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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

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  1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
    1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
    2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
    3. Have at least 4 participants.
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    1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
    2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
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The following link represent all current Level 5 Vital articles that are classified as History and Geography subjects:

Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/History
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Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Cities

Add Auxiliary_sciences_of_history topics

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PARTIAL PASS
Fleur-de-lis and Trident added 4-0
Star relisted 3-1
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Since Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/History is under quota at 3266/3300, I nominate Fleur-de-lis, Trident and Star (heraldry) for their importance in Heraldry  4 and Vexillology  5 for listing in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/History#Auxiliary_sciences_of_history.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I belatedly added Trident after first placing it in Technology for its military and farming/hunting history. However, its symbolism for deities, superheros, corporations, athletic institutions, and military forces is probably even more vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support, we have the room for now. Long run, if we list them primarily as symbols, I wonder if they belong somewhere with Culture. But let's not worry about that just yet. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:01, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Mixed
  1. Support first two; oppose Star. J947 ‡ edits 00:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Operation Paperclip  5

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Operation paperclip was a program at the end of WWII where the United States brought NAZI scientists to the United States. Wernher von Braun  4 was one individual brought to the U.S. through this program. Check the "Advancements in aeronautics" of the article if you need to see why this was vital to the history of the technology.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, after some thought, we're still filling in the section. We can worry about over-representation of WWII later. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't really think of this as WWII, this is a major part of the history of the United States space program. It is a Swords to ploughshares situation, coming out of the ashes of WWII, but I think of it more as part of the post war period then the war itself. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:17, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. J947 ‡ edits 00:24, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add some notable land routes -> phys geo

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I originally had this idea from the proposal to add the Badakhshan  5 region of Central Asia. Would presumably go under Physical Geography. Also, for precedent, we do already list the Darién Gap  5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add the Safed Koh mountains

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AKA the White Mountains, not a pass, but the specific mountain subrange the Khyber Pass traverses. We actually don't list it though so may as well toss it out there now.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:20, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Weakly: less than 1,000 monthly pageviews. J947 ‡ edits 00:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add the Wakhan Corridor

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Technically a region of Afghanistan, and apparently never a primary link in the Silk Road  3, but this contains the only feasible direct link between modern-day Afghanistan and China.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Easily. J947 ‡ edits 00:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add the Fulda Gap

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Leaving Central Asia and moving to Central Europe, this may not have been as notable until more recently, but it has historical importance particularly related to Cold War military planning.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add the Suwałki Gap

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Another land pass between modern-day Poland and Lithuania, relevant to contemporary geopolitics. Also historically a common route for military maneuvers in the area.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:54, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Kurashiki

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Suburb of Okayama  5. Compare Remove Wolverhampton or Remove Gelsenkirchen and Oberhausen.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not a big fan of having sub-regions of cities included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. J947 ‡ edits 00:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Funabashi  5

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Suburb of Tokyo  3 well-integrated with the capital via public transport.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not a big fan of having sub-regions of cities included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Has 640,000 people pbp 10:29, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weakly, per pbp. J947 ‡ edits 00:41, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Besides pbp's point about population, I'll have to think a bit more about how these relate to other suburbs, or non-suburbs in general. I'm guessing we'll want to trim the Cities section more; that probably means being a little systematic though. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Same question as Espoo near by.... At level 4 we list both Rotterdam and The Hague which are kind of in the same metro area, and Google says they are around 24 km apart, closer than this to Tokyo, which Google says they are 36 km apart. We also list London at level 3, then City of London and City of Westminster at level 5. If we are to discus whether these suburb/close-by-cities of other cities are vital or not, I think the discussion needs to be more thorough than "close to, or within, another city" as some almost identical cases exist and are not brought up and are almost given a free pass. Especially if we list all of New York Boroughs... Also we list Wall Street at level 5 which is about an individual street as well as New York Stock Exchange, which is about the financial topics at level 4, Central Park at level 4 and Manhattan at 5.  Carlwev  19:21, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add several cartography concepts

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Digital elevation model

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These are 3D computer graphics representation of elevation data to represent terrain or overlaying objects, commonly of a planet, moon, or asteroid. Widely used in cartography and spatial analysis. They are often generated with Radar, LiDAR, or photogrammetry.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 12:00, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Shuttle Radar Topography Mission  5

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From the lede "The Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM) is an international research effort that obtained digital elevation models on a near-global scale from 56°S to 60°N, to generate the most complete high-resolution digital topographic database of Earth prior to the release of the ASTER GDEM in 2009." The space shuttle basically took a Radar photo of large sections of the planet. We still use these products widely today. Could also go under STEM but I thought I'd propose it here first.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it has a highly-technical back-story. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 21:18, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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ArcGIS

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Most commonly used GIS software in the United States. Widely used in the creation of maps.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it's a technical product. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Changing to oppose, I think Geographic information system  5 is enough. I'd rather list all computer software on the Technology page. Makkool (talk) 09:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Don't think this is quite on the same level as others at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Specific_software. J947 ‡ edits 00:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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QGIS

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Widely used open source GIS software.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it's a technical product. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Changing to oppose, I think Geographic information system  5 is enough. I'd rather list all computer software on the Technology page. Makkool (talk) 09:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. J947 ‡ edits 00:46, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Choropleth map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They show statistical data aggregated over predefined regions, such as countries or states, by coloring or shading these regions.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. This kind of map is used everywhere; good for a vital article. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:54, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. J947 ‡ edits 00:48, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Proportional symbol map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They use point symbols of different sizes (height, length, area, or volume) to represent quantitative statistical values associated with different areas or locations within the map.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 16:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. We list a grand total of 5 types of charts at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Mathematics#Statistics_and_probability. There's already 5 types of maps listed. These are a step below those, and I can't see how they're anything other than VA6. J947 ‡ edits 00:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Dot distribution map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They place small point symbols over a given space to indicate the distribution of a given phenomenon.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. J947 ‡ edits 00:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Flow map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They use line symbols to portray movement or relationship between two or more places, such as air travel, monetary aid, or economic trade.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. J947 ‡ edits 00:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Islamist insurgency in Burkina Faso

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Coming up to ten years since this began. According to the article around 40% of the country is controlled by Jihadist forces leading to the displacement of over 2 million people and the deaths of at least 10,000 civilians and combatants. See also Template:Campaignbox Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso for the long list of related articles.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, history still has the room / cushion. We can revisit for recency issues more systematically later. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    r/historymemes has a "20 year rule" for what is allowed. Perhaps some similar guideline could be suggested to avoid recency debates. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Also I would add that for two years it has been the "world's most neglected crisis" according to the NRC. Sahaib (talk) 17:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Jebel Akhdar War and Dhofar War

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After Sahaib noticed we don't include the North Yemen civil war  5, that got me wondering about Oman next door. Sure enough, we're missing both the Jebel Akhdar War and Dhofar War  5.

Both during the Cold War, these 2 wars are arguably what created the modern state of Oman and also demonstrate a lot of foreign skullduggery. Prior to these wars, the Sultanate of Oman was largely a colonial and coastal affair, with the Oman interior controlled for over a millennium by an effectively independent, elected imamate.

As for space, History is just about at the quota, but we have a 2% cushion so I'm just going to propose these as straight additions.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. I'll go through history a bit and see if anything jumps out for a removal proposal as well. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Dhofar only. The other one doesn't have enough interwikis. The JA War also resulted in less than 1,000 killed; less than loads of battles and offensives we DON'T have pbp 05:54, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, though TBF we list a lot of things that killed way fewer people too. Not trying to change your mind, but like I said above, it's more notable for the level of Cold War intrigue and how completely it reshaped the political map of Oman, which is a country with some pull. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:51, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support Jebel Akhdar War. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I've added the Dhofar war to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lophotrochozoa (talk • contribs) 19:24, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two River additions

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Add Churchill River (Atlantic)

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Different from Churchill River (Hudson Bay)  5. Largest river in Atlantic Canada  5 and likely of importance to the region.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Phys Geo is still under quota so no need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Lerma River

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Large river in Mexico that seems to be of pretty good importance. Empties into Lake Chapala  5. Would maybe make a good addition to a subsection which currently only has one article (Rivers > Mexico and Central America).

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Phys Geo is still under quota so no need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Labrador

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1/2 of Newfoundland and Labrador  5, along with Newfoundland (island)  4. Though sparsely populated, the region of Labrador is of importance and should be recognized as VA. Part of the Labrador Peninsula  5.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Countries/Regions are under-quota (and should still be if our lists + quota cut works). No need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. '<Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. I think there's already sufficient coverage of this area – the human geo stuff is covered in Newfoundland and Labrador, and the physical geo stuff is covered in Labrador Peninsula. With a population of only 27,000, Labrador doesn't command its own article at VA5 in my opinion. J947 ‡ edits 22:09, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @J947 just a suggestion to at least make some additions to the under-quota category. There is more specific history related to Labrador that isn't covered in the NL&L and peninsula articles. B3251(talk) 13:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This page is about to be filled up with some important African and Asian first-level subdivisions, so we don't need to list this redundant area. Listing the peninsula is enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:15, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per QuicoleJR. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:22, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Isthmus of Chignecto

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Connects Nova Scotia  5, a peninsula province, to the mainland New Brunswick  5. Lots of history from back during the Acadia  5 days (see Raid on Chignecto (1696) & Battle at Chignecto, as well as the Battle of Fort Beauséjour for example), and is extremely vital for transportation between the two provinces. This has been highlighted more recently due to the largely low elevated land on the isthmus which has been prone to flooding.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Phys Geo is still under quota so no need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 13:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Hadhramaut

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Region in Oman, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Related articles include Kingdom of Hadhramaut, Hadhramaut Governorate, Hadramautic language, Hadhrami Arabic and Hadharem.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 21:42, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, important plus Countries/Regions are under-quota (and should still be if our lists + quota cut works). No need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:21, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Deir ez-Zor

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Because this city is the largest in Eastern Syria, and was the final destination of the deportees of the Armenian genocide, it is no doubt vital at this level. RekishiEJ (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 15:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, I get the feeling we'll try to trim Cities more soon, but this is a decent singular addition. Also larger than Manbij  5, which we already list, and notable as a frontline during the civil war. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Seems important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Guernsey for Bailiwick of Guernsey

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Bailiwick of Guernsey is more broader as it includes Alderney and Sark which are not listed.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 07:56, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Mixed
  1. Oppose removal, support addition. No need to overcomplicate it. I think we're still under quota in Phys Geo where the island is listed, and should have room for the polity in Countries/Regions, regardless of whether the bulk list-removal goes through. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support addition: we should keep Guernsey in Islands and add Bailiwick of Guernsey to Regions and country subdivisions Makkool (talk) 16:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support addition, oppose removal per Zar2gar1 and Makkool. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 21:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Windscale fire

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I would nominate Windscale fire it was a Nuclear Accident in the United Kingdom.

Support
  1. 1keyhole (talk) 04:36, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, we're just about at quota now and trying to represent disasters a bit more came up recently. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:00, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Errr... so what? Not famous, just a local industrial accident. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add New World Order conspiracy theory (aka globalist conspiracy)

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Not as old or influential as the Jewish conspiracy above (and, indeed, derivative of same), but influential enough to contempoary politics and media (i.e. Alex Jones  5) to justify inclusion at this level. Again, bullshit, but influential bullshit.

Support
  1. pbp 18:07, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital enough based on language links (41). Sahaib (talk) 18:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sigh. I even know a person who belives in it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:10, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Oppose here, neutral if we can fit it under Culture somewhere. The idea has real effects, but since (I hope we'll all agree) it's a mythical meme, I don't really think History is the right place for it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:13, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

I don't know how many conspiracy theories we list, but I think there are extremely few that are actually vital. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since we already apparently list the parent Conspiracy theory  4 article in History for now, I won't get in the way of adding it. I've proposed moving that to Sociology on Lv4 though so my understanding is we'd move this one too, either before or after it passes. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Vilcabamba, Peru

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The so called "lost city of the Incas". Served as the capital of the Neo-Inca State from 1539 to 1572, the last refuge of the Inca Empire after the Spanish Conquest. Add to Historical cities.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support, especially since listing major historical cities seems less arbitrary to me than filtering contemporary ones. Also, for anyone swinging by, I just want to draw their attention again to the proposals up top, including one to add Pataliputra  5, the capital of the Maurya Empire  4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Seems very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add it where? Historical cities? pbp 22:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add regions in the Arabian Peninsula

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Historically the Arabian Peninsula has been divided into four regions. Currently we list three of them: Hejaz  4, Najd  4 and Eastern Arabia  4. I propose we add the remaining one, and a couple of other articles.

Add South Arabia

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Historical region located in the southern part of the peninsula, consisting of mainly modern day Yemen and parts of Oman and Saudi-Arabia. The only of the four main historical regions in the area we don't list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, and we definitely have the room now. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. J947 ‡ edits 06:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:11, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Al-Yamama

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Historical subregion, located in south-eastern Najd.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, and we definitely have the room now. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. J947 ‡ edits 06:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Tihamah

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Historical subregion, consisting of the western coast of Arabian Peninsula by the Red Sea. Located in the Hejaz region.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, and we definitely have the room now. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Thanks for these proposals. J947 ‡ edits 06:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Al-Ahsa Oasis

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A historical subregion, an oasis and a Unesco World Heritage Site, located in the Eastern Arabian region. Two of the largest cities of Saudi-Arabia are found within it. Not sure where to list this one, should it be in regions, oases in physical geography or World Heritage Sites? I'd suggest regions, but I can be open to other places as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:55, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, and personally, I'd probably put it with oases in Phys Geo. In the narrow sense, I think the historical region is still confined to the oasis and not that large (article says ~33 sq. mi.) In the wider sense, the corresponding article is probably the modern Al-Ahsa Governorate. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Probably oases. J947 ‡ edits 06:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Frisia

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Frisia; Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Geography/Countries#Germany. Good example of the sort of article we lack.

Support
  1. As nom. J947 ‡ edits 06:21, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

I don't dislike the idea, but would Frisians be better? Both/either would be OK, but Frisians is in more languages, has refs, more page views, looks like it gets more attention. (I am not opposing this, in fact I am considering supporting.)  Carlwev  01:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Frisians would belong to Culture/Ethnology. We have many pairs of a nation and their homeland, like Bengalis  5 and Bengal  5 for example. Makkool (talk) 14:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add German Bight

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German Bight; oceanic seas is an area where many (most?) of the articles at VA5 are also VA4. I think adding this sea is a decent idea looking towards making the VA5 makeup more balanced.

Support
  1. As nom. J947 ‡ edits 06:23, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:23, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Open proposals at top

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Hi everyone, we're doing a really good job of participating and moving things along on this page. Up at the top though, we still have several open proposals just shy of a clear margin. Whether you're swinging by regularly or once in a while, please consider voting if you aren't completely ambivalent. It's not just about keeping things flowing either, but also a matter of fairness to your fellow participants. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've bumped this notice to the bottom just to tap the sign once more. I think this section is at a manageable pace with new proposals, but there are still many near the top waiting on a 4th or 5th vote to decide things. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:01, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap the Central Lowlands and Southern Uplands with Fife

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The 32 Scottish council areas in order of population are:

The terms "Central Lowlands" and "Southern Uplands" are historical/geographical terms that are rarely used in everyday conversations which can be seen by the pageviews in which the terms "Central Belt" and "Greater Glasgow" get more pageviews. However, I believe it makes sense to swap them with Fife as it also includes the city of Dunfermline which is somewhat close to being vital as the de facto capital of the Kingdom of Scotland, as well as the important but not vital towns of Kirkcaldy, Glenrothes and St Andrews (the location of the University of St Andrews which is at level 5). All Ceremonial counties of England are already listed at level 5 with five of them having lower populations than that of Fife (Northumberland, Herefordshire, Isle of Wight, Rutland and the City of London), so population shouldn't be an issue. Fife also gets more pageviews than two of the English ceremonial counties previously mentioned (Herefordshire and Rutland) and so that also shouldn't be an issue.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 18:49, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:39, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Prussia (region)

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Another surprising omission. We have been having gaps in significant historical regions. East Prussia has more interwikis, but it seems to be more about the former province of Germany. That should better belong in History then? I think this article is the best one to include in Geography.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:07, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We list Prussia  4 and Kingdom of Prussia  5 but I think it's fine to be redundant here. Aurangzebra (talk) 19:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove Ras ben Sakka

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Northern most point of Africa - but only been designated in 2014 before which is was said to be another location? There is a monument the article is only a stub and only in 22 other languages, most of them are also stub, or few start class, There doesn't seem to be much there, there is not much to say about it. Not as significant as Africa's most southern point Cape Agulhas which is more significant to navigation as is sticks out more. Ras ben Sakka does not project that much out into the sea compared to the southern cape. Also for context - we do not list Africa's eastern or western most points Pointe des Almadies, or Ras Hafun. Also none of the four Extreme points of Asia are listed either.

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  15:27, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm having trouble understanding why Ras ben Sakka and Cape Angela are separate articles. One is the cape and the other is the tip of the cape? But they show the same landscape and monuments? Anyway, I agree with the reasoning above that this is not vital. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:13, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 09:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Solid rationale. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:11, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
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Remove 2007 Greensburg tornado or swap with 2011 Joplin tornado

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This is not to understate the impact that the 2007 Greensburg tornado had on the residents of Kiowa County, but it is a little odd that this is the only tornado listed in the entire Level 5 history section when it doesn't even rank among the 25 deadliest tornadoes in American history. It is notable in that it was the first tornado to be designated an EF5, but I think if we are going to include a tornado in this list--particularly in Contemporary section--then the 2011 Joplin tornado would be a better candidate given that it is currently the deadliest tornado of the 21st century and the second deadliest tornado of the contemporary (post WW2) period. As far as loss of life and financial damage inflicted, the 2011 Joplin tornado was more destructive than the 2007 Greensburg tornado by an order of magnitude. Or maybe the 1925 tri-state tornado or Daulatpur-Saturia tornado would be better candidates for elsewhere in Level 5, given that they were much deadlier than either Greensburg or Joplin. Bcbroughton (talk) 00:02, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add archaelogical cultures

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One thing I've noticed is that we have omitted archaelogical cultures from the vital articles list, and many topics of Archaeology in general. For starters, I'll propose a couple of cultures that seem most important to a non-expert.

Add Bell Beaker culture

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A Western and Central European Bronze Age culture with a wide influence which shaped the continent for several centuries.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:47, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. We should have more of these. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3.  Carlwev  10:53, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Yamnaya culture

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An archaelogical culture related to the expansion of the Indoeuropean languages around Eurasia. One of the most important Neolithic cultures, and the focus of several lines of research.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:47, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Significant Copper and Bronze Age culture lasted seven centuries, spread over what is now several nations,  Carlwev  10:59, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Corded Ware culture (Not OP)

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Another archaeological culture. Known for its cord-impressed pottery, early pastoralist economy, use of wheeled vehicles, and role in spreading Indo-European languages into Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2.  Carlwev  11:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Andronovo culture (Not OP)

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Associated with early Indo-Iranian migrations, known for its metallurgy, horse domestication, and the spread of chariot warfare and steppe traditions.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2.  Carlwev  11:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)~[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 12:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add regions of ancient Israel

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I propose we add some of the other regions of (ancient) Israel that we are currently missing. We already list Galilee  5 and Golan Heights  5 at least. These regions are important historically and are also the area where the Bible takes place.

Add Samaria

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The historical central region of the land of Israel.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 20:25, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Decapolis

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A region consisting of ten Hellenistic cities in the land of Israel, and was the center Hellenistic and Roman culture in the area.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Judea  5

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The mountaneous region of Levant, centered around the city of Jerusalem.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 20:24, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3.  Carlwev  11:04, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Most famous of the ones proposed here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
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Add Perea

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A region of Transjordan, east of Judea and Samaria.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove or move Electrification

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JpTheNotSoSuperior recently removed the article Electrification  5 from the contemporary history list, saying that it shouldn't be listed there. I agree; energy technology seems to be a better place.

Remove
Move to Technology
  1. As nom. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:46, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. As the person who made the move. Of note, electrification was listed in both history and technology, so that's why I removed it from history. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:48, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. pbp 20:24, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore to History
Discussion

Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:46, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove more country flags

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History is getting crowded, and months ago, a discussion showed sympathy towards removing almost every country's flag. This should cut about a third of the current list (28). Most of these have only existed for a few decades in their current versions, or their adoption is closely tied to events we currently list (the Spanish transition to democracy  5, the end of Apartheid, etc).

  1. Flag of South Africa
  2. Flag of Kenya
  3. Flag of Bangladesh
  4. Flag of the Philippines
  5. Flag of South Korea
  6. Flag of Thailand
  7. Flag of Vietnam
  8. Flag of Poland
  9. Flag of Spain
Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support all Makkool (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Very few flags belong at this level. None of the above seem to have cultural significance outside their own countries. Trivia, really. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. J947 ‡ edits 22:30, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The form of this joint nomination is a bit misleading. Each flag has a different set of considerations. The flags themselves may not in their current forms be long-tenured. However, each article is a bit of a History of the flag article. Thus the importance of the current version of the flag is not so relevant. If a VA5 person were to get married, we would not suddenly reasses that person's importance based on their current newfound relationship status. Vitality would continue to be assessed based on the history of that person. I would suggest splitting this nomination and stating the date of the original creation as well as its current form in the split nomination. If properly split, I might support some.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:21, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Remove countries entering World War I

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It seems worth bringing these up, as we don't have similar articles about other conflicts.

  1. American entry into World War I
  2. Austro-Hungarian entry into World War I
  3. French entry into World War I
  4. German entry into World War I
  5. Ottoman entry into World War I
  6. Russian entry into World War I
Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal, but I would also be willing to support pbp's swap if consensus goes that way. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removal but also pbp's swap Makkool (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support swap. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:05, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support swap, after thinking about it a bit - yes, those are significant (vital) history of major countries segments in their own right, at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:16, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Seems disengenuous to have American entry into World War I but not United States in World War I  5, Russian entry into World War I but not Russia in World War I  5. Suggest swap. pbp 01:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am a little bit confused what this swap is all about.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I.e. Remove American entry into World War I, add United States in World War I, repeat with other countries. pbp 12:07, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove History of the British Virgin Islands and History of the United States Virgin Islands

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Small from a world-historic perspective. 30,000 and 87,000 people, respectively.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support both Makkool (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:03, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Piling on - trivial at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:37, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Remove Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior

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Removed 4-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:00, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Small from a world-historic perspective. Temporarily embarrassed France. 1 dead.

Support
  1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:14, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:09, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Remove Jiangxi Soviet  5

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Short-lived Soviet during the Chinese Civil War. Part of the larger Chinese Soviet Republic

Support
  1. As nom. Weak support for a swap with the CSR. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap: Remove Shanghai International Settlement  5, Kiautschou Bay Leased Territory  5, Kwantung Leased Territory  5 and Leased Territory of Guangzhouwan, add Treaty port

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All of these are former portions of other cities that are already listed at VA5. In comparison to other geographical features (particularly their parent cities), they have relatively few interwikis. These were rented out (at gunpoint) to foreign powers, in some cases not for very long. The concept of Treaty port is more important than any one treaty port. pbp 01:31, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 01:31, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Swap Príncipe with the Cameroon line

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Bioko is about 40x more populated than Príncipe but it is not listed. Both of them, along with São Tomé Island  5 and Annobón make up the broader Cameroon line.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 16:21, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:45, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Beatlemania  5

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So, on paper, I kind of get why this is listed. It was a big part of that eras counter-culture. But it is not a topic that would be in a traditional encyclopedia and articles about pop-culture crazes are things we should not be listing here. Really, what does this article truly provide to a project trying to assemble the most important topics for an encyclopedia. More proof that The Beatles  3 were extremely popular? Something that that article covers extensively to begin with? I don't see it.

This article is something good for extended reading about the Beatles by Wikipedia standards, where space is infinite and anything can have an article given that it meets our guidelines. But the vital articles project only has a limited selection of articles, with V5 having 50,000. And across those 50,000 slots, we list the Beatles themselves, all four members (John Lennon  4, Ringo Starr  5, Paul McCartney  5, George Harrison  5), the albums Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band  4, Revolver (Beatles album)  5, The Beatles (album)  5, and Abbey Road  5, plus the individual songs I Want to Hold Your Hand  5, Hey Jude  5, Yesterday (song)  5 and A Day in the Life  5 and Lennon's solo work Imagine (song)  5. This is 15 articles dedicated to the Beatles, not counting Beatlemania. I'm not campaigning for the removal of any of these right now because they are all important but my point is: when we list all of this, do we seriously need to give another slot to the Beatles. And if we do, would you rather give that slot to something like Let It Be (album) or Here Comes the Sun, or an article that just reiterates a fact that all of the above articles make very clear: the Beatles were important and popular. The most important and popular music act of all time, yes, but that's still something that can be made very clear without giving the Beatles a 16th article. That's just overkill. Honestly, the amount of representation the Beatles have right now on its own could be labeled as overkill. But that's a story for a different time.

Also, we list Beatlemania under History. I don't know where else it would go, but it being here raises another question and way to look at things: can you think of something like a historical event, a treaty, a battle, a natural disaster, or anything like that which you would rather list over Beatlemania? There's a good chance that you can.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 19:41, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Unprecedented fan worship, showed that bands/musicians could be brands too and has inspired the commercialization and corporatization of pop music as we know it today. Cultural history is still history and I would go so far to say that Beatlemania is more significant than some of the treaties, battles, and natural disasters we already list. It's easy to discount the importance of cultural history because it doesn't feel as grand as a battle but we can directly point to large aspects of our society, culture, and economy that have changed because of Beatlemania in a way that we can't for some of these other events. Aurangzebra (talk) 15:28, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Idiosincrático (talk) 07:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Isthmus of Korea

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The Isthmus of Korea is barely a recognizable geographical feature, just a slightly narrower part of the Korean Peninsula. It's a 1-2 paragraph stub in every language, and doesn't even exist in Korean.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:39, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 15:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support  Carlwev  15:51, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitely not vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 10:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove or move Diosso and Tafraout

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Diosso  5 and Tafraout  5 are towns, so I don't understand why they are listed on physical geography.

Diosso

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Remove
  1. As nom; I'm unsure if it should be listed with cities. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. support  Carlwev  16:06, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move
Keep
Discussion

Tafraout

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Remove
  1. As nom. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. support  Carlwev  16:06, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move
Keep
Discussion

Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:47, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Casamance

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Casamance is a geographical region that includes 3 of the 14 administrative Regions of Senegal (Kolda region, Sédhiou region, Ziguinchor region). It is unique in that it is one of the few geographic regions that is not itself an administrative region (the others are much more obscure like Petite Côte). Whilst its main city Ziguinchor  5 is listed, the region itself should also be listed due to it being ethnically/culturally/historically different from the rest of the country as it is separated by the Gambia (see also Casamance conflict).

Support
  1. As nominator. Sahaib (talk) 22:04, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Sanmenxia

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Sanmenxia  5 is an administrative division, so I don't see why it is listed as physical geography. None of the other prefecture-level cities (second-level administrative divisions) of China are listed on the countries and regions subpage. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

There are two million people in this Prefecture, including 800,000 urban. For the United States, doesn't every county of 2 mill or more contain a VA5 city, or one adjacent? pbp 15:02, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Purplebackpack89: Good point. Which article should we list to represent the urban area? Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:07, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Purplebackpack89: The lack of an article about the urban area in question is regrettable, but this article does not belong on the physical geography list and keeping the misplaced entry does not serve any purpose. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:19, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Lophotrochozoa That's like saying an article on Los Angeles County would be misplaced because LA County includes the sparsely-populated Antelope Valley and Angeles National Forest as well as the City of Los Angeles and the other 80-odd cities surrounding it. pbp 14:38, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If Los Angeles County were listed as physical geography, it would be misplaced since it isn't a physical feature, just like Sanmenxia isn't a physical feature. Did you miss that Sanmenxia is currently listed as physical geography? If you're desperate to compensate for the lack of an article about the urban area in the Hubin and Shanzhou districts, the right place to do so would be cities.

Swap Scotland in the Middle Ages with Kingdom of Strathclyde

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Kingdom of Strathclyde gets more pageviews and has more language links. Not sure why Scotland in the Middle Ages is even listed, since England in the Middle Ages is not listed.

Support
  1. As nominator. Sahaib (talk) 12:58, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add History of cities

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Cities are a very important topic across history, and City  2 is a Level 2 vital article. When we list the histories of several individual cities, I think we have room to list the history of cities as a whole. Rated Top-Importance by WikiProject History.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:18, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. --EleniXDD※Talk 08:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Eldoret

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Major city in Kenya, which is currently underrepresented with only 4 cities and over 50 million in poopulation.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:41, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:51, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Animation in the United States during the silent era

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PASSED
Added 5-0. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Not even a general article on animation in the silent era, but even narrower in focus. This covers a time before animation became widely popularized, leaving a very niche topic.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Too narrow a topic to warrant level 5 indeed. PrimalMustelid (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support  Carlwev  18:25, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Moderate support; while much of animation innovation apparently happened in the US, this era is covered likely well enough by the 1910s & 1920s sections of History of animation  5, is overshadowed by Golden age of American animation  5, and is from an overall film history perspective less suitable an era to include than German expressionist cinema which we don't list.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:24, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. I could see it making Level 6 if that ever gets created, but it doesn't quite reach VA5. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Iostn (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Hallasan

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A UNESCO WHS, part of Jeju Volcanic Island and Lava Tubes. Considered a sacred mountain to Jeju and Korean people. Major tourist attraction. Add to Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Physical#Mountain peaks. Article has 43 language versions and more views than Mount Asama, Mount Hotakadake, and Mount Kita, for starters. More language editions than some of those pages too. More views than other pages like Avachinsky, Ismoil Somoni Peak, Klyuchevskaya Sopka, Koryaksky, Sahand, Peak Pobeda (Sakha), and more.

Support
  1. As nominator seefooddiet (talk) 00:45, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Burmese–Siamese War (1765–1767)

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A brief war with high casualty estimates that ended the Ayutthaya Kingdom  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. Sahaib (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Hekla

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Iceland is one of the most geologically active places on Earth, but we don't list any Icelandic volcanoes - I'd argue this is the most vital, note its Europe-wide reputation as the "Gateway to Hell", everything listed under the pop culture section and also "Cumulatively, the volcano has produced one of the largest volumes of lava of any in the world in the last millennium, around 8 km3 (1.9 cu mi)."

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 22:28, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Surprising omission. Physical Geography has room with quota at 1886/1900.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:11, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove San Francisco Peninsula

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San Francisco Peninsula  5 is already covered by San Francisco Bay Area  5 and San Francisco Bay  5. Its geography makes it stand out on maps, but I think this is over coverage, as it's one part of a metropolitan area which is already covered (also by San Francisco  4 and Silicon Valley  4) and which has a strong regional identity.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:47, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove Republic of Artsakh

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Republic of Artsakh  5 was dissolved in 2023. It is covered by Nagorno-Karabakh  4 and Nagorno-Karabakh conflict  5. It was also not large, as its population was listed at 145,053 in 2015.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Short-lived breakaway state, it can be covered by the conflict article. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:47, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove Metropolitan municipality (South Africa)

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This is a form of municipality in South Africa. These municipalities are within a province like any other municipality The article is mostly a short list, and I'm not seeing why this needs special coverage. It also doesn't have an article on any of the non-English languages of South Africa.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 20:01, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not seeing why we should list this. The slot could be better used to represent more countries. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:26, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Didn't we previously decide to remove this kind of lists? Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

General coverage of country subdivisions

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The coverage in Africa on Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Geography/Countries seems random. Why do a few countries (Egypt, Ethiopia, Nigeria, South Africa, Somalia) get coverage of all their subdivisions while others get almost nothing or nothing? If it's supposed to be based on population, it's not proportional. For example, Tanzania (which gets none) is more populous than South Africa (which gets 9) and over three times as populous as Somalia (which gets 5/6). If it's based on something else, we should decide on what that is, to avoid systemic bias.

Here is a table of the contents of "Regions and country subdivisions". This is just for reference, I'm not saying coverage should necessarily be based directly on population or area.

Continent Entries % Entries % Population % Area
Africa 104 10.0% 17.6% 20.3%
Antarctica 11 1.1% 0.0% 9.5%
Asia 343 33.0% 59.4% 21.2%
Europe/Russia 330 31.7% 9.4% 15.4%
North America 149 14.3% 7.5% 16.2%
Oceania 25 2.4% 0.6% 5.7%
South America 78 7.5% 5.5% 11.9%
World 1040 100% 100% 100%

EchoVanguardZ (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Siddhirganj

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Really confused how this hasn't been nominated yet when every other city has double digit interwikis.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 20:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
I don't think a city should be removed merely for having the least interwikis. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Beat Generation

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PASSED
Added 4-0 Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Inspired by this discussion. (Not sure if Burroughs should be demoted, which is why I'm not voting on it. He is definitely less vital than Ginsberg and Kerouac though.) Significant American literary movement, probably the first post-WWII counterculture movement, led to the Hippie  5 movement.

Support
  1. Bluevestman (talk) 20:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. J947 ‡ edits 22:07, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support swap with Beatnik  5 which is currently listed under "subcultures" on the over-quota social sciences page as it did not persist worldwide as a visible subculture (although Beat Generation may belong under Arts rather than History) Iostn (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Add to Arts. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:22, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Will support a swap for Beatnik and placing it under Arts. --Bluevestman (talk) 18:42, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it too late to move this discussion to Society? Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:51, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Move the 18 articles under "Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Physical_sciences/Earth_science#Paleogeography" to "Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Geography/Physical"

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We have the section for paleogeography under Earth sciences. We should fix this. I think it impacts a level 4 article or two, I'll boldly move those. We include the other "continents" in geography, I don't know why this would be different.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:32, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
  1. I've always seen the history of the Earth, including paleogeography, as a topic of Earth science. On the other hand I don't have a clear understanding of how physical geography differs from earth science. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:32, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Oecusse

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Given above comments that Countries/Regions and country subdivisions is under quota, I thought I'd raise an obvious current omission: Oecusse. This is a geographically distinct and politically autonomous municipality of Timor-Leste  4. Looking over the current list it appears that autonomous areas seem to make the list, even for countries where not all first-level divisions are listed, so Oecusse fits that criteria.

Support
  1. as nom. CMD (talk) 12:22, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 10:34, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss]

Add COINTELPRO

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Article has 20+ interwikis. Very large scale federal operation linked to the downfall of several progressive and left-wing groups. Although the program was officially terminated in the 1970s, similar mass surveillance tactics have since been used by the FBI. I believe this article is vital enough for that reason.

Support
  1. As nom. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 16:29, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Swap Huế (provincial city) with Huế

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Huế was moved to Huế (provincial city) and Thừa Thiên Huế province was moved to Huế at the start of the year because the Thừa Thiên Huế province became Vietnam's newest municipality, named Huế in January 2025. The former provincial city was dissolved according to the article.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 08:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Uvalde school shooting or Parkland high school shooting

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Two deadly school shootings that impacted debates on gun safety.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm sorry if I sound insensitive here but gun debates in the United States have always been perennial since Columbine if not prior. Neither of these two significantly caused them any more debates than many other shootings and I doubt their long term impacts. They are tragic losses of life but they did not impact anything long term on a global scale unlike Columbine or Sandy Hook which are the two prime examples of mass shootings in the United States. After the first few months of the initial shock, there's nothing that separates these from countless other shootings in the United States. I honestly even doubt the vitality of the 2017 Las Vegas shooting or the Orlando nightclub shooting because, while they were very deadly attacks, neither are remembered very well and did not echo through the entire country like Columbine or Sandy Hook did. Even though one of them was the deadliest in the country's history. λ NegativeMP1 01:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sadly agree with NegativeMP1 pbp 13:25, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Unfortunately, the two opposes above are right. These two shootings aren't as famous as Pulse, which is itself up for removal right now. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I thought Parkland was more famous than Pulse. It seemed to me that the Parkland shooting inspired more of a movement for gun control, and then there were political celebrities spreading conspiracy theories about it. It also has higher pageviews. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:54, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove 2017 Las Vegas shooting or Pulse nightclub shooting

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These shootings are not very vital compared to other shootings like Columbine or Sandy Hook.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 13:24, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:50, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I was in Mixed before, supporting Pulse but opposing Las Vegas, but I decided to move to full support. I think an event should have some long-lasting impact other than a death count or have a lot of lasting cultural significance, like the Boston Marathon bombing (which we should list) or the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting  5, to be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:35, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Mixed
Neutral
Discuss

Add Roden Crater

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A cinder cone volcano that is home to a fairly substantial land art project. It is essentially an art installation at this point.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:49, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'd rather have James Turrell be listed instead of just one 'work' of his, he only began this project in 2019. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 17:41, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
     Comment: I nominated him on people yesterday at the same time that I nominated this work. I tend to favor works over people though, and this is a substantial piece in terms of size, notability, and expense. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:46, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:49, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Tokyo subway sarin attack

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A terrorist attack led by Shoko Asahara  5. The lead states that "The attack remains the deadliest terrorist incident in Japan as defined by modern standards", and the article for the Heisei era lists it as one of the "key events". The incident also led to many law changes in Japan, including the removal of trash cans from most major train stations.

Support
  1. As nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 13:07, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Rated Top-Importance by WikiProject Japan. Seems vital enough to include. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:04, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Star (heraldry)

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A previous thread couldn't get enough votes either for or against adding Star (heraldry), but I closed it because two other articles did get enough votes. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. TonyTheTiger was the original nominator.
  2. Zar2gar1 voted support in the original thread.
  3. Lophotrochozoa voted support in the original thread.
Oppose
  1. J947 voted oppose in the original thread.
Neutral
Discussion

Lophotrochozoa (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Lophotrochozoa: If you are going to make these split sections, can you please include the nominator's rationale and the rationales next to each vote? Listing the article without any context makes it difficult to come to a decision. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:37, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove cantons of Switzerland, batch 2

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Unless we're trying to be Eurocentric, 19 Swiss cantons out of 1041 country subdivisions is far too high. I propose the following removals

This is 6 of the 9 smallest remaining cantons by population, except for Canton of Schwyz  5 (origin of the name Switzerland), Canton of Neuchâtel  5 (historically the only monarchy within Switzerland), and Grisons  5 (largest by area and trilingual).

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 01:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. I don't think we need Schwyz for etymology either. J947 ‡ edits 02:15, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. With all the proposed additions of African provinces/regions/states, the relevant subpage is likely to become far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Switzerland does not need this many cantons at VA5. I would prefer to use these slots to add some geographic diversity. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:41, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Equalization of subdivisions in Africa

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Keep in mind that England's VA5 subdivisions average 1 million population, Belgium - 1 million, Greece - 1.3 million, the Netherlands - 1.4 million, Poland - 2.4 million, etc. I wanted to increase representation of Africa. Some countries will have more representation than others merely because their administrative divisions are smaller. I can't think of any way to resolve that bias. A number of these, therefore, may be unlikely to pass.


Add all Provinces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo

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There are 26 provinces, although Kinshasa  4 is already listed as a city. This leaves an average of 4.2 million per province.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:40, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add 26 of the 31 Regions of Tanzania

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I'm proposing all regions except Dar es Salaam Region (covered by Dar es Salaam  4, and the four that make up Zanzibar  4 (which are also the 4 least populous). Average population for these would be about 2.3 million. If you oppose this, then do you have an idea of how to include Tanzania in this section? Including some of the regions?

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add the four Regions of Uganda

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This would mean adding Central Region, Uganda, Western Region, Uganda, Eastern Region, Uganda, and Northern Region, Uganda. Their average population is 12 million.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add all 18 States of Sudan

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Average population is about 2.8 million. If you oppose this, should we list former provinces? For a country of 45 million people, we list only Darfur  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add 10 of the the 12 Regions of Morocco

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This is all regions of Morocco except the two southernmost that are part of Western Sahara  4. Their average population is 3.6 million.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add all 10 Regions of Cameroon

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Average population: 3 million.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add the 7 Regions of Niger

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Average population: 3 million.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add the 3 former provinces of South Sudan

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That is Bahr el Ghazal (region of South Sudan), Equatoria, and Greater Upper Nile. Average population: 4 million.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:45, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Other countries

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I couldn't find any reasonable way to balance Algeria, Angola, or any smaller countries. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Equalization of subdivisions in Asia

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Add 6 Regions of Thailand

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Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:49, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Thailand  3 is underrepresented at VA5. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:38, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add 8 regions of Vietnam

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Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:49, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add tributaries of the Amazon River

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The drainage basin of the Amazon River  3 includes several great rivers, but the only tributaries we list are Rio Negro (Amazon)  4, Madeira River  4, Apurímac River  5, Casiquiare canal  5 and (counting generously) Tocantins River  4.

Add Marañón River

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The Marañón River has an average discharge of over 16 000 m3/s, it is over 1 700 kilometers long (I don't know if this counts from the source of the Nupe River of from the confluence of the Nupe and Lauricocha rivers, but it doesn't make much difference), and its drainage basin is about 360 000 km2/s. Its confluence with the Ucayali River defines the beginning of the Amazon River.

Support
  1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This river also apparently has legal importance, according to the article. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Ucayali River

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The Ucayali River has an average discharge of over 13 000 m3/s, it is over 1 400 kilometers long (counting from the confluence of the Tambo and Urubamba rivers), and its drainage basin is about 350 000 km2/s. Its confluence with the Marañón River defines the beginning of the Amazon River. We already list its headwater Apurímac River  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:47, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Japurá River

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The Japurá River has an average discharge of over 18 000 m3/s, it is over 2 000 kilometers long, and its drainage basin is over 270 000 km2/s.

Support
  1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Tapajós

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The Tapajós River has an average discharge of about 13 000 m3/s, it is over 800 kilometers long (counting from the confluence of the Juruena and Teles Pires rivers), and its drainage basin is nearly 500 000 km2/s.

Support
  1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Purus River

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The Purus River has an average discharge of about 11 000 m3/s, it is over 3 300 kilometers long, and its drainage basin is nearly 370 000 km2/s.

Support
  1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Xingu River

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The Xingu River has an average discharge of about 10 000 m3/s, it is over 1 600 kilometers long, and its drainage basin is over 500 000 km2/s.

Support
  1. As nominator. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Discussion

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Add Bofors scandal

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A major incident in the histories of both India and Sweden, which caused a regime change in India and is still remembered today. Rated High-Importance by the WikiProjects for India, Sweden, Crime, and Politics.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:33, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Boston Marathon bombing

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The upcoming removal of the Pulse nightclub shooting should make room to add this. One of the most famous terrorist attacks of the 2010s, the bombing injured over 200 people. There were widespread reactions internationally and the incident caused a global improvement of security at sporting events. It is also still widely remembered and discussed by Americans today, it still gets massive amounts of pageviews 12 years later, and it has an impressive 56 interwikis. The massive and enduring impact of this tragic event makes it warrant a slot at VA5.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:24, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Quite famous. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Remove Svalbard and Jan Mayen

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Svalbard and Jan Mayen  5 is purely a statistical area, composed of Svalbard  4, and the uninhabited Jan Mayen  5. I don't think the page is vital on any level.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:58, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The key vital article is Svalbard  4, this wider grouping is not vital. CMD (talk) 19:04, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. There is no reason to have this on the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. J947 ‡ edits 23:40, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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