Talk:Bangabandhu Memorial Museum

A fact from Bangabandhu Memorial Museum appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 September 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh from his residence in Dhaka before his arrest by the Pakistan Army?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by CSJJ104 (talk) 15:43, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman proclaimed independence of Bangladesh from his residence in Dhaka just before arrested by the army of Pakistan?~~ Source: Kaler Kantho
- Reviewed: This is my 5th nomination (if the 4th nomination finalised). So it is not needed.
- Comment: If you can please copyedit the article for me. And if possible suggest a better hook. Also, some government website copied texts from the article (stated in the talk page of the article) so don't mark this article for copyright violation.

Created by Vinegarymass911 (talk) and 5x expanded by Mehediabedin (talk). Nominated by Mehediabedin (talk) at 20:55, 15 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

I am not sure if this qualifies. As to my count, the article had 176 words and 3,743 bytes before you began to expand it and 505 words and 12,177 bytes when you submitted it. This doesn't give me a 5x expansion, but I leave it to some more experienced editors. If there is no DYK rule that would let it through, I'd say it doesn't qualify, because even though it is an interesting hook and article, it would create a precedent to others that also do not qualify.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Paradise Chronicle: You are right, indeed this clearly falls short of the 5x expansion rule. There's no way to bypass this, but we allow the nominator some time to get the article to a proper 5x expansion. @Mehediabedin: This article will need to be expanded further, or this nomination will fail. --LordPeterII (talk) 16:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LordPeterII: Can I withdraw my nomination? Because I understand that there isn’t enough source to expand the article. Mehedi Abedin 17:54, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mehediabedin: Of course you can, you nominated this, so you can also withdraw. However, if you want to get this article to DYK without further expansion (which sometimes is just not possible if the article is already large), you could also try to make this a Good Article (see WP:GA), and then you can nominate it again. Btw, I also just found this news which doesn't seem to be in the article yet – it's a personal opinion peace, so you can't use it to state facts, but you might be able to treat it as a review of the place. And there are further sources on the museum, some short but all seem reliable: Chinese Foreign minister visits museum; the museum mentioned in a Springer book about tourism and economy; also in a Taylor & Francis book; Daily Sun news; United News Bangladesh. Ofc we must be careful, as some sources have copied also from the Wikipedia article (like this one). So maybe there are enough sources to get to 5x? It's your choice :) --LordPeterII (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LordPeterII: Well then I want to try. If my next attempt can't expand the article 5x then I will withdraw. Mehedi Abedin 18:34, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@LordPeterII: Done. Please see the article. Also notice that a website copied texts of this article so don't mark the article as copyright infringement. Mehedi Abedin 02:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article is now eligible, 5x expansion has been achieved. However, I don't have time to review atm, so someone else needs to do it. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Starting review now -- RoySmith (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nomination on August 15, 10 days before that was August 5, so we're starting from Special:Permalink/1061669942, which is 1031 readable prose. Now it's 6044, so 5x is indeed satisfied.
Earwig does call out a lot of copied text, but I ran them down and it does indeed look like everybody copied from us (one site was even nice enough to credit wikipedia). So we're good there.
The text does need some copyediting to improve the quality of the English, but that's not a DYK problem. I suggest you list it at WP:GOCE, which specializes in this sort of help.
I don't see any issues with BLP, NPOV, etc.
The referencing looks adequate.
QPQ exempt [1]
Correcting some grammar errors (and WP:SEAOFBLUE) in the original hook; either of these should be good.
- ALT0a.. that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh from his residence in Dhaka just before being arrested by the army of Pakistan?
- ALT0b.. that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman proclaimed the independence of Bangladesh from his residence in Dhaka before his arrest by the army of Pakistan?
Overall good to go with either ALT0a or ALT0b. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:41, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0a is more specific than ALT0b. So I think we should choose ALT0a. Mehedi Abedin 22:35, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To Prep 2

What is there in Sheikh Mujib Museum?

What is there in Sheikh Mujib Museum? 182.252.72.93 (talk) 13:59, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NPOV concerns

@Important Writer's recent edits, which concerns the WP:P&G. pinging:@Mehedi Abedin@Ahammed Saad@ApurboWiki2024 Bruno (📩) 14:02, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruno pnm ars, I am new to Wikipedia, so it would be appreciated if you could guide me. Could you explain the concern regarding WP:P&G? Where exactly is the issue? Even with proper citations, why is my writing considered disputed? Important Writer (talk) 15:49, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia! I understand that navigating policies can be challenging at first, and I appreciate your willingness to engage. The concern regarding WP:P&G primarily relates to neutrality and encyclopedic tone. While citations are essential, the way information is presented matters just as much. Your writing appeared to lean towards a particular perspective rather than maintaining the impartiality required by WP:NPOV. Additionally, the tone was not entirely in line with WP:TONE guidelines, which emphasize formal, objective, and unbiased language. Wikipedia articles should present information factually without advocacy, opinion, or promotional wording. To improve your contributions, I recommend carefully reviewing these guidelines and adjusting the language to ensure a balanced and neutral presentation. Bruno (📩) 16:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruno pnm ars, I tried not to write in Wikipedia's direct voice; rather, I wrote based on primary sources, aligning with WP:NOR. This is why I believe my writing does not lean toward a particular perspective, which might be the reason you see it as a WP:NPOV issue. And yes, since I am a non-native speaker, I acknowledge that there may be gaps in my writing in terms of proper English tone. Your further guidance would be appreciated. Important Writer (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, my concern wasn’t about your English language proficiency, but rather about adhering to encyclopedic tone and WP:IMPARTIAL guidelines. While you mentioned aligning with WP:NOR (No Original Research), it's important to note that maintaining a WP:NPOV (Neutral Point of View) is equally crucial. The WP:NPOVOR section on the same page provides further clarity on combining neutrality with verifiability, ensuring that content remains unbiased and well-balanced. Please feel free to give me a knock on the talk page if you have any questions, I’m here to help. Bruno (📩) 17:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]