Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 February 19

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The result of the discussion was No consensus * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:57, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ireland composite rules shinty team 2006 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No article about this team. No mention of the team in Composite rules shinty–hurling The Banner talk 23:48, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There is an article for this team. The relevant article is Ireland national hurling team. I am also not sure what the nominator means by the article "composite rules shinty–hurling" having no mention of the team, e.g. "After a long run of Irish successes, Scotland won four fixtures in a row from 2005 until Ireland reclaimed the title in 2009"? --Gaois (talk) 14:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Until you changed the link today, the template was pointing to Composite rules shinty–hurling, where the team is not mentioned at all. The Banner talk 15:08, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, I added the missing team link to the template. But the sentence I quoted is actually from Composite rules shinty–hurling, the original "no mention" link in your nomination? --Gaois (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    - I still see no mention of the team, just "Ireland won finally". The Banner talk 17:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      - Is that not a mention of the team? The team is Ireland. --Gaois (talk) 17:28, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-winning team. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, can be found at Ireland national hurling team#Squads. The Shinty–Hurling International Series is a single-match competition between Ireland and Scotland, so WikiCleanerMan's argument doesn't apply here. As I'm not familiar with the subject, feel free to rebut me (I just don't see any compelling arguments for deletion at the moment). it's lio! | talk | work 07:14, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It actually does. We have community consensus not to keep or create non-winning team navboxes. Scotland won the 2006 match. Ireland did not win the match and a navbox for non-winning team is pointless. Just because the list can be found on an article, is not a valid keep argument. That section is unsourced and subject to removal. Since you state you are not familiar with the subject matter, you shouldn't vote unless you have done the research. You shouldn't case my vote out. "The Shinty–Hurling International Series is a single-match competition between Ireland and Scotland." Your vote is not based on any argument related to the nomination. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, I meant that since the entire competition is just played between two teams, it's kind of pointless to restrict the navboxes to the winning team (Ireland/Scotland). Either have templates for both teams, or not have them at all. Cheers, it's lio! | talk | work 04:45, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It has since been sourced, so hopefully no longer "subject to removal".

Is there a link for the community consensus? OSE (I know) but... this is not the practice I am seeing across a wide range of sports, with Scotland no exception. And this seventh place and this eighth place I found at random as I was typing are presumably quite far from non-winning? I've even just found a tenth and a thirteenth place... when I was only looking for second. So it would be interesting to learn about where/when this decision was made. For instance, if it was many years ago, what has caused the delay in deleting the linked examples and all the others that can be accessed through the categories? Whereas if the decision was made yesterday, it would be understandable that so many templates had yet to be cleared away. The absence of details on the community consensus just leads to uncertainty and, well, lack of verifiability. --Gaois (talk) 23:48, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- The main difference is that are all templates related to major tournaments, the highest level of their sports. But the shinty series is not a major tournament and is even passed over by most top hurling/camogie players. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a strong argument. The Banner talk 14:03, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - I did not intend it as an argument for keep, or an argument for anything really. I mentioned OSE first specifically to pre-empt that. It was a response to the mention of community consensus and wondering where/when this was decided. The reply given does not answer that question. It is a pity. It should not be difficult to include a link to the community consensus that is claimed. How else to verify it?

Even then I am doubtful that at least one example I included is the highest level of its sport. The Rugby League Four Nations appears to have begun in 2009 and I can find nothing after 2016. It is described by Wikipedia in the past tense. It seems to have a similar history to the Shinty–Hurling International Series, if not less, since the Shinty–Hurling International Series happened a few months ago when, if you are not aware, Aidan McCarthy (shortly after winning the 2024 All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship final) scored the equaliser and Eoin Cody (of Kilkenny, another team at the highest level of the sport) scored a hat-trick.

Besides which, many navboxes from "the highest level of their sports" have been nominated in recent weeks ("NENAN"ed basically, that has been the extent of the deletion rationale for some of them). We could say this one might not be the highest level but then we could say that others were. I am struggling therefore to understand all the gaps and contradictions. But mostly eager to read the discussion that brought about the community consensus. --Gaois (talk) 00:48, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship Final Man of the Match

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2025 March 7. Primefac (talk) 20:57, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:All-Ireland_Senior_Hurling_Championship_Final_Man_of_the_Match (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Hurry Up Tomorrow track listing

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per G7. (non-admin closure) it's lio! | talk | work 13:36, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hurry Up Tomorrow track listing (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navigation is redundant to {{The Weeknd songs}} as it as well links to all the songs from the album that have articles. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, just here to say about the template; I was merely taken in by the previous template made by someone for Kamikaze (Eminem's studio album) and I had thought about replicating it for other albums (so I went on to make just that; for Eminem's The Marshall Mathers LP 2, and now this; The Weeknd's Hurry Up Tomorrow. Well in hindsight, me purely wanting to add something just werent able to establish myself the realization that it was wholly redundant because... yes, I just added navigation on the infobox itself... Was about to plan on making this template for Eminem's recent album, The Death of Slim Shady, until I received word that all my work was nothing but redundancy.

So if there's anything I can do, well I can make it right (you can ask me to blank it), otherwise, anyone who has the power to delete pages, they have my blessing to remove it. ROBLOXGamingDavid (talk) 03:47, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and creator (ROBLOXGamingDavid). it's lio! | talk | work 06:56, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Fx Goby

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Fx Goby (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Two films. WP:NENAN. --wooden superman 14:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 21:40, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Based on Fx Goby#Filmography, navbox expansion unlikely. it's lio! | talk | work 06:54, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2024 GAA Rising Stars Hurling Team

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024 GAA Rising Stars Hurling Team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No article about this team. Not mentioned in the given backlink (2024 Fitzgibbon Cup) The Banner talk 14:19, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP: I have added a Team of the Year section (see 2024 Fitzgibbon Cup#Team of the Year) and put in a suitable link on teh Template.CorkMan talk 16:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you create low-quality templates about teams without own article or mention, to improve them only after you are called out on it? I leave it to the admins to decide if this team (with no own article) is relevant enough for its own template. The Banner talk 16:48, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, admittedly, many of the templates are low quality or attract a niche level of interest. Not every template on Wikipedia has a corresponding article of its own. Many templates link to a broader article, particularly when it comes to sporting articles. This has been the case with many of the templates that I created. Over the last few months you have proposed the deletion of many of the templates that I have created over the years. The reason I improved these templates after "being called out" is because I have an interest in preserving these templates. Many have been in existence for many years and offer vital information, albeit to a niche audience. Rather than being "called out", I am merely offering an alternative view to yours as to why the template should not be deleted.CorkMan talk 00:12, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. As far as I can make out , not an actual team, but a fantasy team. This "team" did not win (or even compete in) any tournaments, so not a valid topic for a navbox. --wooden superman 08:47, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming woodensuperman's statement is true, delete per nom. it's lio! | talk | work 06:52, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:OccupationNationality

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:03, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:OccupationNationality (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use template which does no computation. Wikitext is more understandable if we don't use this template. Therefore, subst and delete this self-operating napkin. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 07:11, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: category namespace templates like this are actually much more useful then manual text, as it just requires copy/pasting these into new pages and everything is handled. This specific one is less helpful as it lacks documentation and features. Gonnym (talk) 10:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree wholeheartedly that in general these templates are helpful. I think this specific one is not. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 05:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment looks like a substitution template that wasn't substituted in the use that still transcludes it. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:42, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ping the transcluder and the author @Neddyseagoon and CJLL Wright: who may elucidate things -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:42, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:16, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neither Neddyseagoon nor CJLL Wright have edited in years. If they were the only ones who used it, it can safely be deleted. Best, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 23:36, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. it's lio! | talk | work 06:50, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Monarch of the Glen

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:07, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Monarch of the Glen (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only three articles outside of the subject. WP:NENAN. --wooden superman 13:53, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. / RemoveRedSky ^{[talk] [gb]} 21:41, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Bad (album)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2025 February 26. ✗plicit 14:05, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bad_(album) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Laois Hurling Team 2024

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:05, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Laois Hurling Team 2024 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Losing finalist on second tier competition The Banner talk 02:45, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete, runners-up. Frietjes (talk) 15:49, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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