Talk:Congestion pricing in New York City

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A fact from Congestion pricing in New York City appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 June 2007. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that for New York City to receive up to $500 million from the Department of Transportation, its congestion pricing plan must be approved by August 2007?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/June.

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@Epicgenius:, this month MTA Open Data uploaded a more defined polygon file for the Central Business District area to be tolled, which should probably replace the file on this page. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up @Kew Gardens 613. I've updated the map now. I also removed a few shapes that have zero roads (whoever created this map probably drew this as one large shape, then cut out the FDR Drive, West Side Highway, and some of the bridges and tunnels). – Epicgenius (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It actually wasn't created as one large shape, but never mind that. Expect a newly updated map on Open Data next week to ensure the issue in this story doesn't happen elsewhere. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's unfortunate but also hilarious (the rider probably didn't find it funny, but the MTA's reasoning is quite interesting to say the least). I guess we can just update the map when the city releases a new version on Open Data. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:22, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mitigations

@Epicgenius: Do you think it makes sense to have a section noting the mitigation commitments made by the MTA, given all the attention, given to the issue? It also might be worth noting some of the findings of the Environmental Assessment and the FONSI.

In terms of other things to cover, toll shopping should be mentioned. There are likely others. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 02:06, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kew Gardens 613, probably. On the other hand, it is looking more and more likely that we will have to split the page at some point, just so we can accommodate this new info (the article had 48,000 characters of prose last July, but now is 68,000+ characters). Great work on the additions by the way. – Epicgenius (talk) 02:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed on a split-history should probably be split off. There is still remarkably more to add about the recent (2021-present) period on the program, including snags in the environmental review process, additional bus service, a few more details on exemptions, more on the MoveNY plan, etc., let alone the mitigations/EA findings. More is needed on the late 1970s plan that was kiboshed (I know where sources are). The post-9/11 HOV limits should probably be added, along with other similar initiatives. I do wonder if it would be worth mentioning that New York's push has lead cities like SF, LA, and Boston to consider it. There is also some insane stuff I know that I hope becomes public at some point. Thanks. Your work on this article has been amazing. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 03:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed split

Split done. Consensus to move was found. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 01:14, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I proposed a split above and have tagged two sections of the main article for splitting. These tags originally linked to the "Mitigations" section above, which is why I have created a new subsection for this. Epicgenius (talk) 18:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree A split should occur when it comes to the 20th-21st century that way it's easier to distinguish the different time periods. Rager7 (talk) 01:13, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that the article is too long and that it should be focused on the current plan, as that's what readers would expect to find at this title. But my suggestion for the split article title/scope is something more like Plans to reduce traffic in New York City rather than just the history of congestion pricing, based on both the content of what would be removed from this article and what the actual noteworthy topic is (i.e., not the history of this congestion pricing plan but all prior efforts to reduce traffic in NYC, of which current congestion pricing is a part). czar 13:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re. the scope, that sounds like a good idea. I'd also suggest Traffic reduction plans in New York City or something similar. As KG613 mentions above, he has a lot more info about traffic reduction (and there certainly is a bunch more info available on this topic), – Epicgenius (talk) 18:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That title sounds good czar 19:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, with a small preference for History of congestion pricing in New York City as proposed by Epicgenius (I find it quite clear). Ornithorynque liminaire (talk) 13:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support this as well, with a short summary of various former plans left here. CMD (talk) 16:14, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ban deletion discussion bots from editing this article (if possible)

As the tin says. We need to WP:DENY. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:28, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]