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World Figure Skating Championships

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Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:04, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since European Figure Skating Championships was just promoted to FL, here is its counterpart: the World Figure Skating Championships. Only the Olympics carry greater weight. As such, this is one of the flagship articles of the Figure Skating WikiProject and should be of the highest quality. Hyperion82 and I worked very hard a while back to improve both this article and the European article, and I believe the quality here is evident. The results are all sourced and documented, the tables are properly formatted, a well-sourced history is provided and I believe the sources are properly formatted, and relevant photographs are used to reflect both the present-day and historical contexts. Additionally, I have already adapted changes that were requested on the European article to this one so as to avoid the same issues. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or comments, and thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:04, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose from Airship

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Not a list. Nominate at WP:FAC instead. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TheDoctorWho

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Putting this down here as a placeholder. I disagree with the above oppose and will leave some comments within the next 72 hours. Feel free to ping me if it's been that long and I haven't responded here yet. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:22, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Finally got a chance to look this over:

  • I'd suggest adding a very short summary of the history into the lead; specifically that it was first held in 1896
  • Perhaps also a short sentence in the lead about the women's competition initially being a separate event
  • I believe per MOS:BOLD that ISU Championships should only be in bold if it redirects to that section
  • "Compulsory figures were retired from the World Championships after 1990." - can I suggest merging that sentence into the paragraph above. I think it would fit since they're both describing changes to the competition (WP:PARAGRAPH talks about using single sentence paragraphs sparingly)
  • There's several empty columns for the upcoming competitions, not sure how long it'll be until announced, but perhaps add {{TBA}} in the meantime?
  • This 2025 competition begins this week (and I'll be in attendance!), so those cells will be filled by the weekend. I previously removed the 2026 rows which had been added so as to avoid having empty rows sitting on these tables for a full year. Bgsu98 (Talk) 07:42, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To explain my disagreement with the above oppose in more detail, the primary content of this page is the lists of medalists. It's not unusual for lists like this to have a larger introductory section, to explain background in further detail. The above named lists also provide a clear precedent for this. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TheUzbek

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  • "The World Figure Skating Championships are an annual figure skating competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union (ISU)." ---> "The World Figure Skating Championships is an annual figure skating competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union (ISU)."
  • "The competitors were from either Germany, Austria, or Russia and were all men." ---> "The competitors were all men from Germany, Austria, or Russia. "
  • "The championships have been organized since 1896 with only four interruptions" ---> "The championships have been organized since 1896, with only four interruptions."
  • "A separate competition for women was established in 1905, with the men's and women's competitions held separately for several years." ----> "A women's competition was established in 1905, with men's and women's events held separately for several years."
  • "Pair skating was added in 1908 and ice dance in 1952. " ---> "Pair skating was added in 1908 and ice dancing in 1952. "
  • "Skaters may compete at the World Championships if they represent a member nation of the International Skating Union and are selected by their federation." ---> "Competitors are eligible to participate in the World Championships provided they represent a member nation of the International Skating Union and have been selected by their respective federation."
  • "The championships were presumed to be all-male since competitive skating was generally viewed as a male sport. " ---> "The championships were initially exclusively male, as competitive skating has historically been regarded as a male sport."
  • "However, there were no specific rules regarding the gender of competitors. " ---> "However, there were no rules barring women. "
  • "Originally there were no any age restrictions at all." ---> "Originally, there were no age restrictions at all."
  • "Beginning with the 1996–97 season, skaters had to be at least 15 years old before July 1 of the previous year." ---> "Starting from the 1996–97 season, skaters must be at least 15 years old by July 1 of the previous year."
  • "However, there were some exceptions during a few following seasons. One exception allowed those who already had skated in senior events to stay at that level. " --> "However, the federation allowed for two exceptions. Firstly, skaters younger than 15 who had already competed in senior events could continue competing at the championships."
  • "There was also an exception that skaters who had won medals at the World Junior Championships were eligible to compete as seniors at the ISU Championships." -- > "Secondly, skaters who won medals at the World Junior Championships were allowed to compete as seniors at the ISU Championships."
  • Readers who don't know much about this topic don't know what a "ISU Congress" or "ISU Council" is. Just add a by-sentence :)
  • Tables good!

--TheUzbek (talk) 09:37, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TheUzbek, thank you for your feedback! I am not going to address each point above individually, but did implement several of your suggestions. You can examine the revisions here. Basically, if there's no comment above, it was probably implemented, although maybe not word-for-word. Please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "featured only four competitors" ---> "featured four competitors"
  • "Ice dance" and not "Ice dancing"... Even the article on "Ice dance" says "Ice dancing" is not incorrect.
  • "The championships were presumed to be exclusively for me since competitive skating was generally viewed as a male sport" ---> "Since competitive skating was generally viewed as a male sport, the championships were presumed to be an exclusive male event."
  • YOu changed the sentence "The World Championships have been cancelled 16 times in the competition's history" to "The World Championships have been interrupted four times in the competition's history" without changing sources.
  • "The first World Championships were held in 1896 in Saint Petersburg" --> "The first competitions were held in 1896 in Saint Petersburg, and the championships have been held every year since, except for four interruptions."
  • The tidbit about featuring "only four competitors, all of whom were men from either Germany, Austria, or Russia" does not seem relevant to the lead and does not fit well with the other information.
  1. No need to thank me, I am not Kim Jong-un or any sort of deity.
  • This is a volunteer project and everyone's time is valuable. When anyone chooses to spend their time assisting me with an endeavor, I try to remember to thank them for their time.
TheUzbek (talk) 06:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Toadspike

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Lead
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  • "The first World Championships were held in 1896 in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and have been held ever since..." – for some reason this reads really weirdly. I think the second half of the sentence is missing a subject ("it" or "they"). Also, no comma needed before "and" since there are only two items in the list.
  • When you say that men's and women's competitions were "held separately" in the lead and body, what does that mean? Were they in entirely different cities, or just not at the exact same time? I see that in 1906 they had different locations, but in '07 and '08 they had the same location.
  • Might want a comma before "provided" in the second paragraph of the lead, but I'm not sure if it's required.
  • What are "element scores"? If it's too complex to explain, is there a good wikilink?
@Bgsu98 I think the section has been retitled, so the section link takes me someplace weird. I suggest adding an TM:Anchor to the section you want to link to. That aside, that article is indeed very helpful; thank you for adding the link. Toadspike [Talk] 12:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Toadspike, it wasn't, I just had it directed to the wrong section. It should be good now. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the most prestigious annual event" followed by "second only to the Olympics" feels odd, even though it is technically correct. I would stick the word "quadrennial" before "Olympics" to make the distinction clear. Or you could reword the sentence to remove "annual", but that might only add to the confusion.
  • "for junior-level" sounds incomplete on its own. Suggest rewording to: "The corresponding competitions for senior and junior-level synchronized skating are the World Synchronized Skating Championships and the World Junior Synchronized Skating Championships." You could also drop "senior and junior-level" entirely, given that the name says which is which.
  • Unless I'm mistaken, "the most World championships" --> "the most World Championships"
  • Not sure you need to mention "four while partnered with Alexei Ulanov and another six with Alexander Zaitsev" in the lead, since Ulanov is only given a footnote in the body. If you want to keep it, I would reword it as "the pair with the most titles is Rodnina and Alexander Zaitsev (with six)" or similar.
All the changes made to the lead look good, thank you. Toadspike [Talk] 12:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
History
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  • Internationale Eislauf-Vereingung should be placed in a langr template and marked as German (MOS:FOREIGN). Unless it was commonly used in English, but when I checked the cited source (8) I couldn't find that name at all. I'm guessing this is from source 9?
  • "The first championship [...] was held in Saint Petersburg, Russia, in 1896" – the cited source (8) says that they were preceded by some European Championships, jointly with speed skating. Is this worth mentioning? If not, I would reword "The first championship" to "The first World Figure Skating Championships" to be very clear, since the ISU apparently did host championships before then. If you don't like the capitalized proper name, "The first world championships in figure skating" (lowercase, generic) also works.
  • "called the ISU Championships rather than the World Championships" – add a comma before "rather"
  • Also, if they were retroactively "upgraded" to World status, perhaps change "were known as" to "were known at the time as". Not required, though, since it's a minor technicality.
  • Same sentence, replace ", and" with ";". The comma is incorrect but removing it would make the sentence too long and confusing, so a semicolon is a good solution.
  • "all three competitions" – for those of us lacking in short-term memory, it might be helpful to list them in parentheses afterwards, but not required.
  • For better flow and clarity, suggest: "Every four years, the Winter Olympics take place roughly a month before the World Championships, causing a number of Olympic medalists to miss the World Championships." (second-to-last P of the section)
  • What does "turning professional" mean and why would it prevent them from competing at the World Championships?
Looks great now! Toadspike [Talk] 12:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Records
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  • The table in the Records section was very confusing to me. I spent a good while wondering how Henie, who competed in the 20s and 30s, could sweep a competition in 2021. (It looks like the people on the left are somehow connected to the sweeps on the right). Do you think it'd be a good idea to split the "Most championship titles" and "Medal sweeps" into two separate tables?
  • I would also clarify the two separate entries for the Pairs with footnotes: the first is the pair with the most titles, the second is the individual with most titles. After reading the lead, it took me a while to figure out why Rodnina is listed twice.
I meant adding another footnote, one for each row. However, on re-reading it now, it seems clear enough as-is, especially without the confusing Sweeps column. Toadspike [Talk] 12:27, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toadspike, thank you for your feedback and suggestions! Please let me know if you have any other suggestions or concerns. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:13, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toadspike, let me know if you’ve had a chance to look over the edits I’ve made per your recommendations, and thank you! 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:46, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Qualifying
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  • "the minimum total element scores, which is determined" – since "scores" are plural, shouldn't it say "are determined"? I think a better solution might be to remove "which is" altogether and just begin with "determined" after the comma.
  • "the accumulation of points" – what points? Is 1 point = 1 eligible competitor? This part is a little confusing to me. I don't mind the long quote, but (based on how excellent your other explanations have been) I think you could explain it better.
  • "skaters younger than 15 who had already competed in senior-level events" – does this mean "international events"? If the list of such events is short enough (like two or three), could you list them all here? I'm assuming countries cannot just set up a "senior-level event" with no age limit today and then send tiny children to the World Championships.

The rest of this section looks good, as do all the medal tables, which I've skimmed over. I don't know how active I'll be over the next few days, and I trust you to address the three things I've listed, so I will preemptively leave my support for this FL nomination. Toadspike [Talk] 12:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are international events, and there are dozens and dozens of them (way too many to list; many don't even have Wikipedia articles), but they are all sanctioned by and overseen by the ISU, so countries can't monkey around to try and skirt the rules. (They find other ways to do that; see the controversy with the Chinese gymnastics team a few years back...)
I will address these issues and try to find some way to make the second issue a little clearer. Honestly, the point system is not even clear for diehard skating fans. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Toadspike Just verifying that I did address those issues. Thank you for your input and suggestions! Bgsu98 (Talk) 05:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bgsu98 The first and third points look good now. I think you may have misunderstood my confusion on the second one: The long quote from the ISU's "Special Regulations & Technical Rules", which you have now rephrased/summarized, is not the issue. The issue is that the article doesn't say what the points are used for – looking at the "Special Regulations & Technical Rules", I'm referring to the part under Rule 378, 3.b), where there is a table answering my question. I also didn't understand that more points is worse, not better. Now that I've understood it I suggest rephrasing the last two sentences of that paragraph as:
ISU member nations are allowed to enter at least one competitor in each discipline. A points system allows member nations to enter additional competitors, up to a total of three in a discipline, based on a the nation's performance in that discipline at the previous World Championships.
If you want to, you can also add something like "Nations with better placements in a discipline at the previous World Championships are allowed to enter more competitors in that discipline."
I think that covers all the important bits; I can't figure out a way to explain only some of the details of the points system without making it really confusing, and explaining all of the details is undue, so this is the best I've got. If you can improve this, please do. Toadspike [Talk] 13:35, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Toadspike, I inserted your recommended sentences (with slight modifications). You can take a look at the previous version of this article here with the "explanation" it provided. I'm a pretty diehard skating fan, and even I was like, What the hell? Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made, and it's about the same with figure skating point allocations. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:47, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thanks! The previous version has made my eyes glaze over...they somehow took the ISU rules and made them even more incomprehensible. Toadspike [Talk] 14:21, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

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Source review: Passed

  • Reliable enough for the information being cited
  • Consistent date formatting
  • Consistent and proper reference formatting
  • Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
  • Spot checks on 15 sources match what they are being cited for

Feedback:

  • Ref 9 – Add the url-access parameter to note that this story is accessed in full with a subscription by adding |url-access=subscription
  • Does it, because I don't have a subscription and I'm able to read the full article?

Please ping me when the above has been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It may be a limited amount of views of articles before access is blocked for LA Times. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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