User talk:Bearcat

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CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 1 § Nightclubs by populated place

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CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 5 § Category:Eponymous categories

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Nomination of Twin Flames (band) for deletion

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Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 01:20, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Category:NFL players using CFL infobox has been nominated for deletion

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Draft categories

Hi, per WP:DRAFTNOCAT, wouldn't it be better to wrap categories in the draft categories template rather than deleting them entirely? Electricmemory (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Please do this, so the categories don't have to be added back when the page is moved to mainspace Electricmemory (talk) 20:20, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

Bearcat Indeed, just deleting categories from draft articles is disruptive behaviour, please stop doing that. Marbe166 (talk) 08:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

New Article

Howdy neighbour! I just finished writing a page over in my sandbox about a popular chain of candy stores based in Nova Scotia. I don't feel it necessary to put it through AfC but I did want to get a second opinion before I put it out to the world, and your username comes across my screen fairly often, so I thought of you. I've been questioning whether I should include the part about the labour concerns as reported by The Coast; I was aiming to include every bit of information I could find, but whether or not The Coast qualifies as a reliable source could be debatable. I would greatly appreciate it if you would take a look and provide your feedback. Cheers. Kylemahar902 (talk) 12:45, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

Steuart Pittman

Consider unsalting to redirect to List of county executives of Maryland § Anne Arundel (potentially protecting the redirect). Yes, I could do this myself, but I don't want to unilaterally overturn your salt. I wouldn't be surprised if he passes GNG at this point, but I am not seeking to open that can of worms. charlotte ^👸♥ 03:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)

98.181.88.222

98.181.88.222 wants to go play outside. Polygnotus (talk) 17:24, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. A legal threat as a parting gift is a bit meh. I prefer cake. Polygnotus (talk) 18:18, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Depends on the cake. I'm not into very richly sweet things, but I'll go for carrot cake any day Bearcat (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

NUFAN/AFC CREWE

Hey buddy, I’ve tried to create a wiki page for the club AFC Crewe owned by the organisation NUFAN article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nufan but there is an administrator called Giant Snowman who persistently removes and at one point tried to SALT the article.

I want to know your opinion on the matter if the organisation is deemed acceptable by Wikipedia why is the club it owns not. All of the notability for the club is the same as the organisation and the organisation is acceptable.

Are you able to help me with this matter please? Iblethebible (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I have not deleted the article, just gave my opinion on its nobility at 2 AFDs. Repeatedly creating the same article is disruptive. GiantSnowman 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I do apologise creating an article on something when what I perceived to be an increase in notability arose is not disruption though. Iblethebible (talk) 18:10, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Poop

I'm sure the community would love to open the 15th discussion about the poop category again, and I'm just petty enough to see it through, or maybe you can fuck off my userpage, yes? -- Ned Scott 11:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Bearcat, as someone who edits User pages occasionally and with some trepidation, I always find it helpful to link to policies or guidelines that I am using to justify possibly contested or confusing edits, especially when multiple guidelines or policies interact. Saying "yes it is" as an edit summary is less helpful than saying something like "Remove nonexistent category per WP:REDNOT." – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:38, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Noticeboard

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Edit war

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. its their user page stop fucking with it •Cyberwolf•talk? 15:59, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Tired of fixing things

Please see Talk:Liberal Democrat–Green Party alliance, which has been prodded in such a way that the message is hiding. Bearian (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

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209.140.48.22

209.140.48.22 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) Is pinging people via their talk page... Cheers Adakiko (talk) 05:37, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Categories on drafts

Hi there! I see you removed the categories from Draft:Ziv-Zakai Bound and linked to WP:DRAFTNOCAT in your edit summary. In the future, I think it would be better to add {{Draft categories}} instead of deleting the categories, per WP:DRAFTNOCAT. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

The categories were removed from an article that I was working on in my sandbox, and it seems overly aggressive to delete something that someone is working on. Sepideh (talk) 22:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

February 2025

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Draft:Amt Stickhausen. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. You have repeatedly been asked above to apply WP:DRAFTNOCAT properly, i.e. not deleting the categories but wrapping them in the draft categories template. You have failed to comply. Marbe166 (talk) 19:21, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Like I keep explaining to people over and over again: for a variety of reasons it takes two or three times longer to just disable categories than it does to remove them, but when I'm doing DRAFTNOCAT or USERNOCAT cleanup from a batch report, I have to get through dozens or even hundreds of pages in one shot — which means it's a job that's already going to take me a few hours to get through even if I do it the fastest possible way, and will take me the entire day to get through if I do it the longer way.

Also, sometimes drafts are left in redlinked categories that don't exist at all, or incorrect categories that they wouldn't belong in even if they were in mainspace — which are categories that always have to be removed regardless, which is part of what adds extra time to the job (as well as the fact that categories on drafts aren't always placed where they would be expected, and sometimes have to be searched for.)

So, sure, if you come across one improperly categorized draft in the process of other editing, then it's not that much of a burden to take the extra time to wrap the categories instead of removing them — but when I have to get through hundreds of pages all at once, then devoting two or three times as much time to each and every one of those hundreds of pages adds up to an unacceptably extreme burden upon my time, which nobody has any right to demand of me. Bearcat (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

I moved your reply on my talkpage to here, let's keep the discussion in one place. You are right that drafts should not contain categories, so far so good. However, it is counter-productive, against the principle of collaborative creation of informative articles (i.e. Wikipedia) and disrespectful to the creators of the drafts to just remove the categories instead of just disabling them, especially since there is a script available to help you with that task. As for your time argument, it is moot, since you do it voluntarily, and nobody asks you to do 300 articles instead of 100, that is all your own choice. --Marbe166 (talk) 19:45, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

It's a thing I do because it has to get done, and other editors aren't doing it. (If they were, then the reports wouldn't be getting cluttered up with hundreds of categorized drafts that had been in categories for days and days.) And there's nothing "moot" about the time argument, either: the size of the list is what it is, and has to be dealt with at the size it is. If there are 300 categorized drafts, then they all have to be dealt with, and there's no option for "pick a handful to deal with personally while leaving the rest of them unaddressed. If there are 300 polluted categories in the report, then the report dictates that I have to deal with 300 polluted categories, and I cannot just pick a random subset to deal with while leaving the rest of the report undealt with.

The script also cannot deal with redlinked categories, or incorrect categories that the page wouldn't belong in even if it were in mainspace. For instance, if a person files a musician directly in Category:Music, or in an nonexistent Category:Thingamabobers, then if and when the page does get moved into mainspace at a later date, it will merely have to be revisited for another round of category cleanup again. So redlinked and incorrect categories always need to be removed from a draft now, not merely deferred for future removal, but the script can't help with that and doesn't shorten the time investment involved.

Also quite interesting how you're concerned about how "disrespectful" and "uncollaborative" it supposedly is for an established editor to remove categories from a draft, yet you don't seem to give a flying honk about how disrespectful and uncollaborative it definitely is for a draft creator to file their drafts in categories in the first place?

But again, the size of the report is what it is. If there are 300 pages to deal with, then that's how many pages have to be dealt with: it's not a matter of me choosing to deal with more pages than necessary, it's a matter of the report being the size it is. I'd love to just give it up entirely, but if I don't do it then it just won't get done — other editors aren't chipping in to consistently monitor the polluted category reports on a regular weekly basis. The DRAFTNOCAT and USERNOCAT reports wouldn't even get to 300 pages or more in the first place if other editors were actually chipping in on a regular basis. Bearcat (talk) 20:06, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm here because Bearcat just edited my talk page to amend a category which appeared in a post there. This generated a notification and it then took me some time to figure out what was going on. What seems deficient in this action is that there was no edit summary to explain it. Nor was it tagged as a minor edit.

So, Bearcat should please explain their edits better when editing other people's talk pages.

If this is a regular chore then it seems unsatisfactory that it should be so manual. If there's a bot that produces a report about this, why doesn't it fix the issues at the same time?

Andrew🐉(talk) 21:13, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

The report doesn't produce a list of the pages, it produces a list of the categories that have pages in them. There are bots that work on cleaning up categorized drafts, but they only catch some of them rather than all of them, so human editors still end up having to monitor for pages that the bots have missed. Bearcat (talk) 02:35, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

@Bearcat What report are you looking at exactly? Electricmemory (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

@Bearcat Why are you so convinced you have to get it all done in one day? I don't think anybody's asking that of you Electricmemory (talk) 10:54, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Because any draft appearing in any category is always an immediate problem that always needs to be fixed the moment it gets noticed by anyone. Which means that every time the report updates with new content, everything on it always needs to be cleaned up before the next time the report re-updates with more new content — because if the list doesn't get completely cleaned up, then the pages that didn't get dealt with stay undealt with, and the report just keeps getting longer and longer and longer until it becomes completely unmanageable. Bearcat (talk) 16:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Bearcat So the problem is that not enough editors are helping you clean the report. That is not an excuse to do it in an unconstructive way, just to save time. Point me to the report you're referring to and I will chip in (if I have the correct priveledges to do so), by doing it properly. Marbe166 (talk) 15:04, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Again, there is absolutely no rule that drafts with categories on them must have their categories merely disabled and cannot have them removed outright — so there is nothing remotely "improper" or "unconstructive" about it, and I don't have any responsibility to keep answering that talking point over and over again. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Titumir's rebellion

I was doing a little new page patrol, and found this poorly sourced article. What should I do? Bearian (talk) 02:22, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Reinstate the Trey Farley Page.

Hello, I'm not happy that you've unnecessarily undone my edits on Trey Farley, Please reinstate it. 82.19.40.217 (talk) 18:14, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Scripts

Hi Bearcat, I hope you are doing well. I have often seen you removing redlinked categories from articles and disabling categories in userspace and draftspace, so I have created two userscripts to automate some of your work. The first script, User:DreamRimmer/NoRedCat, can remove normal redlinked categories from a page. It will show you which categories are redlinked and, once you click on remove, it will remove them. The second script, User:DreamRimmer/DraftNoCat, can help you disable categories in draft/userspace. It only works when you are on the Category:AfC submissions with categories page. When you run it, it will show all the pages in this category, and when you click the submit button, it will disable categories in all the pages with a single click. Also, for User:DreamRimmer/NoRedCat, you can set a custom edit summary by adding a line like this in your common.js. I hope these scripts are helpful. – DreamRimmer (talk) 18:00, 1 March 2025 (UTC)