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In order for it to be a conspiracy the conspiracy suggestions are needed. From what I have read - I haven't seen any suggestion of a conspiracy. Therefore - it's just a thoery or rumor at worst. But definetly no a conspiracy theory. Norbert427 (talk) 17:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. For example, there are people who said Obama's birth certificate was forged. Yet officials from the State of Hawaii repeatedly have said it is genuine. If the officials are lying, they are in on the conspiracy; if the officials have been duped, there was a conspiracy to insert a false document into Hawaii's records (Obama could not have done it alone); if his parents lied about his place of birth, they conspired; etc. Weazie (talk) 22:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this edit, I removed most of the external links. The links are largely either already used as sources in the article, or otherwise unfit for inclusion due to reliability and usefulness concerns. The list remains archived in this article's history. Wrackingtalk!20:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Salon staff writer's feelings mentioned inappropriately
In the section dedicated to Joe Arpaio, the irrelevant feelings of a random staff writer from Salon; Alex Pareene, are mentioned: "I think we have long since passed the point at which I'd find this story believable in a fictional setting."
This is unnecessary/misplaced as it does not pertain specifically to Joe Arpaio but to how this writer feels about the birther conspiracy theory in general.
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