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I've edited the article. You can revert, but please respond to this discussion. We have RfC stating explicitly that Tesla wasn't born in any kind of political Croatia at that time. There is no need to emphasyse modern day Croatia. If needed, we can open another RfC for this edit, but I hope that isn't necessary since we already have the recent RfC. Trimpops2 (talk) 16:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC) I'll ping other users from the above discussion (except for IPs): Pincrete, Joy, Binksternet, Chetvorno,  Stepho , ActivelyDisinterested, Sadko, Jalapeño. Can we at least agree on this. Several of you have said that all the info can be seen when followed the link to MF article. Several said that we should't sphasyse Croatia more than needed, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trimpops2 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Trimpops2, please sign your messages on the talk page, and don't make weird unsubstantiated edits to the article. We can all understand that you might be upset that the RFC discussion didn't go your way, but there's no point in disrupting Wikipedia to make some sort of a point. --Joy (talk) 17:03, 22 August 2024 (UTC) I always sign. I'm not upset, I accept the consensus. I'm making a suggestion that most of editors have already made in the previous discussion. Ok, I'll limit my involvement here. I'll just open a brief RfC and post a single comment and leave the discussion. Is that ok for you?Trimpops2 (talk) 17:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Joy you already reverted. What do you suggest? Is another RfC appropriate? Maybe let's hear what others think. My stand is that modern day Croatia shouldn't be emphasysed since Tesla's birthplace wasn't related to Croatia at that time. It would just confuse the readers to think his birthplace was related to Croatia at that time. Trimpops2 (talk) 17:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Let's see what other editors think. Another RfC seems too much as a disruption of Wikipedia and other editors' time. I'll rather opt for a request form invonved editors and I hope we can all agree on this. Trimpops2 (talk) 17:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Request for comment from invoved editors Cannot start an identical request for comment so soon after the last one closed. The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. I pinged other invoved editos. I hope we can avoid another lenghty RfC. I have supported the other side, but I'm willing to accept the consensus above and reach a compromise which would satisfy both sides. The question is: Should we remove mentions of present-day Croatia from the article since we now have a consensus that Tesla's birthplace isn't related to Croatia at that time. YES There's no need to emphasyse preset-day Croatia. Tesla isn't related to Croatia at that time. It's just confusing to editors who might think otherwise. As said by others, we have a link to MF article and all details of political statuses can be read there. Trimpops2 (talk) 17:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Binksternet, has collapsed my comment. I don't want to go to edit warring, so I won't revert again. You can read my purposal in the collapsed section. I'm really not familiar if it's true what he is saying. Trimpops2 (talk) 17:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC) The previous request from you was closed four days ago as "no consensus". That means no changes to the article. And you were warned about bludgeoning the process, but you ignored that and you are here again trying to restart the same discussion. In my opinion, you have used up quite enough of the community's time. It's definitely time to drop the stick and let the status quo stand in place. Binksternet (talk) 17:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC) You have stated in the previous discussion Most of the literature about Tesla and his family de-emphasizes Croatia and instead underlines his Serbian heritage. So the idea of pushing more "Croatia" has no merit. and Tesla biographies place Tesla in Croatia only because that's what it is called today. Croatian culture played very little role in Tesla's upbringing.. And now when I have accepted the above consensus that Tesla's birthplace wasn't related to Croatia at that time in any way, you react like this? I'm open to any suggestion so that your statements above are clearly represented in the article. Please make any suggestion, because the present one is confusing the readers. Trimpops2 (talk) 19:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Ok, we don't need to edit the article. The present text can stay, as long as it's clear what others have stated. That Tesla wasn't born in any variant of a political Croatia, that Most of the literature about Tesla and his family de-emphasizes Croatia and instead underlines his Serbian heritage. So the idea of pushing more "Croatia" has no merit., thatTesla biographies place Tesla in Croatia only because that's what it is called today. Croatian culture played very little role in Tesla's upbringing., that Tesla's relation to Croatia in any way, shape or form is almost non-existing. As long it's clear that this is not a battle between Serbian and Croatia editors as both Serbian and Croatian editors have supported the above consensus. As long as the text from the article is clearly interpreted as Binksternet stated that Croatia is mentioned only because that's what it is called today. Croatian culture played very little role in Tesla's upbringing. Trimpops2 (talk) 20:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Just stop. Binksternet (talk) 20:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Yes, this is my last comment. I apolologize. My problem is that I'm Croatian and I was thought that Tesla was born in Croatia at that time. I can now accept that this is incorrect. Tesla has no relation to Croatia at all, as you stated. Thank you for explaining that. Sometimes it's hard to accept that you were brainwashed by nationalistic propaganda in your own country. But I now can accept that was the case and I apologize. Trimpops2 (talk) 20:17, 22 August 2024 (UTC) They even put Tesla, a person with no relation to Croatia, on Croatian Euro coin. No wonder Serbians are feeling insulted. I apologize for that to Serbian people and Serbian editors here who have tried to objectively explain to me that I was wrong. If there will be any change to remove Tesla from Croatian Euro coin, I'll support that. Sorry, about this digression. I was just trying to explain how brainwashed I was, not that this is the excuse to start RfC and bother people on Wikipedia, but I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I'm not objective. Goodbye. Trimpops2 (talk) 20:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC) Agree with Binksternet. Trimpops2 instant reversal of the POV he so defended the minute he lost the RfC is suspicious. His compulsive beating on this issue on this page long ago crossed the line into tendentious and disruptive editing and I suggest that admin sanctions would be appropriate, perhaps a topic ban. --ChetvornoTALK 06:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC) I have already apologized for pushing nationalistic POV of Tesla being born in Austrian Croatia in the RfC. I have apologized multiple times, including for this discussion. For this discussion I explained that it's confusing to me to mention present-day Croatia on Tesla page when Tesla has absolutely no connection to Croatia at that time. I have accepted Binksternet's explanation that present-day Croatia is mentioned in the article only because Smiljan is today located in Croatia. I'm no longer arguing for any edits to the article. I was just confused with mentioning Croatia when Tesla himself doesn't have any connections to Croatia. If you still think I should be banned, you can open a report. I will admit everything I have done, it was wrong to push Croatian nationalistic propaganda. I can't disagree that maybe the best option is to ban me. I was obviously brainwashed by propaganda in my country regarding this issue. Who knows, maybe I still am brainwashed on other issues, maybe it would be safer to ban so I don't start such a RfC on another article. Sometimes it's hard to accept that that propaganda can brainwash you, but here I am admitting it. Trimpops2 (talk) 08:56, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Problems on Croatian Wikipedia (unsurprisingly)

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The Croatian Wikipedia article on Tesla describes him as a "Croatian-American inventor and engineer of Serbian origin" (hrvatsko-američki izumitelj i inženjer srpskog podrijetla). This is, of course, a 1. useless distinction 2. anachronistic description and 3. Croatian nationalist attempt at rewriting history as consensus on this Wikipedia has reached time and time again; this is not the first time or likely last time insecure Croats on Wikipedia (or elsewhere) have tried their best to promote their version of history by grasping at straws to avoid having to say that Tesla was indeed an ethnic Serb and identified as nothing else (e.g. Croat) ethnically speaking. This wording will also cause issues if the Croatian, Serbo-Croatian and Serbian Wikipedias including their respective articles on Tesla are merged. As I 1. do not speak Serbo-Croatian fluently and 2. do not want to walk into the lion's den that is Croatian Wikipedia as someone part of the Serb diaspora, what can be done regarding this issue on the Croatian Wikipedia? 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 13:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC) Every language version of Wikipedia is independent of each other. Here in English Wikipedia, we only discuss English Wikipedia articles. For Croatian Wikipedia article, you have to go to Croatian Wikipedia. Vanjagenije (talk) 04:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC) Thanks. 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 17:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC) I would also advise re-reading User talk:Bis-Serjetà?#Introduction to contentious topics. Using this project to post off-topic messages about how unnamed people identified by ethnicity or nationality are insecure, promoting their version of history, or in a lion's den is basically a failure to adhere to the principles of WP:ARBMAC and will get you in trouble. --Joy (talk) 09:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC) Thanks. 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 17:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Birthplace

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When the name Nikola Tesla is typed in the browser, the picture of Nikola Tesla along with the place of birth and place of death apear (it is wikipedias article). Why does it say that that he was born in 1856 in CROATIA when Croatia as a country didn’t exist during that time? 178.223.27.180 (talk) 17:16, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

The info box says Smiljan, Austrian Empire and clarifies that Smiljan, is now part of Croatia. Knitsey (talk) 17:35, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Knitsey, the IP is right, google indeed says that he was born in Smiljan, Croatia. It's not a part of the article, but google's summary in the search results. 89.172.121.95 (talk) 21:05, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) was the crown land of the empire Smiljan belonged to at that time. That's why you can see, for instance on Tesla's passport what it was issued by the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmatia. 89.172.121.95, sorry for editing your post. It was a mistake I made when editing. I meant to copy yours to use the page link and edit it around , but instead that I edited over yours. Honest mistake. 192.176.1.84 (talk) 21:57, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

No problems. Yeah, you are right about the crown lands. To make the point more ridiculous, they also have problems with "Croatian Military Frontier" because it contains the word "Croatia" and the same as passport, you can see it in Tesla's documents. I think his highschool diploma has written on Gernam "Croatian Miliatry frontier" 89.172.121.95 (talk) 22:08, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, this one. I'm familiar with it [1]. Yes it does list Croatian Military Frontier. 192.176.1.84 (talk) 22:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Yes, this is the one. Clearly states "Croatian Military Frontier". They chose "Military Frontier" for the article content, because of their claim that Tesla had no connections to Croatia whatsoever, and this word "Croatian" kinda pops out. 89.172.121.95 (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

What to do, don't stress. Let them have their little article :) 192.176.1.84 (talk) 22:41, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

"And They Would Have Gotten Away With It Too, If It Weren't For Us Meddling Kids" ;) 89.172.121.95 (talk) 22:50, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Croatia there refers to Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) which very well existed. You can read it more in the article. 89.172.121.95 (talk) 17:38, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Tesla´s Passport

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Would it be possible to insert a picture of Teslas Passport from the year 1883? --Croq (talk) 10:49, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't see the significance or relevance of this picture. — Sadko (words are wind) 15:02, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

...well It is significant because it is a document that shows his citizenship. He travelled to the USA with that document--Croq (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

...translation: royal croatian, slavonian, dalmatian government...--Croq (talk) 21:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

I see; once again, completely irrelevant. Nothing else to add here. — Sadko (words are wind) 00:57, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

YES his own passport is written in the croatian language and not the serbian language or alphabet as well ,so unless the alphabet is in serbian language, then you could say he was serbian, but he is not, he is in fact croatian and the history books reflect this fact. 2001:8003:4211:3A00:1814:F837:BC18:E763 (talk) 08:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Been discussed before An unreadable document that is not pivotal (its an everyday object) would have very little MOS:PERTINENCE. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 01:15, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

If it is unreadable to you, it does not mean that it is not readable to others. If for you such a document is not pivotal and has very little pertinence, it does not mean that for others it is not pivotal or pertinent. BTW, what is pivotal and pertinent for you? Such thinking is typically pro-Serbian: every document or everything from Croatia is not pivotal, not pertinent, irrelevant or similar. Bravo! --Silverije 23:58, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Its a passport. Its run of the mill and is not there to illustrate something unusual happened, like Tesla lied about his name, faked family members, it was stamped "Rejected" and Tesla was thrown out of the country, etc. So it fails MOS:PERTINENCE. - its primarily decorative, doesn't have clear and unique illustrative purpose and is not an important illustrative aid to understanding. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 18:47, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

It does state Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmatia. Can we at least agree on what's written on it or that's too much for your narrative? 212.15.177.38 (talk) 12:15, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Croq, this discussion can help you understand why some of those users disagree [2]. For instance Sadko has said that "Tesla's relation to Croatia in any way, shape or form is almost non-existing". Undestandable, Tesla's passport being issued by Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmatia is completely irrelevant. How else would his relation to Croatia be almoust non-existing? 78.1.126.217 (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

The only reason to include it would be as a source on Tesla's birth nationality. As such it is a primary source. Unsupported primary sources are not accepted as WP:reliable sources on Wikipedia, see WP:PSTS. It is also misleading, since the text says: ". . . royal Croatian, Slavonian, Dalmatian government . . .", while other WP:RSs in the article make clear there was no internationally recognised Croation government at the time; the name of the geographical area where Tesla was born was the Military Frontier of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. --Chetvorno^TALK 01:12, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

As Trimpops correctly pointed out in the last discussion, the point here is that you disagree with this primary source. And you are trying to supress it from entering the article. It would be a different story if you would agree with the source and had an opinion that it's not needed in the article. Look we can all read the passport which states Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmatia; provintial government. What do you want us others to do, to ignore this primary source and agree with your standpoint that Tesla had absolutely no connections to Croatia? Ok, have it in the article or not, but don't come here to talk page with such falwed claims and delete, ban and supress editors which point this discrepency and bias of yours. 89.172.121.95 (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞?, you mentioned that labeling Tesla as Croatia-American is Croatian-nationalist viewpoint. How do you reconsile him having passport of Kindom of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmata with your viewpoint? You do understand that Serbian American reffers to ethnicity, while Croatian-American to nationality? Those aren't mutually exclusive formulations. Contary to viewpoint that some people have shared here, his passport is a strong primary source. There are also a lot of secondary sources labeling him as Croatian scientist. You do realize that Wikipedia article is using the most common formulation, Serbian American. It does not exclude him being Croatian scientist. 83.131.236.122 (talk) 23:14, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

That's their attitude on this page. They are ignoring sources and valid points. Look at the last discussion that they have urged to be put into archive to be less visible. You'll see how they directly push pov against sources. 89.172.171.27 (talk) 13:42, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Nobody is "ignoring sources and valid points." People here are looking at the passport as a primary source which does not define the topic. WP:SECONDARY sources define the topics on Wikipedia. Primary sources cannot contradict expert analysis. Binksternet (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

The thing is that some would ignore secondary sources that have something to say about his connections with Croatia (which was a country with changing names, just like Italy and pretty much any country in Europe, but somehow Michelangelo gets to be Italian, long before Italy was founded). Some would also ignore MOS:ETHNICITY, which is against mentioning someone's ethnicity, as opposed to mentioning their citizenship. Recently, a user put added a sentence that said that Croatian was taught as Tesla's mother tongue at school, but then some defenders of any mention of anything Croatian said the article was already too long. So let's talk about double standards. 216.9.110.11 (talk) 20:04, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Tesla's diploma states Croatian as mother language. It lists Croatian Military Frontier, and despites they claim how Military Frontier was something completely different than Croatia. Despite the name literally says "Croatian". Tesla himself has said: "I was born in Croatia". This are all valid primary sources. Of course, when primary sources don't go along with their opinion, they wrongly claim that Wikipedia doesn't use primary sources. But there's more, when someone puts forward secondary sources, like Trimpops. They are again ignoring them. Look at what this secondary source says: "Tesla was born an ethnic Serb in Smiljian in the province of Lika in what is today Croatia. At that time, a portion of Croatia was the military frontier district of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the area was referred to as Vojna Krajina". Again they have problems with it stating Croatia. Binksternet, yes , you are ignoring and supressing sources, both primary and secondary. And to be more ridiculous, this doesn't even have anything to do with Tesla. He was just one person born in 19th century Lika. Military Frontier article doesn't have such problems. It clearly lists MF being a part of Croatia, but to say so in Tesla page, it's somehow a nationalistic viewpoint. Sorry, but this isn't objective and if you won't acknowledge this, I'm pointing it for others to see. 89.172.171.27 (talk) 21:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Binksternet. This is completely incorrect. Please read Wikipedia:PRIMARYNOTBAD. To directly quote ""Primary" is not, and should not be, a bit of jargon used by Wikipedians to mean "bad" or "unreliable" or "unusable". Primary sources can be reliable, and they can be used". And this is all speaking of the usage in the article. For discussions and making valid points, primary sources are absoltely allowed to be used. We have a number of secondary sources that you have ignored. Most notably Trimpops' discussion where you have completely ignored it. There's no contradiction with some expert analysis. In the past discussion you have provided no sources to support such claims. This is really unobjective and not how Wikipedia is built. 89.172.171.27 (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

This passport image requires interpretation, which is absent. An independent author must analyze it to determine how important it is to Tesla's nationality. The image by itself is useless. Binksternet (talk) 21:06, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's just incorrect. I've just quoted you Wikipedia guidelines. It is a valid source. Not useless and certainly not to be ignored to formulate comletely opposite claims as you have done. 89.172.171.27 (talk) 21:19, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

It's even ridiculous to claim that someone's passport is useless. Did the border control say to Tesla "ok I see your passport, but it's useless, we need interpretation". It's just ridiculous, but if you want to make such claim , I'll restate the source you are aware of . Secondary source , that is, which does provide the "interpretation" you seek. Just for you ""the village where Tesla was born, is in the province of Lika, and at the time of his birth was a dependent province held by the Austro-Hungarian Empire as part of Croatia and Slavonia.". O'Neill (1944), page 12". Here you go. 89.172.171.27 (talk) 21:32, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Agree with Binksternet. Would require evaluation. Anyway it's not important what words are printed on a passport; what matters is the legal status of the land when Tesla was born. --Chetvorno^TALK 22:21, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Chetvorno Per Wikipedia guidelines, primary sources are valid. This really isn't opened for a debate. It was debated when the guidelines were debated. I've linked you the guidelines. Not only it's valid and a strong primary source, but I've just provided a quote from secodary source as evaluation you seek, which you have just now completely ignored. So please , don't claim that there is no "evaluation". Also, relevant Wiki articles aready describe "the legal status of the land when Tesla was born", but again you are ignoring that as well. 89.172.171.27 (talk) 23:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Chetvorno, in the past 10 years, numerous primary, secondary sources in form on Tesla biographies and historical sources have been presented. I'm sorry, but promoting opinions that Tesla has absolutely no connections to Croatia is unobjective. And I'm really not having that much problems with article body. It correctly states Military Frontier as birthplace and following the link one can read Horvat's source in that article. What I'm having problems with is that some editors on this talk page are promoting opinions that are contary to Wiki articles and contrary to the following sources. This isn't objective and when someone points that out he/she's personally attacked:

• I was born in Croatia - primary source, Tesla's own statement in Tribute to King Alexander
• Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia-Dalmatia, provincial government - primary source, stated on Tesla's passport
• Croatian Military Froniter, primary source, stated on Tesla's 6th grade diploma, [3]
• Tesla was born an ethnic Serb in Smiljian in the province of Lika in what is today Croatia. At that time, a portion of Croatia was the military frontier district of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the area was referred to as Vojna Krajina ...", secondary source, Tesla biography, Bernard Carlson, Tesla: Inventor of the Electric Age, p.13
• the village where Tesla was born, is in the province of Lika, and at the time of his birth was a dependent province held by the Austro-Hungarian Empire as part of Croatia and Slavonia, secondary source, Tesla biography, O'Neill (1944), page 12
• From 1850 the Frontier, Croatia and Slavonia formally constituted a single land, but with separate administration and representation, Horvat, secondary historical source, already included in Military Frontier article
• Manifest...was signed by the Emperor...in 1850. For Croatian-Slavonian Military Border it was concluded...Croatian-Slavonian Military area will remain, as it was up to now, in union with it's mother land and will constitute with it one territorial area, but with separated provincial administration, separated border administration and separated represenation, secondary historical source, M Valentić · 1978, page 48 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.109.138 (talk • contribs)

They are ignoring you , like they ignore these sources. They have directly opposite opinion which they pushed to the article. As already said, this few editors can go againt sources, because Coatians don't think of Tesla to be connected to Croatia. You can see how Croatian editors supported that opinion in the previous discussions. Now and then someone comes, but it's always 5 against one and they usually pesonally attack and ban that editor. 212.15.178.19 (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

But this simply isn't true that they've pushed their opinion into the article. Wikipedia already states that Tesla was born in Croatia. Only some edtiors have an opinion that Tesla has no connections to Croatia, but this isn't present in the article. This article mentions present-day Croatia and links to Military Frontier, and Military Frontier article states that Military Frontier was a part of Kingdom of Croatia at the time of Tesla's birth. Later it was even abolished. What exactly is the problem here? 78.1.98.36 (talk) 21:09, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Go figure. Flawed logic on their end, but I doubt they put much thought into it. In their minds present day Croatia means that the territory of Tesla's birth become Croatian much later and has nothing to do with Tesla. Like the territory of the Roman Empire is nowadays , let's say Romania. You wouldn't say it was Romania during the Roman time. But, it's true that article doesn't state that opinion of theirs and quite contrary, MF article states the opposite. That MF was Croatian Territory when Tesla was born. But you can understand, how they, according to their opinion, don't want to see Croatia stated on Tesla's personal documents. 212.15.178.19 (talk) 21:22, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Observation: Underrepresentation of Croatia in Tesla's Early Biography

The “Early Years” section in many accounts of Nikola Tesla’s life appears to minimize or entirely omit references to Croatia, despite clear historical evidence of its influence on his early development:

1. Birthplace: Tesla was born in Smiljan, which was part of the Croatian Military Frontier within the Austrian Empire. Yet many biographies refer only to the "Military Frontier" or vaguely to Austria-Hungary, omitting any mention of Croatia.
2. Education: Tesla studied at the Higher Real Gymnasium in Karlovac, near Zagreb (60 km / 38 miles from the capitol of Croatia, to be precise). Despite this, some summaries only note that his classes were held in German, ignoring the fact that his high school diploma includes Croatian language coursework, as seen in this primary source.
3. Wording in Patents and Papers: Some references to Tesla’s later patent filings use phrasing like “Smiljan, Lika, border country of Austria-Hungary” — this is often cited without context, giving the impression of no connection to Croatia, even though by that point, the region was incorporated into the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia.
4. Passport Evidence: Tesla’s passport from the period was issued by the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia and written in the Croatian language, further affirming his administrative and cultural ties to Croatia at the time.

Conclusion: The "Early Years" section of Nikola Tesla's life reads like a carefully curated text in order to remove any mention of Croatia. This of course goes in favor of Great Serbian irredentist movement where anything Croatian is negated, and unfortunately moderators of the English Wikipedia Nikola Tesla page seem to be working in collusion with them or at least favor their view of history. 188.252.196.14 (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

There are numerous evidences of serious breaches of Wiki rules and guidelines on this page. I'm sorry to say, but it's a well known rumour that some people are payed to edit Wiki articles to fit their viewpoint. With so many bots and payed agents on social media nowadays, it wouldn't be a surprise Wikipedia is also affected. I've contacted ARBCOM to report a cease and I have the full correspondance with ARBCOM saved. I have made a report and offered to provide evidences of serious violations of Wiki rules and guidelines on this page. They have blatantly refused to see the evidences with a claim that there's no need to see the evidences, since they have reviewed "everything" themselves and found no violations. This is not how an impartial side should work. This is how courts in Russia are working nowadays. Sorry, to say, but if they have made their own rules, they are not in a position to refuse to see evidences violations. They have undermined the principles of Wikipedia. Unfortunately we are living in a world where this kind of behavior has become normality. 78.3.123.45 (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)