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Your submission at Articles for creation: Hostile government takeover (March 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Spiderone was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Hostile government takeover3

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Hostile government takeover3 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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March 2025

This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Adsdasdasdassdasasdasdsadasdsadsaasdsaadsdasdsa, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:02, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean to commit vandalism. another user at 10:30 central time at 3/29/25 moved the Hostile government takeover page from Hostile government takeover to Hostile Government takeover to prevent it from being found with the wikipedia api. I was inexperienced and I didn't know how to undo the move. I thought moved the page to a page that wasn't in use would work but I don't know how to move a page back that's been given a new name. I can't simply undo the move. apparently that doesn't work. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 06:13, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I didn't mean to commit vandalism. another user at 10:30 central time at 3/29/25 moved the Hostile government takeover page from Hostile government takeover to Hostile Government takeover to prevent it from being found with the wikipedia api. I was inexperienced and I didn't know how to undo the move. I thought moved the page to a page that wasn't in use would work but I don't know how to move a page back that's been given a new name. I can't simply undo the move. apparently that doesn't work.Cradleofcivilization (talk) 06:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Looking at your edit history, the block seems well justified (personally, I would have probably blocked you indef). I suggest you sit this one out, and think about the disruption you've caused, which others are having to now clean up after you. And for future reference, if you don't know whether or how to move a page, then don't move it. DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:52, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Cradleofcivilization (talk) 06:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The initial move was not vandalism, and didn't prevent it from being found with the wikipedia api. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:05, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yes it did. what is hostile government takeover

hostile government Takeover arguing for 2025 song by TikToker AgiftfromTodd manufacturer because they will wait we 4 black reward that hated

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what is hostile government takeover

In business a for careful physical is the purchase of one company the target by another the acquirer or I adorned calm word because they advanced. pages that are redirected don't show up as the same search result for their own search. redirect vandalism occurs all over wikipedia and although this may not have been that. It absolutely did prevent it from showing up in the wikipedia api. I agree my block shouldn't be appealed, but I did have good intentions as petty as they were. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 07:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you explain how you're using the API? jlwoodwa (talk) 07:43, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

3/29/2025 - 10:28:29pm hostile government Takeover arguing for 2025 song by TikToker AgiftfromTodd manufacturer because they will wait we 4 black reward that hated

In business a for careful physical is the purchase of one company the target by another the acquirer or I adorned calm word because they advanced 10:34:32pm these times are based on california time. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 07:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

those are the logs from my chatbot. you can see the first log comes from the hostile government takeover page. the second log a couple of seconds later comes from the wikipedia takeover page. but were really get into the weeds here. the user changed the name of the page because he thought that was real important for some reason. I'm not entirely clear if that broke the disambiguation page but I suppose I could have just changed the link. redirects generally break the wikipedia api. maybe that's not why the hostile government takeover page was disconnected from the wikipedia api. I don't feel with my robot and the wikipedia api I'm doing anything wrong but that's a separate issue. I donate 50 dollars a year to wikipedia because the wikipedia api has been really helpful in allowing the robot to express language.

the main thing is because the wikipedia api broke for the page. I tried to fix by undoing the move. I was unable to undo the move.

so I tried to change the page name so I could change it back to the original page name. I suppose I don't feel changing one word from capital to lowercase was a valuable edit. but maybe he was assuming in the future there would be two hostile government takeover pages. one for the song and other for real hostile government takeovers. this has not happened yet because those are currently referred to as coup d etats. In any case this edit was absolutely either jumping the gun or completely unnecessary. but I should have obeyed the warning that the hostile government takeover page already existed and that try to change that name to a different page so I could change the page back to it's original name. noone would ever search for the changed page names. however I really did think it was just a simple edit. for the original editor it was a simple edit because he was simply changing the page name. but changing it back is so much more complicated. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 08:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Are you getting a chatbot to write code to interact with the Wikipedia API? (Please don't.) (2) Why all the nonsense names? The multiple renames to nonsense names in quick succession look very suspicious (unconstructive at least). You still haven't explained yourself or provided any evidence that another editor is involved in these shenanigans. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 08:10, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

look I renamed the wikipedia articles to nonsense names. I agree that I did that. it was a mistake. the nonsense names were to indicate that the page was a dead page. I was trying to rename hostile government takeover which became a dead page and became redirected to Hostile government Takeover. the redirect temporarily removed the page from the wikipedia page which was done by a user at 10:30 pm california time.

I tried to rename Hostile government Takeover back to Hostile government takeover. I got an error saying the page already existed. I tried to change the name of the page hostile government takeover to something else so I could rename Hostile Government Takeover back to Hostile government takeover so it could be found by google again. unfortunately I didn't know what I was doing which lead to multiple pages with nonsense names. I'm glad i was blocked, but someone does need to get hostile government Takeover or whatever back in search results eventually. I'm not sure whose going to do that.

the chatbot logs were simply how I discovered the page had been changed. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 08:31, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

sorry it was originally found by google but the redirect disconnected it from the api. In order to remove the redirect I tried to rename the hostile government takeover page to a nonsense page so I could rename Hostile government Takeover back to Hostile government takeover and remove the redirect.

I tried to rename Hostile government Takeover back to Hostile government takeover. I got an error saying the page already existed. I tried to change the name of the page hostile government takeover to something else so I could rename Hostile Government Takeover back to Hostile government takeover so it could be found by google again. unfortunately I didn't know what I was doing which lead to multiple pages with nonsense names. I'm glad i was blocked, but someone does need to get hostile government Takeover or whatever back in search results eventually. I'm not sure whose going to do that. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 08:33, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 72 hours to prevent further vandalism, as you did at Hostile government takeover. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:06, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hostile Government Takeover moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Hostile Government Takeover (2). Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and they need to be solid independent reliable sources, not tiktok and the like. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did nothing wrong when I submitted the hostile government takeover. this seems to indicate the name change which would have been a reason for protecting the page from page edits in the future was malicious. there are 4 sources from reliable sources. 1 source that is not popular. 1 source is that from a moderately popular website being Distractify. This is just a witchhunt. you put up a page with less reliable sources and removed a page from Wikipedia that is reliable and then some. I labeled the other sources as important information but essentially as additional information. the 4 sources plus the 2 less known sources are more than enough to establish notability. This is wrong pure and simple. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 09:55, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The name change would not have been a reason to protect the article, and was not malicious; it was done to bring the article in line with the policy on article titles. If an existing Wikipedia article lacks reliable sources, you should try to improve it, tag it as having {{unreliable sources}}, or nominate it for deletion; what you should not do is use it as an argument for keeping something else. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hostile Government Takeover (2) (April 3)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sophisticatedevening was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

A lot of these sources are just a paragraph or two long, and then Youtube and Tiktok are cited (not reliable sources), so this isn't really showing the significant coverage needed to pass WP:NMUSIC.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Hostile Government Takeover (2) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 23:17, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

okay you are violating the approval of other reviewer and you are completely wrong. the sources that support notability are given significant coverage. the other sources are only used for prima facie information. this is completely biased and has no grounds. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 23:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are more than welcome to resubmit for another review if you are able to find improved sourcing to establish notability. Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 23:40, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cradleofcivilization! Having a draft can be disappointing. The cited reason is failure to meet the notability of music. Don't worry! You can find some sources that contribute to notability – reliable, independent sources that discuss the subject in depth – and add it to the article. I will be happy to review the draft once it is submitted for review. Hope that helps! ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:19, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

did you originally approve the article? and no I can't. I have 6 good sources and 1 source from john oliver. what more does the song have to do to get a wikipedia article there is nothing that can be done to improve it and that because it fails notability. 6 sources is more than most articles on wikipedia. but let's say for the sake of argument the deadline source wasn't in depth. It was but if it wasn't. the john oliver source could be used to provide depth. no there's nothing I can ToadetteEdit. I really wished you would have left an approval note instead of me failing to prove it by inference. I understand it's not your fault but having people that weren't you spread lies so blatantly was very upsetting Cradleofcivilization (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hostile government takeover (April 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by ToadetteEdit was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Also note that moving the draft multiple times without actual improvement is disruptive. Any more moves and I will request protection against moves. There is also a similar draft that was declined for the same reason.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Hostile government takeover and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:34, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toadette Edit did you deliberately not leave a review note so you could do this. well thank you that explains everything. it did show approved at the time but fine lie see if I care. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 06:39, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Setting the record straight

the article has enough sources for notability. most articles have around 6 sources. 4 of the sources are from credible sources. 1 of the sources is john oliver but I already have a source on john oliver so it would mainly matter if the deadline source wasn't in depth which it is. as far as the previous Hostile government takeover source I hope it makes through. unfortunately the excuse that it wouldn't be sourced well enough to meet the ideal of what wikipedia is supposed to be makes some sense. it's a good article but it only has 3 sources and it's not well cited. my article is well cited and does meet wikipedia's notability guidelines. however I can see that is the page that'd rather approve which is fine by me. However that source would require sources from my wikipedia page which hey if wikipedia was serious and not some conservative think tank I suppose my sources could be used to get their preferred page on wikipedia. I really don't care which article is used to publish hostile government takeover on wikipedia. It's just clearly an egregious oversight that hostile government takeover isn't on wikipedia. does it need a billion views. does it need every musician in the industry to remix it. because I really don't think it would matter. In fact moby did remix it but it's not a credible source as Id have to cite moby's tiktok itself which I guess isn't allowed. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 07:18, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you say that the article has enough sources to establish notability. But unfortunately I do not have time to analyse the sources. Maybe @Sophisticatedevening can give some input on the sources. And only 5 sources in the draft are reliable by the way. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:35, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I declined for a lack of notability for 2 reasons, 1 being that most of the sources given were only a paragraph or two long, which does not adequately describe the subject in depth to consider it significant coverage. The other reason is that a large amount of those sources were not considered reliable, among them being Tiktok and Youtube. When it comes to determining notability, the mere quantity of the sources is not enough. Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 12:27, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

none of the sources were a paragraph or two long. none of them were passing mentions. all of them were exclusively about the subject. in any case the article youre talking about the only article with even remotely a small amount of paragraphs had 4. It's possible you made a mistake and confused the distractify source with 4 paragraphs as all all the sources having 4 paragraphs or less but this is simply not the case. Also there are 4 sources that constitute notability. the john oliver source and the distractify and mandatory source which were republished by msn and yahoo entertainment. there are approximately 2 paragraphs covering the notable information. the last paragraph essentially mentions the view count and any legal disclaimers. there is no information in that article that isn't well sourced. just because I provide information for the original video does not mean it didn't have the sources necessary for notability. It did. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 12:50, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

none of the sources were a paragraph or two long. none of them were passing mentions. all of them were exclusively about the subject. in any case the article youre talking about the only article with even remotely a small amount of paragraphs had 4. It's possible you made a mistake and confused the distractify source with 4 paragraphs as all all the sources having 4 paragraphs or less but this is simply not the case. Also there are 4 sources daily dot billboard indy100 deadline that constitute notability. there were also other sources such as the john oliver source(covered the subject for a good 3 minutes but was extensively covered by the deadline source so it is not necessary) and the distractify and mandatory source which were republished by msn and yahoo entertainment. there are approximately 2 paragraphs covering the notable information. the last paragraph essentially mentions the view count and any legal disclaimers. there is no information in that article that isn't well sourced. just because I provide information for the original video does not mean it didn't have the sources necessary for notability. It did. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 12:53, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hostile government takeover (April 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by ToadetteEdit was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Please do not resubmit without actual improvement by adding reliable sources to prove notability. We have come to the point where the draft will most likely be rejected as non-notable.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Hostile government takeover and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your attempts to promote Draft:Hostile government takeover have been rather disruptive and if you resubmit or move the draft, then you will most likely be blocked for disruptive editing. You are simply wasting people's time, and if more time is wasted because of a pending review, there is no other option other than to bring the topic up for deletion so that it can be reviewed by the broader community. As said, you should add sources that contribute to notability. I might have made a mistake while reviewing the article while it was in the mainspace but that does not mean that the topic is notable for inclusion. Please listen and follow to other editors' feedback. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:32, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Hostile government takeover for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hostile government takeover is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hostile government takeover until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:49, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Hostile government takeover

A tag has been placed on Draft:Hostile government takeover requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

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Can you explain?

I saw that you filed a Move Review request concerning one of your efforts to move Hostile government takeover into article space. I was about to explain why you had made a good-faith error in trying to use Move Review for your purpose. However, in looking at your talk page, what I see does not look like the actions of a good-faith editor. I see that you have had 11 pages with titles composed by banging on a standard keyboard speedily deleted. I can't see the content of the deleted articles, but I see only two possible explanations. The first is vandalism, an effort to damage the encyclopedia. The second, which is still unfavorable, is that you were disrupting the encyclopedia to make a point.

I think that there are two loosely related questions. The first is whether there should be an article on the song Hostile government takeover. That will be decided by the deletion discussion, which is a correct forum for that decision. The second is whether you should be indefinitely blocked for not being here to contribute to the encyclopedia. Can you please explain why you created a large number of pages with noise titles, or is it time for a report to WP:ANI to request that you be banned? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:55, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

you are absolutely wrong so I will explain what happened. first all of the edits are deceptive. an editor made an innocent edit of changing the title to sentence case. simple enough. I tried to revert that move back to it's original page. it failed. I attempted to move Hostile Government Takeover to Hostile government takeover but it failed. I couldn't figure out what was going on so i changed the hostile government takeover at the time the page that linked to the redirect to a page with a nonsense name so it wouldn't be confused with another article. what I didn't realize is that everytime I made the change I created a new page. when cactus vandalized the page. I knew better than to make a mistake and move it back. that's what cactus wanted. I stayed calm and explained the situation. as far as toadetteedit it really did show the page was approved 8 days ago and it was even in the api as a result eventually until Cambridgeweather changed to sentence case which created a redirect that disconnected it from the api. if I kept my cool which I'll do from now on. I could of simply no index the original page and wait for the new page to become the canonical page. This posturing is quite wrong. The only thing that matters is whether the page deserves to stay on wikipedia. not my conduct which after repeatedly defaming me and putting me in impossible situations where I'm going to be accused of procedural errors I had nothing to do with. what your doing right now ultimately falls into the category of biased editing. I was originally going to be given a fair shake now your just falling for propaganda. yes I vandalized my page accidentally. I was simply trying to get it to link Hostile government takeover which was what it was in google. I really hate redirects they destroy the api. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 16:20, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That answer doesn't make any sense, you created 11 pages of nonsense that other editors had to clean up that you claim was from trying to revert a move. What "API" are you referring to? What is a "canonical page"? What do you mean by "falling for propaganda"? Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 16:29, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

okay that is true. I kept thinking I would be able to change Hostile Government Takeover to Hostile government takeover so I could remove the redirect and link to the page used in google search results. when there are no redirects wikipedia's api something that allows people to search through wikipedia using code allows the user to view pages on wikipedia from a few sentences long to paragraphs. it's just used to read wikipedia. the application program interface can't access wikipedia if there is a redirect for a page. most people don't care about it. but I think it's somewhat important. when you use no index on a page that now links to a redirect. the original page is matched in google but when you go to the page you get sent to the new page. if you want google to match the correct page. the canonical page you need to use no index on the original page to remove it from google search results. then you keep the original page as it is. In about 2 days the new page gets in google search results which was getting aggravating. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That still doesn't explain anything, why did you create those random nonsense pages? Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 16:50, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did it to do something impossible which i didn't know was impossible which was to revert Hostile Government Takeover back to Hostile government takeover. but no answer I give to you will be good enough. frankly I am happy I got banned when I did. I've been going through hell ever since that happened. I was just trying to replace the new page name with previous page name but page names on wikipedia are essentially permanent which I did not know. I'll say something and then youll say youre not listening. youre just covering up good points I made which won't be discovered because of this reply. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 17:02, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I paid dearly for that mistake more than cactus ever did and he was vandalizing someone else's page. I was trying to fix something on my own page and I was not aware that you couldn't revert edits. I believe the page was previously approved but admittedly I'll never be able to prove that. possibly the api working for the page temporarily proves it. I really didn't expect to see ToadetteEdit again. I was hoping to find a nice editor that wouldn't block for incomprehensible reasons. the bottom line is it does meet wikipedia's guidelines for noteworthiness but noone clicks on the sources. it may have too many sources but that's still ridiculous as there isn't any unsourced material in the article. every claim that is made is backed up by evidence. if there's nothing wrong with my article then I can't make it look like it's improving and therefore I fail from the get go. but the things your talking are absolutely biased editing. youre saying I hurt my own page to vandalize it and your solution is to destroy the page. the page would have been fine if it had not been deleted by LettersandNumbers although I realize I needed to be banned at the time and I'm thankful for that. as far as what happened I sent the draft to review hoping to eventually find a nice afc editor. There simply isn't anything to improve which puts me in a very tough position. if it started bad I could say I'm placating people and improve but that simply isn't possible. Cradleofcivilization (talk) 16:32, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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