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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 17:19, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mongush Buyan-Badyrgy
Mongush Buyan-Badyrgy
  • Source: Khovalyg p. 51 (translated "Khaidyb adopted him, 'exchanging' him for a bar of green tea and several heads of cattle.")
  • ALT1: ... that Mongush Buyan-Badyrgy (pictured) was a founder of the Tuvan People's Republic? Source: e.g. ref 2
  • ALT2: ... that Mongush Buyan-Badyrgy (pictured) helped his country go "right from a feudal system to a society of democratic norms"? Source: quote from here
  • ALT3: ... that Tuvan statesman Mongush Buyan-Badyrgy (pictured) was executed by the same people he helped receive an education? Source: Tuva Online (translated "On March 22, 1932, a death sentence was signed and carried out by zealous revolutionaries. The same ones whom he had sent to study in Moscow, at the Communist University of the Toilers of the East, just a few years earlier, so that the young republic would have its own educated personnel.")
  • ALT4: ... that Tuvan statesman Mongush Buyan-Badyrgy (pictured), although executed as an "enemy of the people" in 1932, is now a revered figure in the region? Source: Atazttyk / Andreevna p. 48 / Khovalyg p. 67
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dan Bull (politician)
  • Comment: Probably one of the most difficult articles I've ever written. I had to go back and forth between so many Russian journals! :)
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 317 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:09, 12 March 2025 (UTC).[reply]

@BeanieFan11: Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig is clean. I see no reason why this might deserve a maintenance template, though I did see one non-disqualifying WP:CLUMP in there that I'd expect a competent GA reviewer to pick up on. ALT1 is boring and I suspect that ALT0 may be affected by the DYKFICTION RfC on WT:DYK; of the others, my preference is ALT2. I don't think this is a DYK issue, but you might want to go through some of the Harvard citations and check that they marry up with the correct Bibliography entries; I have User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js and it's picking up a few errors.--Launchballer 19:56, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I noticed the citation issue as well but couldn't seem to figure out how to correct them. It looks like the Markus, Mongush & Devlet and Shoigu & Shoigu refs seem to link correctly but then the others don't. Do you have any idea what the issue might be? By the way, do you think Buyan-Badyrgy would be a good GA candidate? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When using the "author" field, make sure that it marries with whatever you put in "sfn". I think this is worth sending to GA, with the caveat that although I have around 20+ GAs myself, I have never actually carried out a review.--Launchballer 20:33, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

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Passed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:15, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs) 21:39, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 11:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


I'll take this review. Comments to follow shortly. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:10, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, this is a fantastic article on a time and space underrepresented on Wikipedia. I've done a thorough spot-check of the sources and all seems to be good, while there are only a couple of prose nitpickings. I'll done a little copyedit, and will leave the following up to your discretion:

  • A map would be useful.
  • "A leading figure" occurs twice in the lead
    • I changed the one to A top official in the ruling Tuvan People's Revolutionary Party (TPRP)... – does that work?
  • "In later years" in the lead should be more specific; perhaps "following the collapse of the Soviet Union"?
    • Changed to that.
  • "Buyan-Badyrgy's adoptive father showed great concern in his upbringing. Receiving a good education, he was distinguished by his intelligence as he grew up." is rather clunky.
    • Tried rewording it – Khaidyp showed great concern in the upbringing of Buyan-Badyrgy, providing him with a good education / and merged the distinguished part to the next sentence. Does that work?
  • "According to an account by Russian researcher V. Rodevich who visited Tuva, although not considered entirely accurate" see WP:FALSETITLE, and you might want to elucidate on which parts may not be accurate.
    • As for the false title. I changed it to According to an account by the Russian researcher V. Rodevich – is that how its fixed? Regarding the accuracy, the source states On this occasion, the Russian researcher Vs. Rodevich, who visited Tuva in 1906-1909, wrote: 'In place of the deceased Prince Khaidub (Khaidyp), his relative (i.e. adopted son – M.M.), a young, poorly educated Soyot (Tuvinian), was appointed Khemchik Prince in Ulyasutai. His policy towards the Russians has not yet become clear, but he began to rule his own Khemchik Soyots harshly... The new prince was entrusted only with the Khemchik khoshun, and the principality of Beisi (Beezi – M.M.) was not subordinated to him.' This is far from a complete description, compiled from rumors, and suffers from a number of errors and inaccuracies. The Buyan-Badyrgy, whom he called 'poorly educated,' was in fact a highly educated person for his time. From an early age, he mastered Mongolian and Tibetan literacy, thanks to his mentor, his adoptive father, Noyon Khaidyb. He also knew Russian quite well. The main issue seemed to be that Rodevich called Buyan-Badyrgy "poorly educated", something I didn't include in the quote, but I'm not sure whether there's other issues with it... Wondering if I should just remove the quote entirely, or if I should add some sort of note to it that Tuva.Asia noted it was inaccurate in several areas. Thoughts?
      • Maybe just remove it, if it suffers from "a number of errors and inaccuracies".
        • Cut.
  • "Khovalyg" should be given a short description at his first appearance.
    • Changed first mention to According to Salimaa Khovalyg in the Bulletin of Eurasia.
  • There are multiple instances where the text states something like "Buyan-Badyrgy was described as [...]" without it being clear who said this and why their opinion matters.
    • I think I addressed each instance of that. E.g. Buyan-Badyrgy was described by historian Tyntchtykbek Tchoroev as... The only one I didn't give an explanation of who/why for was while S. A. Natsov described him as a "famous figure" well known..., given that Natsov is described shortly before as a Comintern representative, though I could repeat it if you want. Let me know if I missed any quotes.
  • There are quite a few instances of overuse of the passive voice, which hinders clarity. Especial overuse of "being" clauses and phrases.
    • Tried to cut some of the "being" phrases. Let me know if that's any better or if I should do more re-wording.
  • If possible, how five people described only as "youths" could lead a coup d'etat should be explained.
    • Hmm... it doesn't seem all that clear... The coup article only states that With support from the Soviet Union, five Tuvan youths successfully overthrew the government, / In January 1929 during the Second Plenary Session of the Central Committee, five of the youths educated in Moscow launched a successful coup d'état, deposing Prime Minister Donduk and his faction. – and I'm not seeing that much on how they did it in my cited sources either... (I can send you the translated text relating to it if you like). Thoughts?
      • Salchak Toka says "Meanwhile, five Tuvan graduates of the Communist University of the Toilers of the East were appointed commissars extraordinary to Tuva. Their loyalty to Stalin ensured that they would pursue policies, such as collectivization, that Donduk had ignored. A coup was launched in 1929." That would work well enough, if you could find sources for it? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:52, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        • Searching Toka's name with 'Buyan-Badyrgy' and '1929', the best thing I found was Tuva.Asia. It states Returning home in 1929, [Toka] became a party member in the district bureau of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) RSTK ... In the second half of 1929, on the orders of the Executive Committee of the Comintern, class struggle meetings and a purge of the party from former officials and lamas of the TPR who occupied leadership positions were held in the TPR. On October 16, 1929, at a meeting of the Politburo, where S. Toka took part, 16 former leaders of the party and government, including the former General Secretary of the Central Committee of the TPRP M. Buyan-Badyrgy, were subjected to reprisals. Soon, at the VIII Congress of the TPRP (September 20-November 10, 1929), which mainly brought together illiterate poor people, I. Shagdyrzhap was elected General Secretary of the Central Committee of the TPRP, and S. Toka was elected Secretary. Not seeing the Commissars in my sources. Meanwhile, in Khovalyg, it says,

With the support of the Comintern, since 1928 the "left" increasingly actively pursued a line of cleansing the People's Revolutionary Party of "alien elements", "expressing dissatisfaction with the attitude of the seconded Soviet workers to the former officials, in particular to Buyan-Badyrgy" ... the main accusation brought against Buyan-Badyrgy at the 2nd Plenum of the Tuvan People's Revolutionary Party, which took place from 7 to 11 January 1929, was not these sins, but his princely title, the position of ruler of the khoshun, and support of the clergy and former officials ...

The political struggle that had begun between the "left" and the "right" brought Buyan-Badyrgy's career to its logical end. The great master of compromises, necessary in the policy of concessions, was accused of "political chameleonism" and of supporting the right deviation, which did not correspond to the "Arat ideology". In late December 1928 - early January 1929, the 4th Congress of the TRSM took place, with the support of party members, sharply criticizing the policy of the so-called "right", whose leader was called Buyan-Badyrgy. Then the second joint plenum of the Central Committee and the Central Control Commission of the TPRP condemned the policy of the "right" and renewed the composition of the Central Committee. And at the VIII Congress of the TPRP in October-November 1929, the former chairman of the Central Committee of the TRSM Irgit Shagdyrzhap 101 and Salchak Toka, who had just graduated from the Communist University of the Toilers of the East, were elected as secretaries of the Central Committee. The so-called "leftists" came to the leadership of the party and the state. Some of them first joined the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and strictly followed the instructions and directions received from there. The Board of the Eastern Secretariat of the Comintern fully approved the decisions of the VIII Congress of the TPRP 102.

Buyan-Badyrgy was expelled from the party and removed from his post by the decision of the Supreme Council of the TPRP on October 16, 1929. At that time, he and 16 other former leaders were already under arrest.

Otherwise, all good. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:43, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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