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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 13:43, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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Arrow-class oil tanker

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Arrow-class oil tanker Japan Arrow in 1929
Arrow-class oil tanker Japan Arrow in 1929
  • ... that during World War II, the name of an Arrow-class oil tanker, SS Japan Arrow, was changed by the American government to "avoid any unfortunate association of ideas"? (see ALT1 below)
  • Source:

"In February 1942, after Pearl Harbor, Japan Arrow was renamed American Arrow, to avoid any unfortunate association of ideas." https://www.aukevisser.nl/mobil/id636.htm
"..as Japan Arrow (later renamed American Arrow).." https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/c/chotauk.html

    • Reviewed:

Created by PhoenixCaelestis (talk) and GGOTCC (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

PhoenixCaelestis • Talk • Contributions 11:39, 17 March 2025 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - Nearest two citations are several sentences away, and neither seem to contain this quote. Also, the quote itself isn't in the article, though a close paraphrase is.
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Overall a well-done article, and the hook citation issue can presumably be fixed quickly, but I am seriously concerned about whether "Auke Visser's MOBIL Tankers & Tugs Site" is an WP:RS. A self-published source like would be acceptable if they were a subject matter expert, but I can't find any evidence of that. Rusalkii (talk) 00:47, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rusalkii: Japan Arrow has an entry in the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships [[1]] that states that it was renamed in February 1942, however it does not specify the reason. Due to the time period and the events, I do not think it is a stretch to say it was due to the fact that America was now at war with Japan. I'd be willing to rephrase the hook to remove the quote. Perhaps as, "that to avoid association with the enemy during World War II, the name of the Arrow-class oil tanker, SS Japan Arrow, was changed by the American government?" Just a thought for a possible reword. Thanks for taking the time to examine the DYK nomination! PhoenixCaelestis • Talk • Contributions 19:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis: The issue isn't with just the hook, it's how heavily the article in general relies on this source. Rusalkii (talk) 21:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
  • Currently trying one last time to find further evidence of why the name was changed. If I am unable to do so I don't think this nomination will go through, unfortunately. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 14:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
@PhoenixCaelestis: I will close this in 24 hours if evidence isn't provided.--Launchballer 15:31, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
  • I would be willing to do that hook, and I even have a [source for it]. Specifically, I am referring to the chart on page 18; we could alternatively Arthur Gordon's The Mobil Book of Ships: A Century at Sea, which the document itself cites as its source for the chart. However, perhaps a different image could be used for this new hook? "File:Allied tanker torpedoed.jpg" is an infamous photo of Dixie Arrow commonly used to represent Allied shipping losses in the Atlantic as a whole. I'm thinking that one would be good to include, but if there are other ideas/objections I am open to them. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 11:10, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
  • @PhoenixCaelestis: If you propose the above image for the ALT1 hook, the image must be included in the article itself. As for providing a source, consider using the appropriate citation to the sentence in the lead paragraph. — ERcheck (talk) 17:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
  • @PhoenixCaelestis, Rusalkii, and Launchballer: I take it that PhoenixCaelestis has opted for ALT1 hook in place of the original hook, thus I struck out the original. As far as citations for the hook, see the endnote with citations added. None are from Auke Visser's pages. I also added the sinking of the SS Dixie Arrow photo to the article. However, at 140px, the image is hard to see what is happening, thus, I recommend no image for the nomination. Rusalkii are you satisfied with the citations and sourcing? (These are the two issues that specifically needed to be addressed to pass.) — ERcheck (talk) 05:29, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
Rusalkii has not edited since the 18th and didn't respond to the above ping, so asking for a second opinion: @Launchballer, RoySmith, SL93, and Theleekycauldron:. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
I'm not sure what I'm being asked specifically, but I do agree that the image is poor quality and should not be used. RoySmith (talk) 09:51, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
@RoySmith: Sorry about the vagueness. I was asking for a second opinion regarding the citations and sourcing, as ERcheck raised above. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Of the five sources cited in Note A, uboat.net and nc-wreckdiving.com don't strike me as WP:RS. The later at least lists where they got their information from, so I'd suggest those as a starting point for further research (Jordon, Robert, The World's Merchant Fleets, 1939, Naval Institute Press, 1999 looks the more promising of the two). I note that uboat.net does say "If you can help us with any additional information on this vessel then please contact us", so I suggest doing that and asking what sources they used. RoySmith (talk) 10:17, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
@PhoenixCaelestis: Please let us know if the sourcing issues can be addressed as the nomination has already timed out. If you cannot, this will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
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