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LGBTQ representation in country music
[edit]New stub at LGBTQ representation in country music, if any project members are interested in helping to expand. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:07, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sounds like a really good article and an important one. Ethel Cain might fall into country too? There's also former bands like Lavender Country (also see here). Anyway, just doing a quick search, some articles about LGBTQ+ country singers and allies from Wide Open Country (see here and here), and similar articles from Out Magazine (see here), Pride.com (see here), Queerty (see here), Diva (magazine) (see here), SGN (see here) and The Boot (see here) along with...
- Meet the queer vanguard of country music by CNN
- How Queer Country Artists Are Creating Space For Inclusive Stories In The Genre by The Grammys
- Country Music Has Never Been More Gay in Rolling Stone
- Why Country Music Was (Finally) Ready to Come Out in Rolling Stone
- How to Be Queer in Country Music: The Story of Mya Byrne in The Advocate (magazine)
- Masked Singer Orville Peck on Being Openly Gay in Country Music: ‘We’ve Always Been There’ in Variety (magazine)
- An LGBT Earthquake Is Happening in Country Music in The Advocate (magazine)
- A New Frontier: How Country Music Is Openly Embracing the LGBTQ Community in the Modern Age in Billboard (magazine)
- Lesbian Country Singer Chely Wright Begs Genre to 'Condemn Bigoted Laws' in The Advocate (magazine)
- Country Artists Condemn LGBT Laws, But Labels Remain Silent in The Hollywood Reporter
- Gay country star cancels show amid anti-LGBTQ protests, Kelsea Ballerini and Maren Morris voice support in Entertainment Weekly
- Country music has uneven response to anti-gay laws in CBS News
- Meet four queer artists helping to shake up country music in NBC News
- LGBTQ+ country singers on 'breaking down the system,' increasing visibility in genre in ABC News
- 2014 Will Be Remembered as the Year of LGBT Rights in Country Music in Mic.com
- Dixon Dallas Talks About His Viral Gay Country Song That You Have to Hear to Believe in The Advocate (magazine)
- A Not-At-All Exhaustive LGBTQIA+ Country Playlist by NPR News
- Orville Peck proves that country and punk are more alike than you think in Alternative Press
- For gay country singers, it was time to face the music in NBC News
- T.J. Osborne Made People Proud This Week. I Worry Morgan Wallen Did, Too. in Esquire (magazine)
- Country Music’s New Leaders Struggle to Get on Right Side of History in Variety (magazine)
- Kacey Musgraves Is A Queer Country Fan's Dream in Them (website)
- Kacey Musgraves on Her 'Fight' for the LGBTQ+ Community to 'Be Included' in Country Music in People (magazine)
- Kacey Musgraves Wants Country Music to Include LGBT Fans in Popculture.com
- The story of queer country music – and its message of hope in BBC News
- Country Music's LGBT Allies in Entertainment Tonight
- Country Entertainers Who Support LGBT Equality in The Advocate (magazine)
- Country music is at a crossroads. Two of its most viral songs show why in CNN
- CMT's Cody Alan: It's OK to be gay in the country music world in The Tennessean
- Meet the country music’s LGBT avant-garde in Illustrate Magazine
- The gay songwriters who secretly ruled the country charts are ready for the spotlight in Mic.com
- Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter collaborator Tanner Adell comes out as pansexual in PinkNews (possibly relevant)
- Late country music singer Toby Keith expressed support for gay marriage in PinkNews (possibly relevant)
- Nashville singers band together in support of LGBTQ rights. in Washington Post
- A whole section of Out Magazine on "gay country singer[s]" (there may be some good articles there)
- a site called "Country Queer" which has many articles about queerness in country music
- There's also academic articles too...
- You’re My Country Music in Journal of Popular Music Studies
- Object Of Your Rejection: The Symbolic Annihilation And Recuperation Of Queer Identities In Country Music an entire thesis!
- Politely Different: Queer Presence in Country Dancing and Music within a book by Cambridge University Press
- Review: Queer Country, by Shana Goldin-Perschbacher in Journal of Popular Music Studies
- Introduction: Uncharted Country: New Voices and Perspectives in Country Music Studies (small mention) in Journal of Popular Music Studies
- Dolly Parton's Mythologised Persona, Collective Life Writing, and Building a Home for LGBTQ+ Listeners in Country Music in Persona
- Queering Country Music Autobiography: Chely Wright's "Like Me" and the Performance of Authenticity in Studies in Popular Culture
- “Jolene,” Genre, and the Everyday Homoerotics of Country Music: Dolly Parton’s Loving Address of the Other Woman in Women & Music Volume 19
- And books entitled
- "Rednecks, Queers, and Country Music", some of which can be read on Google Books [this book is also partially analyzed in this thesis ]
- "Queer Country", which can be partially read on Google Books
- I hope this all helps! Historyday01 (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! I will copy this over to the talk page. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
Similarly, I've just started LGBTQ representation in jazz. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:37, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Sub-referencing: User testing
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Disagreement on which pronouns to use for this 17 year old, please join Talk:Raegan_Revord#Raegan_is_not_non-binary if you have an opinion. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:44, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
Trump HHS report
[edit]Can someone get the page started on the Trump HHS report? I'd do it but it's crunch time at work Snokalok (talk) 15:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't even know what we'd call it, the report is just titled "Treatment for Pediatric
- Gender Dysphoria" Snokalok (talk) 15:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Tagging some editors whom I would love to hear from on this
- @Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist
- @Lewisguile
- @DanielRigal
- @LokiTheLiar
- @LunaHasArrived
- Snokalok (talk) 16:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Based on the number of headlines which insist on Trump's HHS, let's start with Trump HHS gender dysphoria report and consider renaming to Treatment for Pediatric Gender Dysphoria. –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (talk • stalk) 16:32, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure why but this didn't actually notify me. Honestly speaking, as always, I think it's best to have the barest of details untill appropriate rs start to report on this. LunaHasArrived (talk) 16:50, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Started Treatment for Pediatric Gender Dysphoria Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 16:42, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! The naming seems fine for now. Lewisguile (talk) 07:15, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
Discussion at For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers
[edit]There is currently a discussion[1] about the UK supreme court case For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers on whether we should include the fact that no transgender people or organizations were heard from (reported in multiple RS). That had been in the article the last few days and has recently been removed. Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 20:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
Looking for help wording a DYK about the arrest of transgender woman under Florida's bathroom ban
[edit]Dear all
We are working on a hook for Template:Did you know nominations/Arrest of Marcy Rheintgen and would like some feedback on the phrasing. Currently I have suggested
- did you know that Marcy Rheintgen was arrested and jailed in a Florida men's prison for washing her hands in a women's bathroom while being transgender?
Another user has suggested something else which I think may have issues. I would really appreciate people with knowledge to give suggestions for accurate and approriate language for this hook (on the hook discussion page, not here).
Thanks so much
. John Cummings (talk) 21:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
Celina Jaitly
[edit]I have recently re-added material about Celina Jaitly's support for LGBTQ rights in India; it can be seen at this section, with clear sources. The similar material (mentioning her activism) already existed in the article but was removed some years ago, supposedly due to unreliable sourcing. Anyway, project members are invited to help improve the section, by further expanding it and possibly adding more sources. Your help would be very appreciated. Cheers! — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 14:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
AFD for Trans Safety Network
[edit]There is currently a deletion discussion happening at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trans Safety Network (2nd nomination) that may be of interest for people here. LunaHasArrived (talk) 15:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
Indigenous drag performers
[edit]Collaboration welcome at the newly created Indigenous drag performers.
Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
RfC at Adult human female
[edit]There is an RfC at Talk:Adult human female § The rhetorical question "what is a woman?" which may interest this project. The question is whether or not the article should introduce "What is a woman?" as a rhetorical question. –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (talk • stalk) 15:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
Unofficial RFC re: Nick Walker (scholar): Resolved
[edit]Hi all! I have an unofficial RFC regarding pronouns at Nick Walker (scholar). Walker previously provided statements preferring the use of she/her pronouns. However, in January 2025, Walker made back-to-back posts on Bluesky, first stating a return to he/him pronouns professionally, then stating a continuance of she/her pronouns professionally. I have done a quick search of Walker's website ([2]) and social media but haven't found a stated preference listed. Feedback would be appreciated. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- I want to jump in and state that this issue is resolved as I misread Walker's posts, which seemed contradictory. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:12, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
Help before starting on a draft
[edit]I'm thinking about working on a draft for Mas(s)oud El Amaratly. Unfortunately sourcing is really difficult to find. There's an Arabic wiki page but it's pretty much unreferenced. Does anyone have an idea of where I could find more reliable sources for a subject like this? Google is failing me. Takweer seems to be pretty much the only substantial English source.
Sources I've found so far:
https://farhatartmuseum.org/marshes-of-iraq/
"Masoud El Amaratly, The Folk Music Icon from Iraq’s Marshes" : 22 minute video? maybe just his music
https://ajammc.com/2023/06/26/iraq-trans-history-masoud-amaratly/
"The following post was written by Marwan Kaabour, a London-based, Beirut-born multidisciplinary artist and designer in the art and cultural sector. He is the founder of Takweer, a platform that explores and archives queer narratives in Arab history and popular culture."
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29702694
"The BL's curators are also writing contextual features, to help interpret the wealth of material and highlight unique stories from the archive - such as the tale of Massoud El Amaratly.
Born female in southern Iraq in the early 20th Century, El Amaratly identified as male, and became famous in Baghdad in the 1920s for his distinctive renditions of rural folk songs, external. The BL has several recordings, and has brought in ethnomusicologist Rolf Killius to curate a unique digital Gulf music archive that also includes such rarities as traditional pearl-divers' sea shanties."
https://digital.newint.com.au/issues/52/articles/891
"There are examples of Caliphs who had male partners, like Muhammed al Amin. In modern history we had singers, actors, trans people, like female-to-male Masoud al Amaratly, a singer popular in the 1920s. Under King Faisal we had a secular, open society. We were one of the first Arab countries to have women ambassadors and a liberal civil code."
Arabic wiki page:
I think he's mentioned in this book:
https://manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9781526192707/ Sock-the-guy (talk) 20:33, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have just been informed by the wiki gods that I'm eligible for the wikipedia library Sock-the-guy (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
Discrimination article
[edit]Discrimination against LGBTQ people has been recently expanded from a disambiguation page into a broad-concept article and could benefit from additional eyes. fgnievinski (talk) 05:37, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Nancy Pelosi
[edit]Nancy Pelosi has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 03:19, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Curious why you're posting about the assessment of a straight cis woman's article in this WikiProject? (I'm a queer trans resident of Pelosi's district FWIW.) Funcrunch (talk) 17:57, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm missing the point of your question, but it's customary to notify WikiProjects when an article within scope is listed for GAR. Her article is included in the project (presumably because of her work on LGBT-related legislation). Urve (talk) 23:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- I know about the customs regarding notifying WikiProjects (having done so numerous times myself); I was just curious why this particular article was considered in scope. Quite a few politicians have worked on LGBT-related legislation, but I suppose Pelosi is one of the more prominent ones. Funcrunch (talk) 00:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- It's an interesting question that might be worth further discussion by the project at some point. I think there's a place for Pelosi, Kylie Minogue, Cher, and other similarly-situated people within the ambit of "LGBTQ+ Studies", but it does sometimes result in notifications regarding non-LGBT people. Our alerts page, for instance, notifies us of a discussion re sexual anomaly and a nomination about the blue Gucci dress of Harry Styles, and we routinely get notified about drag. Whether that is actually desirable or not may be worth revisiting at some point. Urve (talk) 16:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know much about Kylie, but I could see a stronger case for a notice about Cher since she's considered a gay icon and has a trans son. Funcrunch (talk) 16:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Reviewing articles to confirm they match our expectations for scope is definitely a good thing. I regularly review the newly assessed articles at WP:LGBTQ+/Quality, and articles with little to no LGBTQ+ content get added near-daily. Generally what I look for is at least a paragraph of content clearly on-topic, though of course that is a standard we could discuss. WP:LGBTQ+/Scope has more detail.--Trystan (talk) 13:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know much about Kylie, but I could see a stronger case for a notice about Cher since she's considered a gay icon and has a trans son. Funcrunch (talk) 16:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- It's an interesting question that might be worth further discussion by the project at some point. I think there's a place for Pelosi, Kylie Minogue, Cher, and other similarly-situated people within the ambit of "LGBTQ+ Studies", but it does sometimes result in notifications regarding non-LGBT people. Our alerts page, for instance, notifies us of a discussion re sexual anomaly and a nomination about the blue Gucci dress of Harry Styles, and we routinely get notified about drag. Whether that is actually desirable or not may be worth revisiting at some point. Urve (talk) 16:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I know about the customs regarding notifying WikiProjects (having done so numerous times myself); I was just curious why this particular article was considered in scope. Quite a few politicians have worked on LGBT-related legislation, but I suppose Pelosi is one of the more prominent ones. Funcrunch (talk) 00:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm missing the point of your question, but it's customary to notify WikiProjects when an article within scope is listed for GAR. Her article is included in the project (presumably because of her work on LGBT-related legislation). Urve (talk) 23:47, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
Discussion on Juno Dawson's deadname prominence
[edit]I removed Juno Dawson's deadname from the lead and infobox of her biography the other day, due to what I thought was WP:UNDUE prominence, and my edit was reverted overnight. I've reopened the appropriate thread on her Talk: page on the subject and people here might have thoughts that you could usefully contribute.
(A reminder that the policy on gendered terms and deadnames in biography articles is summarised at MOS:DEADNAME and some best practices information can be found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity. A talk: page discussion is not the appropriate place to propose significant changes to policy and the the discussion will likely be more constructive if people have re-read the policy before commenting.) — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 12:00, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Move discussion at Miss Star International
[edit]of interest to this project is taking place here. —Fortuna, imperatrix 09:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:LGBTQ Roman emperors
[edit]Category:LGBTQ Roman emperors was systematically emptied on May 8. An editor attempted to revert the emptying on May 19, but by then the category had already been deleted due to being empty. I believe the appropriate process would have been for the category to be taken to WP:CFD so the merits could be properly discussed, rather than manually blanking it. Does anyone know if there is a way to pursue that now that it has been deleted, or is too late?--Trystan (talk) 00:18, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Sexual diversity#Requested move 23 May 2025
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sexual diversity#Requested move 23 May 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. LIrala (talk) 05:39, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Recently added they/them on her confirmed instagram account.[3] Because of that, should we remove Wikipedia:WikiProject Women from Talk:Raegan Revord? If you have an opinion, please join the discussion at Talk:Raegan_Revord#Gendered_categories_and_wikiprojects. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
Possibly incorrect information about intersex rights in Africa
[edit]Hello, I've been working on an article for the Spanish Wikipedia and I've come across two possible mistakes about legislation.
Kenya
[edit]In Intersex rights in Kenya it states that intersex people have no protection against discrimination. However, there is a [bill https://www.knchr.org/Portals/0/Intersex%20Persons%20Bill%2C%20January%202024%20.pdf] that I feel does protect them, but I have no idea how to check if it's in force.
Uganda
[edit]In Intersex rights in Uganda I'm pretty sure I found a serious mistake or very ambiguous writing.
It says: The Registration of Persons Act 2015 allows for the registration of a child born a "hermaphrodite", and for change of name and change of sex classification.
However, the pertinent law doesnt permit to register a child as a third gender called hermaphrodite, it just allows to quickly change the gender of a baby after their body has been non-consensually altered by a doctor.
However since I'm not an expert in law and English is not my first language, I'm requesting a second opinion before doing any changes. Wikidasher (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Re: Kenya, did the bill pass? A quick search does not reveal anything to me. If it did, we may still need a secondary source to confirm that your interpretation is correct. (If you haven't come across it, WP:OR may be useful reading for editing in legal subjects.) Re: Uganda, my reading of the relevant law is that there is a kind of registration but that 'hermaphrodite' is not a registerable sex. So, I agree with your understanding. Our article should clarify the issue. Urve (talk) 19:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'll reword Uganda's sentence. Thanks, Urve and Fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four. I'll wait to see if someone here is familliar enough with law to know whether Kenya's law is in force. Wikidasher (talk) 07:49, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

The article Charles Casillo has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.
If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Bearian (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- The article currently has references, and thus the BLPROD is addressed and hs been removed. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 01:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for Save Our Children
[edit]Save Our Children has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)
Drag pageantry
[edit]Drag pageantry could use the attention from some experienced editors. I have been arguing that the page should not include these long lists of unsourced winnders & runners up of pageants. Some have their own articles, so perhaps these lists could go there, but others don't appear notable in themselves. Wikipedia isn't a directory or place to archive the results from these events, and I've tried to create a version that is more aligned with policy. There are two (relatively inexperienced) editors who disagree, and I fear they aren't making valid policy-based arguments, but I don't want to escelate an edit war. Do other's want to chime in at Talk:Drag_pageantry#Unsourced_collection_of_random_results? --ZimZalaBim talk 12:21, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
Please re-assess this. Is it a B-Class yet? Is it high importance? Bearian (talk) 01:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Project-Class LGBTQ+ studies pages
- WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies articles
- NA-Class Gender studies pages
- NA-importance Gender studies pages
- WikiProject Gender studies articles
- Project-Class Sexology and sexuality pages
- NA-importance Sexology and sexuality pages
- WikiProject Sexology and sexuality articles
- Wikipedia pages with to-do lists