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Split the article into phases?

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Since the fall of the Assad regime, it seems the current phase of the civil war is distinct enough from the prior phase to warrant a split. Many other civil wars have been split as to make articles shorter and to present information that is relevant to the current state of the wars so that information about previous phases won't confuse the reader. Examples are Yemeni civil war (2014–present), Myanmar civil war (2021–present), Somali Civil War (2009–present), Sudanese civil war (2023–present), and M23 campaign (2022–present). I propose that a new article be made called Syrian civil war (2024-present) or Syrian civil war (2025-present) (depending on if we count the part of December or not). Alternatively, there could be an article for Syrian civil war (2011-2024), but that may give the impression that consensus says it ended. Sir Ross ★▀▀ (talk) 13:55, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It cant be called a civil war now. Its just the Assadist Insurgency. DitorWiki (talk) 16:23, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not trying to open up another discussion about the civil war being over. Based off of the lack of consensus in the closed discussion at the top of the page, I am suggesting this assuming there is to be no change in the status of the war being "ongoing". If you want to reopen that debate, then make a new topic. Sir Ross ★▀▀ (talk) 14:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with this proposal; Those articles that you've listed (not including the Somali civil war article) aren't placing those dates in a way to mark a second phase of those wars, but are instead disambiguating those articles from other articles about previous civil wars that share the same name 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:03, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the proposal, there is no reason to split the page. Sub-pages can be created for further detail, but that's already happened with each campaign. --Plumber (talk) 06:07, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Split article

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Considering the previous discussions on this topic, it's fair to say the war in Syria has taken a completely different character now. I would advise it because split into a 2011-2024 article and a 2025-present article on continued instability, like with the Iraq War and Libyan conflict articles Fantastic Mr. Fox 13:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Until there is a source based consensus that the civil war is over, what is still happening is still part of the civil war. At the least, what is still happening is part of the aftermath. We might split-off/spin-off an article to capture ongoing events if and when already existing sub-articles do not effectively capture what is ongoing. However, a "split" as described is not reasonable (at least at this time). WP:THEREISNORUSH. Cinderella157 (talk) 09:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In all fairness, I don’t think anyone can really expect much if any more discussions about the status of the Syrian Civil War from media, academics, or other institutes. I think it’s fair to say all media and institutes have either directly or implicitly decided the war’s over; otherwise we would be able to find a source in 2025 discussing the status of Syria’s Civil War. Such a source does not exist. Even regarding current violence in Syria, no news article or paper discussing the events has ever described it as part of the Syrian Civil War. (At least with the sources I have read from users claiming the war is on going) GNorman1987 (talk) 13:29, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On what are basing this? I don't know any expert source which has described the conflict as done; a lack of mentioning is not proof of anything. It's not like every news article of previous years mentioned the exact details of the civil war when talking about Syria. Applodion (talk) 21:42, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, I’ve been tracking this civil war for years and it was very common to see the words ”Syrian Civil War” in past publications regarding fighting in Syria. But now in 2025, I am yet to see that trend continue, and it’s not a coincidence. It’s matter of logic anyway, in 2014-2023, we had the SAA, the SNA, the SFA, ISIL, SDF, and HTS as combatant factions competing for territory. Today, none of these exist anymore, at least with a hold on Syrian territory; all have been enveloped into the Syrian Army or no longer exist. The only actual fighting occurring at this moment is with Druze fighters, and the hostilities with them and the government only existed after the Assad regime collapsed. If we don’t change the status of the article now I don’t think we ever will because all the information we need to make a conclusion already exists. The only people still denying the war is over is Wikipedia commentators. GNorman1987 (talk) 00:58, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, then please provide a reliable source by a regional expert which has stated that the civil war is done (not just news articles which usually rush out premature commentary). Applodion (talk) 20:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think the war started at 15 March 2011

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15 March 2011 is when the Arab spring protests began. Sure they are a prelude, but first there were violent protesters, before the protests got so bad that in around June-July 2012, it was considered a civil war. But before then there were just violent protesters, and nobody really considered it a civil war until the declaration, because around this point, the protesters were so violent that they formed their own Miltia, starting the war. So it’s better to put the start at when the declaration was set. Datawikiperson (talk) 13:06, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

sources? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 14:06, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18417952 Datawikiperson (talk) 14:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At this point it's stupid to not say the war is over

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with the US lifting sanctions and with the international recognition of the new Syrian goverment there's no point of saying the war is ongoing and i suggest 3 things here: 1-the end of the war can be put at 8/12/2024.

2-we can keep the de-facto map but simply say the war is over.

3-make a seperate article about insurgencies following the liberation. 94.47.37.166 (talk) 09:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the war didn't end on 8/12/2024. Bashar fell on that date, but there was still fighting after that date 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 10:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
also see Talk:Syrian civil war#c-Applodion-20250512200800-GNorman1987-20250512005800 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 10:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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