Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion
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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.
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Information on the process
[edit]What may be nominated for deletion here:
- Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText:, MOS:,[a] Event: and the various Talk: namespaces
- Userboxes, regardless of the namespace
- File description pages when the file itself is hosted on Commons
- Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XFD venue.
Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place at Wikipedia:Deletion review, in accordance with Wikipedia's undeletion policy.
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[edit]- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
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To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted) Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.
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Archived discussions
[edit]A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.
Current discussions
[edit]- Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.
July 31, 2025
[edit]Userspace draft that is in Thai and does not seem to be encyclopedic; it seems to be about current infrastructure projects in Thailand and has promotional tone in some places. I can't rule out if it is LLM-generated or copy-pasted from a copyrighted government document.
The sandbox owner is a blocked sock of a user who used LLM, and at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:1.2 Motorway สายบางขุนเทียน-บ้านแพ้ว และ บ้านแพ้ว –.png I raised concerns that the image seems to be AI-generated. (Several other images, probably similar in content, were deleted due to lack of licensing information.) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Two different users created versions of the same BLP. This one was in draft, declined at AfD. The other at Yoel Rak is better, created in main directly but has structural problems. This one needs to be moved out of the way or deleted as the other one should probably be draftified for quality control -- the sources are incorrect, either careless editing or LLM hallucinations. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:34, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
LLM-generated crap by a blocked sock of Abhichartt (talk · contribs), G5 contested twice. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:13, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Unsalvageable nonsense. silviaASH (inquire within) 08:45, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- It was declined, by User:Jlwoodwa, with advice to fix it and resubmit. It was not rejected. Reviewers or AfC processes should be reviewed, if this is what often happens. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:36, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Delete:
- It really makes very little difference whether this is kept for six months or deleted, because the submitter is blocked and this page will go away in six months.
- The reviewer did not mean that this can be fixed. The reviewer had an option to decline as LLM output, and no option to reject as LLM output. The mere fact that a reviewer declined a draft does not mean that we at MFD should agree that it should be kept. This should have been rejected, except that the option of Contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia does not state our disapproval of LLM stuff.
- A consensus is developing that AI slop should be speedily deleted as G15. In the meantime, we can get into the habit of deleting AI slop. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:18, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Eh, weak delete - probably would have been better to just wait for G13 but since we're already here might as well delete it now. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 19:26, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Yet another AI-generated slop page created by Abhichartt (talk · contribs); the last that isn't nominated for deletion. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- If it is so bad as to need deletion, it should not have been declined in AfC review. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Delete:
- It really makes very little difference whether this is kept for six months or deleted, because the submitter is blocked and this page will go away in six months.
- The reviewer did not mean that this can be fixed. The reviewer had an option to decline as LLM output, and no option to reject as LLM output. The mere fact that a reviewer declined a draft does not mean that we at MFD should agree that it should be kept. This should have been rejected, except that the option of Contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia does not state our disapproval of LLM stuff.
- A consensus is developing that AI slop should be speedily deleted as G15. In the meantime, we can get into the habit of deleting AI slop. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:18, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Per WP:COPIES and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ComparePages?page1=User%3ATheogjordie%2Fsandbox&rev1=&page2=Old+Alton+Bridge&rev2=914807484 Paradoctor (talk) 02:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as a copy of article space to user space, which is a redundant fork. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:38, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
July 30, 2025
[edit]There is now an article at Christine Rosen, so this draft is no longer necessary and its creator has been banned. Jahaza (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Christine Rosen. This is not exactly a Speedy Redirect, but is similar enough that the answer is the same, to point to the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have redirected it and am willing to withdraw on that basis if that's possible. I don't really know all the procuedures here at MfD vs AfD. Jahaza (talk) 21:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
July 29, 2025
[edit]- Wikipedia:Project Content Gaps (Wenard Institute) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Attempt to start a WikiProject that appears never to have gotten off the ground. The project page has only been edited by one user, and that user hasn't edited in over for years. No talk page activity (apart from a recent move request from a non-participant) or other signs the project ever did anything. It appears to be connected to an external institution, so it is unlikely anyone else could revive or that there is any value in merging/redirecting it to another wikiproject page. – Joe (talk) 19:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- A WikiProject is a group of editors that wants to work together. This appears to be an external organization's project, which they helpfully documented on wiki for us. See "Wenard Institute is a nonprofit organization, aiming to publish copyleft information where such information is not yet unavailable. This joint project with Wikipedia is an experiment that uses Wenard Institute’s resources to add to Wikipedia content in a few selected areas." The only editor was User:Ally at Wenard, who worked with User:凰兰时罗 and User:Eugene at Wenard (and maybe one or two others?) on the articles now in Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from Wenard Institute.
- I think we need this page, even if Template:Wenard attribution could be subst'd or merged with a generic template, to explain what they were doing and what the license information is. But I don't think it was ever a real WikiProject; it feels more like a WP:GLAM project. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:04, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - This is not and has not been a WikiProject. It has a useful purpose, but the WikiProject was started without any sort of planning and without any sort of support from the Wikipedia community. I mostly agree with WhatamIdoing that it is a good conceptual idea, but that isn't a reason for keeping it as a WikiProject. At this point it seems more straightforward to delete it and decide how to implement it if Wenard Institute still wants to implement it, rather than figuring out what to move this page to. Not all noble ideas are ready for WikiProjects. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:02, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I hesitate to delete this because there is Wikipedia:License information in their template, which says:
This article is based on the text donated by the Wenard Institute under CC-BY-4.0 license.
- and which links to this page. If we don't have this page, then what should that link to? WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:02, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
The text in this userbox is almost identical to Template:User css-4, which indicates expert knowledge. The "-N" templates for programming languages have long been treated as a joke, since the "native speaker" wording is not really applicable to them. The associated categories have already been deleted multiple times — see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 January 12#c-Timrollpickering-2012-01-21T01:56:00.000Z-Category:User_pas-N. I believe the appropriate solution is to replace all uses with "User css-4" and either delete this template or reclassify it as a joke template, as an analogous ones (Template:User pas-N and similar in Category:Humorous user templates) still exist. Solidest (talk) 08:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment In case someone missed the title of this page, there was a previous nomination of this at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User css-N. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 02:54, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- User:Corkythehornetfan/Userboxes/SupportTrump (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Per WP:UBDIVISIVE, userbox serves no other purpose than to soapbox and divide people LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 02:05, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Fully agree and also note not all wikipedians live in the USA! Bduke (talk)
- Keep: While I sympathise with the merits of removing editor partisan politics from Wikipedia, removing a vanilla support for a sitting politician is going too far. It is more likely to cause Wikipedia harm to be accused of bias due to removing this than for allowing it. This user box mere reflects the bias of the editor, and is proper. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Which word(s) meets WP:UBDIVISIVE? Can it alternatively be reworded?—Bagumba (talk) 08:45, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep — while I don’t edit much any more (nor do I agree with the politics of said president any longer), I agree with Smokey. It’s a pretty neutral userbox, doesn’t have anything offensive (except to those who despise the man), and serves no harm. There’s no reason to delete. Corky 21:17, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Per WP:UBDIVISIVE, userbox serves no other purpose than to soapbox and divide people LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 02:04, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - User:UBX/Obama exists. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:52, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Id nom that as well LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 11:35, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: A simple support/oppose userbox is within the current standards as it is not sufficiently divisive. I sympathize with the idea of limiting political userboxes, but do not think we should be singling out any one politician; they should go at the same time, as there is no difference between this and the rest in Category:United States politician fan user templates. Curbon7 (talk) 23:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Per WP:UBDIVISIVE, userbox serves no other purpose than to soapbox and divide people LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 02:03, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Completely forgot I made that, I don't care if it gets removed but am I still able to see the edits on the userbox in my edit history if it gets removed? I still like to look back at any old edits I made whether I find it cringe or not Jerry (talk) 03:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Jerry: If the userbox is deleted, then any edits to it will be deleted as well. If you want to keep a record of them in case this gets deleted, you might want to copy them to an off-wiki page now. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:09, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: A simple support/oppose userbox is within the current standards as it is not sufficiently divisive. I sympathize with the idea of limiting political userboxes, but do not think we should be singling out any one politician; they should go at the same time, as there is no difference between this and the rest in Category:United States politician fan user templates. Curbon7 (talk) 23:41, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Per WP:UBDIVISIVE, userbox serves no other purpose than to soapbox and divide people LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 02:03, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete:I forgot I made it as its been so long but given theres several others of the same thing, feel free to delete. ShadowDragon343 (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- User:Blitziko/Userboxes/User opposes Donald Trump (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
Per WP:UBDIVISIVE, userbox serves no other purpose than to soapbox and divide people LakesideMinersCome Talk To Me! 02:03, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
July 28, 2025
[edit]- User:UBX/User Trump Worst President Ever (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:UBDIVISIVE WP:POLEMIC no intelligent discussion results from rhetoric like this; just distracting. This is irrespective of the opinion expressed; I despise Trump but don't engage like this with others grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 20:04, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I also don't like Trump, but any userboxes indicating one's political team colors are detrimental to collaboration. silviaASH (inquire within) 20:42, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Too negative. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:42, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- User:Casspedia/userboxes/User hates trump (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
WP:UBDIVISIVE WP:POLEMIC no intelligent discussion results from rhetoric like this; just distracting. This is irrespective of the opinion expressed; I despise Trump but don't engage like this with others grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 20:00, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Unhelpful to productive collaboration. silviaASH (inquire within) 20:43, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as useless as the opposite userbox. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: NOHATE Userboxes. Too negative by a long way. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Per WP:UBDIVISIVE, this is definitely a negative comparison that serves no other purpose than to soapbox and divide people. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 19:35, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Violates WP:POLEMIC. silviaASH (inquire within) 19:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- DeletePer nom, as a side note, this happened after I mentioned in the Discord that I think the entire category of Donald Trump user boxes should be nuked. I was not told to come to this MfD.
- Delete: Too personal. It might be ok to state the reason for opposing Kamala. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
July 24, 2025
[edit]Useless leftover of a indefinitely/globally blocked user. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 21:11, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Being the coprolite of a banned user is not a reason to delete. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Why don’t you boldly unilaterally quietly blank these. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:26, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, I don't really like to perform bold, unilateral moves inside other editors' userspaces, even in a case like this one. I'm more inclined to just nominate problematic or useless stuff here, and let the community to decide. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 17:21, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- You like to make busywork. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Not at all. I just like to avoid "Wiki-dramas" whenever possible, and staying away from other editors' userspaces is a great way to achieve that. Another great way is to refrain from doing non-admin closures and such (which I never do), and leaving that task to admins themselves... As for "busywork", obviously your and mine intepretation of that notion can be very different, and I never have a problem to agree to disagree. But please, keep in mind that we should stay civil around here, and when you describe other users' work in such a way it could look like you forgot about that. Regards, — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 15:48, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Sundostund: I am sympathetic to your sentiment. However, this is miscellany for 'deletion' not discussion. If deletion is not a likely outcome, then alternatives should be implemented without a listing here. WP:STALEDRAFT offers great guidance on how to handle such pages. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:05, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Godsy: Thank you. I surely hear you, but I would (almost) always prefer an MfD nomination over just being bold inside of someone's userspace. Also, as we know, discussion must precede 'deletion' when something is nominated. So, discussion is a part of the process we have here. In the end, if a nomination wasn't really necessary after all, there is always an option of 'speedy keep' or something similar. It can be closed rather fast if needed. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 20:36, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- You like to make busywork. SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Honestly, I don't really like to perform bold, unilateral moves inside other editors' userspaces, even in a case like this one. I'm more inclined to just nominate problematic or useless stuff here, and let the community to decide. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 17:21, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Blank.: A useless worthless harmless page that has the only problem that some people look at it and think it’s a problem somehow. Blank, so that people don’t so easily come to look at it. Do not delete, administrative overhead should not be spent on harmless things in userspace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:03, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Blank if desired. No action necessary here; a vast multitude of such pages exist and running such pages through here would not be beneficial. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 19:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Useless leftover of a indefinitely/globally blocked user. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 21:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Useless indeed, but we should not delete useless userpages of blocked users without good reason; they're indefinitely blocked, not publicly executed. This WP:TWA remnant does not meet any deletion criteria, and userspace cleanup is a typically lacking rationale. Curbon7 (talk) 22:22, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Being the coprolite of a banned user is not a reason to delete. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Blank as a useless worthless thing that bothers someone. If the user is ever unblocked, they can unblank. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:05, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Blank if desired. No action necessary here; a vast multitude of such pages exist and running such pages through here would not be beneficial. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 19:54, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
July 23, 2025
[edit]Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Jorge Mendoza Yescas |
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Salvio giuliano 08:20, 31 July 2025 (UTC) Biographical draft whose creator is persistently ignoring or flouting rules about the WP:AFC process. The attempted notability claim here, "Consul General of Mexico in Phoenix", is not an "inherently" notable role that would guarantee inclusion in Wikipedia, and would instead require evidence that he passed WP:GNG on substantial reliable source coverage and analysis about the significance of his work -- but this is referenced almost entirely to Xitter tweets, YouTube videos and other primary sources that do not constitute support for notability.
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June 18, 2025
[edit]- User:YSec/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
- User:YSec/sandbox0 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:YSec/sandbox1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:YSec/sandbox2 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:YSec/sandbox3 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:YSec/sandbox4 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:YSec/sandbox5 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:YSec/sandbox6 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- User:YSec/sandbox7 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- (Time stamp for bot to properly relist.) Salvio giuliano 18:12, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
This user edits primarily in user space and has declined to engage in discussion about this on their user page. The nominated sandboxes are an interlinked set of pages which appear to form a hoax about a non-existent media executive named Nathan Holton and a Batman spinoff named Wayne. These could probably all be speedily deleted under WP:U5 but I thought it would be better to leave an audit trail. – Fayenatic London 20:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hey there, really sorry for not getting back to you on my Talk page back in October. I definitely didn't mean to completely ghost you. I think I saw your message and intended to reply, but then it just totally slipped my mind. My bad! Also, I'm not even sure if I'm supposed to be writing this here or on my Talk page, so apologies if this is the wrong spot. And yeah, I can totally confirm these pages are 100% about made-up stuff. It's all fictional characters and concepts that actually helped me through some personal struggles a few years back, and I just kept updating them for fun.
- Thanks so much for not deleting everything right away; it allowed me to grab a personal backup of all the pages. I know it's fake and a clear violation of the terms, and it probably sounds silly, but the content on those pages means a lot to me, and just having a backup is a huge deal.
- I'll really try my best to slowly get more active and contribute to pages in a more meaningful way. I'm just pretty slow and awkward when it comes to being social or jumping into online communities. I suppose all this will be deleted pretty soon, right? Cheers! YSec (talk) 21:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- @YSec: There are several sites online that allow you to create your own Wikis/Wikias if that helps? It could be a good idea to move them there so it can still help your mental health? ☺️ DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 08:28, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: more participation and more policy-based discussion is needed before closing the discussion
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio giuliano 18:12, 31 July 2025 (UTC)