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Why can’t you use the term illegal immigrant to describe deportation of people who are here illegally? They may be really great people. But the fact is they’re illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are a particular type of immigrant in case anyone needed to know. An immigrant is someone who comes to another country not their own. And an illegal immigrant is someone who does that illegally. And, it is important to be unburdened by what has been so that you can be free to think about the significance of the passage of time. Adjectives describe nouns and the adjective illegal describes the noun immigrant (a person), which is why the pushing of the phrase no human is illegal is based in illiteracy.
Wikipedia contains pages named Illegal immigration (Redirected from Illegal immigrant // Redirected from Undocumented immigrant) and Alien (law) (Redirected from resident alien). If entire articles define what those terms mean, the use of those terms in an appropriate neutral context should be permitted without contest.
All of the following phrases are clearly objectively interchangeable: undocumented immigrant, unauthorized immigrant, illegal alien, illegal immigrant, undocumented noncitizen. In the context of tone, we should strive to use the most accurate phrase, or in this case perhaps whichever the law uses in its vocabulary.
Colloquially they all mean the same thing, regardless of whether one person wants one or another phrase used. Unfortunately for Wikipedia, the use of the words themselves - despite being interchangeable - have become a point of contention (in spite of their definitions being the same). Armeym (talk) 00:30, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure what the point of this response is. The point of the suggestion was that we use adjectives like illegal in front of this special category of immigrants. The response here is talking about additional adjectives such as undocumented when those adjectives aren’t even being used either. 198.245.101.13 (talk) 01:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
198.245.101.13, you are in error. This article does not 'hide the truth' as you claim by omitting the term 'illegal immigrant', since the article does no such thing.
In the lead it even uses the phrase: "Pew Research Center reports that the total population of illegal immigrants in the U.S. is estimated at 11 million in 2022, with California continuing, as compared to ten years prior, to have the largest population".
Rather, your edits were reverted as they are simply inaccurate. When considered in light of lines such as: "It has targeted activists, lawful permanent residents, tourists, and students with visas who expressed criticism of Trump policies or engaged in pro-Palestinian advocacy."
The term 'illegal immigrant' cannot be used throughout the article, since to refer to a lawful permanent resident as an illegal immigrant would be inaccurate and preposterous.
As for Armeym, I likewise see little merit to their commentary. That 'illegal immigrant' is considered contentious by that user is irrelevant.
Unless someone is claiming asylum, it is illegal to cross into or remain in the US without documentation or inspection. Someone who does this commits an illegal act. Committing an illegal act does not make anyone or any class of people "illegal." If it did we might refer to Donald Trump, convicted of 34 felonies, as an "illegal president." imo "illegal alien" and "illegal immigrant" are invidious terms meant to depreciate the humanity of individuals who migrate to the US and other countries due to the intolerable conditions they experience in their own. I do not and will not use those terms on Wikipedia or anywhere else. stay well 2601:441:4B80:340:2093:298C:9D4:1638 (talk) 23:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:441:4B80:340:2093:298C:9D4:1638 (talk) 23:06, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
illegal immigrant refers specifically to an immigrant who's in a country illegally. A legal immigrant that commits crimes isn't considered illegal, you either didn't do your research or are just being a moralizer. Trump won the election.
Nobody cares if you don't wanna use those terms, it's Wikipedia, not your diary, they're descriptive terms, if they didn't come in illegally they wouldn't be illegal immigrants. Wikipedia is supposed to say things as they are without sugarcoating it. De Leonibus Emiliano (talk) 11:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is a panel of judges charged with deciding cases involving habeas, human rights, constitutional and similar matters. Per the Spanish Royal Academy, here "sala" can refer to a courtroom or, as in this case, such a group of judges; what might be called a "panel" or "tribunal" in the US. AFP uses "Constitutional Chamber" and I have followed their usage. stay well 2601:441:4B80:340:BAC8:ECEE:18D2:A1EE (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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