User talk:Star Mississippi

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A quick question

Hi, I was just reading some of the material at Draft talk: Lewis Josselyn and I noted your comment "That's not going anywhere, unfortunately as there's no teeth at COI/N." I follow the discussions at COIN quite regularly and it seems to be a common thing that no matter how obvious the COI, UPE or disruption, all that seems to result is the occasional block for e.g. username violations.

I've tried to circumvent some of the issues by occasionally requesting increased page protection, which often does the trick for SPA IP activity.

So, my question is, should some COIN topics actually have been started at ANI (or redirected to ANI) where admins are more likely to dispense blocks for PROMO, topic bans etc? Is it basically a vain hope to anticipate such measures being dispensed at COIN?

Any clarification on this point would be very gratefully received. Axad12 (talk) 07:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Axad12. This is my POV as an editor, definitely not site policy or admin guidance.

COI/N can be helpful for guidance toward new editors or those trying to make sense of how we guide conflicted editors. In that sense it functions like one of the help desks. So you could raise it if you found it on an article with a new editor who isn't sure how to edit or would like some broad guidance or even who is making problematic edits but willing to stop once they're made aware. But with Greg who has been to COI/N and ANI on multiple occasions, or other editors who want to edit their company/family/etc. it isn't going to be enough if they're not willing to play well with others. Greg is not going to change because he has been doing the same thing over and over for the last decade or more which is unfortunately why we're at ANI for a site ban. COI/N seems best suited for guidance. As for whether it should be at AN or ANI, I'm not sure. I'd say grab a passing admin for blatant disruption (and happen to be that person if you see I'm online) and for protracted conduct issues, take it to AIV or ANI. Note: I'm not sure where DRN falls within this spectrum as I'm not active there. Is that helpful? Star Mississippi 12:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's very helpful indeed. Thank you.

I had been reluctant to approach admins directly on cases because I thought it might be seen as canvassing, especially if I had already been involved in a discussion. But I will do so from now on with genuinely disruptive cases who don't give up after being brought to COIN.

Most users who get taken to COIN, I think, didn't realise they were doing anything wrong (seeing Wikipedia as an extension of social media). This seems to be evident from the 'above ground' usernames they often adopt. As soon as they realise they're operating outside of policy they tend to fade away and the issue disappears. Or they declare the COI and work within the policy.

And yes, indeed, not COIN for Greg. It was just that your 'no teeth' comment struck a chord with me due to how things often work at COIN. The Greg side of it was coincidental...

Thanks again for your wisdom and your time, very much appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Axad12:, Regardless of one's experience level, I believe COI/N can be very useful in sometimes discovering further COI. The regular there are really good at digging things up. Graywalls (talk) 20:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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Answered with apologies for the delay @Marchjuly Star Mississippi 23:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you yank his talk page access please?

I hate bothering you about this editor again (and I hope this is the last time I have to), but he is still trying to influence editorial decisions which he has no standing to do, while the rest of us volunteers are trying to clean up the encyclopedia (including his messes) in relative peace, and move on to other things around the project and in real life. Left guide (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

And if it matters, I did check the sources on the articles; it's similar sets of low-quality sources being spammed en masse. AfDs on all of them would be a colossal timesink for me and others in the community since they'd all get redirected or deleted anyway. Left guide (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide I left a gentle advisory note on that talk page element. I think we had all foreseen this eventuality. I hope the gentle note will bear sufficient fruit that removing TPA is not required, and I am not sure that the 'request' is an egregious entreaty, but I have been disappointed before by this editor. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: And on what grounds is there any benefit to the encyclopedia from him keeping talk page access? Since his block, almost everything coming out of his mouth on that talk page has been irrelevant drama, attempts to appeal his block which he is not allowed to do for one year, and attempts to influence content which he is not allowed to do. I'm sorry, but you are being far too nice to an editor who has mercilessly taken the community for a ride for years. Left guide (talk) 20:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide I am almost invariably nice, even when delivering bad news. I do not believe that they have yet crossed the threshold for revocation of TPA. I am sure they are likely to, but I do not agree on removal of access based upon likelihood, whether an editor a net befit to Wikipedia or not 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: You still haven't answered my question about what tangible benefit there is towards the encyclopedia in him keeping talk page access, let alone that outweighs the disruption being caused. I rest my case. Left guide (talk) 20:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide An editor doesn't need to be a net benefit to have access. They have to be a net negative benefit in order to have it revoked. I believe the point for measuring that starts at the point of block. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent: Yes precisely, I'm glad we agree, since my point is that the editor has been a net negative on his talk page since the block was imposed. Left guide (talk) 21:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Left guide @Timtrent I just left a note on the Talk but I'm not sure he gets that his edits are not welcome. As the person who opened both ANI reports, I can't yank TPA but flagging for @Just Step Sideways to be sure they're aware. I think this is part of why @Netherzone et al had suggested no notifications. Otherwise we'll have these discussions for a year. Star Mississippi 01:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

My feeling is that it will not be long before, by his choice of continuing to show bewildering behaviour on his talk page, he will achieve removal of access there. I think it will be cumulative, and will not be long. However, I also believe that our duty to Wikipedia includes encouraging him to behave well until the point of no return on TPA. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Request to keep an eye out

Hi Star, if you can please keep an eye out for WP:BLUDGEONING by the article's creator at WP:Articles for deletion/Afsheen (musician). They have have left numerous requests for various editors to review the draft, which was declined several times, along with other messages to those that declined it including 23 edits to SafariScribe's TP alone. After @Timtrent declined it again with extensive reasoning, they immediately resubmitted it so TT accepted it then nom'd it. S0091 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I anticipate bludgeoning, S0091, and am minded to watch and wait. YMMV, of course. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree, thus my request to keep an eye out. It might end up ok or be excessive to the point it is inhibiting healthy discussion. S0091 (talk) 19:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@S0091 @Timtrent apologies for the delay and thanks for flagging, I was offline. I have p-blocked the creator. I'm not sure that will solve the issue, but I'm not sure the edits are full block worthy unless they escalate again. If they do, please ping an active admin as my on wiki time is still scattered. Star Mississippi 01:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

This editor shows challenging behaviour when things go against them, as you can see any the three warnable personal attacks. With luck and a following wind your p-block of them will bear fruit. They cannot complain (too much) about it because they have made their case for retention, and your block was made with that logic in mind 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

well that didn't end well. I'm not going to expand the block,but perhaps the reviewing admin will since they've moved their bludgeoning to the Talk. I Star Mississippi 12:45, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

No apology necessary. When I left the message TT had just opened the AfD and did not think you would be back online until today or tomorrow but also did not think the bludgeoning would be that severe that quickly. At any rate, I'd prefer they bludgeon their own talk page rather than other editor's tps or the AfD so the p-block is serving its purpose. S0091 (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I hadn't read the 20 edits to Safari's Talk but clearly should have before wading into the mess on the article Talk as it clarified it significantly. No action needed on the pings to you & @Timtrent, @S0091 was just acknowledging that you both were among those trying to help then help themselves. Alas they don't seem interested Star Mississippi 02:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Sending you an email. S0091 (talk) 17:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Backgammon

C'mon, Star Mississippi, you must know what backgammon is! We played for hours when I was growing up. It seems like a simple, straight-forward board game but my little sister used to beat the pants off of everyone in the family. It's a family game, like checkers or Monopoly. And, apparently, they have tournaments as well if our blocked friend is telling the truth. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Liz. We're a board game family too and somehow I never knew of it even though we played some older ones like parcheesi. Will have to remedy that. Hope you're well my friend Star Mississippi 18:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Closing EEng discussion at ANI

If you think a discussion at ANI should be closed because it is "going absolutely nowhere helpful", that would encompass a great many discussions. I'm all for it, but then my tolerance of protracted ANI discussions is very low. Still, how about we make it a new rule?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

That was a complete and total IAR, but it really needs to be one. Parts of the community is tired of EEng's behavior, parts think it's hysterical, parts think it's problematic and needs addressing in some manner. Neither 1 nor 3 were going to be accomplished in that thread. I don't think there's a a clear process, but someone should be able to bring about a complaint and have it discussed without it turning into a circus. And I feel you, especially in the summer heat. Is it AN:Fix the Problem or AN:Entertainment? Star Mississippi 00:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

I feel you, especially in the summer heat – Better cut that out before you're #METOOed. EEng 03:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@EEng if I can give you a piece of advice, just take a break from ANtics. It may be that the conduct won't lead to a block (and I ' m not saying you should or shouldn't be, you're a productive content editor) but I think it's pretty clear the community doesn't find the reopens nearly as entertaining as you do. Not admin advice, just a fellow editor. Star Mississippi 18:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

It's good advice of course, and I'll follow it. To be clear, however, I did not open that subthread for entertainment. I really wanted to see where people fell on the are-we-adults spectrum. EEng 18:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Does your username mean you live in Mississippi? I live in northwest Washington, and we're having a refreshingly unusual cool August.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep vote that needs to be added to AFD

Someone left you a message about a keep vote on the talkpage of Murder of Otávio Jordão da Silva that needs to be to added to it's AFD. Davidgoodheart (talk) 00:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Davidgoodheart, I left a note for the closer so they see that vote and take it into account. There's nothing new on the article Talk? Thanks though! Star Mississippi 00:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

COIN thread

Hello Star Mississippi,

When you get an opportunity I wondered if you might have a look at the following COIN thread [1] (and the tagged-on counter-thread started by the subject of the initial post).

It looks to me as though the history shows that there is some pretty transparent UPE going on, probably originating from a single individual operating from the close vicinity of the company headquarters, repeatedly arguing along similar lines under different accounts after promotional material was deleted. The activity started with an account which used the same name as the company itself, and then everything else flows from there.

If you could take some action or let me know your thoughts then it would be much appreciated. Axad12 (talk) 13:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I just skimmed it as my on wiki time is limited. There's a new queue for paid/COI editing, which you can reach via paid-en-wpwikipedia.org. But I think an SPI may be helpful in tandem. Apologies that I can't dig into this right now Star Mississippi 14:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

No problem, probably best if we discuss further at some point in the future when you have more time. I don't see the issue as particularly urgent, maybe towards the end of the month? In the meantime I'll ask for someone to start an SPI. Best wishes, Axad12 (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Remind me in early September please if I forget. I just partially blocked the main account from the article as a stopgap. Star Mississippi 16:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Itzler reversion about Sumnicht

I think maybe you reverted Talk:Jason Itzler by mistake? My edit included four reliable sources: Miami New Times / CBS News / New York Post / Miami Herald.

Also no claims were made other than why don't we cite these sources and this situation - I didn't even interpret them or what to include. JotsBank (talk) 03:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! No, it wasn't by mistake. Please explain how you found this article in your first day of editing. Thanks! Star Mississippi 12:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I found it by hearing the name and googling it, isn't that how biographies are generally encountered? Is it common to revert talk page additions which cite newspapers? JotsBank (talk) 17:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

When it's a new account where the article has been undergoing recent disruption leading to protection, yes. You didn't just google and decide to edit his article. Please log into your primary account and, if necessary, request an unblock. Star Mississippi 12:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Jason Lubell Itzler Infobox

Hi Star Mississippi,

I created the infobox for Jason Itzler's wikipedia page not too long ago.

I saw that you locked it due to vandals targeting the page (which was a good decision, considering the individual's recent activities).

Would you be open to restoring the infobox? I feel as if it adds more visual substance and accessibility to the page, let me know if this could be possible. It would be more helpful for the newer traffic to the page as it's currently formatted (somewhat) poorly.

Thank you in advance, Robert Francis Clarke (Robertclarke32) Robertclarke32 (talk) 23:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, apologies for the delay as I have been and am still mostly offline. You're welcome to reinstate the infobox. Star Mississippi 02:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Since my account is not Extended Confirmed, I don’t have access to reinstate it as the article is protected against vandalism. Robertclarke32 (talk) 21:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Please then follow the steps at WP:Edit requests on the talk page and someone will be by to assess and implement the requested edit. Star Mississippi 13:17, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft been hanging for over a months Draft:Jordan Ward (musician)

hello @Star Mississippi

"Could you please take a look at this draft Jordan Ward (musician)? It was previously declined due to some promotional language, which has since been removed. The writing has been revised, and I'd appreciate it if you could review the draft again."

Thanks Afro 📢Talk! 09:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Afrowriter, I'm not Star Mississippi but what I will say is your draft is no more important than the other 2,500 other drafts that are waiting for review. You resubmitted it a couple weeks ago and as the submission notice states it may take up to four months so be patient. S0091 (talk) 19:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

ok @S0091 thanks i have no issue with waiting Afro 📢Talk! 06:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Afrowriter and thanks @S0091 for stepping in while I was offline. Afrowriter, I unfortunately don't have the on wiki time to look into this but will do so when I'm back if no one else has. Star Mississippi 02:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks like @SafariScribe stepped in. Please let me know if more action is needed.Thanks all! Star Mississippi 13:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @Rejoy2003. Apologies for the delay as I have been and am still mostly offline. I can't look into this right now but will do so next week or sooner if I'm able. Star Mississippi 02:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

User:TDot74

Hi. Did you mean to block this user instead of someone else? It looks like they were removing BLP-violating content. Spicy (talk) 19:55, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Major mea culpa. Thanks so much for flagging @Spicy and I'm not even sure what happened. Will also leave a longer note on their Talk. Thanks and apologies again. Star Mississippi 19:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Now a LOUT sock...oh good grief!

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Resolved, no need to reply. Enjoy the weekend! Netherzone (talk) 12:10, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

BLP art collector/businessman

Hi Star Mississippi, I noticed that you are a member of WP:Theatre and have worked on several art museum articles. I would appreciate your opinion on the article draft that I created for Carl Thoma, an art collector and businessman. Because of my COI, I do not want to publish the article myself; if you agree that it has potential, would you mind helping to have it ready for main space? Thank you very much! JBarTB (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Apologies@JBarTB I missed this. I'll try to look at this in the next week if no one else has. Star Mississippi 01:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Star Mississippi, thanks for your response! If you have the time to look at the draft, it is still in my user space! Thank you! JBarTB (talk) 16:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Very odd

This is very odd AusLondonder (talk) 08:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

All sorted now. AusLondonder (talk) 08:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks and apologies for the delay @AusLondonder. I have made a friend in an LTA when I was AfD patrolling this weekend. They'll burn themselves out eventually. Thanks so much for flagging. Star Mississippi 01:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem, some people have too much time on their hands for their own good! AusLondonder (talk) 02:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

and belated now thanks to @Yamla, for this. When @AusLondonder flagged it, I thought it was the usual IP shenanigans. I really wish BCD would find a new hobby. Star Mississippi 12:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Question: moving an article at AfD be moved to draft while the AfD is still active?

Question: can an article at AfD be moved back to draft by the creator while the AfD is still active? This happened at this AfD for Prue Bishop Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prue Bishop before it was closed. See here: Draft:Prue Bishop. I tried reverting it by undoing the move that was made, but it did not change it back to the original main space title, so I don't think I did the process correctly. Could you please have a look at it? Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 15:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

All taken care of now. I'm curious, tho, if I run into this situation again in the future, what is the best way to resolve it. In this case, simply undoing the move did not change the name of the article, nor remove the error template. What is the proper procedure...doing a second move back to main space? Netherzone (talk) 23:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for again being MIA.

I ran into this issue this weekend when the LTA AusLondoner referenced above was moving things all over. I think the correct sequence is for you to tag the mainspace redirect for G6 and when an admin sees it, then move the draft back. When you tag it, there's a way to signal to the admin that there's a page needing moved and we can do it simultaneously. I see that in AfC but not sure if it would work here (@DoubleGrazing, @Timtrent do you know?) BUt you're correct, it shouldn't have been moved even if it's a tacit acceptance of I acknowledge it's not ready. I wish there were a way to move protect all discussions at AfD because really there's no reason for anyone to move an article while it's at AfD. Is that helpful? Star Mississippi 01:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm certainly no expert, but AFAIK that special flavour of G6, {{Db-afc-move}}, is only for AfC acceptances, and won't even come up in Twinkle's CSD dialog box outside the Draft: space. But another G6, {{Db-move}}, should be okay; likewise, {{Db-r2}}. Whichever variant you (us mere mortals, that is) use, involves a wait for one of our lovely admins to come along to do the deed, so it's not like one Db works quicker or smoother than the others.

@Netherzone: I don't think I've ever managed to successfully undo a move (by clicking 'undo' as one would with a normal edit, that is), either, so I don't even try that any more. I don't know if it's not even meant to work, or I'm just not doing it right. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Same. The undo shows, but it doesn't actually work even with extra admin buttons. Thanks all as always! Star Mississippi 12:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I concur. NO special template, and it would probably be too many mental backflips if it were there.

I r=tried to undo a move once. Got myself into no end of cycle of bother. Even being a page mover didn't really help much. I think the redirect had history, and thus I was prevented 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! I'll make a note of this if it's encountered in the future. And especially thanks because the question heading is written in word salad, and it was still understood, and you kind folks answered anyways. In the future, I will try to remember to proofread! Ha ha! Netherzone (talk) 13:38, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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Request to Change Superblue (Art Gallery) Page Title

Hi Star Mississippi,

Please consider changing Superblue (art gallery) title to "Superblue (Art)."

From vocabulary research, I've found galleries are within installations at an art company. The primary distinction from galleries to art companies is the selling of art pieces - Galleries must sell art pieces to be considered as such.

Superblue rotates installations featuring galleries displaying themed art pieces from the artists. They also do not sell the art they display.

The correct categorization here would either best fit under "Art" or "Art Company," not gallery.

Many thanks,

Swampcowboy (talk) 14:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Swampcowboy. I'm not sure your distinction applies here or in general. Galleries can sell, but don't always. For example China Institute or the National Gallery of Art. Please allow the discussion you opened on the Talk page to reach a consensus. I'll leave a pointer to this discussion therem but all discussions about articles should take place on the talk page. Star Mississippi 18:10, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

S6_(software)

Hello, I wrote this and when intending to upload as a new article found that an earlier effort was declined for copyright violation. User:PeterEasthope/sandbox Is it less objectionable or acceptable? Thx, ... PeterEasthope (talk) 21:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi! There is no issue compared with the one @Primefac deleted as a copyright nor the version that was deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/S6 (software). I'm not super familiar with software notability. If you are, and feel it's notable, feel free to move it to mainspace, otherwise I'd reccomend AfC @PeterEasthope Star Mississippi 23:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aleksi Ojala closing

Hi Star, thank you for closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aleksi Ojala. I was wondering if you could hear me out to change the closing comment from no consensus to keep? The reason is that there were no strong delete views (only two "weak delete") ever since @Ljleppan found the highest quality sources. On the other hand there were 3 keep views (plus one weak keep) in that time. I think the closing comment might be important to establish precedent should someone nominate the article again. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 13:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Habst. Thanks for flagging. I'm happy to review and reasses if my POV changes and/or fleshing out close, but I can't look at this for a couple of hours as I'm about to go offline. If you prefer sooner resolution, I have no objection to DRV. Let me know your thoughts and happy to proceed however you wish. Star Mississippi 14:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I've re-reviewed this and unfortunately I still land with a N/C. As I said before, I'll support a DRV if you think I've closed this wrong but can't see another outcome. Let me know your thoughts? Star Mississippi 21:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Star, thanks for reviewing. I am new to DRV so not sure if I can articulate a case there well, and ultimately it seems like a long process that will admittedly have no material effect except for precedent in this case. I'll let you know if my opinion changes or I have more time, though. --Habst (talk) 22:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Please do let me know if you change your mind. Happy to weigh in there.

I think what will help with precedent is getting the interview issue settled. It has come up more and more often and I think it's unsettled. My personal (editor, not admin) POV is that if X media outlet chooses to interview someone, there's something there. This is different of course to John Q Public being interviewed as a witness, bystander, etc. Athletes fall somewhere in the middle. Is Ojala (or anyone in comparable position) being interviewed as a matter of post match interviews, or is it more substantive?. Until that's solved, it's messy Star Mississippi 23:26, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Star

Hello Star, Can you help this editor in a proper AFD on my article Ada-George Road which was accepted. I have given him some word of advice on his talk page but I see he has taken Wikipedia as a war zone. All I see is frustration about his article but I believe with time he or she will understand because I was once there years ago but not in the sense of fighting back by nominating there article. Like I mean those years I argue with people who seem to be right instead of learning from them. Not anymore. Gabriel (……?) 16:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Gabriel601. I see you left them a note on their Talk. If that doesn't move forward productively, you might want to bring more eyes to the situation. I unfortunately do not have the on wiki time to moderate this, which was why I wasn't able to participate in the ANI. Pinging @Timtrent who participated in the AfD so there's no canvas issue for their thoughts. Star Mississippi 21:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I haven't even assessed the article I'm afraid. I just can't see a deletion rationale, nor a policy based argument to delete. I think it needs a procedural close with no action taken. I almost did a non admin closure on it saying so, but felt other eyes were required. Thank you for the ping Star Mississippi. I wonder if Reading Beans has a comment on the AfD itself as presented, ignoring the fact that they accepted the AfC draft.

I see no obstacle to a rationale based future AfD (at which I will !vote, and likely to retain it), but this one is pointless in my view. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your insight, as always, @Timtrent. I think it's a tit for tat, but unaware of background between Cfaso2000 and @Gabriel601 prior to the last couple of weeks. I see a poor nom but not a SK one like the editor at ANI I was cleaning up after.But no objection to someone else doing so as that's opinion not rule. Star Mississippi 02:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the ping Timtrent. FWIW, I think that the nomination was made in bad faith and should be closed SK. Having accepted the article, I think that would make me involved, otherwise I’d have close it myself with my prejudice to a renomination. I honestly think that the background between Cfaso2000 and Gabriel are now generating more heat than light at this time. Best, Reading Beans 04:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Closed, as a procedural speedy keep, with no prejudice against an immediate nomination with a policy based rationale. Probably, this is an IAR closure. Obviously this is a non admin closure.

@Star Mississippi I think that satisfies your "poor nom but not a SK one"

@Reading Beans I think I am not involved because I have simply repeated my comment there (and expanded it a little), and I think that satisfies your "should be closed SK"

@Gabriel601 If they will not walk away from you, you should walk away from them. Ideally both of you should walk away from each other. However, do not walk twelve paces, turn and fire. No-one wishes to become tainted by a grudge fight, whoever started it. I choose not to determine that currently. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:30, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I have also left a similar mildly worded but serious warning on the other editor's user talk page 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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When you have the opportunity I wondered if you might take a look at a couple of COIN threads and take any action you think may be necessary. Alternatively, if no action is necessary I’d genuinely be very grateful for input on that. There's no particular hurry incidentally, just whenever you should have the time…

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