Talk:JD Vance/Archive 5

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Can this page use a different picture?

Trump family box at 2024 RNC day 1 (1) (5x4)

This is a really bad picture used on this page when introducing Vance's VP run. The Wikimedia Commons File says it's a screenshot from Voice of America — a badly taken one at that. There has to be a better looking one than this. Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 01:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Donald Trump and JD Vance at the 2024 NYC 9 11 Remembrance Ceremony

As of today, a search of Wikimedia Commons for Vance only has one other joint picture with Trump. It would need to be cropped for use here, and would have Donald Jr. behind/between them. A somber scene at the recent 9/11 Remembrance, it may not be a best choice anyway. —ADavidB 18:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

It would be better than the current one b/c of the resolution. Solitaire Wanderer (talk) 00:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I cropped Trump and Vance from this picture (displayed to right) and used it to replace the one in the article. —ADavidB 02:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

And... the replacement was promptly reverted by another editor who cited MOS:IMAGEREL as the reason. The reverter is apparently applying this guidance per section, while I consider it written with an article-wide scope. I've restored the image to the Senate Tenure section instead. —ADavidB 02:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

MOS:SECTIONLOC would have likely even better to have cited. The 9/11 Remembrance Ceremony is unrelated to the VP campaign, and there’s no reason to deviate from the norm just because no higher-quality images of them together exist. Using this particular image could falsely imply a connection between 9/11 and the VP campaign, which would be misleading, not only for that but also for erasing key notable people there at a non-political event. We typically select images that directly relate to the section's content, not simply because no other options are available. In such cases, we usually omit images. However, the lack of photos of them together in this campaign might itself be noteworthy in talking about the campaign as a whole if the proper sources exist.

As outlined in MOS:IMAGEREL, Images must be significant and relevant in the topic's context, not primarily decorative and "not every article needs images, and too many can be distracting." Including this specific image isn’t necessary for this section and we would be better served by ensuring that we don't give this page any special treatment just because no other pictures of them together exist. Wozal (talk) 03:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@Adavidb - Same issue here. "An image should generally be placed in the most relevant article section; if this is not possible, try not to place an image too early, i.e., far ahead of the text discussing what the image illustrates, if this could puzzle the reader."

Please consider talking this issue here instead of trying to find walkarounds. The picture's inclusion has been disputed. Let's talk about it without giving it any special treatment. Wikipedia:ONUS applies here Wozal (talk) 03:33, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

An image of Senator Vance with a president of his party is appropriate for his senate tenure section, and shouldn't puzzle readers. The image's second placement was in the Tenure section, though did extend into its committee assignments subsection (where there is plenty of blank space for it). I'll gladly move the image totally within the main tenure section, given your expressed concerns. While another editor requested replacement of another Trump/Vance image regarding their campaign, I don't see how that precludes placing such an image in a different relevant section. Image cropping is quite common and generally not considered special treatment, especially for public domain images. I know of no guidance stating all notable people at an event should always be imaged together. Please do not express concerns and characterize attempts to satisfy them as walkarounds. —ADavidB 04:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Just because space might exist in a section does not mean that space has to be filled with an image. The previously two quoted MOS sections discuss this in more detail.

The image being replaced was directly related to Vance's nomination as VP. An image with a former president at a nonpolitical event has nothing to do with the VP nomination has nothing to do with Vance's tenure. An insertion in the campaign section gives a false and misleading representation that the event was related to the campaign and that certain people did not attend. An image of Vance's congressional work would be a far better image to be placed there. An image of Vance (like the original photo) as the GOP's nominee for VP or giving a speech as part of the VP campaign (even without the former president) would make stronger selections.

I'm not sure where you think there are walkarounds regarding concerns. A long-standing image was replaced with a new image. The new image was deleted. It was then reintroduced in a different section which also was unrelated. The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. Images are considered content. An image's existence does not mean we have to automatically include it. If we do include it, its placement in the appropriate section has to be considered.

It is not a requirement that the VP nominee has to have an image with the Presidential nominee. Not including an image of them together does not make people question whether they are running mates or not. Wozal (talk) 16:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I didn't say the space "had to be filled with an image", only that the image wasn't displacing text while it was there, which some would use as a reason against placement. The term "walkarounds" was yours above (03:33) in response to my edits after you expressed concerns via edit summary. We will continue to differ on whether the image is related to Vance's being a senator/candidate, and its appropriateness for this article. Happy editing —ADavidB 20:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I think good articles have differing opinions from time to time. Happy editing @Adavidb. (On an unrelated note; thank you for all the cleanup you do in articles!) Wozal (talk) 21:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Missing person / persons

"After Vance debated Walz"

One of the debaters is provided: Vance.

The subject of the debate is provided: Walz.

Who was the other debater / who were the other debaters? 86.160.95.7 (talk) 09:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

If you're referring to the U.S. Vice Presidential debate hosted by CBS news, there were no other debaters. As such, I'm not sure what you're asking to be changed. Wozal (talk) 16:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Let me try to clarify by providing more detail.

Debated is the verb in that phrase.

Vance is the subject of the verb: the one who is debating, i.e. a debater.

Walz is the object of the verb: that which is debated.

So we have one debater, Vance, and a subject of debate, Walz.

A debate would normally comprise at least two debaters who would participate in a debate about a topic, but here we have a single debater, Vance, who is participating in a debate about the object of the verb, the topic Walz, but with whom is Vance debating the topic? 86.160.95.7 (talk) 03:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Made a change to the way this was phrased. Looking at the page now, it now means there are 4 paragraphs on the VP debates which now feels like it's overweighted for a single day event when compared to other sections. Wozal (talk) 22:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Writer infobox module

Would there be any consensus to add the writer infobox module given Vance's main notability prior to his political career was as an author?

Example

JD Vance
Official portrait, 2023
United States Senator from Ohio
Incumbent
Assumed office January 3, 2023 Serving with Sherrod Brown
Preceded by	Rob Portman
Personal details
Born	James Donald Bowman (1984-08-02) August 2, 1984 Middletown, Ohio, US
Political party	Republican
Spouse	Usha Chilukuri ​ (m. 2014)​
Children	3
Education	Ohio State University (BA) Yale University (JD)
Occupation	Politician author venture capitalist
Signature
Website	Senate website
Military service
Branch/service	United States Marine Corps
Years of service	2003–2007
Rank	Corporal
Unit	2nd Marine Aircraft Wing
Battles/wars	Iraq War
Awards	Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medal Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal
Writing career
Genre	Memoir
Notable works	Hillbilly Elegy
Notable awards	Audie Award for Nonfiction 2017

RachelTensions (talk) 20:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, yeah. Hillbilly Elegy was indeed a notable book with longlasting attention past publication. Vance is very tied in with the book and well, other things that have come with being associated with it, per JD Vance couch hoax and whatnot. That's just an indicator of its notability, and Vance ties in with it. so Yeah. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Not true: "Vance was influenced to convert to Catholicism by Peter Thiel."

This isn't supported by the citation. The cited article links to another article which mentions that Vance attended a Peter Thiel talk and then years later converted to Catholicism after reading Augustine. The claim that Thiel influenced him to convert to Catholicism also makes little sense because Thiel himself is not Catholic. Duckshirt (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

The source says "he officially adopted the religion in 2019, under the influence of the billionaire Peter Thiel" and Thiel is intellectually Catholic, even if yes there are some obvious issues with that he is a Girardist. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Political positions in lead

I don't see a reason why these should even be in the lead. Looking at other VP candidates from the left and oddly enough such details are neatly tucked away in the body. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds good to me, as long as it's consistent. Dr vulpes (Talk) 15:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

That isn't how policy and guideline works, its not supposed to be consistent its supposed to be neutral. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Are you alleging some sort of political conspiracy? It appears due to cover the political positions in this case, it might not be in others. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. =D

I can see where it's due to mention some of the bills or committees Vance was significantly involved in, but beyond that I don't see how anything else regarding his political positions are due for the lead. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

They're due because they've received a lot of coverage, his political positions have in fact received so much coverage that we've had to break them off into a daughter page Political positions of JD Vance. Are you arguing that a subtopic is notable enough to have its own page but not due for the lead of the main page? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, since they are covered on their own page I don't see a reason to cover and summarize the same material across several different articles. It's worth noting that many politicians at this level have a dedicated page for their political positions, because they've received a lot of coverage, yet their BLP's aren't needlessly repeating the same political talking points in their leads. I realize WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS so I'm mostly interested in hearing other editors weigh on this though before we do anything. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thats literally what we're supposed to do in this context... The lead is supposed to summarize the section on political positions and the section on political positions is supposed to summarize the page on political positions. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't have anything to do with this, thats about deletion discussions. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

His characterization page seems misleading (and potentially biased)...

The lines "Vance has been characterized as a national conservative and right-wing populist" seem a bit misleading given that other sources characterize him as "a moderate republican with democrat tendencies" sources: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/read-the-jd-vance-dossier: (Mark Ferenchik, “Columbus Author Draws Crowds, Questions About Political Future,” Dayton Daily News, 8/1/17), (Robert Kuttner, “J.D. Vance: Republican Presidential Nominee In 2032?” The American Prospect, 11/21/17), (Isaac Chotiner, “A Conversation With Hillbilly Elegy Author J.D. Vance.,” Slate, 8/25/16). ElricMelvar (talk) 23:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@ElricMelvar I agree with this. Although there are sources in the original it is too narrow to make such a statement. Not sure what it should be but a greater number of sources should be used to create and verify such a statement. Joecompan (talk) 07:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 November 2024

Current vice-president-elect. 2601:547:600:B690:A10C:3757:FA1F:BAB3 (talk) 07:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 13:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

3rd youngest

He is gonna be the 3rd youngest Vice president after John C. Breckinridge and Richard Nixon. Source https://www.usnews.com/news/slideshows/youngest-vice-presidents?onepage . Shall we mention it ? M.Karelin (talk) 03:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 November 2024

In the beginning of this article the phrase "Former United States Marine" is used. As a fellow Marine and patriot I would like to change this to "United States Marine". The Marine Corps has a mantra (Once a Marine, always a Marine). This is shown in our motto "Semper Fi" (Always Faithful). This was just a small grammar error I noticed while reviewing this article. Here is the part of the text that needs changed (James David Vance (born James Donald Bowman;[a] August 2, 1984) is an American politician, author, and former United States Marine who is the vice president-elect of the United States. A member of the Republican Party, he has served since 2023 as the junior United States senator from Ohio. He was Donald Trump's running mate in the 2024 presidential election.)

Please Change Former United States Marine to United States Marine Ryan Ablard (talk) 05:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 November 2024

In person life, change "...as she is Hindu and he Christian" to "...as she is Hindu and he is Christian", I think it's a typo :) Fishy-Finns (talk) 22:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 November 2024

-Request to remove 'New Flag of the Republican Party' under section 'Political positions'. Flag displays Nazi swastika and does not accurately reflect the flag of the republican party, an elephant with the top half being blue containing three stars and bottom half being solid blue, encompassed in a white background. 2600:6C65:757F:AE28:E0DF:430B:47A3:DB6C (talk) 19:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

 Already done That was vandalism and it's been addressed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Political positions image

Under political positions, the image labeled "New Flag of the Republican Party" is a flag of Nazi Germany. It says only certain people may edit his page. 47.34.156.32 (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done, it appears another editor removed the image. MaximusEditor (talk) 21:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Birth

Hi there,

According to https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-republicans-vice-president-vance-name-359c3d1361c94f5d2d1e9798b7854477

“He was born James Donald Bowman in Middletown, Ohio, on Aug. 2, 1984, his middle and last names the same as his biological father, Donald Bowman. His parents split up “around the time I started walking,” he writes. When he was about 6, his mother, Beverly, married for the third time. He was adopted by his new stepfather, Robert Hamel, and his mother renamed him James David Hamel.

When his mother erased Donald Bowman from his and her lives, the adoption process also erased the name James Donald Bowman from the public record. The only birth certificate for Vance on file at Ohio’s vital statistics office reads James David Hamel, according to information provided by the state.”

According to Wikipedia, here is his birth certificate:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:J._D._Vance_Birth_Certificate.jpg

It seems that he actually was not born with the surname “Bowman” but already as “Hamel”?

(And not as James Donald but already as “James David”?)

And that her mother was already married to Robert Hamel when he was born, according to this birth certificate?

Best regards, XHML (talk) 22:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Should the page be moved to "J. D. Vance"?

I feel like the current title is a bit informal and changing it to "J. D. Vance" or something similar would not only look better but would also be more consistent with other Wikipedia articles using this name format. I thought it would be a good idea to discuss the idea before making a formal move request, though. Any thoughts? TypoEater (talk) 14:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

This topic was hashed out at length in July. See the page move discussion. Carguychris (talk) 15:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 January 2025 (2)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hard-trump-vance-release-official-portraits/story?id=117760860 Edit photo to reflect new, official portrait. Proof of new portraits in link above. I can't upload the portrait myself. Additionally, somebody else suggested a cropped version of his portrait. I suggest the full, original version be used on this page. Andbmccu (talk) 00:00, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. No evidence that this image has been released under a free licence. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:15, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

75px Portrait has been uploaded into public domain on official account of U.S. representative Warren Davidson. Rochambeau1783 (talk) 02:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done A congressperson cannot "steal" copyright from the photographer, who has not released it into public domain. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 06:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 January 2025

1 : Tag any untagged words that have an article about it on Wikipedia

2 : I will try to find and fix as many grammar issues as possible

3 : Change portrait to the newest one : File:J.D Vance Official portrait.jpg

(wait for copyright status to be clarified)

I'm sending this proposal to ask if i can edit the page of Vice president-elect JD Vance
as a result of Vance getting elected as vice-president of the United States
i want to help Wikipedia with editing his article since i started my account in September but there is a problem i'm not an extended-confirmed user or administrator and because of this i can't edit it and since i want to help with editing it
im proposing the possibility for me to edit this article.

that's all for now, have a good day. MalborkHistorian (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Not done... Edit requests must be in the format of "Change X to Y", they are not the place to ask for additional permissions, try WP:PERM. - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

And linking words just because they have articles is MOS:OVERLINKING – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 January 2025

suggest in section regarding bills sponsored and cosponsored by Vice President Elect Vance to also cite the number of bills co-sponsored in the Tallahassee Democrat article (https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/07/jd-vance-name-changes-how-old-marine-vet-hillbilly-elegy-netflix-usha/77504596007/) TheFactualist (talk) 07:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

This information is already in the first paragraph under Tenure ("sponsored 57 legislative bills", "co-sponsored 288 bills") so what is it you are seeking to add? Is it just to add the Tallahassee Democrat as a reference? LizardJr8 (talk) 17:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Surname: Vance/Hance

Please do a thorough check and confirm the surname 'Vance' which could be 'Hance'.

Also, please confirm and do the same with the surname 'Bowman' which could be 'Borman'.

Thank you. Shellsjsmd1 (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Neither Hance/Borman spellings exist in the current article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2025

Remove the current infobox image because it is a cropped version of one nominated for deletion. Noah, BSBA^Talk 17:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Someone removed it. Noah, BSBA^Talk 17:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 January 2025

I want to change the main photo of JD Vance to his new Vice Presidential portrait. I think this cropped version would be best (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VancePortrait(cropped).jpg). Thank you! BrendonUrie4 (talk) 21:19, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Looks like this image has been nominated for deletion. Not really a good idea to fulfil this request until we find out the outcome of that. Oh, and also, here's the correct link (without a closing bracket at the end): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VancePortrait(cropped).jpg MadGuy7023 (talk) 21:57, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done. No evidence that this image has been released under a free licence. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:14, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

It is now the official portrait for JD Vance on WhiteHouse.gov 6218946rr (talk) 18:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

That does not matter. The White House cannot steal the copyright from a private photographer. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:22, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

It is now public domain. As it is "work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person’s official duties" Hexonite (talk) 18:48, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit request: JD Vance taking the oath of office

I believe Vance taking the vice presidential oath of office is important enough to be on the page: File:J.D Vance takes the vice presidential oath of office.webm CMBGAMER 2018 (talk) 18:56, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

change the portrait!!

it is now public domain. Hexonite (talk) 18:53, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

No, it is not. Nobody, not even the President, can "steal" copyright from a private photographer. The private photographer has explicitly stated that he does not wish the images to be public domain. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 18:55, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

if that's the case, the portrait should be removed from donald trump's page CMBGAMER 2018 (talk) 19:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

"steal"?? it's not me that said it is "public domain". it's wikipedia that does so, AND even the deletion of the images has been suspended. Hexonite (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

The deletion was suspended by an admin who made the same mistake you did. License laundering is explicitly prohibited by Commons policy. This is a textbook case of license laundering. The image was confirmed to be copyrighted by the photographer, and so it is against Commons policy to "launder" it by using the fact it was posted on another website as its copyright status. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 19:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2025 (2)

Change the picture to Vance's official Vice President portrait. 75.133.50.198 (talk) 19:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done see above. This image is copyrighted by the photographer that took it and is not free to use on Wikipedia. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 19:36, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

For what it’s worth, the image is used as the profile picture of the official Vice President X account. May not change whether it can be used or not on Wikipedia though. MichaelM444 (talk) 19:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

The photos should be deleted off wikimedia Commons if that's the case PublicDomainFan08 (talk) 21:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Portrait Change

In my opinion the portrait should be changed to this : File:J.D Vance Official portrait.jpg

if you want to edit the information on it it then you can. MalborkHistorian (talk) 20:12, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Support - just for any future disagreements for this common-sense change. JParksT2023 (talk) 20:22, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment - Hopefully we can change it, when the official veep image is available. GoodDay (talk) 16:57, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Oh my goodness the photo is so bad 😭. I'm not sure of Wikipedia's policy on this but are we required to keep a photograph as the infobox portrait just because it is the most recent official one? The 2023 one isn't really all that old and looks so much better. EytanMelech (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

For now, I'd use the 2023 image. GoodDay (talk) 21:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

We're not required, but it's traditional, and consistently doing so where possible can be seen as a helpful "rule." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

He's not wearing a flagpin. Is that legal? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Typo

It says "during his four year of service...". I believe it should say "fourth" 46.5.255.137 (talk) 21:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to write "During his four years of service". I think that's the correct sentence. 46.5.255.137 (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Done... changed to "four years"... - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Vice presidency (2025–present)

Vance being sworn in as vice president by Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh on January 20, 2025

On January 20, 2025, Vance was sworn in as the 50th vice president of the United States. Before his inauguration, Vance held a meeting with China's vice president Han Zheng in which they discussed China–United States relations. Among his first acts as vice president was swearing in Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the first of Trump's cabinet nominees to be approved by Congress, on January 21.

Amanoss (talk) 23:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for highlighting the bare url reference. Fixed. LizardJr8 (talk) 00:31, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2025

Change the word “elect” in the sentence “On January 24, he cast the tiebreaking vote to elect Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense.” to “confirm”.

Cabinet secretaries are not elected, they are appointed and either confirmed or rejected. HidyHoTim (talk) 04:49, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Someone else changed it as you requested. Thank you very much! Wikieditor662 (talk) 04:59, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2025 (2)

The vice president should be capitalized. 8.9.88.13 (talk) 15:23, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 15:30, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 January 2025

'has served' obviously should be 'serves' 2407:4D00:2C05:84FE:B02A:6BB:8B94:54A4 (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: not with "since 2025". Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:53, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

“Has served” as 50th VP?

Shouldn’t this read “is serving”? I don’t get this. HockeyCowboy (talk) 20:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Since changes to "...serving as..." GoodDay (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I prefer “is serving”. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

There's already an "is" in the sentence. I changed it from "has served as" to "serving as". BBQboffin^{grill me} 03:05, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

"has served" is a grammatical trick some users use to make it easy to change when they leave office. You just remove the "has" when their term is up. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 03:09, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

That's years from now, and we shouldn't make things more confusing just for convenience. Wikieditor662 (talk) 03:53, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2025

Replace "Vance is an outspoken critic of childlessness and has acknowledged the influence of Catholic theology on his sociopolitical positions" With "Vance has acknowledged the influence of Catholic theology on his sociopolitical positions". Saying he is an "outspoken opponent of childlessness" and including that in the top section is completely exaggerated and unsourced Pajamahop (talk) 03:13, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. It seems like a core part of who he is.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 03:29, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

"invovled"

In the new section on the Munich conference, there is a typo. 675930s (talk) 07:10, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

@675930s: Fixed, thanks. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez | me | talk to me! 07:12, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Remove reference to grandparent monikers.

Section 'Early life, military service, and education' mentions maternal grandparent monikers, which is irrelevant as these don't even get picked up in the rest of the article. Requesting removal. 2001:9E8:AA9:7500:40E2:E3E2:A3D8:B393 (talk) 11:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

The provided NPR source covered his grandmother. The relevence of her name usage is not dependent on the rest of the article. —ADavidB 18:12, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

We should change the current infobox portrait to the high quality version

There is a higher quality version of Vance's portrait that should be used here: File:VancePortrait4K.jpg PublicDomainFan08 (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Career

Is it so difficult to have a chronological CV, to list what he did when?? 2001:16B8:C84E:7900:5C36:8132:CE59:50C7 (talk) 11:06, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

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Vice presidency (2025–present)

Vance being sworn in as vice president by Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh on January 20, 2025

On January 20, 2025, Vance was sworn in as the 50th vice president of the United States. Before his inauguration, Vance held a meeting with China's vice president Han Zheng in which they discussed China–United States relations. Among his first acts as vice president was swearing in Secretary of State Marco Rubio, the first of Trump's cabinet nominees to be approved by Congress, on January 21.

to, cite web reference for Marko Rubio's swearing in

References

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The redirect Jd v has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 26 § Jd v until a consensus is reached. Rusalkii (talk) 03:14, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

JD Vance undesirable alien in Germany

JD Vance undesirable alien in Germany (probable SOAPBOX violation)

JD Vance has been declared to be an undesirable alien in Germany by the German National Liberation Front, which has as its aim to liberate Germany from Russian-American colonialism. The German National Liberation Front will soon convene its sister organisations of the rest of Europe to freebä the whole continent of evil Russian and American influences and declared all Russian and American oligarchs and imperialists undesirable aliens to bei deported from the whole continent. The motto will be: Europe to Europeans - Russo-Americans Go Home.2A02:3032:205:9C14:886:8AA6:B9BB:D985 (talk) 05:56, 17 March 2025 (UTC) I was unable to find information about the "German National Liberation Front". Could you clarify what you're referring to? 1101 (talk) 07:19, 17 March 2025 (UTC) As a politically interested German, I can reassure that there is no such thing as a "National Liberation Front" in Germany, and also, nobody has called Vance an undesirable alien (so far). Also, the story is pure nonsense. This person is trying to spread hate through lies, and probably overestimates the amount of readers that come to this Talk section. 2A00:6020:B041:900:9C82:BEBF:3A2B:482 (talk) 18:59, 31 March 2025 (UTC) I agree with the previous post. The "National Liberation Front" is non-notable, possibly fictitious, and most likely self-invented, making the original post a violation of WP:SOAPBOX. I am collapsing the thread in lieu of WP:RELIABLE evidence. Carguychris (talk) 19:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

JD Vance´s inspiration from Carl Schmitt

It should be mentioned that the ideas (and perhaps: ideology) put forward by JD Vance is heavily influenced by the German lawyer and philosopher Carl Schmitt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt (background, provided by "libtards" yet still background: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/13/books/review/carl-schmitt-jd-vance.html) Truthorgulag (talk) 18:23, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Stance on Ukraine

Multiple times in his career, JD has made it known how little he is interested in defending foreign democracies, and how he doesn't much care about Ukraine in particular. Given the recent fiasco at the Oval Office, instigated by divisive rhetoric from Vance, which has undoubtedly done severe damage to US-Ukraine relations, I believe it should be noted in some capacity here 165.23.216.149 (talk) 05:49, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

"Given the recent fiasco at the Oval Office, instigated by divisive rhetoric from Vance, which has undoubtedly done severe damage to US-Ukraine relations"

It should truthfully have read "The relations between US and the rest of the world".

United (?) States of America used to at least pretend to be a good force to the rest of the world, but now we all see it for what it is, all thanks to Vance and Trump and their likes. Comedy or tragedy? Or just stupidity? 81.237.203.103 (talk) 08:51, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a forum

Ratgomery (talk) 22:02, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Zelenskyy White House visit section

Could someone be a dear and fix the grammatical errors in this section? I'd do it myself but I'm not extended confirmed. Thanks! Ryanisbetter (talk) 00:32, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Internet meme culture?

JD Vance is the center of a meme that has been circulating online as of recently in which individuals post unflattering, edited pictures of him. These memes are incredibly popular on both sides of the political spectrum but this page fails to mention that. News outlets from Forbes, to The Guardian, to the Washington Post have been writing about this. MountainJew6150 (talk) 21:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Pllllleeeeeease let us add a picture gallery lol. 97.106.148.231 (talk) 18:11, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

No. It's an enciclopedia, not Know Your Meme. It will die out in a few months.-Alexceltare2 (talk) 11:39, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

A sentence or two? Yes. A gallery? No. CavsFan45 (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

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Vice President JD Vance's military awards are listed in the wrong order.

The order should be:

1. Navy & Marine Corps Achievement Medal 2. Good Conduct Medal 3. National Defense Service Medal 4. Iraq Campaign Medal 5. Global War on Terrorism Service Medal 6. Navy and Marine Corps Sea Service Deployment Ribbon Mikestopper (talk) 05:46, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out, I've made the changes. Ilovefood123123 (talk) 01:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)