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Socialism

FYI: Four additional errors appeared after your edit to Socialism. "harvp error: multiple targets" The other two are cite journal that don't have the journal name. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 05:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Assam Rifles

What are your sources for the Assam Rifles badges ([1][2]) you uploaded? The Doom Patrol (talk) 18:25, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Are you now going to argue the citation YOU pointed to, which I then actually found and provided, is wrong? Cdjp1 (talk) 18:27, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

If it is wrong, remove it. If you have better, add it. If the citations are ok, they can be left. Cdjp1 (talk) 18:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Nice strawman argument. When did I provided any citation for "verifying your pictures"? My source was to verify the "rank names" which I updated, not your pictures. I asked you about the source for the "pictures of badges" you uploaded in SEPTEMBER 2021. The question remains, what is your source? The Doom Patrol (talk) 17:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, I thought you were talking about the rank titles. The badges are extracted from images such as this one, which are prevalent on search results, and seems to relate to an everyday working uniform. Cdjp1 (talk) 18:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Removal has been reverted, stating source, image descriptions updated. Though looking at this the NonCom ranks look to be on a red backing, though they also seem to be in full parade dress, so those images may need updating, depending on what else can be found. Cdjp1 (talk) 18:14, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

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Those were nice edits yesterday at the 2022 Russian invasion article. The article is currently about to go over 400Kb which seems to require a bulking down of the article which is becoming too large and sprawling. My direction of thought in to take the Prelude section and either split it into a new article, or to rely on the existing links and summarize that entire section into 3-4 summary paragraphs. Any thoughts on this from your experience with the article? ErnestKrause (talk) 16:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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Territorial Army (India)

Can you add badges for Territorial Army (India) ranks? 117.230.85.133 (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Can you increase the width of officer rank template? It looks congested.--117.230.87.26 (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

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small things

1. Google books. Generally my ETVP script adds | via = xxxx wherever it makes sense. Because google books is so commonplace for URLs in book citations, I don't see any need for | via = if the URL points to google books. But I won't remove it if it is already present.
2. The point of ETVP is to make the wikitext easy to read (visually parse); normally this means a blank following list markup, but not for citations within biblio listings. Doing this helps to delimit the beginning and end of each template.
3. Normally in ETVP, there is always a blank before a pipe. ETVP is a trade-off between white space for clarity and trying to keep the cite as short as possible, so I made a small exception for the first pipe after the template name, with the exception of cite journal. It's possible I might remove this exception, since it saves so little space.

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Bd Navy

Hello Cdjp1, I'm seeing multiple overlapping of insignias in Mobile (browser & app). For example, the sleeve insignia of Admiral is overlapped by shoulder insignia of Vice admiral, which is confusing. I hope you’ll understand & let me fix it. Litton123 (talk) 03:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

@Skjoldbro:, now seeing this issue in the android app for display, across all charts that use the two images with nobreak, so we will need to find a satisfactory solution that isn't just halving the image sizes. Cdjp1 (talk) 07:11, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

The issue described here, is most likely because of the {{nobreak|}} used on many navy templates. This code was originally introduced so there is certainty that all shoulder boards are placed next to the sleeve rather than random placement, based on the length of the template at any given time, as you might remember (Example). This however, results in the images staying locked on phone, when there is a limited space. Skjoldbro (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

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Bug?

Hello,

All the rest looks fine thanks but if you used an automated tool on Gas in Turkey you might want to report a bug as it changed “date=2019-07-15” to “ date=15 July 019” in other words it lost the “2” for some reason. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

A bot would be nice, but this was a manual change, so my fault there, apologies. Cdjp1 (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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Mea culpa

So sorry for that.[3] I must have accidentally tapped a rollback link then hit something else before the results page loaded. Can’t think of another explanation. Apologies, and I’m glad you un-undid.  —Michael Z. 21:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all :) Cdjp1 (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for you!

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I have some things concerning the rank templates that I would like to get your thoughts on.

OF(D)

I have been annoyed some time, that I have been unable to locate anything in STANAG 2116 about the "OF(D)" and "Student officer". Mostly because, there is such a great variety between the officer cadet ranks and structures. For example, UK only has one rank, while Germany has three all of which have their own OR rank, Iran has four, Spain has six and the US has as many as 16! This creates some issues with the templates, where half the page is dedicated to cadet ranks, or in the case of the US, it just written "Various".

As far as I can tell, there is no mention in any STANAG 2116 edition, and the addition of OF(D), can be traced back to 7 September 2010, where a 2006 UK report on Women in the military was added in reference to page 6's mention of "OF(OD)", as an "Official NATO source". The designation makes sense when looking at the UK, since it only has a single cadet rank, but becomes an issue when other nations use a whole dedicated rank structure for their cadet ranks. This is of course also incorrect as "OF(OD)" doesn't exist within NATO.

OR ranks

As you have noticed, with especially the US, there is an increase in nations using various special NCO/enlisted appointments (not ranks). E.g. SEAC et al., which are, like OFD, filling up the templates with unique and to an extend incomparable insignia. According to STANAG 2116 of 1975: "Unusual ranks and grades which are virtually unique to a nation are to be excluded from the code system and explained by footnotes to the appropriate Annex."

Solution

Trawl through every single rank template and remove mentions of OFD and senior enlisted appointments (SEA), eventually also removing the OFD from the top bar.

OFD and SEA removed from the comparative rank templates can then be placed on the national rank page. If there is a known correlation to standard ranks, the removed ranks can be placed like Lithuanian Specialist ranks. If the ranks and appointments are outside the normal structure, they can be placed in separate tables like at Botswana. Going the Botswana-route will also allow for other appointments insignia to be added, such as band insignia etc.

It is a lot of work, and it is going to take a long time, which is why I wanted to hear your opinion on it, especially, since there aren’t that many other editors who work on the templates.

Best Skjoldbro (talk) 11:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Skjoldbro, before getting to your suggested solution, a similar solution is what I was forming from your points. I have already done similar for ranks that are variations on that standard ranks systems countries use for the NATO coding, such as with British army ORs. I am happy to proceed with your suggestion, with my only change being (if you support it), having something in the main template that provides a link to the correct article/article section detailing the Cadet/Student/Designate ranks. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I have seen the table for UK OR. Hmm, I'm a bit apprehensive about that, as I can't really see how you would go about doing it. What were you thinking? Skjoldbro (talk) 16:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

As an example:

NATO code	OF-10		OF-9		OF-8		OF-7		OF-6		OF-5		OF-4		OF-3		OF-2		OF-1
United States Air Force
	General of the Air Force		General		Lieutenant general		Major general		Brigadier general		Colonel		Lieutenant colonel		Major		Captain		First lieutenant			Second lieutenant			Cadet / Officer trainee
New version	OF-10		OF-9		OF-8		OF-7		OF-6		OF-5		OF-4		OF-3		OF-2		OF-1

-- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand. Seeing as all countries have a different number of cadet ranks, and especially seeing that "OF(D)" and "Student officer" are not ranks or codes within NATO, I am planning a complete removal of these two titles from the Template:Ranks and Insignia of NATO Armed Forces/OF/Blank and all related templates (result seen above). However, only after all mentions have been moved from rank templates to appropriate rank pages. Skjoldbro (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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Revert

the RAFAC are no longer known as the Air Training Corps and hasn't for a long time. Please remove your revert. Joddd334 (talk) 20:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Joddd334: I have been unable to find sources detailing this change, if you have sources please share them. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:13, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

There was never a big announcement it was just a change that gradually happened. It became particularly prominent post CFC when the term "Air Training Corps" became less used and "RAF Air Cadets" became more common. RAF wanted to have their name in the organisation to show that they were sponsors of the corps Joddd334 (talk) 23:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

@Joddd334: Without a reliable source stating the change as official, the article will remain in a state that is in line with our current reliable sources. And with your description it seems that it's not a change to the actual entities that has occurred and more so something members have just adopted in a linguistic shift. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 13:28, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

please find me sources thar say it is still the "ATC", when the RAF website doesn't state "ATC" anywhere. Joddd334 (talk) 13:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

here -- Cdjp1 (talk) 18:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

from 2007. Show me anywhere on this website, https://www.raf.mod.uk/aircadets/cadets/being-a-cadet/, where lt says "Air Training Corps" or ATC? Joddd334 (talk) 08:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Indian Navy's epaulettes

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User:Cdjp1 - I largely agree with you, that the biography of a living person does not appear to be ready for article space. However, Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and the originator has chosen to bypass the draft process, and the guideline is clear that an originator may bypass the draft review process, see objecting to draftification. When an originator has chosen to bypass draft review, the article is in article space. Your choices and mine include nominating the article for deletion, tagging the article, reducing the article to a stub, or expanding the article. I don't plan to nominate the article for deletion, and do not recommend that it be nominated for deletion, because it is my opinion that the subject is notable. There isn't a procedure for enforcing a review from draft over the objection of the originator (and moving the article from draft to article is a means of objecting), except in the case of authors with conflict of interest, which this does not appear to be. If you have any further questions about how other editors can deal with an article that is moved into article space without review, we can discuss at the Village Pump or the Articles for Creation talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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Soviet POWs death toll

I see that you're a frequent editor of the list of genocides page, and regularly edit and also format sources. There's a discussion between me and another user on the page "German atrocities committed against Soviet prisoners of war", where the work of Peter Calvocoressi and Guy Wint estimating 3.5 million Soviet POWs dead has been labeled as being WP:FRINGE and non-academic, yet it is cited as the upper limit on "List of genocides". Also, the work of Russian historians Boris Sokolov and Viktor Zemskov has been labeled WP:FRINGE, so I would appreciate input on the matter. Reaper1945 (talk) 03:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Reaper1945 I may not get to this till tomorrow evening, but I can look refresh my knowledge on current literature, and act accordingly. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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I reverted your edit (again). Sorry, but changing (to take one example) {sfnm |Masalha |2012 |1pp=13 and 128 |2a1=Abu-Lughod |2a2=Sa'di |2y=2007 |2p=19} to {sfnm|Masalha|2012|1pp=13 and 128|2a1=Abu-Lughod|2a2=Sa'di|2y=2007|2p=19} makes the citation worse, not better. I'm not sure if this was just a mistake or an intentional change? Levivich (talk) 03:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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My apologies, rather new to the whole process. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

No worries, we're well under way now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Baloch Genocide

I am new to wiki and I need some help in the article If you could for the baloch genocide

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June 2024

Can you please self-revert this edit as it violates the 1RR restrictions. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 17:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Since you are clearly ignoring this request, you leave me with no choice but to report it to the admins. M.Bitton (talk) 17:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

From my reading of the 3/1 RR rule, it counts against the individual editor, and so would not apply to my recent edit. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

It's your second revert within 4 hours (that's a violation of 1RR). I take it you have no intention of self-reverting. M.Bitton (talk) 17:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

No, that is my first edit on the article today. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Here's your first revert. M.Bitton (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok, if your issue is with Allegations article, then 1RR still does not apply, as the reversions are completely different sections and information. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait, I'm confused, is your issue with the Palestine genocide accusation article, or the Allegations in 2023 article? -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I linked to the diff, so there should be no confusion. M.Bitton (talk) 17:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

You linked to two completely different articles in your first two messages. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I linked to the diff that you need to self-revert. The other article was to prove that you have read and ignored my request. M.Bitton (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Well it doesn't prove that, it shows I was editing after you had posted your first message. I didn't open my notifications until after your second message. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

That's no longer an issue since you made it clear that you have no intention of self-reverting. M.Bitton (talk) 18:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I was trying to figure out what your claim actually was, sorry for that. Since I now understand the article and issue at hand, I will undo my recent change to keep the peace. But the opening still needs amending as currently it doesn't read right for it's purpose as a lede, as detailed in my edit commentary. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 18:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

For the record, this comment was in regards to the Palestine genocide accusation article, as that was the article I mistakenly thought was under discussion, and so my supposed revert there was the first I had done on that page. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 18:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok, if your issue is with Allegations article, then 1RR still does not apply is what you said. M.Bitton (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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Request for “peer review”

Hey, as there have been some complaints about the sources, I’m currently in the process of creating a table for the sources I dug up in the move discussion. Acknowledging that it’s probably a pain, would you mind giving it a quick look (on facts only, you’re under no obligations to endorse) once I’m done? As it’s a foreign language to most, I don’t want them to only be able to rely on my word and translation, and your user page lists German as a language. FortunateSons (talk) 21:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try and run some tomorrow. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Great, depending on when tomorrow is for you, I might be done or mostly done by then :) FortunateSons (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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Regarding your edit to Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Israeli attack on Gaza

Did you intentionally effectively undo one of my citation format changes here at line 250? If so, I formatted it that way for a reason, because it's a pleading in a court case. If you're trying to maintain consistency, consider {{cite court}}, which also deviates a bit from the usual citation templates' format to use legal citation style, in accordance with at least the Chicago Manual of Style (that's the one I'm actually experienced with and can directly attest to, I hesitate to generalize about other style guides). (This is also just a bit too unusual of a citation [ICJ, ongoing, and still too early for even the orders to have been published in the ICJ reporter] to use that template; believe me, that was the first thing I reached for.) Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 16:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I did go ahead and reverse your re-addition of the New York Times "Read the ICJ ruling" source from the same edit. There's nothing on that page except an embed of the same PDF that's in the direct citation to the ICJ website that you kept. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 16:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

My apologies, I'm less familiar with citing legal proceedings, I've adapted it to the cite court template. If I've got anything wrong in the template, please correct it. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 16:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

It's still not quite right but I need to leave for church and it's not unusably broken or anything, just not in the proper format. I'll fix it when I get back, but I'd also like to explain to you why I think trying to force it into {{cite court}} is more confusing than helpful, if you'd be willing to indulge me. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 17:04, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh my god, well for one thing, I was just looking back over what I said and I realized how consider {{cite court}} sounds 😭 What I was actually trying to say was that {{cite court}} demonstrates that it's normal to deviate from the usual citation format into a specifically legal citation format when you're citing court cases, based on how it's different from the typical CS1 style. It was probably so confusing when I said that, you tried your best to make it work, and then I said "actually {{cite court}} sucks" LOL. I'm so sorry. This is ultimately good though, because that {{cite court}} usage has gotten me to realize that even if it is normal to deviate to a legal citation format, in those citations I wrote I was sticking a bit too strictly to specifically Bluebook format, with stuff like the dates for instance. (So I can still use this to improve the consistency of my citations.) I can still give that explanation if you'd like but the point of it was mostly going to be to justify not using {{cite court}} since I wasn't sure why you did, but now that I realize I just phrased stuff weirdly and you misunderstood me I'm not so sure that it's necessary. Kinsio (talk ★ contribs) 18:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit summary

I also noticed that your edit summary for the edit we discussed didn't appear to adequately describe the change you made. Specifically, your edit summary didn't reflect your deletion of He further added, "We have been accustomed to genocidal rhetoric that comes from Hamas ...", which is a pretty significant change not to mention. I'm investigating and trying to figure out what I want to do about the edits introducing and reintroducing that passage and it would've been much easier to navigate if I didn't have to figure out that the deletion was tucked away in an edit summarized as formatted some of the references. Just try to keep that in mind in the future, thanks :) Kinsio (talk ★ contribs ★ rights) 00:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

In case

... my edit summary at Holodomor was ambiguous: I don't want to discourage you from improving the reference formatting, but please fix your script so that it doesn't introduce hundreds of meaningless whitespace changes, as that makes reviewing the change history effectively impossible. That would be much appreciated. Thank you! Gawaon (talk) 18:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Settler colonialism

I see you reverted to an inaccurate description of ‘settler colonialism’. Not sure why. ‘Settler colonialism’ is an academic theory. By definition, ‘settler colonialism’ is not something that occurs; rather, it is a theory used by _some_ scholars to _describe_ something that occurs. It is not a thing or a fact; it’s a sociological theory.

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I'm not sure this is the case. Does our article on andesite say "Andesite is a human-made classification for certain types of rocks depending on its formation and silica content"? or "Genocide is a sociological theory invented by Raphael Lemkin and a legally defined crime according to the Genocide Convention"? (t · c) buidhe 15:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Genocide Sidebare

Hello, I came across the back and forth on two different version of the side bar. There is the original longstanding version and the proposed one you reinstated here. Though looking at the talk page, it doesn’t seem consensus was reached on changing to the new version you reverted to. Despite both sides of the aisle saying “see talk page” in their edit diffs. Seems like an edit war going on.

Is there going to be a RFC to decide between the two versions? And until then shouldn’t the original version remain until the results are in?

It is causing confusion as with the current version, the sidebar is being removed from all originally listed Genocide example articles listed prior since all those events are removed in the new proposed version. Cheers. OyMosby (talk) 15:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

From my reading of the discussion, there is greater support for not listing any genocides in the sidebar, based largely on the argument that it crosses over into OR. The "{{Genocide topics}}" template currently uses different logic, and has a more expansive list than the sidebar had, so that may help. In discussing with other editors over the inclusion of the sidebar, there are the articles Genocides in history and List of genocides, as well as the [[Category:Genocides]] (and it's subcategories), where if there is any argument that an event is genocidal in nature, it should be added to the category. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 16:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Removing space before slash in <ref> tags

Just curious because I noticed part of the "formatting" you did in your latest edit to Gaza genocide was removing spaces before the slash in self-closing <ref> tags of existing citations: is that considered bad? The only straight(ish) answer I could get from googling around is that the only reason it's ever been necessary is for compatibility in XHTML documents, per this Stack Overflow question (well, one answer claims that [t]he proper way to do it is without the extra space as this is something XHTML inherited from XML, but I don't really follow the logic of how that would make either way more or less "proper"). Kinsio (talk ★ contribs ★ rights) 20:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Not really any reason. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 20:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Centro Universitario de la Guardia Civil

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Wikiproject

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Formatting references

I noticed you are formatting some references. Do you do all this work manually, or is there some tooling out there to help with this? DMH223344 (talk) 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@DMH223344: there's probably some tools I could find, or I could build some script to automate a bunch of it, but no, it's all manual. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Can you share some guidlines on formatting? Another question I had was: I noticed you added `page needed` when citations included a chapter reference. Isnt it enough to just point a reader to a specific chapter? DMH223344 (talk) 15:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

epubs for example often do not have page numbers DMH223344 (talk) 15:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I do think it should be sufficient to provide a quote. Even my pdf copy of "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" somehow does not have page numbers (pdf page numbers would not correspond to the print copy page numbers). DMH223344 (talk) 15:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Epubs are a bane in my work. If we don't have the page numbers easily at hand, the chapter and quote should suffice. I added the "page needed" template for every citation where they had the "pages" parameter present, but did not list a page. I have most of the books which have the "page needed" template beside them in that article, so I should be able to pull them, but I can't promise this will be any time soon.

As to "guidance", I just fill out as many of the parameters in the relevant template as possible, if I'm working from the source. If I am converting an unformatted reference to a relevant template, it's picking the most appropriate template and just adding the parameters that are already present. If I'm not being too lazy, I may check the original source to fill out additional parameters. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 17:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

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Assistance with new article: Their Morals and Ours: The class foundations of moral practice

Hello @Cdjp1

A new article has been created on "Their Morals and Ours: The class foundations of moral practice" by Leon Trotsky. However, the same citations have been used more than one and would welcome some assistance in fixing this formatting issue.

The page can be accessed via here: Their Morals and Ours: The class foundations of moral practice

WikiUser4020 (talk) 21:17, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

You could have just formatted them right from the beginning. I will roll through and correct them, at some point. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 21:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cdjp1, the issue seems to have been resolved but do have a second look in case there any errors. WikiUser4020 (talk) 12:04, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

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Unaware of WP:BRD ?

Please read WP:BRD.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wikaviani please see list criteria. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Though you also seem to misunderstand the order of BRD, so maybe step away from it before waving it around wantonly. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Could you clarify how I misunderstand the order of WP:BRD ? B means that you can make a bold edit, R means that said edit is reverted and D means that if the edit is reverted then instead of reverting back, the editor should discuss their edit. You edited the article by removing a bunch of sourced content, I reverted your edit and at that point, you should've gone to the talk in order to explain your edit instead of reverting back.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Discussion should occur before when you claim, I would have hoped you'd have learnt that by now. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

To aid your understanding, B was the addition, R was my action, D should have then occurred. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it works like that, since so far, you have reverted two different editors, which is all but a convenient behaviour.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Except that is the process, your misreading of it does not matter. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Then we have a disagreement about the process, what you say is tantamount saying that when an editor reverts a bold edit, then this editor has the right to revert repeatedly that edit no matter if another editor makes the same edit. Anyway, not a big deal.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

If it is not a big deal why bring it up? I understand why you have been sanctioned previously for editwarring if you have this fundamental a misunderstanding of the process. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 13:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I was sanctioned for edit-warring, true, but that does not mean that everything I say or do is wrong. Wish you a great rest of your day. Goodbye.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

No, it's your wrong actions that show what you do is wrong. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 13:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

If everytime one edit of yours is reverted, you get angry and aggressive like that, then maybe you should question your own behaviour.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

You may be projecting, as you're the one who decided to badger this as a discussion here. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 13:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

According to this thread, you were right about WP:BRD, thus I owe you an apology. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 07:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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