User talk:Star Mississippi

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Request on 08:00:19, 2 March 2025 for assistance on AfC submission by Rachael Adrino

• Rachael Adrino (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Winston Utomo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello there. First of all, thank you for the suggestions. For the article, by your latest message, what else should be added so that this article can stand alone or should it be combined with the IDN article with the current conditions? Since this is my first draft and previously this has been summarized according to the references because of the many promotional phrases in the early draft, do you have any additional suggestions for me, please?

Rachael Adrino (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Rachael Adrino. I don't think there's anything you can add. WP:NOPAGE is a good guideline for when to write a separate page and when to include the information in a broader topic, which makes it easier for the reader. Does that help? Happy to tag it for the merger if you'd like Star Mississippi 15:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Alright then, I'll read it ASAP. One thing, is the merger page same with redirect page (when you click Winston Utomo, it will go to page IDN)? or in this case there are differents among them? Rachael Adrino (talk) 04:01, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, the title will direct the reader to information about Utomo within the IDN article. In a merger, information is carried over whereas a redirect it's generally simply a pointer to an extant section Star Mississippi 13:52, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Resubmitting without any attempt at addressing the feedback is disruptive. Please stop, or you will be blocked entirely. Star Mississippi 14:51, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Star Mississippi, my appologize I've done that because I was still confused about the feasibility issue, and I only caught the intention of removing the business man category. Because I was also busy in the real life, I was too quick for making a decision to resubmit. Once again forgive me for that action. I will use the "advice" button which you've provided. Rachael Adrino (talk) 08:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Editor x45

You warned this editor for UPE and for knitting socks. Any additional information you wish to add would be useful. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:19, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

Lincoln2020

Hello, Star Mississippi,

I've been a bit busy today and not up-to-date on discussions but how did a discussion on a topic ban, in a few hours turn into a consensus to site ban this editor? Color me surprised. I mean, I think I thought an indefinite block might happen at some point in the future but I didn't see that particular discussion closing in favor of this outcome. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Liz. I'm about to log off but you're welcome to reopen it. My read was there was no dissent at all. Not sure how familiar you are with their history, but the account appears to have been created to agitate, rather than improve the project. Alas they are not the only one using current political shenanigans as a cover. But like I said if you believe my read was wrong, please do reopen the discussion as I don't expect to have substantive on wiki time until later tomorrow. Star Mississippi 03:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, I just read through their talk page from the last three days and I can see what happened. I advised them to drop the stick and move on and it looks like between them and Thumpus, they doubled down on their complaining and mischaracterizing the project. Things were going downhill when I really thought they were about ready to drop the dispute and go back to editing. But I was wrong. Since I closed the WP:AN, partially out of discussion exhaustion, I don't want to intrude in this ANI discussion. Sorry for questioning your decision-making. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:35, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

You never intrude @Liz and please always question. And you hit the nail on the head, neither of them was good for the other editing productively. I think this is the challenge new editors face, they don't understand that we (project) don't function like other sources of information. And you see public officials who get louder until they get their way, and they think that's a path forward. Plus new accounts jumping right into articles fraught with political talking points sadly does not end well. Have a good day! Star Mississippi 13:55, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

I would like to second the request to re-open the discussion, per WP:CBAN site ban discussions must be open for 72 hours. Primefac (talk) 14:04, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Apologies for the delay @Primefac, I was offline. At this stage, I'm going to decline not because I'm unwilling, but simply because there have been two declined unblocks and reopening it at this stage would lead to more confusion IMO. If you're aware of a way that won't be disruptive, happy to. Let me know? Star Mississippi 00:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Just to note, that second unblock is about appealing to ARBCOM, so I think that would be more disruptive over what to me seems to be a technically that should be followed. (Part of why Lincoln2020 was upset had to do with how they thought an RfC was handled; while the early site-ban goes against this RfC. Not fully equivalent, but hopeful you get my intend here.)

As for how to go forward, the only options I can see are to re-open the full discussion, re-open everything except for the SBAN discussion and have it restart anew, or have ARBCOM review the SBAN and have them decide how to proceed. (Again, I think this is something ARBCOM doesn't have to deal with provided some action is taken to follow WP:CBAN.) --Super Goku V (talk) 08:35, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

I have re-opened the discussion on procedural grounds. Noting that the outcome does appear to be fairly obvious, I have left Lincoln blocked, as reinstating the block 12 hours from now would be rather pointless (and possibly more disruptive than necessary). Primefac (talk) 14:47, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

@Primefac @Super Goku V I commented there to keep it central, but I'm fine with this. My hesiation yesterday was purely of timing. We all want the same outcome of closure/path forward, whatever that looks like. I have a feeling this broader AP2 issue is headed back to ArbComm regardless of the particular players much as Israel/Palestine did late last year. Thanks both for moving forward while I was offline. Star Mississippi 01:32, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Sport in Albania, again

Hello Star. It has been quite a while since we interacted, as I have become increasingly inactive on Wikipedia and edit only sporadically. It's good to see you are still active.

I recently came around to Sport in Albania (again) and tried beginning a clean-up there. It has always bugged me that there are a bunch of breathless match-by-match reports, sometimes with more or less worthy sourcing, but too little focus on sport in general in that country (as at most parallel articles).

Anyway, my clean-up was rather drastic, a series of 10 edits that pruned out unexplained tables, entirely empty sections, a second image with a duplicate caption, and the breathless sort of play-by-play communicating the (exciting!) exploits of Albanian athletes. I also expanded and corrected a number of references.

I am disappointed but not surprised that my edits caught the attention of (you'll never guess) an IP-editor from Germany. And it's not so much that they undid my changes (re-adding unsourced content and mystery tables), but that they're throwing around the charges of racism again (not at me, this time). The IPs are 2A00:20:D00B:B20:3B24:E54A:6A72:D714 and 2A00:20:D046:B1C0:14BB:C30:FE7:F21F, both from Germany, and the racism (from ...:F21F) is aimed at User:Adelbeighou, who reverted ...:D714's first flurry of changes. I can't say that Adelbeighou isn't editing provocatively or even with a racist slant, but I do hate to see the knee-jerk accusations be our German friend's first resort.

Also, I thought this guy (presumably Xoni98/Prishtinë25) was blocked. Do I need to assemble evidence and file a report at one of the messageboards?

Thanks for whatever advice/help you can offer. I hope you are well and editing happily. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 20:50, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @JohnFromPinckney. All is well here and I hope the same is true for you. Always good to hear from you, although I wish that IP had moved on. I'm guessing the IP blocks have all expired. I think much of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xoni98 will be stale, but it's worth filing since the disruption is active. @Tamzin I'm not clerk shopping, but any further insight since you've looked at this mess before? Thanks either way! Star Mississippi 01:03, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mistletoe-alert (talk) 06:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mistletoe-alert (talk) 06:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

• Hi! Just want to be sure you know that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. EEng 11:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Emil_Kalous

Hi, would you mind expanding on your NC close please? All of the keep !votes are based on the assumption that inaccessible sources exist in Czech newspapers (despite no valid claim to a presumption of SIGCOV existing, and contra the requirement that a SIGCOV source be cited), but I did a comprehensive search in Czech libraries that covered multiple national and local papers and the results are trivial. This was not rebutted. JoelleJay (talk) 19:14, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done with apologies, I thought I had provided a reason as it definitely needed one. I still don't see a consensus there, so if you feel it's incorrect I welcome DRV for further thought. Star Mississippi 19:44, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Star, thanks for the explanation! Regarding With what has been found, we have a difference of opinion on whether it infers further coverage's existence. That was not resolved. I would have understood this interpretation prior to my searching, but I did a very extensive search in newspapers from 1918-25 without finding a single piece of coverage more than two sentences, so I thought the dearth of coverage had been pretty convincingly demonstrated (and also directly rebutted BeanieFan's !vote). Additionally, per NOLY and NSPORT2022 the subject explicitly cannot be presumed to have received SIGCOV based simply on having gone to the Olympics or running a marathon; and even if he did actually meet a sports criterion we can't infer that further coverage exists unless and until a real SIGCOV source is cited, which was never achieved. Two delete !voters ( @Geschichte and @Clariniie) weighed in after I did the source analysis and did not dispute my assessment, while only one keep weighed in and had the clearly incorrect position that trivial sources count towards BASIC when they do not. JoelleJay (talk) 23:44, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I had been meaning to ask at the discussion, but it seems I didn't get around to: were any of the newspapers in the "extensive search" from Hradec Králové? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I checked all periodicals across several databases, I don't know how many of them cover Hradec Kralove. Perhaps you could ask @FromCzech. In Kramerius, the best I got across all permutations of "Olympijské" or "olympijský"+"Emil Kalous" or "Jan Kalous" were a couple passing mentions [1][2] [3][4] (and quotes from the unrelated coach in the late 1970s). Meanwhile, a search for "Olympijské" returned 14,382 records. "maratón"+"Kalous" returned one unrelated hit. Since some of the hits didn't provide full view of the page, I logged into my partner's Charles University account to access those publications, in particular those from Lidove noviny, (and search all other holdings between 1918 and 1930) via two of the databases at Digitalni Knihovna. Many of the hits there seemed to be for a catechist with the same name, e.g. here:

Věstník Ministerstva školství a národní osvěty =: Mitteilungen des Ministeriums für Schulwesen und Volkskulture. Praha: Ministerstvo školství a národní osvěty, 1918-1942. ISSN 1802-5048. Dostupné také z: https://www.digitalniknihovna.cz/mzk/uuid/uuid:c00d7f90-3aaf-11eb-a9f6-005056827e51

and here. Then I hand-typed anything that looked like it had more than just sports stats into Google translate.

I've since logged out of my partner's account, so if you have any specific papers you wanted to check it will have to be some time tomorrow. But all of this is way beyond what is expected of BEFORE... JoelleJay (talk) 01:25, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Kramerius doesn't seem to work well for me – If you get the chance, could you also check something like "Kalous Příbram" (his club) or "Kalous Hradec" / "Kalous Králové" (another club)? BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

NOLY doesn't matter. Everything before NSPORTS2022 is just leftover stuff. Nothing new has been added. I'd rather just delete everything at NSPORT except the SIGCOV part if people are going to start citing it to delete stuff. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:31, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9 @BeanieFan11 @JoelleJay thanks all for your insight & input. Even with this, I still don't see a consensus there and don't feel comfortable closing it any other way. Normally I wouldn't relist one that had that much discussion, but since it only has been relisted once I'd be happy to if you'd rather avoid DRV Star Mississippi 04:10, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I feel like there's already enough questionable Olympian AFDs I have to deal with... BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I voted delete or redirect based on JoelleJay's source analysis, but for Emil Kalous AfD, other users seemed to disagree. Yeah, I know how difficult it can be to find non-English sources, especially for pre-internet topic like this. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:49, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

I voted redirect but I think the "no consensus" close is an accurate reading of this discussion. That said, a more discussion could possibly move consensus one way or another. As always, Star, I appreciate your taking on some of the more challenging closes. Frank Anchor 15:49, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Star, I would appreciate a relist! JoelleJay (talk) 21:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Happy to @JoelleJay. I know I'll fail at a mass ping in the template, so courtesy heads up to you @BeanieFan11 @Clariniie @Frank Anchor @WikiOriginal-9 since it's easier when you're in one chat that I'll do so momentarily with a pointer here. Star Mississippi 21:23, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

"while only one keep weighed in and had the clearly incorrect position that trivial sources count towards BASIC when they do not" -- @JoelleJay, I have great respect for your contributions but you can't just say things like that without justification. WP:BASIC clearly says, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. You can dispute that it's met in this instance, but the consensus is clear that the coverage provided is in the ballpark that you could combine it and write a BASIC-compliant article. --Habst (talk) 13:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

You keep quoting only the first half of that sentence. trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. JoelleJay (talk) 20:50, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I was quoting the relevant part. The coverage we have of Kalous is clearly non-trivial by comparison of the only P&G example, "Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton, that 'In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice' is plainly a trivial mention of that band". The quotes we have for combining are all more than that.

I think this would be good to discuss further in the AfD. --Habst (talk) 22:17, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

By that logic, "trivial" would be anything less than the only P&G example of SIGCOV, the book-length history of IBM. Regardless, the consensus is that sportsperson articles must cite a source of SIGCOV, which overrides BASIC. JoelleJay (talk) 23:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

SPORTCRIT does not override NBASIC; "SPORTBASIC #5 was never intended, nor should it be misused, to trump or overrule the more general, overarching rule." BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:16, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

That was one !voter's statement in one AfD, not a consensus ruling. JoelleJay (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

The "one !voter" was the creator of that criterion. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, and the proposal that gained consensus was somewhat different from the one he proposed, due to !voters' responses. JoelleJay (talk) 00:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Well... there's also been plenty of sportspeople AFD discussions that have found a consensus to "keep" on the basis that there was enough to satisfy NBASIC – take Vivian Hultman (which became a GA) as an example. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

I think this would be good to discuss further in the AfD.

While I have absolutely no issue with you (collectively) discussing it here with one another, I think the AfD is the better venue especially if it's referred back to in further discussions of Olympians. I did leave a pointer here in my relist though so it will be found. Thanks all for your detailed input as always in these discussions. Star Mississippi 23:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

• Thanks @OwenX: for your detailed close and all of your input. Star Mississippi 16:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

  Please keep that in mind when they drag me to DRV... ;) Owen× ☎ 16:25, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

  @OwenX: That was weak. The discussion was determined to have "no consensus" when Star Mississippi closed it – and in the period following the relist, the only further vote was a !keep. How on earth does it go from no consensus to then being "redirect" when more people support doing the opposite after the relist!? You say in the close that we're "left with GNG" because NOLY tell[s] us that an individual merely participating in the Olympics does not imply a likelihood of existence of sourcing supporting notability. That means that we cannot even accept the minority view that the subject's participation in the 1924 event likely resulted in SIGCOV – you're forgetting that equally important as NOLY is NATH, which the subject met as demonstrated by Habst. Several sources besides the mentions shown by JoelleJay were presented, including the one arguably SIGCOV piece that although JoelleJay said was unreliable and of limited depth, Habst countered by noting that It's actually closer to a news site than a blog because it includes editorial review ... [and] Their article on Kalous goes far beyond the two paragraphs listed, for example who he was led by, his journey to the Olympics, his teammates, etc. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:16, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Sachikosky

Hi again, thanks so much for the advise and the link, which was really very useful. I have removed all the links from the body as advised but put internal links back in. Should I have left them out as well? Sachikosky (talk) 16:48, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Sachikosky. Nope you've done exactly as you should, and I removed some stray formatting that just happens. Thanks so much for following @Netherzone's and my suggestions. It's in better shape for review now. Star Mississippi 18:42, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your advice and taking time to communicate with me. I appreciate it greatly. Sachikosky (talk) 21:32, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Star Mississippi. I have completed a draft of this page and would appreciate feedback on whether it's heading in the right direction. I have carefully inserted citations from the linked documents to demonstrate that they do more than just mention the subject in passing—they actively discuss the works. Would you have the time and the care to take a look at this page? Sachikosky (talk) 10:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

You've done well @Sachikosky. I just added some sub sections to make the main one easier to read. Someone will review it when they can, there's currently a large backlog. You're welcome to continue editing it if you wish while awaiting review. Star Mississippi 15:08, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much @Star Mississippi Sachikosky (talk) 15:16, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

March music

story · music · places

On Ravel's birthday, we also think of a conductor and five more composers ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Ooh thanks for this bit of music ed @Gerda Arendt. Sesquicentennial was a fun tongue twister a few years ago and now we're on to Semiquincentennial, which I imagine will apply too to some musicians. Star Mississippi 21:56, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Today I could have written five stories off the main page, and chose Sofia Gubaidulina. I find the TFA also interesting, and two DYK, and a birthday OTD. How about you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Today: an opera, 100 years old OTD, on Bach's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Shades of my old elementary school music teacher who taught us to love the classics. Thank you for that good memory @Gerda Arendt Star Mississippi 13:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I love to hear that! - Today, 300 years of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1! We sang works for (mostly) double choir by Pachelbel, Johann Christoph Bach, Kuhnau/Bach, Gounod and Rheinberger! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi!

Thanks for your help! What do Draft:Malmsbury Youth Justice Centre and Draft:Murder of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies and Draft:Morphy v Land Rover look like? If these are also almost done then they might be worth rescuing. Polygnotus (talk) 01:55, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I've restored Draft:Malmsbury Youth Justice Centre as it's certainly viable. Murder of... is literally just a period. I think maybe @MaxnaCarta forgot about it or decided they didn't have time. I didn't bother restoring as I don't think we even need it for attribution. Thanks to you as well @Polygnotus for teaching me the refideas template. Super helpful especially as it alerts editors where a Talk page note doesn't. Always happy to restore drafts, so ping me any time I'm online. Star Mississippi 02:00, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks again, I'll take a look. Polygnotus (talk) 02:00, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

oops, we edit conflicted. Morphy is now restored as well @Polygnotus. Not sure about that one's viability, but no reason not to restore. Star Mississippi 02:05, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I think Malmsbury is certainly worth rescuing. Not sure about Morphy yet; I'll have to do some Googling. Polygnotus (talk) 03:59, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Yay! I'm not watching any of these and think they're simple once ready, but if you run into any mainspace redirects or other barriers to straight restoration, just ping me. Star Mississippi 14:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks all I have been off grid on holiday for few months (just got back from Antarctica!). Morphy is well dead and I’m not seeing a WP:REFUND, I never found enough sources to justify a full article beyond a draft. Really appreciate you describing Malmsbury. Thanks both. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:53, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

@MaxnaCarta Maybe we can convince you to upload some photos on Mediawiki Commons? Polygnotus (talk) 12:55, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

WHOA. If you do take @Polygnotus on their suggestion @MaxnaCarta please do link them here as I'd love to see your photos. No formal REFUND needed. You're both always welcome to ask for a PROD/G13 restoration as I have no hesitation in providing them for experienced editors. Star Mississippi 00:43, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi, Star,

Thanks for all of the AFD work you did today. Beeblebrox, who was handling quite a few AFD closures, has a schedule change and will not be available for AFD work until maybe sometime in the the future. For the past two weeks, I've been having a series of migraine headaches which have me avoiding more stressful editing work or areas of conflict. I'm just not in the condition to argue policy or any other matter. Much of the headaches are connected to the situation of the world right now which is out of my control but I can at least do more demanding work in the mornings because the caffeine really helps with the migraines.

Aside from all of that, I hope you have a pleasant weekend. You're a bright light, Star! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:59, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

So sorry to hear you haven't been feeling well @Liz, but glad you have a time of day where you're able to feel better or at least navigate the symptoms. The world is certainly not helping an anything. I wondered what was up leaving some discussions at the end of my day when I logged on. Hope Beebs is OK, but happy to step in as you two, @OwenX and Explicit have certainly carried the load for a very long time. I occasionally check in as I know you get a lot of requests, and sometimes I can take easy ones off your plate but please ping me on your Talk or elsewhere if there's something you'd like me to handle. Star Mississippi 14:21, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

I know exactly what you mean, Liz. My wife has a similar reaction to the news over the past two months, and I have to keep reminding her to focus on the part of her life that is within her control. These aren't normal times, but I hope you get back to normalcy, health and all. Don't worry about AFD; Star, Sandstein and Explicit handle most of it, leaving only a handful of the ugliest, most contentious ones for me to close on day 8 (with the inevitable ensuing fun at DRV...). I'm also trying to encourage some of the more experienced non-admins to handle more of the straightforward AFDs. Some of them are more than ready for the mop. Owen× ☎ 15:17, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

So sorry your wife is struggling as well @OwenX. It's sad that news is somewhat literally unhealthy.

I totally agree re: those admins in waiting, @OwenX. I've seen a fair few whose well-reasoned closes are as good as any of ours. While I understand the logic, and there are certainly editors who have shown they shouldn't be closing discussions, I'm not in favor of this current trend that NAC=bad, especially when there are so many that close with ATDs that anyone can implement. We have more experience, maybe, but we're not magically better.

Sometimes especially with the run of relists I just did, I feel like a clerk which should be an option for those on the cusp of RfA/elections. Those with some weekday availability will certainly find a collection of ripe discussions. I wish every discussion had the passion that #Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emil Kalous above did as it would make closers' lives so much easier-I say even as I hate closing sports discussions because consensus is unsettled.

Hang in there both of you, and thanks for all you do. Star Mississippi 19:11, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Help with mysterious duplicate draft

Hi Star, I was doing a little work at Articles for Creation, and accepted the draft for this article: Conor McNally, but it seems like either I or the AFCH tool created a duplicate of the draft, so now we have an exact copy Draft:Conor McNally. I'm not sure what I did wrong or if something went buggy with the tool, but the draft copy needs to be deleted. I'm not sure how to do this myself without affecting the article in main space, I didn't see a speedy deletion option for this in Twinkle. Thanks in advance! Netherzone (talk) 15:45, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Netherzone. I just saw that reported somewhere, unfortunately I can't find it. @Novem Linguae, @Primefac any chance you recall that? I feel like it was that there is an edit conflict, but some action means it doesn't and therefore duplicates. In the mean time, I just G6ed it since that's close enough and there's no history to preserve. Star Mississippi 02:01, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Howdy! I went ahead and WP:BLAR'd it, which is what the script normally does when accepting drafts. Hope it helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:13, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Netherzone (talk) 12:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

That does tend to happen from time to time, not frequently enough to really debug, but the advice to just redirect to the new article is sound (since that's what would be done anyway). Primefac (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Four Golden Princess

Hello! You nominated Four Golden Princess article for deletion in 2021. This might not be the appropriate place to discuss a deletion review, but I'm here to tell you as the discussion starter on Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 September 14#Four Golden Princess – RagnaParadise – has been inactive since October 2024 and is unlikely to respond. I'm also not sure if at least two deletion reviews are accepted.

First, I want to apologize for my wrong vote I added as a 19-year-old teenager, which ended up being redirect to M-Girls. Those two girl groups were unrelated (not a sub-unit or former name) but formed through the same company. There were no enough discussion before I came in except the evidence of passing WP:NMUSIC; even if the subject does so, all Wikipedia articles must meet WP:GNG for the best and most important. Four Golden Princess was a Chinese-Malaysian children's music group during the pre-internet era, thus searching requires some efforts. Yes, modernday news websites are limited to routine marriage and childbirth announcements. Someone might translate Chinese-Malaysian archived sources of the 1990s (e.g. Magazine and newspapers).

⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:45, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Clariniie

Not to worry, we all make mistakes and what's important is you learned from it. I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you're asking me to do here. It's unlikely that DRV is going to overturn a three year old discussion especially since the DRV you referenced endorsed it. I agree with @Extraordinary Writ that recreation is an option, and it doesn't require DRV since the redirect isn't protected. You can undo it and work from there, or you can work in draft space and move it to mainspace. Someone may nominate it again, and there can be a discussion at that time about their notability. Let me know if I'm misunderstanding you? Courtesy ping @Sandstein as closer. Star Mississippi 15:02, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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Draft:J. R. Preston I started a draft on this fellow a while back and would be happy to have some help with it. (Also posted this on Mississippi Wikiproject talk page). I hipe all is well. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC) Thanks @FloridaArmy. I'll try to get to this in the coming days and week. You know I love educators, so thanks for flagging. Star Mississippi 02:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC) Virtute et armis FloridaArmy (talk) 02:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC) Hi Again! Got me hooked. I was able to free up some time and made some revisions to Draft:J. R. Preston. Hope this is a bit of a help getting this article to mainspace. Seems he is a truly notable person. It does still need some work, it feels like a credible start. — ERcheck (talk) 04:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC) Wow Thank you @ERcheck. Great research. I do agree he's notable and apologies @FloridaArmy for letting this and others slip through cracks. Star Mississippi 14:22, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Think it is time to promote it to mainspace? — ERcheck (talk) 23:54, 12 February 2025 (UTC) Oh I thought you were still working on it and didn't want to move mid work like our friend Mr. Moise. Feel free to move it when you're done or I'll do it when I log back on tomorrow morning @ERcheck Star Mississippi 02:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Thanks. Looks like all is in order! These few biographies were fun to work on. — ERcheck (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC) Draft:Theodore Sydney Moïse Any chance you or your page watchers could help with this declined draft? Several "further reading" sources are included. Thanks! FloridaArmy (talk) 00:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC) Hi User:Star Mississippi. After you commented about the LRC on my talk page, I came over to your talk page and found this comment. Curious about the draft, I made some edits to Draft:Theodore Sydney Moïse. Check them out. Feels like notability has been established — he has a painting in the Metropolitan Museum of Art and one in the Smithsonian American Art Museum's collection. — ERcheck (talk) 05:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC) Oh I firmly agree. Thanks so much @ERcheck for the eyes on it and the help. @FloridaArmy apologies for losing track of this one, I will move it now. Star Mississippi 01:52, 11 February 2025 (UTC) You are welcome! This was an interesting biography to work on. BTW, you moved the article in the middle of my making some additional edits. You may find the final section of the article interesting. — ERcheck (talk) 02:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC) Oh wow, and personally so since I had a college friend who went to a school named for Grace Dodge! Love a good art mystery. The drafts @FloridaArmy flags are always fascinating in one manner or another, and they know I have a soft spot for the arts, as well as overlooked southern topics. Hopefully I didn't mess up your edit with the move. Star Mississippi 02:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC) Thanks User:ERcheck! Nice work. Interesting entry. Hopefully some more of his art will be included in time. Thanks also to StarMississippi. Much appreciated. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:26, 12 February 2025 (UTC) You are welome @FloridaArmy. — ERcheck (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC) Draft:Alice Josephine Tye Noel I don't understand the submission denial rationale for the submitted draft and I think she belongs in mainspace. Ripe for expansion no doubt. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC) Thanks. Looking into this and Moise who you flagged above. Apologies for delay, on wiki time has been somewhat limited. Star Mississippi 22:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC) Apologies for the pings, FA. Wanted to restore this to work on. Star Mississippi 21:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC) At first I wondered about her individual notability, but reading the references, there was more to be told. I made a major re-write and believe it is ready for Mainspace. What do you think @Star Mississippi? — ERcheck (talk) 02:46, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Feel free to move it to Mainspace if you deem it ready. — ERcheck (talk) 16:41, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Absolutely and apologies for the delay on both @ERcheck. So glad our paths crossed as I was definitely unable to prioritize these great drafts. I've moved it. Star Mississippi 16:55, 13 February 2025 (UTC) No worries. Thanks for moving it! — ERcheck (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Temple High School (Mississippi)

Here's a former Mississippi high school with interesting history but rejected. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

thanks for flagging @FloridaArmy. I was offline for most of the holidays and @Ktkvtsh: got to this before I was able (thank you). Will see if there's anything I can add now that it's in mainspace. Star Mississippi 00:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you SM! You did such a nice job on Alfred Edgar Smith I am assigning you Draft:Valena C. Jones Normal School. No good deed goes unpunished! All is forgiven. I hope your year is going terrific. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I never mind homework :D and feel free to flag anything I can help with. I was reading the work of Candacy Taylor and Smith was mentioned. I was glad to see it was your draft since I knew you wouldn't mind my crashing it.

GOing to batch this with the others so neither they nor this archive like the first batch did. New Year is off to a healthy but suprisingly cold start. I hope you're also well. Star Mississippi 02:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Drive by comment to myself to keep these from archiving Star Mississippi 03:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

This is a good one!, another, Direct detailing page 1, and page 2. These shpuld help a lot; this is direct detailing before opening! BusterD (talk) 11:47, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Richard Mafundi Lake

Slightly self serving here, but @FloridaArmy: and I have both been trying to get this one across the line after I read about him in Imani Perry's book. Any thoughts @ERCheck:? No worries if you're not interested or don't have bandwidth, just thought you might. Star Mississippi 02:31, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

See Draft talk:Richard Mafundi Lake. Some thoughts — ERcheck (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Better than a mere mention, three years' earlier activism, from 1982, quote. BusterD (talk) 11:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Kate L. McLaurin

I would be glad to have help with this writer and dramatist who was born In Yazoo City according to IMDb. Is there an obituary out there somewhere? I couldn't find much about her but her plays garnered some attention and several were adapted to film. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:23, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

She looks interesting @FloridaArmy. Let me see what I can find. Thanks, as always, for flagging Star Mississippi 16:15, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've clipped a death notice, an LA Times obit, and Yazoo City article. These should help fill the page out a bit. BusterD (talk) 11:06, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi - See looks interesting and the draft article is a good start.

Her death certificate is available on her Find-A-Grave page:

• Find-A-Grave page
• Death Certificate, she was married to Willard Robertson at the time of her death.

— ERcheck (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @BusterD & @ERcheck. Super helpful. @FloridaArmy I'll try to get to this next week. Until then my on wiki time is still somewhat limited. Star Mississippi 01:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

She looks like a cool subject. BusterD (talk) 01:58, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Seeking Opinion

hello🙏

i am approaching you for an advice. What to do if I find an editor who has created draft on a subject ( BLP) and its was declined by 3 reviewers including me. He , then writes same (new one ) article and makes it live in mains pace. Isn’t it against our policy? If the editor does it knowingly, won’t it make a circumstances to take action against him/her. Plz clarify. Rahmatula786 (talk) 04:43, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rahmatula786 contact an admin to get the title WP:Salted Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 06:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Rahmatula786 & @Rejoy2003. There's no need for SALTing here, which won't solve the issue anyway. AfC is optional. If the editor is being disruptive, you can raise it at AN/I. But @RangersRus' suggestion of AfD is how you handle the article if you don't believe the subject is notable. You can also get help at WP:AFCHD or the Talk page from other reviewers Star Mississippi 16:14, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

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Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 06:27, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't have an email from you @Rejoy2003. I'll keep an eye out, but just let me know what you need? Star Mississippi 16:14, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi that's surprising. I did email you like yesterday. It was related to this. Like do you mind closing it? Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 16:56, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Never got an email @Rejoy2003, but it looks like it has been handled in the interim Star Mississippi 12:44, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Could you restore 1902 American Medical football team and redirect it to American Medical football per your close comment? I created the merged article. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:22, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done @WikiOriginal-9. Thanks for creating and flagging it. Star Mississippi 12:43, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Arrietty

Can you please restore Arrietty (drag queen) in the draft space for future expansion? The subject is almost certainly going to qualify for an article in the near future. Thank you. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:53, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done

You can obviously ignore the review header that the script puts as a default. Not watching so ping me if you need anything with the draft. I think you know, but in case it needs saying, your snow argument was fine even if I didn't agree. The subsequent one on 14 March was the one I was calling out in the close. Star Mississippi 20:22, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

2025 March

@Star Mississippi I have a question to ask about policies. Is there any policy that we cannot add previous leadership in an article? Previously all previous politburo were added to Politburo of the Communist Party of India (Marxist). No editor opposed it. But now an editor is removing contents adding only current politburo members (excluding the members who passed away after formation of latest poliburo). Chinese Communist Party has separate articles for different politburo (like 19th, 20th, etc). I was asking him to get consensus. The editor previously added a discussion on the talk page to add functions and to remove old politburo and I opposed it as history should be kept. No other editor took part in the discussion and the editor is now imposing his edits. What is the WP policy regarding this and what is your view in this regard? XYZ 250706 (talk) 17:42, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Previously the editor was imposing his edits also in CPI(M). You may remember that I requested you to tell me about good source reviewers. Robert McClenon added source review and he, I and another editor supported the idea of adding multiple ideologies. Another editor in previous discussion supported the notion of clarifying ideologies. But this editor removed them saying that sources were not good and there was no consensus. XYZ 250706 (talk) 17:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @XYZ 250706. This isn't something I have the time to look into. If you and the other editor disagree, you can go to WP:DR. I believe @Robert McClenon is or has been active in DR and he may have further insight on next steps. Star Mississippi 01:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi I understood your point. However my question is whether adding previous politburo (7th to 22nd) to the article is against Wikipedia policy or not. XYZ 250706 (talk) 09:18, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I do not know unfortunately @XYZ 250706 and it's not something I can look into right now since I doubt it's a clear yes or no answer. Star Mississippi 13:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Blocked from editing

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Hello, I've been blocked from editing, I don't know what I did wrong, but whatever it is, I didn't mean any harm, if you could please unblock me, I promise I won't cause any more harm. Thanks. AndrewTheWikiEditor (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @AndrewTheWikiEditor. I responded to you on your talk page. I'll leave a further note to keep it central. Star Mississippi 15:28, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. AndrewTheWikiEditor (talk) 15:29, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

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what exactly do I need to do?

best regards. Ungus bagungus the 3rd (talk) 00:42, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

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Apologies for the delay @Extraordinary Writ. I needed to get somewhere that I had access to that email account. Received with thanks! Star Mississippi 15:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Opinion - new article on WWI vet

@Star Mississippi - I came across a WaPo article about a WWI veteran who lived to 107. At the time of his death, he was one of approximately 50 WWI vets still alive. Not the oldest, as there was a vet of age 114 still living. The article gives his interesting life story. His notability would be (1) living in 3 centuries, from 1898 to 2005; (2) one of approximately 50 WWI vets alive; and (3) the oldest WWI vet in Texas.

Question: Do you think an article would pass Wikipedia notability standards?

• Washington Post article: Holley, Joe (January 21, 2006). "Past a Century, Veteran Stayed Inquisitive". Washington Post. Retrieved March 28, 2025.

— ERcheck (talk) 17:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Sorry my on wiki time has been limited but I'll look at this ASAP. Star Mississippi 13:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Jay Block Article and removal of edit block

Hello is it possible for you to remove an edit block pun intended on the article mentioned I wont mess with it like i did before unless it is absolutley necessary to maintain wikipedias neutrality. Is it possible to do. Dmesh2498 (talk) 19:40, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Dmesh2498 You're welcome to request an unblock and an administrator will review it.

I'd advise clearly explaining why you need to edit that article and can't just ignore its existence. Star Mississippi 13:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Mainly if I needed to add a picture I uploaded to wikimedia to use on the article namely Senator Block during his military service in afghanistan that can be put under his early life section or even his military service record in the box. That is the only thing I intend to put in using two sources mentioned below in the article to maintain neutrality. Dmesh2498 (talk) 16:18, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Dmesh2498: I don't think you should be editing that article in any case, since you seem to have an external relationship with the subject.

While I have you on the line, so to speak, can you tell me if you have, or have had in the past, other Wikipedia user account(s)? Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

yes i do he is a friend I campaigned for him. I am the associate not his other one I felt it was initially necessary to fix the original article that was a hit piece. Even for the sake of neutrality just be glad this aint the croatian wikipedia. Dmesh2498 (talk) 00:58, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

@Dmesh2498 that indicates you should not be editing the page directly. You remain free to make edit requests if there are specific issues that need addressing. Star Mississippi 02:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Dmesh2498 - I do not find any image of Senator Block from his military service on Wikimedia. — ERcheck (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

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