with different colors (members in one column were one color; members in the second column were a different color). Having those two intersect is doubly problematic.
- Since those problems are fixed, I am happy to now Support. 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- As you already know, it's not always easy to change one's mindset, but yes, you are probably right! TheUzbek (talk) 09:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by from Toadspike
- I suggest re-evaluating, as I did at the Secretariat list FLC, whether some of the columns should be removed. The table is too wide to fit on my computer screen without overflowing into the toolbar on the right. I can't imagine how bad it must be on a mobile phone. A lot of these names are redlinks, so perhaps including more info in this list is warranted, since we have nowhere else for it. I am open to discussing this.
- Some other parts of the table design should also be reviewed, such as the color coding and the slightly confusing "11th" and "13th" columns. Some of the entries make sense, like the "Expelled" one. Some do not – "Newcomer" and "Member" in the 11th column is exceedingly confusing, since it reads as if they were a newcomer to the 11th Secretariat, and I don't know why "Member"s are red. I suggest changing "newcomer' to a blank box (or dash –) and changing "member" to "reelected". I also suggest changing "unelected" to "not reelected" or a blank box – "unelected" sounds like they are still members of the Secretariat, but appointed via some other process instead of an election. Toadspike [Talk] 20:43, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- How is "Member" of the 11th CC column confusing, when it suggests they are "Members of the 11th CC"?
- You are saying that a) "The table is too wide to fit" and b) "more info in this list is warranted", which is contradictory.
- "unelected" changed to "Not elected"
- I think you are commenting on the wrong article...
- TheUzbek (talk) 05:00, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Image review – The only image used in the article is the party logo in the infobox; this aspect of the article looks okay now that the alt text issues brought up earlier in the review have been resolved. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 01:16, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): OpalYosutebito (talk) 14:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because... I believe it has the potential to be a featured list, as the list itself, as well as the prose and lead, have been extensively organized and expanded upon compared to what it once was. However, I'm still open to suggestions on how to further improve the article. - OpalYosutebito (talk) 14:25, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: added to WP:FLC on January 27. --PresN 12:37, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- This list is obviously missing slogans from the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s... Otherwise, a very good list! TheUzbek (talk) 17:14, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! I put the {{Dynamic list}} template on it. The government of North Korea issues out new slogans multiple times a year, too... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 03:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel like the list should address why it is missing so many slogans from the Kim Il-sung era. An uninformed reader might get the impression that propaganda has become worse with time. That is, of course, very wrong. And, to be honest, I am negatively inclined to such lists, and would advise to split the list up into three: List of propaganda slogans under Kim Il-sung's rule, List of propaganda slogans under Kim Jong-il's rule and List of propaganda slogans under Kim Jong-un's rule. The lists are then, at the very least, contained. If you don't keep this list up to date, no one will. TheUzbek (talk) 13:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I am opposing this since a) the nominator has not responded to my recent comments and b) there is an obvious lack of slogans from the Kim Il-sung period, which I would think are freely available in reliable sources. TheUzbek (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheUzbek I wasn't aware that you replied. Please keep in mind that I'm in school. Spring break starts tomorrow for me - OpalYosutebito (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, for the second point (b), I put the {{Dynamic list}} template on top, and I believe the main reason why there are so few "known" propaganda slogans from the early history of North Korea is simply due to the internet not being around at that time, but I'll need a source explaining that - OpalYosutebito (talk) 23:27, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I still maintain by oppose; clearly there are way more slogans for the Kim Il-sung era that could have been included here that are available in reliable sources. I am also afraid that this list will quickly become outdated. TheUzbek (talk) 12:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I am opposing this since a) the nominator has not responded to my recent comments and b) there is an obvious lack of slogans from the Kim Il-sung period, which I would think are freely available in reliable sources. TheUzbek (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel like the list should address why it is missing so many slogans from the Kim Il-sung era. An uninformed reader might get the impression that propaganda has become worse with time. That is, of course, very wrong. And, to be honest, I am negatively inclined to such lists, and would advise to split the list up into three: List of propaganda slogans under Kim Il-sung's rule, List of propaganda slogans under Kim Jong-il's rule and List of propaganda slogans under Kim Jong-un's rule. The lists are then, at the very least, contained. If you don't keep this list up to date, no one will. TheUzbek (talk) 13:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! I put the {{Dynamic list}} template on it. The government of North Korea issues out new slogans multiple times a year, too... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 03:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Royiswariii Comment
- Image Review
- File:Propaganda North Korea.jpg - CC-BY 2.0
- The image are passed and related on the article, just add a alternative text.
- I suggest to translate the sources into english.
That's all for me ROY is WAR Talk! 02:05, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I might've fixed that issue. Thanks for pointing it out! - OpalYosutebito (talk) 03:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Cowboygilbert
- The captions for the tables are redundant to the section headers which are immediately right before it. It should be changed to reflect the table itself and not the section in a whole. For example: "Calls to action" could be "Calls to action slogans in Chosŏn'gŭl and English, with selected details" or something by those lines. Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 05:42, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I just changed them - OpalYosutebito (talk) 13:25, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
- "
Within North Korea, propaganda slogans are an important aspect of propaganda in North Korea.
" sounds very repetitive within itself; what about something like "Propaganda in North Korea contains several slogans which are considered an important aspect."? - "expected to behave, think, and even dress" --> "expected to behave, think, and dress"; more neutral wording
- "are very similar to propaganda" --> "are similar to propaganda"; more neutral wording
- Unlink South Korea per MOS:OVERLINK
- Unlink United States in the "Anti-capitalist sentiments" paragraph
- Also, the last sentence of that paragraph is entirely unsourced
- Additionally, the image in this section lacks alt text
- Chosŏn'gŭl probably only needs linked in the first table
I think that's all I have, TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:59, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the feedback! How does it look now, @TheDoctorWho? - OpalYosutebito (talk) 02:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:33, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NØ
- I agree with TheDoctorWho's comment above that the opening sentence is repetitive. I guess another suggestion to reduce this could be the following: "Within North Korea, slogans are an important aspect of propaganda."
- "However, the last in-person performance was held in 2018 amidst bilateral tensions,[5] and was subsequently delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic." - Avoid "however", as it is a filler word.
- "Likewise, there exist slogans supporting the sustainability and creation of renewable and non-renewable resources such as electricity, coal and water" - Nitpicky, but maybe go for "Likewise, slogans supporting the sustainability and creation of renewable and non-renewable resources such as electricity, coal and water also exist."
- "Despite hostile relations between South Korea, posters have been made in support of Korean reunification" - between South Korea and whom?
- "In the case of North Korea, Kim Jong Un has stated that the population's thinking and morals are "united closely around the leader"" - First mention of Jong Un in the article body, so should his article be linked?
- The tables look great. With the amount of slogans present here, I can only imagine that the list is very comprehensive and well-researched.
- I am currently unsure how the linking in the References is formatted. I can see you have linked NK News, but other sources that have articles, like The Times, ABC News, etc. are not linked? This should be consistent. I can also see that, between two links that both go to BBC.com, one's reference says "BBC News" and the other just says "BBC". Consistency with this would be a good idea.
- I think that should be the end of my feedback. Work is required mostly in the references but it should not be impossible to complete this within the time constraints of an FLC.--NØ 10:01, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @OpalYosutebito for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:53, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi @Hey man im josh. I was at school when I made some of the edits so please let me know if I missed anything... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 13:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MaranoFan is the one you should be pinging. I'm just following up on comments. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Other changes look good, but I am still not sure how the linking in the References has been formatted. NK News is linked on ref 3 but not on ref 1, ABC News is not linked and the ref is using both work and publisher (others only use one), and BBC News is now linked on two refs. You would want to a) link each website on the chronologically first reference that uses it and none of the others, or b) link each website on every reference that uses it. Other formats are considered inconsistent.--NØ 03:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm leaning more towards b - OpalYosutebito (talk) 04:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Would be happy to support when that point is implemented in the article.--NØ 16:09, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OpalYosutebito: Would you like more help from me to understand the changes necessary? I don't think they should be time-consuming, but the needle does not seem to have moved at all towards addressal.--NØ 17:53, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure! Any bit helps, but keep in mind that I've been a bit busy with schoolwork... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 17:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm leaning more towards b - OpalYosutebito (talk) 04:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Other changes look good, but I am still not sure how the linking in the References has been formatted. NK News is linked on ref 3 but not on ref 1, ABC News is not linked and the ref is using both work and publisher (others only use one), and BBC News is now linked on two refs. You would want to a) link each website on the chronologically first reference that uses it and none of the others, or b) link each website on every reference that uses it. Other formats are considered inconsistent.--NØ 03:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MaranoFan is the one you should be pinging. I'm just following up on comments. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi @Hey man im josh. I was at school when I made some of the edits so please let me know if I missed anything... - OpalYosutebito (talk) 13:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Pinging @OpalYosutebito for follow up. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:53, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- Propaganda poster in a primary school - DPRK (2604154887).jpg needs alt text.
- "In propaganda slogans, Americans are often referred to as "imperialists"." is unsourced.
- What is the inclusion criteria?
- "and even dress" seems to be POV. Please change it to "and dress".
- Please translate source titles.
- Many notes are unsourced.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:37, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not done but for the "imperialist" part, can I provide specific examples (along with the sources)? - OpalYosutebito (talk) 22:06, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, the inclusion criteria is kind of in the table headers, if that makes sense - OpalYosutebito (talk) 15:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, some notes are observations, such as notes e and k (the ones about the nukes aimed at the US, and the Juche torch). These are supposed to help readers understand the context of the slogans and their corresponding images a little more - OpalYosutebito (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, the inclusion criteria is kind of in the table headers, if that makes sense - OpalYosutebito (talk) 15:05, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042 Done (as far as I know)! - OpalYosutebito (talk) 02:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support, I an still unsure about the inclusion criteria, but other than that this is a great list. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:34, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I will do my best to definitively include it. Where would be a good place to put the criteria? Above the "List of slogans by topic", or above each list by topic (such as having one criteria above "Anti-western sentiments", one above "Juche/self-reliance", etc) - OpalYosutebito (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If the criteria are different for each table have on above each, but if they are all the same just have one at the top. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:50, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042 added criteria - OpalYosutebito (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Good job, full support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:52, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042 added criteria - OpalYosutebito (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If the criteria are different for each table have on above each, but if they are all the same just have one at the top. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:50, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I will do my best to definitively include it. Where would be a good place to put the criteria? Above the "List of slogans by topic", or above each list by topic (such as having one criteria above "Anti-western sentiments", one above "Juche/self-reliance", etc) - OpalYosutebito (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support, I an still unsure about the inclusion criteria, but other than that this is a great list. History6042😊 (Contact me) 02:34, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not done but for the "imperialist" part, can I provide specific examples (along with the sources)? - OpalYosutebito (talk) 22:06, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IntentionallyDense
- The opening sentence still doesn't seem amazing to me, for lack of better words. The sentence seems to be saying very little with a lot of words. Maybe something along the lines of "Slogans play an important role in North Korean propaganda".
- A wikilink, footnote or brief explanation of "Supreme Leader" would be nice
- Despite hostile relations between North and South Korea, as well as being regarded as a secluded nation, slogans and posters have been made in support of Korean reunification, while others were made to promote the April Spring Friendship Art Festival. this sentence just doesn't seem quite right to me. I think the sentence could honestly do without the secluded nation part as what is important here is reunification. Additionally, without context the "April Spring Friendship Art Festival" part doesn't make sense. What I mean is that it leaves me wondering "why is that festival important enough to be mentioned in the lead". Even with some context from the next sentence I fail to see the significance here. I think it would be more meaningful to summarize the content in "Recurring themes" for the lead as this gives readers a brief introduction to what these slogans contain.
- Likewise, slogans supporting the sustainability and creation of renewable and non-renewable resources, such as electricity, coal and water, also exist. "also exist" doesn't really say much. Maybe reword to "Other common themes..." or something along those lines
- Slogans have also been... Posters have also been... these are kind of repetitive but I'd recommend removing "also" from both as it is redundant
- Capitalist countries, such as South Korea and the United States, are portrayed in a negative light, often depicted being killed or humiliated by North Korean soldiers the wording here is strange. It sounds like you are saying that soldiers are killing a country which doesn't sound right (unless that is true). If the posters depict soldiers killing civilians then maybe change it to that instead.
- Americans doesn't need a wikilink
Impressive list! Ping me when you can get back to me! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 05:09, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the feedback, @IntentionallyDense! As for the second-to-last bullet, I was trying to say something like South Korean and American soldiers/people are portrayed in a negative light. I hope the latest revision fixed most of the issues! - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 19:01, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- coal and water, also exist. also exist could be removed here.
- (Korean: 일심단결; lit. One heart, one mind, also referred to as "single-minded unity") may look better as a footnote but this is just personal preference so I'll leave you to decide that.
- For the "criteria" section, maybe word it more along the lines of "The following slogans:
- Originated in North Korea
- Pertain to at least one of the recurring themes (the bullet point below this one in the article seems a bit repetitive and I'm not sure what it is trying to say)
- Wording fits the definition of propaganda.
- I don't think the final bullet point under criteria is needed as this is universal across all lists. Additionally these bullet points could be transformed into prose and added after The following is a non-exhaustive list of North Korean slogans with propagandic intent sorted by message or theme to make the article "flow" a bit better if that makes sense
- Thanks for getting back to me so quickly, all of your changes thusfar look great! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 19:58, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OpalYosutebito: Are you still planning on working on this? This nomination is getting pretty old, and these comments have been waiting for a couple weeks. --PresN 21:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I completely forgot about that! I'll work on it now... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:19, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @IntentionallyDense How do they look now? - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:37, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it looks much better now. Your recent changes made the criteria to list transition much smoother. Great work! Support. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! I've been busy with school, by the way, and it's late where I'm at, so that's why progress has been sporadic... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it looks much better now. Your recent changes made the criteria to list transition much smoother. Great work! Support. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 03:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OpalYosutebito: Are you still planning on working on this? This nomination is getting pretty old, and these comments have been waiting for a couple weeks. --PresN 21:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted. --PresN 01:16, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2025 (UTC) [21].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:04, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since European Figure Skating Championships was just promoted to FL, here is its counterpart: the World Figure Skating Championships. Only the Olympics carry greater weight. As such, this is one of the flagship articles of the Figure Skating WikiProject and should be of the highest quality. Hyperion82 and I worked very hard a while back to improve both this article and the European article, and I believe the quality here is evident. The results are all sourced and documented, the tables are properly formatted, a well-sourced history is provided and I believe the sources are properly formatted, and relevant photographs are used to reflect both the present-day and historical contexts. Additionally, I have already adapted changes that were requested on the European article to this one so as to avoid the same issues. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or comments, and thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:04, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose from Airship
Not a list. Nominate at WP:FAC instead. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that European Figure Skating Championships, Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships, and List of Olympic medalists in figure skating have all been promoted as Featured Lists seems to nullify this argument. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:23, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- By my rough estimation, this is less than 10% prose by length. The remainder consists of some very long tables. I can see why a glance at the lead would give the impression that this should be an article, but I respectfully disagree that judging this at FAC is any more appropriate than FLC. Toadspike [Talk] 20:53, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- His point, which I don't think has been made very clear, is that World Figure Skating Championships could be a standalone article and a list of medal holders should be a distinct one. That is, we Wikipedians are turning articles that should be rightfully articles into lists. That might be true, but even if someone made that article, I would presume the medalholders would just be moved to a distinct article. TheUzbek (talk) 06:29, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- That is a reasonable point, thank you for clarifying. I agree with your last sentence, though – until someone splits the history from the list of medal holders, this is a de facto list. If that happens, we can move the FLC star to the new page as needed. Toadspike [Talk] 08:12, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- His point, which I don't think has been made very clear, is that World Figure Skating Championships could be a standalone article and a list of medal holders should be a distinct one. That is, we Wikipedians are turning articles that should be rightfully articles into lists. That might be true, but even if someone made that article, I would presume the medalholders would just be moved to a distinct article. TheUzbek (talk) 06:29, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- By my rough estimation, this is less than 10% prose by length. The remainder consists of some very long tables. I can see why a glance at the lead would give the impression that this should be an article, but I respectfully disagree that judging this at FAC is any more appropriate than FLC. Toadspike [Talk] 20:53, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
Putting this down here as a placeholder. I disagree with the above oppose and will leave some comments within the next 72 hours. Feel free to ping me if it's been that long and I haven't responded here yet. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Finally got a chance to look this over:
- I'd suggest adding a very short summary of the history into the lead; specifically that it was first held in 1896
- Perhaps also a short sentence in the lead about the women's competition initially being a separate event
- I believe per MOS:BOLD that ISU Championships should only be in bold if it redirects to that section
- "
Compulsory figures were retired from the World Championships after 1990.
" - can I suggest merging that sentence into the paragraph above. I think it would fit since they're both describing changes to the competition (WP:PARAGRAPH talks about using single sentence paragraphs sparingly)
- There's several empty columns for the upcoming competitions, not sure how long it'll be until announced, but perhaps add {{TBA}} in the meantime?
- This 2025 competition begins this week (and I'll be in attendance!), so those cells will be filled by the weekend. I previously removed the 2026 rows which had been added so as to avoid having empty rows sitting on these tables for a full year. Bgsu98 (Talk) 07:42, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To explain my disagreement with the above oppose in more detail, the primary content of this page is the lists of medalists. It's not unusual for lists like this to have a larger introductory section, to explain background in further detail. The above named lists also provide a clear precedent for this. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your feedback. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 07:42, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Noted on the 2025 cells, they'll likely be filled before this article is promoted. That said, I'm happy to support. Nice work!
TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:56, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Noted on the 2025 cells, they'll likely be filled before this article is promoted. That said, I'm happy to support. Nice work!
- Thank you for your feedback. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 07:42, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheUzbek
- "The World Figure Skating Championships are an annual figure skating competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union (ISU)." ---> "The World Figure Skating Championships is an annual figure skating competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union (ISU)."
- "Championships" is plural. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "The competitors were from either Germany, Austria, or Russia and were all men." ---> "The competitors were all men from Germany, Austria, or Russia. "
- "The championships have been organized since 1896 with only four interruptions" ---> "The championships have been organized since 1896, with only four interruptions."
- That comma would not be correct. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "A separate competition for women was established in 1905, with the men's and women's competitions held separately for several years." ----> "A women's competition was established in 1905, with men's and women's events held separately for several years."
- "Pair skating was added in 1908 and ice dance in 1952. " ---> "Pair skating was added in 1908 and ice dancing in 1952. "
- Ice dance is the correct term for the event. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Skaters may compete at the World Championships if they represent a member nation of the International Skating Union and are selected by their federation." ---> "Competitors are eligible to participate in the World Championships provided they represent a member nation of the International Skating Union and have been selected by their respective federation."
- "The championships were presumed to be all-male since competitive skating was generally viewed as a male sport. " ---> "The championships were initially exclusively male, as competitive skating has historically been regarded as a male sport."
- This is not true as women did compete, but it was rare. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "However, there were no specific rules regarding the gender of competitors. " ---> "However, there were no rules barring women. "
- "Originally there were no any age restrictions at all." ---> "Originally, there were no age restrictions at all."
- "Beginning with the 1996–97 season, skaters had to be at least 15 years old before July 1 of the previous year." ---> "Starting from the 1996–97 season, skaters must be at least 15 years old by July 1 of the previous year."
- "However, there were some exceptions during a few following seasons. One exception allowed those who already had skated in senior events to stay at that level. " --> "However, the federation allowed for two exceptions. Firstly, skaters younger than 15 who had already competed in senior events could continue competing at the championships."
- "There was also an exception that skaters who had won medals at the World Junior Championships were eligible to compete as seniors at the ISU Championships." -- > "Secondly, skaters who won medals at the World Junior Championships were allowed to compete as seniors at the ISU Championships."
- Readers who don't know much about this topic don't know what a "ISU Congress" or "ISU Council" is. Just add a by-sentence :)
- Tables good!
--TheUzbek (talk) 09:37, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- TheUzbek, thank you for your feedback! I am not going to address each point above individually, but did implement several of your suggestions. You can examine the revisions here. Basically, if there's no comment above, it was probably implemented, although maybe not word-for-word. Please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "featured only four competitors" ---> "featured four competitors"
- This was nullified by a change you recommended below. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Ice dance" and not "Ice dancing"... Even the article on "Ice dance" says "Ice dancing" is not incorrect.
- Ice dance has replaced ice dancing as the official name of the sport. I don't know what else to say. It's the same as with women's which replaced ladies'. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "The championships were presumed to be exclusively for me since competitive skating was generally viewed as a male sport" ---> "Since competitive skating was generally viewed as a male sport, the championships were presumed to be an exclusive male event."
- YOu changed the sentence "The World Championships have been cancelled 16 times in the competition's history" to "The World Championships have been interrupted four times in the competition's history" without changing sources.
- The information didn't change. The original text counted total years; I switched it to interruptions, as each interruption for war lasted several years. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "The first World Championships were held in 1896 in Saint Petersburg" --> "The first competitions were held in 1896 in Saint Petersburg, and the championships have been held every year since, except for four interruptions."
- The tidbit about featuring "only four competitors, all of whom were men from either Germany, Austria, or Russia" does not seem relevant to the lead and does not fit well with the other information.
Done Flushed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- No need to thank me, I am not Kim Jong-un or any sort of deity.
- This is a volunteer project and everyone's time is valuable. When anyone chooses to spend their time assisting me with an endeavor, I try to remember to thank them for their time.
- TheUzbek (talk) 06:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- TheUzbek, updated. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "The first World Championships were held in 1896 in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and have been held since 1896 with only four interruptions." - Two 1896 in the same sentence seems a bit much.
- TheUzbek (talk) 10:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- TheUzbek Oops. Fixed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support! TheUzbek (talk) 06:08, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- TheUzbek Oops. Fixed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- TheUzbek, updated. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:44, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support from Toadspike
Lead
- "The first World Championships were held in 1896 in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and have been held ever since..." – for some reason this reads really weirdly. I think the second half of the sentence is missing a subject ("it" or "they"). Also, no comma needed before "and" since there are only two items in the list.
- I believe the comma is required because of the ,Russia before it. It’s some Wikipedia peculiarity. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- When you say that men's and women's competitions were "held separately" in the lead and body, what does that mean? Were they in entirely different cities, or just not at the exact same time? I see that in 1906 they had different locations, but in '07 and '08 they had the same location.
- Sometimes yes to all of that. I did slightly reword it. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:17, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Might want a comma before "provided" in the second paragraph of the lead, but I'm not sure if it's required.
- What are "element scores"? If it's too complex to explain, is there a good wikilink?
- Yes, way too complex. I did add a wikilink. You can let me know (please) if it is useful. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:08, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98 I think the section has been retitled, so the section link takes me someplace weird. I suggest adding an TM:Anchor to the section you want to link to. That aside, that article is indeed very helpful; thank you for adding the link. Toadspike [Talk] 12:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Toadspike, it wasn't, I just had it directed to the wrong section. It should be good now. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "the most prestigious annual event" followed by "second only to the Olympics" feels odd, even though it is technically correct. I would stick the word "quadrennial" before "Olympics" to make the distinction clear. Or you could reword the sentence to remove "annual", but that might only add to the confusion.
- "for junior-level" sounds incomplete on its own. Suggest rewording to: "The corresponding competitions for senior and junior-level synchronized skating are the World Synchronized Skating Championships and the World Junior Synchronized Skating Championships." You could also drop "senior and junior-level" entirely, given that the name says which is which.
- Unless I'm mistaken, "the most World championships" --> "the most World Championships"
- I changed it to “World Championship titles”. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:17, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure you need to mention "four while partnered with Alexei Ulanov and another six with Alexander Zaitsev" in the lead, since Ulanov is only given a footnote in the body. If you want to keep it, I would reword it as "the pair with the most titles is Rodnina and Alexander Zaitsev (with six)" or similar.
- I believe it is worded better now. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:41, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- All the changes made to the lead look good, thank you. Toadspike [Talk] 12:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History
- Internationale Eislauf-Vereingung should be placed in a langr template and marked as German (MOS:FOREIGN). Unless it was commonly used in English, but when I checked the cited source (8) I couldn't find that name at all. I'm guessing this is from source 9?
- "The first championship [...] was held in Saint Petersburg, Russia, in 1896" – the cited source (8) says that they were preceded by some European Championships, jointly with speed skating. Is this worth mentioning? If not, I would reword "The first championship" to "The first World Figure Skating Championships" to be very clear, since the ISU apparently did host championships before then. If you don't like the capitalized proper name, "The first world championships in figure skating" (lowercase, generic) also works.
- "called the ISU Championships rather than the World Championships" – add a comma before "rather"
- Also, if they were retroactively "upgraded" to World status, perhaps change "were known as" to "were known at the time as". Not required, though, since it's a minor technicality.
- Same sentence, replace ", and" with ";". The comma is incorrect but removing it would make the sentence too long and confusing, so a semicolon is a good solution.
- "all three competitions" – for those of us lacking in short-term memory, it might be helpful to list them in parentheses afterwards, but not required.
- For better flow and clarity, suggest: "Every four years, the Winter Olympics take place roughly a month before the World Championships, causing a number of Olympic medalists to miss the World Championships." (second-to-last P of the section)
- What does "turning professional" mean and why would it prevent them from competing at the World Championships?
- All of these items should now be addressed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:12, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks great now! Toadspike [Talk] 12:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Records
- The table in the Records section was very confusing to me. I spent a good while wondering how Henie, who competed in the 20s and 30s, could sweep a competition in 2021. (It looks like the people on the left are somehow connected to the sweeps on the right). Do you think it'd be a good idea to split the "Most championship titles" and "Medal sweeps" into two separate tables?
- I ditched it. That table was a carryover from a sister article and I’ve never liked the inclusion of the medal sweeps. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:32, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I would also clarify the two separate entries for the Pairs with footnotes: the first is the pair with the most titles, the second is the individual with most titles. After reading the lead, it took me a while to figure out why Rodnina is listed twice.
- There is a footnote present. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:32, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I meant adding another footnote, one for each row. However, on re-reading it now, it seems clear enough as-is, especially without the confusing Sweeps column. Toadspike [Talk] 12:27, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Toadspike, thank you for your feedback and suggestions! Please let me know if you have any other suggestions or concerns. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:13, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Toadspike, let me know if you’ve had a chance to look over the edits I’ve made per your recommendations, and thank you! 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Qualifying
- "the minimum total element scores, which is determined" – since "scores" are plural, shouldn't it say "are determined"? I think a better solution might be to remove "which is" altogether and just begin with "determined" after the comma.
- "the accumulation of points" – what points? Is 1 point = 1 eligible competitor? This part is a little confusing to me. I don't mind the long quote, but (based on how excellent your other explanations have been) I think you could explain it better.
- "skaters younger than 15 who had already competed in senior-level events" – does this mean "international events"? If the list of such events is short enough (like two or three), could you list them all here? I'm assuming countries cannot just set up a "senior-level event" with no age limit today and then send tiny children to the World Championships.
The rest of this section looks good, as do all the medal tables, which I've skimmed over. I don't know how active I'll be over the next few days, and I trust you to address the three things I've listed, so I will preemptively leave my support for this FL nomination. Toadspike [Talk] 12:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, they are international events, and there are dozens and dozens of them (way too many to list; many don't even have Wikipedia articles), but they are all sanctioned by and overseen by the ISU, so countries can't monkey around to try and skirt the rules. (They find other ways to do that; see the controversy with the Chinese gymnastics team a few years back...)
- I will address these issues and try to find some way to make the second issue a little clearer. Honestly, the point system is not even clear for diehard skating fans. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Toadspike Just verifying that I did address those issues. Thank you for your input and suggestions! Bgsu98 (Talk) 05:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98 The first and third points look good now. I think you may have misunderstood my confusion on the second one: The long quote from the ISU's "Special Regulations & Technical Rules", which you have now rephrased/summarized, is not the issue. The issue is that the article doesn't say what the points are used for – looking at the "Special Regulations & Technical Rules", I'm referring to the part under Rule 378, 3.b), where there is a table answering my question. I also didn't understand that more points is worse, not better. Now that I've understood it I suggest rephrasing the last two sentences of that paragraph as:
ISU member nations are allowed to enter at least one competitor in each discipline. A points system allows member nations to enter additional competitors, up to a total of three in a discipline, based on a the nation's performance in that discipline at the previous World Championships.
- If you want to, you can also add something like "Nations with better placements in a discipline at the previous World Championships are allowed to enter more competitors in that discipline."
- I think that covers all the important bits; I can't figure out a way to explain only some of the details of the points system without making it really confusing, and explaining all of the details is undue, so this is the best I've got. If you can improve this, please do. Toadspike [Talk] 13:35, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Toadspike, I inserted your recommended sentences (with slight modifications). You can take a look at the previous version of this article here with the "explanation" it provided. I'm a pretty diehard skating fan, and even I was like, What the hell? Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made, and it's about the same with figure skating point allocations. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:47, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Awesome, thanks! The previous version has made my eyes glaze over...they somehow took the ISU rules and made them even more incomprehensible. Toadspike [Talk] 14:21, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Toadspike, I inserted your recommended sentences (with slight modifications). You can take a look at the previous version of this article here with the "explanation" it provided. I'm a pretty diehard skating fan, and even I was like, What the hell? Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made, and it's about the same with figure skating point allocations. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:47, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Toadspike Just verifying that I did address those issues. Thank you for your input and suggestions! Bgsu98 (Talk) 05:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on 15 sources match what they are being cited for
Feedback:
- Ref 9 – Add the url-access parameter to note that this story is accessed in full with a subscription by adding
|url-access=subscription
- Does it, because I don't have a subscription and I'm able to read the full article?
- Ref 10 – Link Associated Press
- Ref 10 – Add
|via=[[Google News Archive]]
to note that the source is on Google News Archive - Ref 11 – Link NBC Sports
- Ref 13 – Set the work to ESPN and the agency to Associated Press
- Ref 3 – Link to Tampere
- Ref 5 – Link to University of Illinois Press
Please ping me when the above has been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- User:Hey man im josh, these should all be fixed, including the Los Angeles Times one which didn't require a subscription for me to access. Thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. It may be a limited amount of views of articles before access is blocked for LA Times. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2025 (UTC) [22].[reply]
- Nominator(s): BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this as a featured list because I think it would be a nice complement to the main Josette Simon article. I've had a pretty thorough look through various lists of performances and the ones I couldn't get a good source for are listed on the Talk Page. I am open to all improvement suggestions, and, indeed, for any better suggestions for the title of the article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "cast by Kyle as Rosaline, in Love's Labour's Lost" - don't think that comma is needed
- Titles that start with "A" or "The" should sort based on the next word in the title
- Roles that have a surname should sort based on the surname
- Fixed the three points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- MIdsomer Murders shows the channel (ITV) for one row but not the other
- It airs in the UK some time after the US, and perhaps hasn't been broadcast in the UK yet. I'm looking into this. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I added Acorn TV, where it seems to have been available first. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Zapped can't have aired on U&Dave in 2018 as it wasn't called that until 2024
- Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You have both "BBC1" and "BBC One" in the table
- BBC1 and BBC2 became BBC One and BBC Two in 1997. Do I need to change the pre-1997 entries? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Some of the RSC productions have no director listed - are they not known?
- I'll have another look around sources. The Shakespeare Birthplace Trust website seems to have the same info as Michael Mullin's Theatre at Stratford-Upon-Avon: First Supplement: A Catalogue-Index to Productions of the Royal Shakespeare Company 1979-1973 which sounds like it ought to be definitive. Some of the ones with no director listed were single performances or very short runs and some of them were concert performances rather than plays. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I managed to fill in one of the blanks, and added "unknown" elsewhere. Also added some clippings which are arguably redundant but do give some idea of what those performances were about. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "BBC Radio 4, including two episodes in 2006)" - there's a stray bracket at the end
- Removed. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:54, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks, ChrisTheDude. I've replied inline. Please let me know about anything else that is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:21, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source Review by History6042
- Sources are reliable enough.
- Nothing is unsourced.
- Dates in references all use DMY format.
- Some sources still need to be archived.
- I spotchecked 15 sources and they were all fine. History6042😊 (Contact me) 20:01, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
- The short description could be dialed in just a tad more, perhaps something like "English actress filmography" or "Filmography of English actress"
- Amended. (See Talk:Josette_Simon#Question.) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Josette Simon OBE" generates a MOS:BLUESEA
- Looks like potnominals are the subject of ongoing discussion. I've removed OBE per my reading of the current MOS:POSTNOM. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikilink breakthrough role in the lead
- Done. I'll bear that in mind for other articles. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Ref" ---> "Ref(s)" in the table headers since many have more than one reference
- Hmm, seems to be a feature of the template I used. The FAQ at Template:Reference column heading has "Communicating to the reader that the column contains references is essential; letting them know whether to expect one or multiple references per line is not." I can change this if you think it's required. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Several of the episode lists are linked in the notes section, but not all. For example, Casualty doesn't link to any of the Lists of Casualty episodes articles; this should be consistent in one format or the other.
- I split the row with two series into two rows. I also saw the Poirot link was inconsistent. I think it's OK now but let me know if naything else needs fixing. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The third listing for Silent Witness has an extra quote in front of the episode title
- Ref 159 links to a Golden Girls cast listing instead of The Party
- Ref 171 links to a The Tin Can People cast listing instead of Great Peace
- Fixed those three issues. 21:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
I think that's all I have! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks, TheDoctorWho. Please let me know if anything else is required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, I'm used to people using {{abbr}} for that rather than the template you linked. That said, since the "(s)" is in the actual tooltip, I'm satisfied with it. Happy to support, nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2025 (UTC) [23].[reply]
- Nominator(s): PresN 19:20, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mammal list #54 in our perpetual series and bat list #13: Mormoopidae, or the ghost-faced and mustached bats. This is the last little list of little bats- after this, it's just the giant capstone list. Eleven bats, all 2-3 inches long, eating bugs around the tropics of the Americas. They do have the funnest family name to say, though- try it out yourself! As always, this list reflects formatting discussions from prior lists as well as the scientific consensus on the family. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 19:20, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I couldn't find anything. Awesome work once again PresN! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:20, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by MikeVitale
- Literally the only thing I could find is that, after having read this article, I still don't know how to pronounce "mormoopids" properly. I can come up with 5 different ways to say it, but would perhaps including an IPA transcription help? --MikeVitale 16:47, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MikeVitale: I don't actually know the correct latin way myself; I just like to say mor-moop-ids. --PresN 18:23, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- OED says it's "mor-moh-OP-id" or "mor-moh-AH-puhd" depending on if you're British or USian. (No word on what the pronunciation is if you speak Canadian English. :) ) https://www.oed.com/dictionary/mormoopid_n?tl=true. --MikeVitale 19:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MikeVitale: Added an IPA template. --PresN 22:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ... :parrot-dad-emoji: Support. --MikeVitale 00:06, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MikeVitale: Added an IPA template. --PresN 22:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- OED says it's "mor-moh-OP-id" or "mor-moh-AH-puhd" depending on if you're British or USian. (No word on what the pronunciation is if you speak Canadian English. :) ) https://www.oed.com/dictionary/mormoopid_n?tl=true. --MikeVitale 19:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MikeVitale: I don't actually know the correct latin way myself; I just like to say mor-moop-ids. --PresN 18:23, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- "The family Mormoopidae consists of eleven species in two genera: Mormoops and Pteronotus." needs an inline citation.
- It's a WP:CALC summary of the below tables
- Same with "No mormoopids have population estimates, though the Paraguana moustached bat is categorized as an endangered species."
- It's a WP:CALC summary of the below tables
- Where are the sources for the second and third columns?
- The IUCN ref for the species ("Ranges are based on the IUCN Red List for that species unless otherwise noted."), though it doesn't actually say that the author citations are too, does it? Now added to that sentence.
- If the sources cover everything in the row they should be moved to their own column.
- After 54 lists, it seems that most people are fine with it where it is given the "Conventions" bit.
- I can't fully tell by looking at the source code, but do the tables have captions?
- Yep, the e.g. "Genus Mormoops – Leach, 1821 – two species" is the caption element
- Same for row and column scopes and alt text for images.
- Yep, the template(s) set the scopes and alt text
- Are more detailed dates than just the year available for sources?
- There are not, though journal citations are typically just the year anyway.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:23, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: Responded inline, thanks for reviewing! --PresN 13:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:52, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: Responded inline, thanks for reviewing! --PresN 13:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
- Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on sources match what they are being cited for
Looks good! Support Hey man im josh (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): MikeVitale 03:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because the Golden Gophers women's ice hockey team is very notable within the realm of women's college ice hockey in the United States, and I believe that their list of seasons meets FLC criteria. --MikeVitale 03:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "The Minnesota Golden Gophers women's ice hockey team plays for the University of Minnesota at the Twin Cities campus in Minneapolis." - I think "The Minnesota Golden Gophers women's ice hockey team represents the University of Minnesota and plays at the Twin Cities campus in Minneapolis." would work better
- Done
- "in their third season of play[4], " - ref should be after punctuation, not before
- Done
- "Brad Frost took over as the Gophers coach" => "Brad Frost took over as the Gophers' coach"
- Done
- "Laura Halldorson was the first head coach for the Minnesota Golden Gophers women's ice hockey team" - needs a full stop
- Done
- "Brad Frost is the current head coach of the Minnesota Golden Gophers women's ice hockey team" - also needs a full stop
- Done
- "Season Result" should not have a capital R
- Done
- "Lost Semifinals vs. " - "semifinals" isn't a proper noun so there is no reason for a capital. Also, where I live, it's written as "semi-finals", but maybe without a hyphen is valid in US English......?
- Lower-case done, but I left it as an un-hyphenated word, as its normal to do so here.
- Same (both comments) for "Quarterfinals"
- Same comments as above
- "First Round" also doesn't need capitals
- Done
- What is "Frozen Four"? Is there an appropriate link?
- Added link (after creating appropriate information on linked page)
- Other university names should probably be linked
- Done -- Note that I elected to add wikilinks for all opponents, once per row. So if Minnesota played (for example) Wisconsin in both the WCHA tournament as well as the NCAA tournament, they should only be linked in the WCHA tournament (since that column is first.)
- This might lead to a follow-up comment of overlinking, because Wisconsin is linked in many rows. If ya think I'm in violation of MOS:OVERLINK, then I'll fix it. But that's the choice I made when responding to your comments.
- "OT" and"2OT" abbreviations are unexplained
- Added to Key as well as Added
{{abbr}}
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- Added to Key as well as Added
- That's what I got
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:25, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your comments, and taking the time to review the FLC, @ChrisTheDude. Please let me know if you find anything else! --MikeVitale 21:30, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042's review
- References should be moved to their own column in the table if they source everything in the row.
- Done
- Nothing is unsourced.
- Sources consistently use MDY.
- All sources need archive links.
- I ran IABot on the page; it archived one link.
- There seems to be excessive reliance on primary sources as most sources are from the team's website.
- Only for factual information like records. I intentionally found non-primary sources for everything in the lede section. Unfortunately, this type of information is notoriously hard to find for women's sports, especially for 25+ years ago.
- What is Frozen Four, if it is the semi-finals please explain that in the article.
- Please see response above to ChrisTheDude, who had a similar comment.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 14:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for taking the time to review the page, @History6042. I look forward to your future comments and suggestions. --MikeVitale 22:01, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If it is all done than I support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:09, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
- Color/symbol: Season results of 2015–16 does have the " † " symbol in the box.
- Done
- I am reading the article from desktop view, and the images do not fit on the right side of the table and looks odd as the two images seem hanging on right side above the box, then starts the table. If you add " |140px " in the template, it perfectly fits on the right side. And put the image template after the As of March 27, 2025[update].
- Done
Below are suggestions (you may or may not follow) which may give some value to the article and make the article more interesting:
- "See Also" section is for readers not for research purpose, better keep it before Reference section, reader mostly do not go for reference(navigate from the citation number) or below reference.
- Done
- For research purpose, you may provide few important "External Links" below Reference section.(e.g. link of stats or history of Minnesota Golden Gophers/WCHA/AWCHA, bio/career of Laura & Brad, or link of books/magazine if available under "Further Reading" section, any link which you think can be valuable for future purpose)
- If I come across some things to put in such a section, I will definitely add them.
- Since, I understand the value of stats, I would suggest for archived links, can be done with available tools or manually.
I think that's all from me. Drat8sub (talk) 12:00, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the review and ideas. Per above, most have been implemented. Let me know if you come up with other improvements. --MikeVitale 01:42, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- I think that's it, article is well structured, mos checked, follows all criteria, well written, comprehensive, well sourced and stable.
- Drat8sub (talk) 07:23, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
- This would benefit from a short description per WP:SDLIST (which overrides that of SDNONE) just because not every reader will know who the "Minnesota Golden Gophers" are (could be professional, college, recreational, intermural). I'd suggest something like "American university ice hockey seasons"
- Done. It's now "Seasons of American women's collegiate hockey team"
- Seems like "List of seasons" or even something simple like "Seasons" would be a more descriptive section header than "Year by year"
- Done.
- What's up with the empty column header at the top of the main table?
- Done. It wasn't actually an empty column header, but I could definitely see where it appeared that way. I changed the column headers to make it more clear.
- The 10 empty cells at the top of the table can be filled with {{N/A}}
- Done.
- The documentation for {{ref label}}/{{note label}} says that this isn't the currently preferred style because it doesn't work with reference tooltips. Can I suggest converting to {{efn}}/{{notelist}} (or something similar that does) to help aid readers?
- Done.
- No link to this article exists in {{Western Collegiate Hockey Association women's navbox}} or {{University of Minnesota campus}}, they should either be removed or one should be added per WP:BIDI
- Removed.
I think that's all I have. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your review and comments. Please let me know if you find anything else I can improve in the article. --MikeVitale 00:38, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to support, nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source review by Bgsu98
I will do a proper source review when I get home this afternoon, but I noticed right away that most of the sources are not archived, so that will need to be done before the article can be promoted. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- History6042 (I'm intentionally not tagging them) mentioned the same thing up above. As I said in response, I ran the IABot, and it found archives for one link.
- What action can I take that will create archives for the rest of the source links? --MikeVitale 18:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I hate to break the bad news to you, but you will have to do it manually. Yes, it sucks, but once you get the hang of it, it should go quickly. Please let me know if you have any questions about the process. Meanwhile, I will proceed with the rest of the source review momentarily. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, thanks. I'm currently in the process of adding the archive-url links, etc. Might finish this evening, might not be done until tomorrow. I'll mention here when I'm done. --MikeVitale 23:59, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- All done. The last archive-url is from before the most recent season started, so the archive-url shows a 0-0 record. All URLs are still live. --MikeVitale 01:14, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If one of those links is from a season in progress (or otherwise not over), you might choose to remove the archive now and then add it once the season is ended. I did that at World Figure Skating Championships so as to not archive a link that didn't show the results from the 2025 competition. But that's up to you. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- All done. The last archive-url is from before the most recent season started, so the archive-url shows a 0-0 record. All URLs are still live. --MikeVitale 01:14, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, thanks. I'm currently in the process of adding the archive-url links, etc. Might finish this evening, might not be done until tomorrow. I'll mention here when I'm done. --MikeVitale 23:59, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I hate to break the bad news to you, but you will have to do it manually. Yes, it sucks, but once you get the hang of it, it should go quickly. Please let me know if you have any questions about the process. Meanwhile, I will proceed with the rest of the source review momentarily. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source Review:
- All sources need to be archived.
- Done
- It seems to me that having both the website and publisher fields is redundant. For example, Ref. 2 includes the parameters |website=MNDaily.com |publisher=[[Minnesota Daily]] when |website=[[Minnesota Daily|MNDaily.com]] should suffice. Pinging PresN or Hey man im josh for clarification.
- Awaiting clarification; will act upon it then.
- So, to be very clear: there are no rules here. The only rule for citations is that you should have a consistent style, so the result is dozens of styles and if this one is internally consistent then it's fine. That said, my personal feeling is: the purpose of the website/work parameter is to give the name of the work, not the url. So, I wouldn't do "work=TwinCities.com, publisher=St. Paul Pioneer Press", I'd do "work=St. Paul Pioneer Press, publisher=MediaNews Group", or maybe leave off publisher altogether. Additionally, not going to track down the MOS rule or whatever, but there is guidance that you shouldn't bother putting in the publisher if the name of the publisher is nearly identical to the work; so "work=New York Times, publisher=New York Times Media" is redundant and should be skipped. But ultimately the way you have it is okay. --PresN 02:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the clarification. The style is consistent, so it's good. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Other than the question I just raised above, sources appear to be properly formatted with a consistent date format.
- I spot-checked the following sources chosen at random:
- No. 3 – Checks out.
- No. 8 – Checks out.
- No. 11 – Checks out.
- No. 21 – Checks out.
I will await clarification about the website/publisher issue, but in the meantime, please let me know if you have any questions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review, @User:Bgsu98. As mentioned, I'm awaiting clarification on the website/publisher thing. Let me know if you find anything else. --MikeVitale 01:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything looks good and the source review checks out. I'm happy to support. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:43, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is the list of governors of Nigeria's state of Rivers from when the region was called Eastern then splitted into Rivers and two other states, this is focusing on the former. I have significantly worked on this and it now meets the criteria for FL. Feedbacks would be very much appreciated. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:43, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IntentionallyDense
- Countries (such as nigeria) don't need wikilinks
- It was originally part of the Eastern Region would specify Rivers State here just because the previous sentence mentions quite a few different places
- Fixed.
- A wikilink, footnote, or brief explanation of "regional system" would be nice
- Explained.
- military leader Yakubu Gowon restructured Nigeria assuming you meant that he reorganized the way things are governed and not literally recontructed the whole country, is there a way you could word this differently?
- Reworded.
- wikilink Vice Admiral
- Wikilinked.
- I'm not super familiar with table formatting but it may be helpful to add a legend for the colours
- Legends aren't needed for this, see this.
That's all for now. Ping when done! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 18:19, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @IntentionallyDense Thank you, I replied. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:14, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 04:08, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "The newly created Rivers State" => "The newly-created Rivers State"
- Fixed.
- Party names (eg NPN) are not written in full anywhere
- The full names appeared originally, so I just added their initialism in brackets now.
- " due to graft allegations" - what are "graft allegations"? I personally have no idea what this term means. Is there a link?
- I wikilinked graft to Graft (politics).
- "Suspended by President Bola Tinubu since 18 March 2025 for six months." - this is not a sentence so it should not have a full stop
- Done.
- That's it
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:18, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude Thank you, I replied. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:39, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:53, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source review by Reaper Eternal (talk)
Per the author's request, I am reviewing this article. Unfortunately, I'm not very familiar with Nigeria, so I do have a few questions regarding the reliability of some of the sources.
[6] What makes Muhammad Jameel Yusha'u a reliable source? (He may be reliable, but I'm not familiar with him or the quality of his book.)[10] What makes Solomon Ogwutum a reliable source? (Same as above.)[13] What makes Amayanabo Opubo Daminabo a reliable source? (Same as above.)- After doing some digging, I was able to find ResearchGate profiles for a couple of these authors, which at least implies they are academic.
[25] Is there a better source for Ada George's birth date than "Welcome to Ada George"?- I can't find anything better either, and this fact doesn't appear to be contentious. We'll AGF here.
[33] Is Prime 9ja Online a reliable source? Do they have appropriate reviewers and fact-checkers to ensure accuracy?- We can AGF on this one per their fact-checking policy for now, absent any evidence of misinformation.
One thing I am concerned about is the heavy reliance on Nigerian (The Tide) or Chinese (This Day) state-sponsored newspapers for much of the article's content. While many may indeed be truthful, these state-sponsored media often have significant biases. Are there any other neutral third-party sources that you could use to support the claims made in this article? Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reaper Eternal Thanks for looking. I do not think we need to be familiar with authors of works before they're reliable or not. The sources you mentioned above (apart from Welcome to Ada George) all tick the boxes of what a reliable source should be for use on English Wikipedia (as described at WP:RS) hence, why I used them. I see a fact-checking policy for Prime 9ja Online here, I also see this.
- For Welcome to Ada George, I do not think if Ada George says he was born in so so year, I would doubt him, hence why I used that. The Tide and This Day are used because I couldn't rely on the .wordpress or free webhosts I saw, I mean, I would rather rely on them than a free webhost. Also, in this context, they are indeed state-sponsored media but are not unreliable, at least for this list. They (The Tide, This Day and Prime 9ja Online) are all gen-rel sources per WP:NGRS.
- Please, take a look at other current FLs I put up like List of governors of Edo State List of governors of Delta State for context. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:46, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reaper Eternal Hi, do you have time to revisit this? thanks! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm still concerned about the very high usage of state-sponsored media, though. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reaper Eternal The reason I wasn’t really worked out while compiling them was that the facts they support aren’t contentious in themselves, such that they are actually available in their various standalone articles already. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 01:37, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reaper Eternal, I saw this while scrolling through. None of the newspapers you mentioned are state-sponsored. Why do you think they’re state-sponsored? Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 14:07, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello Reaper Eternal, your response would be very much appreciated, please. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:50, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Paragraph #1 of The Tide's about us page.
- This Day. Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:25, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Nudging Vanderwaalforces. Do you think maybe getting a 3rd opinion from either WP:RSN or WP:3O would help us decide whether this is an issue? Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reaper Eternal The reason I mentioned related FLs above is so that you get a grasp that this is not an issue at all. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:18, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi @Reaper Eternal, @Vanderwaalforces asked me for a sanity check on this one and I'm not really sure what the concern would be even if these were state-run media and not just state-funded. The only place that looks to me like it might have something contentious is the section beginning
However, President Bola Tinubu, in March 2025
, through to the end of that paragraph. One of those sources is Channels TV, which going by our article on them would be a good source for this info:The Channel's mission is to act as a watchdog on governmental policies and activities.
. The other is The Punch, and I don't see any reason to question that source either. -- asilvering (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]- That's fine. I wanted another pair of eyes on this just to verify that it was OK. Usually, I'm more into the technical articles on meteorology, biology, mathematics, and engineering. Happy to support. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi @Reaper Eternal, @Vanderwaalforces asked me for a sanity check on this one and I'm not really sure what the concern would be even if these were state-run media and not just state-funded. The only place that looks to me like it might have something contentious is the section beginning
- @Reaper Eternal The reason I mentioned related FLs above is so that you get a grasp that this is not an issue at all. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:18, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Nudging Vanderwaalforces. Do you think maybe getting a 3rd opinion from either WP:RSN or WP:3O would help us decide whether this is an issue? Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm still concerned about the very high usage of state-sponsored media, though. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reaper Eternal Hi, do you have time to revisit this? thanks! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): PresN 01:59, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, mammal list #55 in our perpetual series and bat list #14: Chiropterans, or... bats! That's right, we're finally done with the flying mammals, and close it off with our capstone list for the order. This follows the pattern of our previous order capstone lists (carnivorans, artiodactyls, lagomorphs, diprotodonts, primates, eulipotyphlans) as a list of the genera in the order, e.g. one level up from all of our bat species lists. This reduces the hefty ~1300 species into a more manageable 226 rows of the second biggest mammal order, containing almost a quarter of all mammals. Unfortunately, we're still left with the largest article on Wikipedia; unlike the rest of the top 10, which are 95% pointless details, 5% references, this list is 2/3 references by volume, because I need an IUCN reference per species for the habitat/range. Not much to do there without linking to search pages instead of the species pages. In any case, this is all the bats! Some of them are big, most of them are small; some of them are cute, some of them are... well, still cute, but with horrifying little insect-munching needle teeth. But ultimately, legions of readers asking "how many types of bats are there" now get a nice list to look at. As always, the list reflects the scientific consensus as well as the results of prior FLCs. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 01:59, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- First few images need alt text.
- Which images? The set of six at the top has them, as does the map, and when I inspect the html the result has it despite the imagemap.
- The rest need more detailed alts than "brown bat".
- Alt text describes what the image is, along with nearby information, not what it looks like; the images + context for e.g. the first bat image is "brown bat, Balantiopteryx plicata, "Gray sac-winged bat"). I am not aware of any guideline for alt text that would require a more detailed description of what the bats look like, nor do I think it is useful to readers to know that the bat is hanging on a wall, looking at the viewer. Did you have something specific that you think should be added to the images?
- I know they will be a pain to add but I think all sources need to be archived.
- As journal citations, not web citations, it's not expected for there to be archive urls (and I haven't for the past 54 lists). The web citations have archives.
- Why do some have maps for locations and some have words? Could more maps be made?
- I just use the maps that are available, so if there isn't one for the genus then the list doesn't have one; people generally have not made as many maps for genera as opposed to species, so most have to make do with just a text description. Wikipedia-wide needs more maps, but it's a lengthy process to do one and this list would need 100+.
- "Emballonuridae comprises 54 extant species, divided into 14 genera. These genera are grouped into two subfamilies: Emballonurinae, containing sheath-tailed, sac-winged, ghost, and other bat species, and Taphozoinae, containing pouched and tomb bats." needs an inline citation.
- Done, at the end of the summary section
- The whole paragraph of classification needs inline citations.
- Done, at the end of the summary section
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 21:30, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: Replied inline/done, thanks for reviewing! --PresN 00:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems good, support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 00:48, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: Replied inline/done, thanks for reviewing! --PresN 00:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OlifanofmrTennant
- Family is linked twice in the lead
- When only one is listed habitats should be singular
- Why are some dropdown menus auto open while some are auto closed?
- Ping me when done Olliefant (she/her) 23:32, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed, added to template and fixed, and they're auto closed when there's more than seven species, which is about the point that it starts stretching the row to fit. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 00:25, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reywas92
Wow, another amazing page!
- I wouldn't say "colloquially bats" – that's the name used by anyone not discussing scientific taxonomy not merely "colloquial" so reword for a lay reader.
- Eliminate "currently", content is already implied to be accurate to now.
- "
classifiedmammal species" – any species is implied to be classified - "but also
including" - "families Furipteridae, Mormoopidae, Mystacinidae, Myzopodidae, Noctilionidae, Phyllostomidae, and Thyropteridae and containing the mustached, sucker-footed, bulldog, leaf-nosed, vampire, long-tongued, big-eared, broad-nosed, and disk-winged bats" and the rest of the paragraph is hard to follow with all the common and scientific names. Perhaps put the family names into parentheses after each common name. This paragraph also says "containing" a lot, so changes could make it more concise or clearer. Reywas92Talk 03:30, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Reywas92: Done all of these. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 00:11, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thebiguglyalien
General notes:
- Is there any source for the number of endangered species anywhere in the body of the list?
- There is not, it's a summary of the child lists (where it is present), so I'm going to remove that part of the sentence for now.
- Just for my own understanding, I'm assuming the numbers of extinct species are supported by adding up the ones that are individually listed as "extinct" in their respective entries per WP:CALC?
- Yes
- Does Mammal Species of the World (2005) support the names and years throughout the list (e.g. Gervais, 1856).
- It does, as does the IUCN cites for each species
- I understand that this might be standard for this sort of list and that there are practical considerations, but don't the collapsed lists of species fall afoul of MOS:COLLAPSE?
- People have been fine with it as it's not text content, just lists of species names, and I've verified that it shows up correctly if you have javascript off or "do not collapse" features turned on and on mobile.
- It's confusing that "unknown" is listed alongside known habitats. I'm guessing that one or more specific species within the family are unknown here? If that's what's happening, it should be made clear in some way.
- Change it to be "(some species unknown)" and always at the end of the list of habitats
None of these are things that I'd count against the article, but I feel they're also worth noting:
- "the order as a whole" feels informal to me.
- Changed to just "the order"
- "capable of true and sustained flight" – Would this still be correct if we omitted "true" and just said "sustained flight"? I want to say that gliding mammals would still be excluded by sustained.
- I think so, changed
- "both with no tail" – This seems like a minor detail; the size of the animal is what matters, not what body parts contribute to it.
- I'm fine with dropping the ", both with no tail" bit, it does read oddly here. The reason it's there is that sizes are typically (well, always in these lists) given as e.g. "10 cm long plus a 3 cm tail", because for e.g. a cat "head/body + tail" as two measurements gives more information than just "total length if the tail was stretched out" and matches better what readers think of as "size". In this case, both the largest and smallest bats don't have tails, but the sizes given throughout the tables follow the HB + T pattern so the lead was doing the same.
- The list of families in the lead is rather cluttered. This is normally something I'd suggest should be bulleted, and I'm wondering if it should be removed since the bulleted version immediately follows this.
- Yeah, I rearranged it for the above reviewer, but it's still a lot of latin names in a big paragraph. I've reworked it again to just use the common names and link to the families; is that better?
I love that this exists. Certainly worthy to hold the title of largest article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:58, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Thebiguglyalien: Thanks, and thanks for the review! Responded inline. --PresN 14:21, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good! The brief list of species in the lead is especially satisfying to read now. Support. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 15:28, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
- Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on 20 sources match what they are being cited for
Looks good! Support Hey man im josh (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'm back with another Doctor Who-related episode list. This one for The Sarah Jane Adventures, a spin-off series featuring a former companion of the Doctor and targeted towards children. This entire lead was practically unsourced, and those in the remainder of the list were poor. I've spent the last 48 hours cleaning everything up and bringing it to FL standards which has lead me here. Thanks in advance for any review! TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive by comment
- BBC stands for British Broadcasting Corporation, not Broadcast
- Back to do the rest later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed the DBC, thanks. TheDoctorWho (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Olifant
- “ former time-travelling companion of The Doctor portrayed by Elisabeth Sladen.” Wording seems to imply that Sladen portrayed the Doctor
- Since “comic relief” is a term may be worth explaining what the “Comic Relief” charity is
- Mention that Sarah Jane originated in the 70s
- Mention the previous attempt to make a Sarah Jane spin off with K9 and Company
- EFNs B C and D have two periods at the end
- Under see also why is only the Doctor Who 2005- present list included and not the 1969-1989 one? If either were to be included I would have the latter as Sarah Jane originated in those episodes
- That’s what I found pi n me when done Olliefant (she/her) 14:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Thank you for the review. I originally only included the '05-pres. list since it's considered a spinoff of the revived series, but since we're not hurting or space I added the other one. Everything else has been addressed. TheDoctorWho (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "returned to the programme several times prior to the spin-off, then-most recently in the 2006 episode "School Reunion"" - aside from reading a little oddly, I don't think "then-most recently" works here, as at this point you have not stated that SJA started in 2007. Is there another way to word this? Maybe just note that it was her first appearance in NuWho....?
- "A full fifth and sixth series were commissioned" - I don't think "a full" works here, as you are referring to two different series. Maybe "The fifth and sixth series were commissioned"
- "however, Sladen died after only six of the intended twelve episodes had been recorded." - specify that this is 6 of 12 of the sixth series, as the first half of the sentence refers to two different series
- In footnote s, the word "special" is mis-spelt as "pecial".
- That's it, I think! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:40, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Done, thanks for the review! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:32, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Medxvo
- "companion of The Doctor" - ".... the Doctor"?
- "neighbour Maria Jackson and friend Clyde Langer" - I believe a comma can be added after "Jackson" for consistency with other similar incidents
- "The first serial Revenge of the Slitheen premiered" - "The first serial, Revenge of the Slitheen, premiered"?
I think that's all, great work! Medxvo (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Medxvo: fixed all three, thanks! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:03, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Medxvo (talk) 09:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
The image at the top should have a caption.
- It should also have alt text.
- Tables need captions.
- They should also have row and column scopes.
- Is it possible to not have the white squares around table references?
- When rows are the same they can be merged. An example being Written by, Phil Ford, Series 2.
- In the graph, color shouldn't purely be used to differentiate per WP:COLOR.
- All sources should be archived.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:03, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: This review perplexes me a little, because nearly everything was done prior to this review. For example, the image already has alt text, and the tables already have captions. The white squares around the references are for accessibility reasons where needed, because the color of the reference is too similar to the color of the table. Cells cannot be merged across multiple instances of {{Episode list}}, but even if they could I feel that it would be a time that it's not useful. The graph below the table handles differentiation by providing the exact same information in a separate format, without the need to visualize color. All that said, I have, however, just added archives to the remaining sources, where possible. TheDoctorWho (talk) 17:34, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, sorry about the image, I was checking in visual editor and the image wouldn't let me click on it to see alt text. Otherwise, I support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 17:37, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on 15 sources match what they are being cited for
Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:35, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Medxvo (talk) 16:12, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Little Women is a 2019 coming-of-age period drama film written and directed by Greta Gerwig, and is the seventh film adaptation of Louisa May Alcott's 1868 novel. It was met with commercial success and critical acclaim, garnering nine Critics' Choice nominations, six Oscar nominations, five BAFTA nominations, and two Golden Globe nominations.
I've revamped the list to ensure that it has a consistent format with the recently promoted accolades lists and added several notable accolades that were missing. I believe it is now complete and ready for an FLC. Medxvo (talk) 16:12, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- All the notes from d onwards are not sentences so should not have full stops
- That's literally all I've got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:08, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks a lot ChrisTheDude, I believe I've fixed your concern! Medxvo (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by comment from Dxneo
- On ref33, is the red link necessary when you have linked an alt language page?
- I believe I've fixed that. Medxvo (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I like how you listed the actual dates instead of years, nice one!
- The note states that the runner-ups are considered winners, any reason why they are in blue instead of green?
- It's better to avoid confusion with actual wins and number-one placements, so the
{{runner-up}}
template is used. Medxvo (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It's better to avoid confusion with actual wins and number-one placements, so the
- I think "In 2020, At the 92nd Academy Awards…" instead of "At the 92nd Academy Awards…" would make a lot of sense, thoughts?
- I think it wouldn't be consistent with the other award shows (BAFTAs, Golden Globes, Critics' Choice), where we didn't mention the year of the ceremony. If I include the year for the Academy Awards, I would also have to include it for the others (also 2020), which would be a bit repetitive... What do you think? Medxvo (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is the prose not in chronological order? I mean, the 92nd Academy Awards was in 2020, but "The American Film Institute selected Little Women as one of the top-ten films of 2019. Time deemed it one of the 100 best movies of the 2010s".
- It's just so we can mention the award ceremonies first and then the placements of organizations and publications. I think it makes sense this way but let me know what you think. Medxvo (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's all I can spot in the meantime. dxneo (talk) 08:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Dxneo, I appreciate the comments! I mainly based the format off of the Oppenheimer and Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse accolades lists (recently promoted lists), if you're interested to know where some stylistic choices came from. Medxvo (talk) 11:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments and image review from TheDoctorWho
- Comments
- Needs a short description per WP:SDLIST
- Hope I did this correctly, couldn't find similar accolades shortdescs to use as examples. Medxvo (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- coming-of-age period drama film is a MOS:BLUESEA issue
- The main genre of the film and the novel is coming-of-age, so I've removed period drama. Medxvo (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- No link to this article exists in {{Little Women}}, the template should either be removed or a link added per WP:BIDI
- Removed. Medxvo (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Image review
- The first image in the Infobox was uploaded to commons directly under a CC-By license
- The other two images were originally uploaded to Flickr, where they were (at one time) there under a CC-By license
- All images have captions and alt text
Image review passes just my few initial comments above that need addressing. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you TheDoctorWho for the comments! All should be done, please let me know if anything needs further adjustments. Medxvo (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "is a 2019 coming-of-age and period drama film written" would also work if you wanted to include both. Either way, everything looks good. Nice work, support!
TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "is a 2019 coming-of-age and period drama film written" would also work if you wanted to include both. Either way, everything looks good. Nice work, support!
Source review by Bgsu98
Before I start the source review, a quick comment about the table. I'm not sure I understand the purpose of the dark blue shading. The other colors signify a specific quality that is also reflected in the text (ie. lime green = won, pink = nominated, etc.), but that dark blue cells have several different contents. I would simply remove that color altogether.
- The dark blue color is generated from the draw template, which is mainly used for 2+ placements (i.e. multiple winners); the runner-up template is used for 2nd placements and so on. Most of the recently promoted accolades lists follow this format to differentiate between wins, 2nd placements, and +2 placements. I just wanted to be consistent, but please let me know what you think. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's unnecessary, because the dark blue doesn't really communicate anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: Yes, I see what you mean, though I'm not sure how to improve this part... I think this might be more of a template problem. The draw template is mainly used here because there are multiple winners. Some of the recently promoted accolades lists include Green Book, Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse, Jojo Rabbit, etc, and they all seem to follow this format... Medxvo (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I would replace {{sort|7|{{draw|7th Place}}}} with {{sort|7|7th Place}}. That should eliminate the blue, but still allow for sorting. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure this is even a MOS:ACCESS issue, because the blue doesn't communicate anything here. I just don't know what purpose it serves. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: I've replaced it with the CFinalist template (with a yellow color), what do you think? I've tried removing the colors but it just didn't look nice to me at all due to the existence of the other three colors... Medxvo (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- You just replaced one color with a different color. The fact is that any color is not going to match the contents of the cells, which are all different. I’m going to ping PresN; if he says the color is fine and not a violation, then you can reset it to whatever you want and we’ll move forward. The rest of the article is great. 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! For reference, I noticed that the exact placements can be added/changed using the CFinalist template; it doesn't seem like they are limited to just a third or fourth place, I think. I'm not sure if that applies to the Draw template as well, but it seems like it. Thanks for pinging PresN!
Medxvo (talk) 00:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- So, right now it looks like it's green=won, lightblue=runner-up, yellow=any other numbered placement, and lightred=nominated? That's fine. The deal with accessibility is just that you can't convey information only through color, but what's there right now is fine as either yellow or darker blue, since the cell text explains what (non-first or second) place the film got and both colors have good contrast with the text. --PresN 00:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! For reference, I noticed that the exact placements can be added/changed using the CFinalist template; it doesn't seem like they are limited to just a third or fourth place, I think. I'm not sure if that applies to the Draw template as well, but it seems like it. Thanks for pinging PresN!
- You just replaced one color with a different color. The fact is that any color is not going to match the contents of the cells, which are all different. I’m going to ping PresN; if he says the color is fine and not a violation, then you can reset it to whatever you want and we’ll move forward. The rest of the article is great. 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: I've replaced it with the CFinalist template (with a yellow color), what do you think? I've tried removing the colors but it just didn't look nice to me at all due to the existence of the other three colors... Medxvo (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bgsu98: Yes, I see what you mean, though I'm not sure how to improve this part... I think this might be more of a template problem. The draw template is mainly used here because there are multiple winners. Some of the recently promoted accolades lists include Green Book, Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse, Jojo Rabbit, etc, and they all seem to follow this format... Medxvo (talk) 22:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's unnecessary, because the dark blue doesn't really communicate anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source Review:
- All sources appear to be archived.
- Publications appear to have appropriate wikilinks.
- Sources appear to be properly formatted with a consistent date format.
- I spot-checked the following sources chosen at random:
- No. 8 – This source is used to verify the release date, but this is not mentioned in the source.
- Quoting the source ("following its release on Wednesday"), which was December 25. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, that makes sense. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:46, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- No. 13 – Checks out.
- No. 22 – This Rotten Tomatoes citation matches the 95% approval rating stated in the article, but I don't see where it has an average rating of 8.5/10. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place?
- No, you're correct. Rotten Tomatoes removed average ratings from their website last week or so. It is accessible through the archive link, but I removed it now. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- No. 34 – Checks out.
- No. 49 – Checks out.
- No. 60 – Checks out.
- No. 81 – Checks out.
Please let me know if you have any questions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:12, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks so much for the review, Bgsu98. I left some replies above. Medxvo (talk) 21:25, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Since the issue with the colored cells is settled – feel free to go with either the blue or the yellow as you see fit – I am happy to support this nomination. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:43, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk 08:36, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For my first American football list that I will nominate for featured list status, I have chosen this list of Rams starting quarterbacks because the team is my favorite ever since they returned to Los Angeles after spending 20 years in St. Louis. Please note that due to the fact that the team was founded in 1936, this list resembles List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks rather than List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacks.
- Unlike some other starting quarterbacks lists, this list does not include any statistics. Imho, statistics other than games, starts and QB record is superfluous to this topic and better covered in existing list (in this case, List of Los Angeles Rams team records, which is described and linked in the See also section). Yards, passes, etc are all accumulated regardless of whether a QB starts or not. Note, WP:FLCR #3(c) states that a FL should
not largely duplicate material from another article
. - There is two existing team quarterback start FLCs: List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacks (passed in Jan 2023) and (passed in April 2024). You will notice that the former utilizes a static table instead of a sortable table. I chose to follow the Packers' starting quarterback list table for a couple reasons: first, this is a list of players (specifically starting QBs), thus I feel like the reader expectation is a list of quarterbacks, not a list of seasons. Second, the sortable table provides a lot more functionality to understand who started the most games, who had the best record, etc. I believe this layout also speaks more closely to satisfying WP:FLCR #4
Structure. It is easy to navigate and includes, where helpful, section headings and table sort facilities.
- Unlike the two existing team quarterback start FLCs, the Rams history dates back well before 1950. Based on Gonzo fan2007's research on the Pa, there are no reliable sources showing quarterback starts or win/loss record prior to 1950. PFR doesn't list them and even in individual player pages, it only shows total starts, not starts by position (and no QB record). Thus, for this list, the cut-off is 1950, when my source (PFR) provides reliable information showing QB starts. All other pre-1950 Rams QBs aren't included (note, {{Los Angeles Rams starting quarterback navbox}} still has these included; assuming consensus forms here on this issue and this FLC promotes, I would then utilize this list to update the template).
Nevertheless, I feel that this has the potential to become a featured list. I would greatly appreciate the feedback and addressing any concerns.
MPGuy2824
- The regular season table has MOS:COLHEAD issues.
- Scott Covington should have a win percentage of 0, while Case Keenum's should be 0.5. Please check the rest.
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting
|+ caption_text
as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|+ {{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding
!scope=col
to each header cell, e.g.! Year
becomes!scope=col | Year
. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use!scope=colgroup
instead. - Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding
!scope=row
to each primary cell, e.g.| 1987
becomes!scope=row | 1987
(on its own line). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use!scope=rowgroup
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 15:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @MPGuy2824: Done - I have read your comments, and made the necessary adjustments based on them. I should point out that I removed the entire season by season tables since as I mentioned in the intro of this nominations, this is primarily a list about starter quarterbacks rather than a season-by-season record. I am following how List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks was formated. However, an editor decided to restore the old format underneath the current one without knowing that the list is undergoing FLC. Anyways, hope this clarifies things.
- --Birdienest81talk 10:41, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The refs column in both tables should be unsortable. Support on table accessibility since I trust that you'll get this done. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042's source review
- Sources are reliable enough.
- Nothing is unsourced.
- Dates in references all use MDY format.
- All are archived except citation 81. Please archive it.
- I spotchecked 10 sources and they were all fine.
- Note: I don't really know how the sport percentages work but I will WP:AGF because everything else I checked made sense.
- I will support once you archive the one source that doesn't have it. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @History6042: Done - I added that archived url manually since the archive tool doesn;t some to archive to page.
- --Birdienest81talk 12:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, good job. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:03, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- --Birdienest81talk 12:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
- Add {{Use American English}}
- Add a short description per WP:SDLIST (overrides SDNONE), non-American readers aren't likely to know who the Los Angeles Rams are. Something like "American football starting quarterbacks" would probably suffice
- "in Cleveland, Ohio as" ---> "in Cleveland, Ohio, as" (MOS:GEOCOMMA)
- "to Anaheim, California in" ---> "to Anaheim, California, in" (same as above)
- Once more with "to St. Louis, Missouri in" ---> "to St. Louis, Missouri, in"
- Refs 26 and 43 both link to stats for Gus Freotte, rather than one linking to Brock Berlin
I think that's all I have! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheDoctorWho: Done - I've read your comments and have made the necessary corrections based on your feedback. Thank you for your help!
- --Birdienest81talk 06:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to support, nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:33, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
Source review: Passed
- Reliable enough for the information being cited
- Consistent date formatting
- Consistent and proper reference formatting
- Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
- Spot checks on sources match what they are being cited for
Feedback:
- Ref 16 – Yahoo Sports not linked
- Ref 19 – This would be a better reference, as it seems like you might be expecting people to click this link anyways
- Ref 20 – Pro Football Talk would be a more appropriate link in this case
- Why do you have Pro Football Reference listed as a publisher instead of a website? It's an online sports statistics database, I would think website makes the most sense here
- See also section – bypass redirect of List of starting quarterbacks in the National Football League to List of starting quarterbacks in the NFL
- See also section – remove explanations of the links, they're self descriptive in their titles
Please ping me when the above has been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hey man im josh: Done - I've have made corrections based on your comments and a few more adjustments. Thanks for your help.
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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC) [30].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's been a while since I've been at FLC, but after finishing the article on Barbara Park I decided to fill out the bibliography as well. The Junie B. Jones books were childhood favorites of mine, so it's been fun to revisit them. I've annotated each entry with a brief description of the book and wrote a lead that summarizes the sequence of the publications. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drive-by (QoH)
FYI I've moved the page to Barbara Park bibliography, for consistency with the rest of Category:Bibliographies by writer. charlotte 👸♥ 01:16, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Would it break anything if we renamed this page and updated the name at WP:FLC? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 16:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Since no one answered you, no, and it didn't :P Hey man im josh (talk) 18:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- "Barbara Park, an American author, has written many children's books" - as she is deceased, this should be "Barbara Park, an American author, wrote many children's books"
- "This was followed by The Kid in the Red Jacket" - as the previous sentence covered two books, the subject should be plural
- "Junie B. starts her first day of kindergarten" - suggest linking kindergarten, as this is not a term commonly used outside the United States and readers in other countries may not know what it means
- "Junie B. is not allowed to take her dog to Pet Day at school" - Pet Day was not written with caps earlier....?
- That's all I got
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:24, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude all changes made. Thanks! Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 16:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History6042
- All sources need archive links and dates.
- Are archive links required by the featured list criteria? My understanding was that they are often considered unnecessary and in-the-way if there isn't a specific reason to include them.
- All sources should have source date.
- All sources with available dates already have the dates listed. For those that do not, there is an access date in its stead.
- I think all instances of Judie B. Jones where they are just Judie B. should be Jones because people (I am not sure about fictional characters) are normally referred to by last name or full name, almost never first name.
- MOS:SURNAME says to use common names for fictional characters.
- Could any images be added?
- None of the author's works are in the public domain, and her article uses a non-free image.
- Should a link to Judie B. Jones be added in the article body and the lede, not just the lede.
- I've added {{Main}} with a link.
- "Junie B. My Valentime" has a typo.
- As shown by the source, that is the correct spelling of the title.
- Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:14, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- History6042, I've replied to your points above. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, the only thing I would respond to that is that I would perfer archive links but if they are not needed then I am happy to support. History6042😊 (Contact me) 01:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- History6042, I've replied to your points above. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
IntentionallyDense
- Source review
- Citations are consistently formatted
- Sources are appropriately reliable for the topic
- The book citations are all verified
- Spot checked some of the other refs and they all checked out
Pass for the source review! IntentionallyDense (Contribs) 17:58, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh
- Your references all use YYYY-MM-DD format, which really isn't standard. You should pick MDY or DMY and add the relevant template. This will also help for consistency if any references are changed in the future.
- Do you typically not just not add wikilinks? I only ask because of ref 8, the New York Times, which I would normally ask for a link for (but I understand not everyone links, which is consistently applied in this case, so no need to do this necessarily)
- Ref 8 – Add the url-access parameter, as it's behind a paywall for me
- Ref 10 – Is there a reason you're using just 2013 instead of the listed original publish date of 16 January 2013?
That's all I've got, good stuff Alien! Please ping me when you reply. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey man im josh Thanks! I've made all of the suggested changes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 21:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:23, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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- ^ Emmrich, Stuart (November 11, 2020). "Meet the Joe Biden Whisperer, His Sister Valerie Owens". Vogue. Archived from the original on November 30, 2020. Retrieved March 18, 2025.
- ^ Golin, William B. "How Joe Biden changed Delaware's — and America's — politics". The News Journal. Archived from the original on March 29, 2025. Retrieved March 13, 2025.
- ^ "Federal Elections 2012" (PDF). Federal Election Commission. Washington, D.C. 2013. Archived (PDF) from the original on December 2, 2019. Retrieved January 20, 2021.