Talk:Mehul Choksi
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Citizenship
[edit]The Special:Diff/1027879468 changed the citizenship from Antigua and Barbuda to India. The cited first source claim a statement from the Antiguan minister that they have moved to rescind the Antiguan citizenship. The second source states that he has not renounced his Indian citizenship after acquiring Antiguan. The last source states that he has acquired new citizenship, and claims from Indian agencies that he is still a citizen of India. Nowhere any source says he holds Indian citizenship unanimously, and not Antiguan. -- DaxServer (talk) 07:34, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- Correction: The second source does not state he has not renounced his Indian citizenship. It states what the government official told it and how India would argue in Dominican court. -- DaxServer (talk) 07:50, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
March 2025 editing dispute
[edit]@Austintaker and Elenamatthew: Please discuss the recent (large) changes to the article here, on the talk page, instead of reverting back and forth. Continuing to do so is a violation of the three-revert rule, and can result in blocks for everyone involved, no matter who is "correct". Iiii I I I (talk) 07:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- You have engaged in the same. The new sources and details were all added. However you are reverting back to the original biased article. Elenamatthew (talk) 11:10, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Elenamatthew: when you say
"you have engaged in the same"
, who are you addressing there? AFAICT, Iiii I I I has not edited this article, they were merely making you aware of the consequences of continuing your content dispute. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:49, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Elenamatthew: when you say
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The article is biased and I added relevant updated articles such as https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/06/businessman-mehul-choksi-who-alleges-indian-kidnap-plot-wins-antiguan-court-ruling and https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12816321/Special-envoy-Britain-lives-8million-Mayfair-mansion-near-Ritz-planned-honeytrap-plot-kidnap-diamond-tycoon-Caribbean-Delhis-orders.html
- He has not been declared a fugitive yet. He is allegedly a fugitive. [1]
- He has not been convicted of any crimes. It is still alleged. They are merely accusations. [2]
- The Interpol Red Corner Notice was cancelled. [3]
- He won the Asia Pacific Entrepreneurship Award [4]
- The case in Antigua and Dominica was dropped due to the abduction [5]
Please correct your materials accurately and not put a one sided article. It is libelous to be posting information about a person from websites that have no source materials. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elenamatthew (talk • contribs) 11:32, March 27, 2025 (UTC)
- It wasn't made clear what administrative action is required here, therefore I have pulled down the admin-help flag. If something is required, please be clear what.
- @Elenamatthew: please remember to sign your comments on all talk pages. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
- I've reverted the page to what I think is the last good revision from August 2023. I looked through edits made by Austintaker, Justicelyleague, and LeonardoBamboo (who are probably the same person) and found that most of it was poorly written refbombs from bad sources that talk about completely unrelated events. For example:
The Republic World has made it clear that the morning of May 24 was when the actual staged ‘kidnapping’ began.[6] At 6 am, Emmanuel and Cole arrived at North Finger to pick up Choksi.[7] He boarded the dinghy and seemed very nervous as he had bruises on the face to which Emmanuel asked is everything right but without giving any proper answer,[8] he got inside the ferry with a hope that is carefully crafted plan would work. [9]
- Republic World/Republic TV is a deprecated source known for spreading hoaxes and misinformation. It cannot be used as a source.
- All four citations listed are about Choksi's bail and medical issues. There is no mention of the details of his kidnapping in any of the news articles, so it goes without saying that they do not back up the statements they are cited next to.
- It's written like fanfiction, which is the wrong tone expected of an encyclopedia.
- These accounts seem to be editing with a clear WP:AGENDA, which doesn't mean Elenamatthew isn't also doing the same thing - several accounts have tried to remove negative information from the article over the years (Haxonit, United Democracy). --Iiii I I I (talk) 00:19, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thread about these issues at WP:ANI. Iiii I I I (talk) 08:15, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
- I cut the Republic World part before seeing this, it should never be used. I've also removed some self-published sources per WP:BLPSPS. The whole Rijock's report section needs to be looked over, the sources attribute details to Rijock but are article states the details in wikivoice. Attribution to Rijock needs to be added at least, I also wonder if the size of the section is due. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 11:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/mumbai-news/no-proof-given-by-ed-to-declare-mehul-choksi-a-fugitive-says-lawyer-101715587292792.html.
{{cite web}}: Missing or empty|title=(help) - ^ https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/pnb-loan-scam-accused-mehul-choksi-not-in-country-antiguas-foreign-minister-2695810-2025-03-19.
{{cite web}}: Missing or empty|title=(help) - ^ https://sundayguardianlive.com/news/cbi-hosted-interpol-chief-even-after-choksi-action.
{{cite web}}: Missing or empty|title=(help) - ^ https://www.jckonline.com/editorial-article/mehul-choksi-wins-apeas-outstanding-entrepreneurship-award/?.
{{cite web}}: Missing or empty|title=(help) - ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/06/businessman-mehul-choksi-who-alleges-indian-kidnap-plot-wins-antiguan-court-ruling.
{{cite web}}: Missing or empty|title=(help) - ^ "Mehul Choksi gets bail for treatment". The Times of India. 2021-07-13. ISSN 0971-8257. Retrieved 2024-11-14.
- ^ "Mehul Choksi Granted $10k Bail to Seek Specialized Medical Attention in Antigua | WINNFM 98.9". 2024-11-13. Retrieved 2024-11-14.
- ^ "Mehul got bail "strictly for medical treatment" by Dominica's court - Writeups24". writeups24.com. 2021-07-12. Retrieved 2024-11-14.
- ^ "Mehul Choksi: How PNB Scam Turned A Diamond Merchant Into India's Top Wilful Defaulter". Outlook Business. 2022-12-21. Retrieved 2024-11-13.
Check original sources
[edit]The validity of the report stating the details of the staged kidnapping, including all bribes, meetings etc is questioned. There is no proof provided for any of the allegations or investigation in Kenneth Rijocks report which was used as the source for all the articles of the Indian Media. It was first found on Wic news and Associates Times which do not list sources, journalists or legitimate contact details. The company Associates Times LLC does not exist in the Florida Trade register. I appreciate the investigation being done to provide a fair narrative. I urge you to continue to find the sources. I have, as pointed out above a conflict of interest. And will refrain from editing the article. I will however urge you to keep researching and reporting. I would like to flag the news sources quoted in several of the articles. Specifically Wic news and the Associates Times. Elenamatthew (talk) 15:00, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Where is the proof or any sources in this report. Also please note all the typos. Kenneth Rijock Report this is the one quoted in your source India Today and NDTV. Please keep digging deeper. Elenamatthew (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Here is the link for your ease of finding Kenneth Rijock Report Elenamatthew (talk) 15:37, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- Nobody is going to act on such vague assertions. I'm quite prepared to believe that some of the content of this article has been 'questioned'. Many things are questioned, but that doesn't mean those asking the questions have some sort of right to demand that Wikipedia engages in what appears to be investigative journalism. And no, we do not expect that the sources we cite themselves cite all the sources they base their material on. That would be absurd, and result in endless ever-more-convoluted cycles of demands. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2025 (UTC)