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The list was promoted by Hey man im josh via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Los Angeles Rams starting quarterbacks

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Nominator(s): Birdienest81talk 08:36, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For my first American football list that I will nominate for featured list status, I have chosen this list of Rams starting quarterbacks because the team is my favorite ever since they returned to Los Angeles after spending 20 years in St. Louis. Please note that due to the fact that the team was founded in 1936, this list resembles List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks rather than List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacks.

  1. Unlike some other starting quarterbacks lists, this list does not include any statistics. Imho, statistics other than games, starts and QB record is superfluous to this topic and better covered in existing list (in this case, List of Los Angeles Rams team records, which is described and linked in the See also section). Yards, passes, etc are all accumulated regardless of whether a QB starts or not. Note, WP:FLCR #3(c) states that a FL should not largely duplicate material from another article.
  2. There is two existing team quarterback start FLCs: List of Los Angeles Chargers starting quarterbacks (passed in Jan 2023) and (passed in April 2024). You will notice that the former utilizes a static table instead of a sortable table. I chose to follow the Packers' starting quarterback list table for a couple reasons: first, this is a list of players (specifically starting QBs), thus I feel like the reader expectation is a list of quarterbacks, not a list of seasons. Second, the sortable table provides a lot more functionality to understand who started the most games, who had the best record, etc. I believe this layout also speaks more closely to satisfying WP:FLCR #4 Structure. It is easy to navigate and includes, where helpful, section headings and table sort facilities.
  3. Unlike the two existing team quarterback start FLCs, the Rams history dates back well before 1950. Based on Gonzo fan2007's research on the Pa, there are no reliable sources showing quarterback starts or win/loss record prior to 1950. PFR doesn't list them and even in individual player pages, it only shows total starts, not starts by position (and no QB record). Thus, for this list, the cut-off is 1950, when my source (PFR) provides reliable information showing QB starts. All other pre-1950 Rams QBs aren't included (note, {{Los Angeles Rams starting quarterback navbox}} still has these included; assuming consensus forms here on this issue and this FLC promotes, I would then utilize this list to update the template).

Nevertheless, I feel that this has the potential to become a featured list. I would greatly appreciate the feedback and addressing any concerns.

--Birdienest81talk 08:36, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
MPGuy2824
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  • The regular season table has MOS:COLHEAD issues.
  • Scott Covington should have a win percentage of 0, while Case Keenum's should be 0.5. Please check the rest.
  • Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
  • Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Year becomes !scope=col | Year. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
  • Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1987 becomes !scope=row | 1987 (on its own line). If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
  • Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 15:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @MPGuy2824: Done - I have read your comments, and made the necessary adjustments based on them. I should point out that I removed the entire season by season tables since as I mentioned in the intro of this nominations, this is primarily a list about starter quarterbacks rather than a season-by-season record. I am following how List of Green Bay Packers starting quarterbacks was formated. However, an editor decided to restore the old format underneath the current one without knowing that the list is undergoing FLC. Anyways, hope this clarifies things.
--Birdienest81talk 10:41, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The refs column in both tables should be unsortable. Support on table accessibility since I trust that you'll get this done. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:21, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History6042's source review

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  • Sources are reliable enough.
  • Nothing is unsourced.
  • Dates in references all use MDY format.
  • All are archived except citation 81. Please archive it.
  • I spotchecked 10 sources and they were all fine.
  • Note: I don't really know how the sport percentages work but I will WP:AGF because everything else I checked made sense.
  • I will support once you archive the one source that doesn't have it. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:07, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • @History6042: Done - I added that archived url manually since the archive tool doesn;t some to archive to page.
--Birdienest81talk 12:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support, good job. History6042😊 (Contact me) 12:03, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TheDoctorWho

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  • Add {{Use American English}}
  • Add a short description per WP:SDLIST (overrides SDNONE), non-American readers aren't likely to know who the Los Angeles Rams are. Something like "American football starting quarterbacks" would probably suffice
  • "in Cleveland, Ohio as" ---> "in Cleveland, Ohio, as" (MOS:GEOCOMMA)
  • "to Anaheim, California in" ---> "to Anaheim, California, in" (same as above)
  • Once more with "to St. Louis, Missouri in" ---> "to St. Louis, Missouri, in"
  • Refs 26 and 43 both link to stats for Gus Freotte, rather than one linking to Brock Berlin

I think that's all I have! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • @TheDoctorWho: Done - I've read your comments and have made the necessary corrections based on your feedback. Thank you for your help!
--Birdienest81talk 06:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support, nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:33, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

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Source review: Passed

  • Reliable enough for the information being cited
  • Consistent date formatting
  • Consistent and proper reference formatting
  • Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
  • Spot checks on sources match what they are being cited for

Feedback:

Please ping me when the above has been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:36, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Hey man im josh: Done - I've have made corrections based on your comments and a few more adjustments. Thanks for your help.
--Birdienest81talk 04:31, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:38, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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