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List of buildings and structures in Guimarães

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Nominator(s): V.B.Speranza (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list status because I believe it has achieved a high level of detail and comprehensiveness regarding the numerous buildings, structures, and monuments in the historic city of Guimarães. Practically every entry is well-sourced, contains sufficient information, and collectively, the list serves as a valuable resource on the monuments of this municipality. V.B.Speranza (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

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  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Name becomes !scope=col | Name. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |[[Alfândega Tower]] becomes !scope=row |[[Alfândega Tower]]. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. This is not a full review, and does not result in a support vote. --PresN 02:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @PresN I’ve done the changes (I hope), but i don’t understand the captions one… thanks for this review. V.B.Speranza (talk) 16:31, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @V.B.Speranza:, read MOS:TABLECAPTION. each table should have a caption that explains what the table is, for example it could be "Historic landmarks in Guimarães" Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Done, @PresN & @Cowboygilbert!
    V.B.Speranza (talk) 21:58, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @V.B.Speranza:, I still don't see any table captions. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:42, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Cowboygilbert I added it to every image, you can see the code. V.B.Speranza (talk) 19:27, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @V.B.Speranza: The tables need captions, not the images. That's the whole point of this review that PresN started. The tables do not follow the manual of style for table accessibility. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 22:54, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Cowboygilbert Both the images and the tables now have captions. V.B.Speranza (talk) 12:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MPGuy2824

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Reywas92

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I've been to Guimarães so this is a cool list to see!

  • What exactly are the inclusion criteria in each section? The lead says "A vast majority of these structures are protected as national monuments or properties of public interest." but I don't see anything denoting why each structure is included here.
  • Wikilink List of national monuments of Portugal, and perhaps the buildings that are national monuments can be denoted in some way. A lot of the sources are to www.monumentos.gov.pt, but I'm not sure if that means they've been formally designated or just catalogued.
  • The description in Service buildings ends in an ellipsis, which is poor form. Also fix the capitalization.
  • Several items in this section lack any description or sources, raising the question of why they are included. One is simply an Ibis hotel – I'm sure there are dozens and dozens of hotels in the city, but this list should be limited to buildings that are notable or otherwise recognized by sources as significant or historic. The Bercel Clothing Factory is sourced to a Facebook photo which is not a reliable source – needs a statement of notability beyond being maybe built in the 1800s.
  • Sculptures are not buildings and do not seem within the scope of this list.
  • The first two links in the see also are linked in the lead and don't need to be repeated
  • I do not believe List of religious buildings in Guimarães needs to be a separate page. You've just linked it with a hatnote from the top, but these are buildings too so I recommend merging.
  • Template:Guimarães lists Vila Flor Palace, but that's missing here. How should we know this list is appropriately comprehensive, whatever the inclusion criteria are? Reywas92Talk 18:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Reywas92: Hi, I already proposed the name change to “List of buildings and structures in Guimarães”, as many structures such as bridges and monuments are listed as protected landmarks, so they have to be included on the list. There is a different article for religious buildings as there are hundreds of them in the council, even though I’ve only placed a few there, and to put them in the same article would make it too long. Lastly, I’ve added the Vila Flor Palace, Vila Flor Cultural Centre and the Casa do Arco, all in the template you mention, as I forgot to include them when I was adding the buildings 1 by 1 while consulting the national monuments catalogue. V.B.Speranza (talk) 19:24, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think "buildings and structures" could include more substantial historic monuments like Padrão de D. João I, but I would discourage generic and non-notable sculptures like World Heritage Monument, which is still not really a structure like a bridge would be. With respect to churches, that would still at least need to be appropriately integrated into the article with a section and {main article} link rather than just a hatnote at the top. But again, we do not want a list with hundreds of churches, etc., but rather just the notable ones that have articles or a protected designation. Every city has hundreds of religious buildings but we should avoid being a directory of all of them. So this list seems incomplete without at least the significant historic ones. Reywas92Talk 21:38, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Reywas92: So you suggest adding the main ones, and in the other article have those and the lesser ones? Or you want to include every registered church in the Portuguese governmental database, as they are all notable enough to be there, but again, there’s hundreds, and in the other article include those and the, once more, lesser ones? V.B.Speranza (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, you could have the most significant ones in the main article and the full list of other notable churches in a subarticle. I suppose I'd like more info about how the government recognizes sites – List of national monuments of Portugal only has seven churches listed there, if those are the most appropriate to include. Reywas92Talk 00:25, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Reywas92 I shall then add the most iconic ones, I’m thinking of 5 (Santos Passos, Oliveira, Saint Peter, Miguel do Castelo & Penha, as they are the most important) and then a link to the separate article. V.B.Speranza (talk) 01:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History6042

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  • Sculptures are most definitely not buildings and should be removed.
  • All images need alternative text.
  • The image column shouldn't be sortable.
  • The construction columns sort weirdly with the before/between.
  • "Courthouse of Creixomil" should have a description.
  • "Situated adjacent to the Jordão Theatre, the Garagem Avenida predates the theatre's construction and stood as the primary car repair shop in Guimarães throughout the 20th century." needs an inline citation.
  • "the Guimarães Police Station serves as the headquarters of the PSP in the city." needs an inline citation.
  • Same for "The Pousada Tower or Pousada House is a 13th century medieval tower house."
  • Same for "Extremely well preserved example of Portuguese medieval architecture."
  • Also "Noble medieval house, known for its tower and orange groves (Laranjais in portuguese) that give the house its name." and "Last of the many noble houses at the Santa Maria Street going up from the Oliveira Square."
  • Same for "located in the small section of the Santa Maria Street that passes through the Santiago Square."
  • "Former tower house with a manueline window." needs one.
  • Oppose, there are just too many unsourced statements. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @History6042:
    1-There is a discussion to change the title to "Buildings and structures in Guimarães", as many structures and sculptures are registered in the national monuments catalogue.
    2-Why, and how.
    3-You could help me fix that, as i dont know how to.
    4-Same as above.
    5-Already added.
    6-Already added.
    7-Already added.
    8-Already added.
    9-Already added.
    10-Already added.
    11-How may i add that citation as its the location of the noble house and not a fact about it?
    12-Already added.
    I hope this allows you to change your opinion about the nomination, V.B.Speranza (talk) 15:54, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • All images need alt text for accessibility reasons, I am pretty sure it is because when one is using a screen reader it can read a description of the image. To do it, in the visual editor double click the image and a box should show up where you can type in alt text.
    • For a tutorial on how to make a column unsortable see Help:Sortable_tables#Making_selected_columns_unsortable.
    • The 11th point was a mistake on my part.
    • I will change my oppose once these are fixed
    History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @History6042 I’ve done it all apart the unsortable collums that I just can’t figure out. V.B.Speranza (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @History6042 Hi, the unsortable columns issue is now fixed. V.B.Speranza (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @V.B.Speranza, the alternate texts need much more description than just the name. History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @History6042 The images depict the building in question, those that don’t are more in depth due to the lack of obvious imagery, no problems here. V.B.Speranza (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

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OlifanofmrTennant

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  • ”Sport” in header 4 should be plural for consistency
  • Most of the descriptions in sports are unsourced
  • Others throughout the page are as well.
  • Some things are redlinked and some aren’t
  • ”Guimarães Sports Centre” should be plural as it’s about multiple vocations
  • Structures needs more prose
  • Structures should probably be called bridges as they are all that is listed and it’s a very vague name.

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That’s what I got ping me when done Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 09:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@OlifanofmrTennant Hi, the article changed a bit over the past month, I believe some issues weren’t solved, I’m wondering if the sport section should merge with the service section. V.B.Speranza (talk) 16:52, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination has been open for over six weeks without any votes to support its promotion and appears to have been stalled out. I'm going to close the nomination to keep the queue moving; feel free to renominate in the future once the issues are sorted out. --PresN 00:36, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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