Talk:Land of Punt

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About the location of the Land of Punt

I find it surprising that not more weight is given to the homonymity between Puntland and the Land of Punt. On Queen Hatsheput's temple relief, a Queen Ati of Punt (Pwenet) is depicted, with uncommonly big buttocks. It would suggest in any case an African origin for this queen. The relief describes quite a long sea voyage, which makes it likely Hatsheput's expedition left the Red Sea and entered the Sea of Berbera, previously called Erythrean Sea. Legends and folklore in Northern Somalia (Somaliland and Puntland) speaks of Queen Arawelo from the Sanaag region that straddles both regions. In the different versions of the legend, a matriarchy is mentioned. Again, this points to Puntland/Sanaag as a likely location for the Land of Pwenet described in Hatsheput's annals. On the other hand, since the evidence obtained from analysing baboon hairs is contradictory, why not remove it entirely from this article? It also assumes that baboon populations have remained static over thousands of years; on what basis? My suggestion is therefore to emphasize that Puntland is the most likely location for the ancient land of Punt, while alluding to the debates - but perhaps in shorter form. Robert Kluijver (talk) 00:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert Kluijver (talk • contribs) 00:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification needed: What is/are antyue?

Re: Pharaoh Sahura's expedition to Punt, what are the goods he returns with? What is the definition for antyue, and the source for this line? I couldn't find a definition online. 100.15.131.207 (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source needed

Source needed for, "This referred to the fact that it was among the regions of the Sun God, that is, the regions located in the direction of the sunrise, to the East of Egypt." 151.196.12.204 (talk) 05:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2025

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Proposed Revisions:

1. Introduction:

• Current Text: The article presents various hypotheses regarding the location of the Land of Punt, including regions in the Horn of Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.

• Proposed Text: “Recent multidisciplinary research, including isotope analysis of mummified baboons and archaeological discoveries, increasingly supports the identification of the ancient Land of Punt with the modern Puntland region in northeastern Somalia.”

2. Scientific Evidence Supporting Puntland:

Isotope Analysis of Mummified Baboons (2020): • Proposed Addition: “A study analyzing oxygen isotope ratios in mummified baboons from ancient Egypt indicates that these animals originated from a region consistent with Puntland’s geography and climate. This finding aligns with the hypothesis that Punt was located in the Horn of Africa.”

Flora and Fauna Correlation: Proposed Addition: “Descriptions of Punt in ancient Egyptian texts highlight products such as frankincense and myrrh, as well as animals like giraffes and leopards. These species and products are indigenous to the Puntland region, supporting its identification as Punt.”

3. Archaeological and Historical Evidence: Proposed Addition: “Excavations in Puntland have uncovered artifacts indicative of ancient trade relations with Egypt, including pottery and inscriptions. These findings suggest that Puntland was an active participant in the trade networks described in Egyptian records of Punt.”

Reassessment of Competing Theories: Proposed Addition: “While some theories have placed Punt in regions such as Eritrea or the Arabian Peninsula, the lack of corroborating archaeological and ecological evidence in these areas, compared to the substantial findings in Puntland, has led many scholars to favor the latter as the more probable location.”

Subject: Request for Revision of “Land of Punt” Article to Reflect Scholarly Evidence Supporting Puntland as the Likely Location

Dear Wikipedia Editorial Team,

I am writing to propose a comprehensive revision of the “Land of Punt” article to incorporate recent scholarly research that supports the identification of ancient Punt with the modern Puntland region in northeastern Somalia. This proposal is grounded in peer-reviewed studies and archaeological findings that provide substantial evidence for this association.

Supporting References: 1. Bard, Kathryn A., and Fattovich, Rodolfo. “Seafaring Expeditions to Punt in the Middle Kingdom: Excavations at Mersa/Wadi Gawasis, Egypt.” Brill, 2018. • This work details archaeological findings at Mersa/Wadi Gawasis, providing insights into ancient Egyptian maritime expeditions to Punt and supporting the identification of Punt with regions in the Horn of Africa. 2. Fattovich, Rodolfo. “The Archaeology of Punt.” The Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, vol. 104, no. 1, 2018, pp. 81–94. • This article examines archaeological evidence linking Punt to the Horn of Africa, with a focus on the Puntland region. 3. Zinner, Dietmar, et al. “Mummified Baboons Reveal the Far Reach of Early Egyptian Mariners.” Nature Communications, vol. 11, 2020, article 4509. • This study utilizes isotope analysis of mummified baboons to trace their origins to the Horn of Africa, supporting the hypothesis that Punt was located in this region.

Conclusion:

In light of this compelling evidence, I respectfully request that the “Land of Punt” article be revised to reflect the current scholarly consensus identifying Puntland as the most probable location of ancient Punt. These revisions will enhance the article’s accuracy and provide readers with an up-to-date understanding of this historical topic.

Thank you for considering this proposal. I am available to assist with further information or clarification as needed.

Analysis:

The proposed revisions are grounded in recent scientific studies and archaeological findings that provide substantial evidence linking the ancient Land of Punt to the modern Puntland region in Somalia. Incorporating this information into the Wikipedia article will align its content with the current scholarly consensus and enhance its credibility. The inclusion of specific studies, such as the isotope analysis of mummified baboons and archaeological excavations in Puntland, offers concrete data supporting this identification. Addressing and reassessing competing theories within the article will provide a balanced perspective, acknowledging the historical debate while presenting the most substantiated conclusions. 207.219.124.182 (talk) 05:25, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 20:42, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Sorry, missed the references buried in the middle of the text.

Edit request templates need to be used for simple, non-controversial changes. For big updates like this one you need to develop a consensus on the talk page first. PianoDan (talk) 20:46, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]