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A fact from Italian campaign of 1796–1797 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 October 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797(battle pictured) demonstrated that Napoleon was a "great strategist"?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
Comment: This is a translated article. The only issue I have personally encountered is citations, which I am currently working out.
Created by Sir MemeGod (talk) (translator) and 151.82.192.215 (talk) (who made the Italian page).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
@Sir MemeGod: a few things need straightening out here:
There are a lot of Harvard errors in the citations and referencing. If you haven't already, I suggest installing this script to catch and fix them.
The two sources cited here are not really up to the bar of WP:RS. We need published works, ideally in print, by people acknowledged as experts in their field. Fortunately, Napoleon is not short of people who have written good academic work about him.
The hooks need to be explicitly stated within the article itself: neither of these two seem to be.
I would suggest giving the article a fix for the citations, and then looking for two or three good facts from within it for which you have good sources already cited. I notice you've written that it's a translation, so make sure that these are from works that you can access to verify the citation. UndercoverClassicistT·C13:21, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No Target Errors mean that there isn't a unique reference defined with that ID. For example, you have two references defined as Chandler2006, so any link pointing to that will show an error. The simple way to fix this is to make one Chandler 2006a and the other Chandler 2006b. I've seen the additions to the article, but would encourage you to read what I said about sourcing: this webpage is not a quality academic source. Honestly, I think there's more specific and more interesting material for hooks in the article anyway: can you come up with a couple that are cited to good-quality sources? UndercoverClassicistT·C15:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We need hooks that are going to be interesting or unknown to most readers -- I'm not sure either of those two really pass that muster. Did anything interesting, exciting, surprising or consequential happen during (or as a result of) the campaigns? Can you find citations that are printed books, ideally in academic presses? UndercoverClassicistT·C15:52, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do have one more that does have reliable sources behind it, and was interesting (at least to me) when I first read about it.
They're not a requirement, but most of the websites you had been citing weren't good RSs for historical information -- I think Britannica is fine; PBS is acceptable but not great for history: we can trust their integrity, but they don't claim any real academic expertise or credibility. I think the most recent ALT (which I've labelled ALT0) is good; I've taken the liberty of making some minor edits for concision and markup. Hook is in the article, but the reference doesn't quite check: PBS give the two week figure as the combined total for Montenotte and Mondovi. UndercoverClassicistT·C17:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will add the alt text for all the images shortly. I may be able to add the PD-US templates to the images within the next hour, but if not, I'll just ask for someone else to do it (Commons sometimes doesn't work on my device). Thanks! Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 18:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new enough and long enough. No copyright problems found using Earwig, and verified that the appropriate {{Translated page}} template is on the talk page. Sources all appear to be WP:RS with appropriate in-line citations. I couldn't trace where ALT0 is specifically stated in the article (although there's no doubt that it's correct) so I'll strike that and just approve ALT1. The hook and the source both say ""great strategist", but the article had "great strategist and leader", so I went ahead and deleted the "and leader" from the article text. There's lots of good images in the article, so perhaps if somebody wants to vet one and add it during promotion that would be good, but for now I'll just approve this as-is with no image. RoySmith(talk)18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The DYK hook is 'Did you know that the Italian Campaign of 1796–1797 demonstrated that Napoleon was a "great strategist"?', but the article doesn't include the quote that Napoleon was 'a great strategist'. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 23:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I see that the phrase was present in the lede as of the beginning of 4 October, but it wasn't sourced even then and has, unsurprisingly, since been removed. This means that the DYK reviewers have been rather negligent. The information that a hook is based on is supposed to be sourced.--62.73.72.3 (talk) 23:49, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sir MemeGod: a few things need straightening out here:
Request new reviewer, reviewer has not responded in 4 days. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Article is new enough and long enough. No copyright problems found using Earwig, and verified that the appropriate {{Translated page}} template is on the talk page. Sources all appear to be WP:RS with appropriate in-line citations. I couldn't trace where ALT0 is specifically stated in the article (although there's no doubt that it's correct) so I'll strike that and just approve ALT1. The hook and the source both say ""great strategist", but the article had "great strategist and leader", so I went ahead and deleted the "and leader" from the article text. There's lots of good images in the article, so perhaps if somebody wants to vet one and add it during promotion that would be good, but for now I'll just approve this as-is with no image. RoySmith (talk) 18:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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