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The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 12 May 2025 [1].

Weird Faith

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Nominator(s): voorts (talk/contributions) 19:59, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been at GA for months now, and it don't do me good to keep it there, so I'm taking the same risk I always do when I come to FAC. I've got weird faith that everything, almost, will go well during this process, although I'll understand if the obsessive thoughts take hold and you all tell me to kiss the wall. voorts (talk/contributions) 19:59, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from MSincccc

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Lead
  • It was written in Nashville and upstate New York, recorded in upstate New York by Diaz ... This sentence could be rephrased as It was written in Nashville and upstate New York, recorded in the latter by Diaz... to avoid repeating "upstate New York" in close proximity.
  • Nashville could be linked at least once in the lead.
Background and production
  • Diaz said in Nylon that the album was inspired by her father.[8] Diaz worked with several co-writers,... Mentioning "Diaz" in consecutive sentences could be avoided.
  • Glide Magazine and Glide both have been used in the article. MSincccc (talk) 13:55, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All of the above is done. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:30, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support on prose. MSincccc (talk) 07:56, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! voorts (talk/contributions) 12:59, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vacant0

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Will review this. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Maybe link Grammy Awards in the lede?
  • Mention Diaz: Cohen co-produced the album with Konrad Snyder. → Cohen co-produced the album with Diaz and Konrad Snyder.
  • Likewise, in Glide Dillon said → Likewise, in Glide, Dillon said
  • Nylon is wikilinked twice. Remove the second wikilink in Themes.
  • Is it necessary to mention the ratings in the prose? We already have a table for that.
  • Reading through the article, I'm concerned over the overuse of quotations, especially one-word quotations. I don't have any particular recommendations, but maybe try paraphrasing some parts of the article to cut down on the number of quotations?
First 4 done.
  • RE Is it necessary to mention the ratings in the prose? We already have a table for that: Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice#Album ratings templates seems to indicate that they should be described in prose.
  • RE your last bullet, I did another read through and cut down a couple, but I think the short/one-worded quotations are fine. I can't think of a good way to paraphrase phrases like "delicate uncertainty", "stylized but diaristic", or striking a "defiant" tone without changing the meaning.
voorts (talk/contributions) 21:55, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, sounds good. Reading through the article again, most quotes are hard to paraphrase. I'll support then on prose. Cheers. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! voorts (talk/contributions) 12:59, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • "The album follows her fifth studio album, History of a Feeling, and tours" => "The album followed her fifth studio album, History of a Feeling, and tours"
  • "It was featured on several year end lists" => "It was featured on several year-end lists"
  • "Following the release of her critically acclaimed fifth studio album" => "Following the release of her critically-acclaimed fifth studio album"
  • "She wrote the album from her home in Nashville" => "She wrote the album at her home in Nashville"
  • "When writing the songs on Weird Faith, Diaz told BrooklynVegan that she spent time" => "She told BrooklynVegan that, while writing the songs on Weird Faith, she spent time"
  • That's all I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks! voorts (talk/contributions) 16:28, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: anything else? voorts (talk/contributions) 18:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I didn't realise you had replied. I'll take another look later..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:05, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments and support from Gerda

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Will take notes as I read --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check inbox and lead again after reading all, checking if they match the content. For now: the word "album" is repeated with only one word in between.

Background ...

  • "went on tour and opened for" - I may be the only one who doesn't know what "opened" means here.
    • It means to perform before the main act.
  • "where she recorded the album with Sam Cohen. Cohen co-produced the album with Diaz and Konrad Snyder." I may be the only one who doesn't know why Cohen's name (and hers) comes twice.
    • I'm not sure how else to phrase these two sentences. Do you have a suggestion?
      • "where she recorded the album with Sam Cohen who co-produced the album with Diaz and Konrad Snyder"? --GA
        • Fixed.
  • I wonder if why she wrote it might come before it was already produced.
    • I think the current layout of the section is fine.
  • "learn[ing] how to trust [her]self" - I wonder if that has be framed as a quote, - it seems like a normal expression.
    • Changed.
  • trust in a label?
    • Her record label.
      • English isn't my first language. I'd not put trust in a label on the same level as trust in a person. --GA
  • as before: "quietly ask [her]self questions", - I don't think that needs to be a quote, but if then "quietly ask self questions" would illustrate her language better and still be clear.
    • Changed.
  • "by her father" - that tells me nothing without explanation or background who her father was.
  • I reached the end of that section without getting to know why weird and why faith ;)
    • That's for the themes section.
      • But I don't see an explanation there. I only guessing from "houses of worship" that there is a religious undertone in "faith" which is a pretty ambiguous word. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • Added the first sentence here: In an interview with Exclaim!, Diaz acknowledged that while faith can be a "triggering word" for many people, it is an indescribable form of peace for herself. She said that the album was about "having some weird faith and walking forward" when falling in love in a new relationship.
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

Coming from classical music, I am surprised how little I know from reading this section how the music actually sounds. Much of it reads more like reception to me. I also wonder if it would be better to first have Themes and then let follow how the music expresses the themes.

I just reviewed an article for DYK, África Brasil, which has the detail about lyrics and music that I'd expect in a FA. --(forgot to sign, some time ago) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • The order of the article sections is based on MOS:ALBUM. I think this article adequately summarizes the views of critics and their analyses of the album's composition/themes without going into an undue analysis of the lyrics of each of the songs. Unlike Jorge Ben, most of the songs on this album get a sentence or half sentence per review, and the analysis of those songs is captured in the general thematic overview.
    • Yes, understood, but I don't know a thing after reading the composition section about composition details, such as tempos, instrumentation (perhaps different in different songs?), relation of music to text, such things. What I read - as said - seems a listing of what critics have said, where I'd hope for a summary about how it sounds. ---GA
      • I think the section contains those things. For example, it notes that Critics have generally said that the album's mostly-acoustic tracks are minimalist compositions that highlight Diaz's vocals and songwriting. and then goes on to summarize the views of several critics. For example, the article states: In Glide, Ryan Dillon stated that the album had a "very honed sonic landscape", featuring minimal arrangements that support, rather than "outshine", Diaz's vocals. I think that's a fair summary of the paragraph that Dillon devotes to the album's composition: The arrangements Diaz picked for this album were just as important as the album's impact. There is not a lot of flash to gawk at here, Diaz seemingly didn't want anything to outshine her. That was the right choice, while some of the arrangements bleed together and follow a similar formula of minimal acoustics that lead into epic crescendos. You won't notice these similarities on the first listen, Diaz is too powerful to let that happen. The very honed sonic landscape of this album was a necessity, at a pivotal moment in her career the last thing Diaz needs is danceable tempos or added elements. This allowed her to put her full self out there and pen some of the most moving songs of her career. Pop critics writing for magazines don't generally use the sorts of in-depth, more objective analyses of chord structures, tempi, etc. that musicologists do when they write about classical compositions. Everything is opinion and there's not really much that can be stated in wikivoice as opposed to being attributed.
        • Note that I would add those things that you're asking for if they existed. For example, see my FA on Running Out of Time (song): The song opens on the off beat with a bluesy guitar riff, resolving to F-sharp major for the verse. The verse, with a syncopated beat, has Williams singing over chromatic mediant and stable tonic chords, and features sixth chords. In the pre-chorus, the chords remain the same as those in the verse but with a less-syncopated rhythm. In the bridge, the guitar takes on a groovy tone, over which Williams sings several blue notes.

Themes

Again quite generally, it reads more like a list of how different people see the themes, not without contradictions (new love vs. long-term relationship.

  • Per WP:SS, our job is to summarize what reliable sources say. In my view, these should be attributed to critics.
    • Understood, but there could still be a summary, no? ---GA
      • There is a summary: According to critics, Weird Faith addresses themes of love, trust, and intimacy.. See also my response in the composition section above.

Release ...

  • Weird Faith tour - shouldn't that be Weird Faith tour.
    • Fixed.

Critical ...

Track listing & Personnel

Looks fine, just what does "ambient cool shit" mean? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi Gerda, I think it's time for that further look over. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I read it again. I am still surprised that composition comes before themes - which is different for classical music where the text and themes come first and then how they are expressed in the music, but I won't take it up with the MoS. I understand that obviously the sources don't provide musical details, - too bad but what could we do? - I think the lead might be a bit more detailed on themes and compositon but see that I seem to be the only one. Support. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source and image review

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Image use, rationale, ALT and licence are fine. Source formatting is consistent. Some sources I haven't checked, nothing that jumps out as a red flag but I must stress that music sources aren't something I am deeply familiar with. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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