Talk:Church Offensive

Church Offensive is currently a World history good article nominee. Nominated by Spookyaki (talk) at 16:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

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Just a heads-up, copied text on this page (from the Garbage Offensive page) was also written by me. Spookyaki (talk) 14:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And copied text from this article to Young Lords also written by me. Spookyaki (talk) 18:06, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Spookyaki (talk · contribs) 16:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: RoySmith (talk · contribs) 01:22, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problems with the prose. The article is generally well-written and complies with the required WP:MOS sections.
- Thank you for taking the review! Spookyaki (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Everything looks to be appropriately cited to WP:RS with no obvious plagiarism.
It's not strictly required by WP:GACR, but a map showing the location of the church would be helpful. At the very least, provide a street address (I had to go look it up to see where it was). A photo of the church would likewise be a nice addition (see WP:RP)
- Went ahead and added a map. Couldn't find and public domain/CC pictures of the church, but can put in a request. Spookyaki (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You already have Young Lords linked in the article, so no need to list it under See also
- Removed. Spookyaki (talk) 02:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be doing a spot check of [3, 14, 16, 28, 34] from Special:Permalink/1285200428:

ref 3

The New York chapter of the Young Lords—formed from the merger of the East Harlem Young Lords; the Photography Workshop, an activist-oriented arts organization; and the Sociedad Albizu Campos, a reading group based at the State University of New York at Old Westbury—was established on July 26, 1969.[3]
- I realized that I was mixing up a few different sources here. Made some adjustments to correct/for clarity. Spookyaki (talk) 15:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ref 14

Pablo Guzmán, press conference outside FSUMC, 1970, quoted in The Young Lords: A Radical History by Johanna Fernández[14]

ref 16

The Young Lords demands included space for the free breakfast program, a daycare, and a "liberation school", where children would be taught "black and Puerto Rican history". That afternoon, Young Lords spokesman Pablo Guzmán held a press conference outside the church condemning its abandonment of Christian values.[16]

ref 28

Various historical interpretations have been offered regarding the Church Offensive. Sánchez argues that by staging a dramatic "hostage" situation, the Young Lords captured the attention of the media, which generated public sympathy and support from influential third parties, including religious leaders.[28]
- Verified.

ref 34

Furthermore, Fernández also claims that the growth of the New York Young Lords following the occupation, particularly among women, created rhetorical space for discussions about gender roles within social movements, even as it created internal tensions and generated familial disapproval for some female members.[34]

I've got all of the above on inter-library loan requests. My guess is it'll take a few days to get them all. RoySmith (talk) 02:01, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SpookyakiRight now, I'm 3rd in the queue to get my library's copy of Fernández, so it might take a while. If you can send me scans of the appropriate pages, that would speed things along. RoySmith (talk) 12:33, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reading Sanchez 2007 reminded me of the 1970 Lincoln Hospital takeover, which I was previously aware of, but didn't make the connection that it was the same group until reading Sanchez. It might be pushing the limits of WP:GACR6 ("Broad in its coverage") a little, but I think this article deserves a brief mention of Lincoln Hospital and some of the other activities of the New York Young Lords to put this event in context.

Added the following section: In the ensuing years, the Young Lords continued to engage in building occupations to address community needs. Buildings occupied included the Metropolitan Hospital Center in East Harlem, which they occupied in December 1969, and Lincoln Hospital in the South Bronx, which they occupied first in July 1970 and again in November 1970. Spookyaki (talk) 15:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]