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An account to promote myself

I need a hand making an account to promote myself as an artist an business. I have more than one article, my LLC, my DUNS, and other certificates.

music 1Xenos (talk) 04:56, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

WP:PROMO, WP:YOURSELF. TurboSuperA+_[talk] 05:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

If you'd like to promote yourself, 1Xenos, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 05:09, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

1Xenos, self-promotion is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Don't go there. Cullen328 (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

If you attempt to promote yourself on Wikipedia, then you will be quickly blocked, and anyone looking for your name on Wikipedia will see the block notice. Is that really what you want?

An artist who is up-and-coming cannot have a Wikipedia article. You must have already arrived. You must become successful without Wikipedia's help, and only then would you merit an article here. ~Anachronist (talk) 11:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I guess I'm the only one who read the request knowing that if a third-party is doing the promoting, it's not self-promotion. What kind of account do you have in mind, assuming you still need one? Nom de vileplume (talk) 10:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Question on honours section entries

I am confused about the classification in the "Honours" section of List of awards and nominations received by Tamannaah Bhatia. If I strictly apply the definition of honours, only the Kalaimamani (2010) and Honorary Doctorate (2017) belong in the "Honours" section. The other entries, being media-driven or industry-specific, do not seem to fit in this section. Can someone clarify this and suggest how to proceed? Anoop Bhatia (talk) 15:51, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

[Not answering the query, but I have converted your heading to the correct format so that it is not mistaken for a part of the previous query and overlooked. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.7.140.167 (talk) 16:33, 2 August 2025 (UTC)]

@Anoopspeaks There seems to be a large table of Awards and a smaller one of Honours. If you think that some from the latter should be in the former, then you can just boldly move them and see if anyone objects. If they do, discuss the issue on the Talk Page of the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:26, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

I ran this issue through various large language models, and the consensus was that entries from governmental, academic, or highly prestigious institutions, typically recognizing broad or lifetime contributions to society, culture, or a field, should be treated as honours. Other entries, given by media organizations for industry or style achievements, should be treated as awards. Before making changes, I sought independent human input on this matter, which is why I asked here. I couldn’t find specific Wikipedia guidelines on this distinction. If any exist, please point them out. Anoop Bhatia (talk) 03:04, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

A question on edit warring

Is it considered edit warring if I repeatedly add back declined AfC submission templates that a user keeps removing? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:18, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

...and how about restoring the AfD notice when a deletion discussion is in progress? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

For AFC it is not so serious to remove, but perhaps you should get help so that you are not the only one restoring. For AFD you will be justified in restoring the header if the discussion is still open. If you worry about hitting a three revert rule limit ask someone else to assist. As such edits confirm to policy, they would not lead to a block. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:46, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

You should not be penalised, but if someone is reverting persistently to remove such templates, you should report them at WP:3RR. Simply continuing an edit war will not necessarily stop them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:40, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Vettakkorumakankavu temple

 Courtesy link: Draft:Vettakkorumakankavu Temple

My submission of an ancient temple in Kerala got rejected as all the links were from Wikipedia. what are the best references to provide for an ancient temple that does not have Internet links? Hunsur (talk) 05:15, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

@Hunsur: The temple itself does not need to have its own internet presence. What do reliable sources (e.g. newspapers) say about the temple? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 06:29, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Reliably published books. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Also anything official, which shows that the temple is recognised by its regional or national government as a protected monument.

See WP:RS for further guidance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

@Hunsur: the correct sources to cite are the ones which have provided the information in the draft. They may not necessarily be the best ones, if they turn out to be unreliable etc., but at least they can then be evaluated. At the moment we have no knowledge of where the information has come from. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

SVG Lineage Diagram

SVG Lineage Diagram – Formatting & Policy Check

Hi, I've spent long hours cross referencing information from sources in order to clarify on (as true as possible) the origins of the Australian Cattle Dog (ACD) as there are actually 2 different types. The one I have with me appears to be an earlier model referenced as Cattle Dog of Australia (CDoA) as those were bred before they were imported and only used here in Australia for work. I have added to this diagram the ACD INDEX that is useful for those who which to know where their dog stands in the bigger picture, whilst it be and ACD or CDoA. Those dogs are similar, however different.

Australian Cattle Dog - Breed History - Review Only

I attempted to upload an SVG, however, even after several hours of trial and error, revising the code to make the upload wizard happy, I had nothing but failures. So I would like some advice on that if possible, or shall I be asking in the Village Pump instead?

This post is mostly about formatting and policy before I would attempt to post it anywhere. All images have been provided by Wikicommon, appart for some I had to create as they were not available anywhere. They are the one I am listing below since the file is still a static image:

• McNiven's Line
• Bull Terrier Cross
• Older Stumpy Tail
• Queensland Heeler
• Timmin's Experiment

My mentor @Houseblaster advised me to come in here to ask questions about all of that apart from getting the *.svg file correctly formatted so on your advice I may or may not head to Village Pump for that.

Blessings!

Nodocéphale (talk) 10:20, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi Nodocéphale! A few thoughts. First, whenever asking for help with an error, it's important to state what the actual error is. For example, what does upload-wizard "failure" mean? Sometimes asking that right away can help shake out some problems and make things overall less frustrating. You asked about policy. Is there any specific policy that comes to mind? One recommendation I'd make is to upload the photos you actually took separately to commons. That helps a lot of readers and potential editors far beyond those interested in the lineage topic. And that also helps simplify the lineage-file, since it would be more directly identifiable as a composite of traceably free images. You would not have to deal with any licensing related to "your own" photos on the lineage file, since it would just link out to each that has its own details separately specified. DMacks (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

@Nodocéphale Did you actually try to upload an .SVG = vector graphic file? that would be very unusual for images of dogs, which would usually be standard photographs with .jpg file type. We have a specialist Help desk for vector graphics at Wikipedia:SVG help and that page has some general advice about these types of file when used in Wikipedia. For example Wikipedia:SVG_help#Missing embedded JPEG images Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:13, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Cheers for your valuable information. I have posted on SVG help, hopefully someone will see what is happening. I can search through code but limited knowledge to that's as far as it gets. I'm better at documenting for what I know so far. I'll be back once the file is ready for a review for policy and all, this type of diagram I chose seems to be a high roller. Patience and consistency will pay, I'm certain. EDIT: Actually, what do you guys think about that index I've added to the 2 types of dogs, to me it's spot on, but would there be an issue with that according to policies or else? Nodocéphale (talk) 08:53, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Disruptive Edits by Reputed Editor

hello everyone

I am working on India Ethnic groups. And I found some who no try to find any source just because they are written with tittle, ex:- here this source it i found on NITI Aayog Library here(see tittles note), I see Multiple times. 獅眠洞 (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

That would be User:Sitush. Maybe they can explain to you in more detail why they consider the source you used as not reliable? I doubt it is just "because they are written with tittle".

In future, please follow the process outlined at WP:DR if you are in dispute with another editor. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

I mean atleast once he check source exist or not Many articles are nominated for deletion like Shaikhs of Rajasthan. 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

some are deleted ex:-here 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:41, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

The issue is not whether the source exists—that is not disputed—but whether it is reliable. Also, please assume good faith. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

The source is relaible ISBN no. 81-7304-091-5 on Google 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:51, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

It is published by Anthropological Survey of India 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:52, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

That's different to what you gave as a source in the diff in your first post in this section, which was "People of India Hayana, Vol. XXIII M.L Sharma and A.K Bhatia (Eds.), pp. 335–375 Manohar Publications".

Again, we need to hear from Sitush. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:31, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

ok and sorry for being to rude.😓 獅眠洞 (talk) 12:35, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Request for Feedback: Generative Radial Geometry

Hello everyone,

I’m currently developing a draft article in my sandbox about a proposed mathematical framework called **Generative Radial Geometry (GRG)**. The idea explores an alternative way to define circles and circular areas using discrete radial summation, rather than relying on the traditional use of π (pi).

The full draft is here: User:Fipodigital/sandbox

The theory has been published and timestamped on Zenodo with a DOI, and I am working on gathering external references and possible academic discussions that can support its notability. I understand that original research is not suitable for Wikipedia, so I’m seeking advice on how to frame this topic within the guidelines, or whether it might be more appropriate for Wikiversity or other Wikimedia sister projects.

If anyone has suggestions on how to improve the draft or where to publish such content in a more fitting way, I’d be grateful for your feedback.

Thanks for your time!

– Stefano (Fipodigital) talk 14:48, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Neutralising the tone of voice

Hello teahouse :) I've recently received feedback to neutralise the tone of voice of an edit request I submitted earlier this year. In most examples that I submitted this was straightforward, but how can I be sure it's meets the expected standard? Also, how do I re-open the edit request if the editor has requested revisions? Talk:Thomas Heatherwick#Updates to Thomas Heatherwick's Biography Page. Conbene (talk) 15:30, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

I'd suggest you start afresh, and make a number of smaller requests, one at a time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:22, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Daniel Bowden

Daniel Bowden who was a main cast member of an Australian TV show called Always Greener has been incorrectly credited to a New Zealand rugby player. I would like to fix it. Dbowdie (talk) 18:44, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

On which page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Hey! Always Greener

I’ve gone in to try to correct it, which I think has removed the rugby player but as a 1st timer to Wiki editing, I feel a bit clumsy Dbowdie (talk) 18:51, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

No, that looks good. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

The way I broke the link to the rugby player was add the middle name, which is Steven. If I revert to just Daniel Bowden, it goes back to linking to the rugby player. Dbowdie (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Dbowdie, and welcome to the Teahouse.

If we had an article on the actor, it would have to be disambiguated from article on the rugby player. If he regularly uses his middle name, then that could be used; otherwise such an article would be called Daniel Bowden (actor) and the reference in Always Greener would look like [[Daniel Bowden (actor)|Daniel Bowden]], which would link to the article with "(actor)" in the title, but display as "Daniel Bowden". (If this happened it would be worth somebody considering renaming the existing article on the Rugby player, according to WP:DAB).

If Bowden the actor appears to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (or the specific criteria for notability of actors), then having a redlink, such as you've created, is a good idea. However, if he does not, so there is little chance of an article ever being created about him, then there should not be redlink, and the name should be unlinked and left as ordinary text.

I see that you have a COI declared in this: please note that you are discouraged from directly editing about Bowden, and should generally use edit requests instead for any edit connected with him.

As an editor with a COI you are permitted, however, to use the articles for creation mechanism to create an article about him - however My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. And that is even without a COI.

If you are actually Daniel Bowden yourself, please be aware that autobiography, though not forbidden, is very strongly discouraged. ColinFine (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Infinity Engine

Hi ;-)

I have translated the short article about Infinity Engine from Polish Wikipedia into English. I hope this is fine? The article isn't were long, but I believe others could work on it in the future, plus it's important enough to have its own article on Wikipedia, I believe?

Best wishes!

-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Kaworu1992, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It's not immediately clear to me whether the draft is acceptable or not, because the citations are incomplete. Your citations have a title as well as the URL, which is better than some new editors manage, but they lack other important information: the author, the date, and (arguably most important) the name of the publication. (See WP:REFB). The reason this is so important is that reviewers need to determine whether sources are reliable, and whether they are independent. (Of course, it is usually possible to see these by opening the link, but often they can be evaluated much more quickly).

What I can say is that Github is certainly not a reliable source, and should not be cited; I don't know whether Moddb and Giantbomb are generally reliable, but the pages linked have no author mentioned so we can't tell where they come from, or (crucially) whether they are independent of the people behind Infinity Engine or not.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have separately chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources, and very little else (see WP:42). That an article exists in another Wikipedia does not guarantee that the subject meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which depends on those sources. ColinFine (talk) 23:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

When translating an article from another language variant of Wikipedia, you need to attribute the source and its authors, Kaworu1992. Please see Help:Translation#Licensing for how to do this. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Help with revising article

I'm working on an article that has been flagged for possibly using text from a large language model (LLM). I’ve revised much of it and verified sources, but I’d appreciate help reviewing and editing the draft to ensure it meets Wikipedia standards. The article is about Sydney S. Cohen and the role he played in the development of the movie theater business. I have a great deal of research material - references, newspaper articles, trade journals, etc., but frankly I need help. Can someone assist?

Sydney S. Cohen Bouncy99 (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: It seems we forgot about Sydney S. Cohen. Worth noting here for others that we have lots of sources at Draft:Sydney S. Cohen, so there's no problem with notability here. MediaKyle (talk) 22:22, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

I just took a look at the article, I'd be happy to give you some help. Did you create/write the article, or are you just editing it? The main thing that's needed is inline citations, but I could also help with refining the tone of the article and possibly adding more details. A. E. Katz (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

help with including a reliable source

hi there, it seems that I need to include a reliable reference on the page I'm working on.

I found this one : nl:Sigmund und sein Freund

please help finishing my draft and review. Thanks Quest and questions (talk) 22:11, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

@Quest and questions See WP:RSPWP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:45, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

No, Quest and questions, not "a reliable reference", but instead a reliable reference for everything asserted. As a humdrum example, the draft currently tells us: "1988 – Released LP See Emily Play, noted for its bleak and emotionally intense style." Which reliable reference noted "its bleak and emotionally intense style"? (An actual reliable reference, please; not some LLM-generated fiction.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:09, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Quest and questions, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I'm afraid that if you are talking about adding a reference to a page you are working on, you have almost certainly written your draft WP:backwards.

Writing a successful article begins with finding several sources that meet all the criteria in WP:42: you should do this first, because if you cannot find several, then you'll know that there is no point in spending any more time on this subject.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Need help finding sources

I'm struggling with finding sources. I use Google and have no problem finding more broad articles on a subject, but say I want to find a source calling a song heavy metal. I'll type that song's name and heavy metal in the infobox, then add parenthesis around them separately, so they're both in the page, but the terms are often nowehere near each other on the page. I've tried DuckDuckGo and some of Wikipedia's own modified versions of Google with this strategy and get next to no results.

Also, I'm not eligible for the Wikipedia Library yet, but do plan to use it when I reach my six months. Can it help with the problems I'm having? If not, what else can I use? CleoCat16 (talk) 00:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I know squat about heavy metal, CleoCat16, but the article Heavy metal genres suggests that it comes in a variety of flavors, each with a different name. So you might repeat the search but instead of "heavy metal" use one after another of the two or three likeliest flavors. The Wikipedia Library mostly has material that's more or less academic (tending toward the "more" end), but also local newspapers. I doubt that it would help you; however, I may here be overlooking this or that supplier of material to it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Instead of using parentheses, put double quotation marks around any exact phrase you're looking for (unfortunately, Google is no longer great with exact words/phrases, but DuckDuckGo still seems to be). For example, search on "song name" "heavy metal". Sometimes it's useful to play around with what you put inside the quotation marks (e.g., "heavy metal" vs. "heavy metal song"). If you know of a good heavy metal site, you can also do site-specific seaches by adding "site:" (including the colon) before the domain you want to search, such as site:heavymetal.com "song name" (make sure there is no space between the colon and the domain). If you want to exclude a term, use a minus sign in front (e.g., -classical). Another thing I find useful are date-limited searches (e.g., limit the results to pages that appeared in the last week, or from 2/12/2022 through 3/15/2024). In Google, click on Tools, then on Any time, then choose the option you want; in DuckDuckGo, click on Any time and then choose an option. With Google, you can also use their "advanced search" form: https://www.google.com/advanced_search. FactOrOpinion (talk) 02:36, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I didn't know about the double quotation marks. I'll try it soon. Thanks! CleoCat16 (talk) 02:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

On Google, you can also click on "Search tools" and change "All results" to "Verbatim". This will make Google more likely to return exact matches for your search CodeTalker (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @CleoCat16, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Please be aware that assignment of genre to music is sometimes hotly disputed (see Genre warrior). I suggest that you engage with Music genres task force, and work with people there. ColinFine (talk) 09:51, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Where to ask if people want to join me in working on an article

Hi, I am working on the 1990s in music article and I noticed there was a section for every continent except Africa -- so I started writing the section for Africa. However, as one might guess, trying to write about an entire continent's music is a lot... so I wondered if anyone would like to work on it too? I'm not sure if here is the right place to ask, I looked at the page for WikiProjects but I'm not entirely sure how they work. I'd appreciate any advice on where to recruit new contributors or how WikiProjects work, thanks! A. E. Katz (talk) 03:21, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

A WikiProject is a group of editors with a shared interest. I don't have a lot of experience with them, but they're a good place to ask for specialized information, they often have alerts about relevant articles (e.g., if there's a deletion discussion or an RfC relevant to their topic), etc. You can search for relevant WikiProjects here. For example, there's a WikiProject Africa, and that has two sections that look relevant: Needing work, and Articles to be written or improved. FactOrOpinion (talk) 04:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! A. E. Katz (talk) 13:35, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

@A. E. Katz and FactOrOpinion: There is also Wikipedia:WikiProject Music... CiaPan (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

ReFill

Is there a way to use Wikipedia:reFill on multiple articles at once? I'm trying to clean up the bare urls on some of Category:All articles with bare URLs for citations. Sushidude21! (talk) 03:41, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

@Sushidude21!, this is not really the answer to the question, but have you used reFill much before? I find it's output varies dramatically depending on the website. Some major website consistently give broken citations with the autofill, so I would personally not feel comfortable using reFill without checking its work first, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:06, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

That's a bad idea. There's a reason those aren't all fixed by now, and I find reFill is significantly more trouble than its worth. In any case, you shouldn't do that, as your changes would likely have to be mass-reverted and you'd end up in hot water. Cremastra (talk · contribs) 16:24, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Political

Political allegiance of Dewsbury Hall? 2A02:C7C:2C0A:1E00:F800:A5D6:7E76:B8EE (talk) 11:24, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I doubt that Dewsbury Town Hall has a political allegiance but if you mean some other Dewsbury Hall, you'll have to be more specific with your question and move it to an appropriate forum such as the humanities reference desk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:38, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I guess this is about Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall (who I had never heard of until I happened to see his name a couple of minutes ago, in a subtitle on a television in the store I am in). Unless the answer is in that article, we haven't got that information. Mike Turnbull's suggestion of asking at the Reference Desk is your best bet, but if the answer has not been reported in reliable publications, them we can't answer it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs) 15:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

GhostArchive

Hello, I'm using GhostArchive instead of Internet Archive for the sources of Wikipedia articles because Internet Archive often doesn't work. Now, GhostArchive loads quickly, but according to the documentation, short-form links are disallowed. Long-form links are required, but there's no tutorial in the documentation on how to turn a short-form URL into a long-form one. How can I do this? - Arcrev1 (talk) 17:13, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

From WP:GHOSTARCHIVE: If you have a short link (e.g. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/fwAS7), swap the 'archive' part of the URL to 'longurl' (e.g. https://ghostarchive.org/longurl/fwAS7), and visit the resulting URL to get the longform URL (in this case https://ghostarchive.org/archive/20210922203233/https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/download/) WelpThatWorked (talk) 17:48, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

YouTube as a carrier of a source that is not YouTube

There are literally hundreds of discussions on the Wikipedia:Reliable sources noticeboard about using a YouTube link as a source. Opinions vary, but generally, I've seen over the years that the distinction is "YouTube as a source" and "YouTube as merely a carrier of some other source, in which case the question is the reliability of the source being carried, not YouTube itself".

What I cannot find now is has anyone boiled down these years of discussions into a policy or guideline re using a YouTube link in a source citation. Can anyone help point me to that? N2e (talk) 23:46, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

@N2e: Check out WP:RSPYT. Mz7 (talk) 00:05, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Mz7. That's perfect. Yeah, I totally grok the idea that while many who use YouTube have no value as good sources, some do, and can carry their own info quality forward, independent of the carrier. This was the money quote:

"Content uploaded from a verified official account, such as that of a news organization, may be treated as originating from the uploader and therefore inheriting their level of reliability."

Teahouse help for the win!!! N2e (talk) 02:23, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Can I / How should I add custom graphics?

For the specific edit I want to make right now, I'm looking at the Antiprism page, where it shows the Schlegel diagrams of the semiregular antiprisms. There isn't a diagram for the digonal antiprism, even though there is a digonal antiprism in the table directly before it, and I want to add said diagram. The thing I'm worrying about is if the diagram I add will conflict stylistically with the diagrams next to it, or in some other way not match up to their standards.

Do I need to worry about stylistic consistency? If I do, how do I figure out which standards to follow? Anthonyhotel (talk) 00:10, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi Anthonyhotel, welcome to the Teahouse. I would just go for it, honestly. I agree with you that it would definitely look nicer if you followed the same style as the other diagrams that are there—if you could make the lines of the drawing red and the nodes black, that would be ideal. But I suspect this is a case where having some drawing is better than no drawing. If you want to upload a new image, you can do so by uploading it to the Wikimedia Commons: check out commons:Special:UploadWizard. Note that you can only contribute images that you hold the copyright to (or are not eligible for copyright), e.g. diagrams that you yourself created. Mz7 (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Anthonyhotel, the Schlegel diagram you added was self-intersecting, instead of being embedded in the plane. It has been removed by Dedhert.Jr. I encourage you to try again, with a nicely embedded version. Maproom (talk) 07:41, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, but I think I'm going to let it stay removed. I wasn't aware of the requirement for Schlegel diagrams to not be self intersecting, which makes sense in retrospect, and I don't think the graph can appropriately show the digonal-ness of the tetrahedron without intersecting itself. I added my image to the Antiprism graph page at the same time I added it to the main article, and that article's more general definition does allow self intersection, so I'm happy enough with that. Anthonyhotel (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Question on BLP1E, SINGLEEVENT, and AfD precedent

I'm seeking clarification on how to properly interpret and apply WP:BLP1E, WP:SINGLEEVENT, and WP:GNG in the context of this ongoing AfD discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Nasser Abulaban

The article concerns a subject known for a crime. However, the case has received sustained coverage in reliable national media (e.g., NBC, CBS, etc...), and has since inspired a documentary by G-Unit Film & Television for Peacock. Suggesting that there was continued cultural relevance for this crime.

Some editors argue for deletion under WP:BLP1E, while I believe the scope of coverage and continued public attention satisfy WP:GNG. While I acknowledge that a full biographical article may not be notable due to WP:SINGLEEVENT, I wonder whether the subject matter of the crime itself might warrant coverage.

My questions are:

1. When, if ever, does sustained media coverage and documentary treatment override BLP1E concerns?
2. How do articles like Gypsy-Rose Blanchard, Murder of Laci Peterson, Betty Broderick, or Murder of Eve Carson differ in policy application from cases like this (being Ali Nasser Abulaban)
3. If notability for is deemed insufficient for a stand-alone page, would WP:ATD-M (merging to an article about the crime or to a page that highlights the Peacock documentary) be more suitable than deletion?

I appreciate any guidance to better understand how notability and BLP policy interact in cases like this. Issac I Navarro (talk) Issac I Navarro (talk) 02:56, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Issac I Navarro, in my opinion this crime, though horrific, is pretty commonplace. "Man kills estranged wife and her subsequent boyfriend." This is a sad story that we've heard before. As for Gypsy-Rose Blanchard, her mother's many years of abuse was an unusual factor. Laci Peterson was eight months pregnant, a missing person for nearly four months, and the killer was living a secret life while convincingly pretending to be a loving husband. As for Eve Carson, murdered after a $700 robbery, five shots with a handgun failed to kill her and it took a sawed off shotgun to finish the crime. Also, there were two shooters. So, part of determining whether a murder should be covered on Wikipedia is how unusual the crime is. Cullen328 (talk) 07:56, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Would like to move an article to Mainspace

Hi! I’ve created an article draft at User:Storybysource/sandbox and would like it to be moved to mainspace under the title “Elvin Daniel Rodriguez.” Can someone assist with this move? Thanks!

User:Storybysource/sandbox Storybysource (talk) 04:16, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Storybysource: sorry, but your draft is not ready to be published in the encyclopaedia; it requires considerably more work. There is insufficient evidence that the subject is notable. The referencing is inadequate, as there are no inline citations which are required in articles on living people. The tone is very promotional throughout. And those photographs are almost certainly problematic in terms of copyright.

Could you also read and respond to the conflict of interest query I posted on your talk page. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:35, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

creating my wikipedia page

hi,

can i hire someone to create a wikipedia page for me? 94.207.73.78 (talk) 05:06, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Short answer is no, please see WP:FAMOUS 🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 05:57, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

@IP no.User:StopLookingAtMe1 07:08, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is that paid editing is widely unpopular among volunteers and strictly regulated. But it is not forbidden. See WP:PAID for what the Terms of Use says. Cullen328 (talk) 07:34, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Beware: WP:SCAM. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:39, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

why is this called teahouse

why is this called teahouse I am curious 121.44.215.202 (talk) 07:54, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Because drinking tea socially is relaxing and conducive to conversation. I am off to make two cups of actual tea right now, one for me and one for my wife. Cullen328 (talk) 07:58, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Village pump, so called because the local pump was a traditional meeting place (and still is in some communities). Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:49, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Real teahouses are also used as meeting places. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:16, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Abt the Gal Gadot page

Gal Gadot

I’m not experienced in editing rules. Can someone explain a sub-section is called ‘support for Israel’ when there are instances where she is critical of Israeli policies? Is this a mistake or a deliberate choice? Cherry567 (talk) 09:46, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

The best place to ask, Cherry567, is Talk:Gal Gadot. -- Hoary (talk) 10:32, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

thanks. I just repost the question in the talk section

You are here longer than a do. Based on your experience, is the topic a correct choice or not? Cherry567 (talk) 18:10, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

You have posted the question to Talk:Gal_Gadot#Gadot’s_views_on_Israel, and should wait for responses there. -- Hoary (talk) 22:07, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Declined draft

Help improving declined draft — reviewer suggested I ask here

Hi Teahouse editors,

I recently had my draft article Draft:Anatolis Spyrlidis was declined at AfC on 30 July 2025 by reviewer User:Qcne, who suggested I post here for guidance. The reasons given were “not meeting significant coverage” and “inline citation” requirements. I’d like to request specific help in addressing these points so I can resubmit successfully. The subject (myself) is a Greek Cypriot calligraffiti artist with:

• Coverage by The National Herald (international newspaper)
• Featured profile on the International Museum of Calligraphy site
• Inclusion in the published book Walled Island: Street Art of Cyprus (2025), which profiles 115 artists (StreetArt.cy)

Official Certificate of Appreciation from the Romanian Ministry of Culture, with event coverage on educatie.ong I believe this meets WP:ARTIST standards, but I understand formatting and inline referencing may need improvement. Could someone help me:

• Review my sources and confirm if they meet notability guidelines
• Show me how to format inline citations so each fact is properly referenced
• Recommend any structural or tone changes so the article is neutral and encyclopedic

Thank you for your time — and thanks to User:Qcne for pointing me here. Royalvenom (talk) 11:01, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

1. Please make a proper declaration, per WP:COI (or point to where you have already done so)
2. Do not add yourself to articles, as you did here
3. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY
4. Large parts of your draft are uncited; you need to cite a reliable source, independent of you, for each fact you include
5. The second source you list above is a reprint of the first, so cannot be counted for notability. Remove it.
6. For reference formatting, see WP:referencing for beginners.
7. When you have added the necessary citations, re-submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice.

Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Royalvenom. One of the things that makes it so difficult to write about yourself is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.

Has a reliable published source, wholly unconnected with you, said that you "bridge traditional calligraphy and street culture?" If so, then cite it. If not, then that doesn't belong in the article.

Has a reliable published source, wholly unconnected with you or with Pilot pens, said that you are the Cyprus ambassador for them? If not, then that doesn't belong in the article.

Since you currently have at most one source which is independent of you (the book might be, but searching for it online, I haven't found anything which indicates the publisher, so I'm dubious whether it counts as a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes), you have little or nothing on which a Wikipedia article could be based.

If you were to go ahead with this (which I don't recommend), you would need to

1. Find several sources which are completely independent of you and your associates, published by reputable publishers, and contain significant coverage of you, as opposed to your work. See WP:42.
2. If you have found several such sources (and only then), effectively forget everything you know about yourself, and write a neutral summary of what those sources say. If they don't mention something you think is important: tough. If they say something you think is wrong - well you shouldn't put anything in the article that contradicts what they say, and if another editor comes along later and adds information you don't like from one of those sources - again, tough.

Do you see why writing an article about yourself is so difficult?

I suggest you also read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine: It would be perfectly acceptable to cite Pilot Pens naming the OP as their Cyprus ambassador. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that would be acceptable as a source, Andy; but without an independent source, would it be appropriate to mention it? ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Nationality

Hello, I'm trying to create an article for the composer Apollon Gussakovsky (1841-1875). The sources I found are conflicting in the nationality. Some give his nationality as Russian while another gives it as Ukrainian. He was born in Okhtyrka (Ukraine) but it seems that he was active in St. Petersburg (Russia) for most of his life. Should I just simply skip the nationality and say that he was a citizen of the Russian Empire? WafflesInvasion (talk) 11:59, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

You can cite both sources and say "Sources differ regarding his nationality, A says X and B says Y". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:01, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

@WafflesInvasion According to our article about Okhtyrka, by 1841 it was part of the Kharkov Governorate, hence part of the Russian Empire. That suggests that at the time he might well have considered himself Russian. However, Andy's suggestion is the safer option. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Declined the CFR

I wrote CFRtheory, but I don't know how to write wiki text, so my theory submission was declined, what can I do now? 103.55.99.159 (talk) 16:44, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Courtesy link: They appear to be referring to Draft:Cosmic Fabric Refactoring. --Finngall ^talk 16:59, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

IP editor: if you are User:Sra2009, please log in before editing. Your draft seems to include entirely fictional sources. What is the DOI of reference #1, which you say is an article in a 2025 issue of the Journal of Theoretical Physics. And what is the correct citation for reference #3, which currently links to example.com, an apparently "reliable source" according to you? Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

And if you are Syed Resad Ali, please see WP:COI and WP:PAID. Maybe WP:FRINGE also applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:18, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

ISBN of reference #2 is also fake. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:45, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull, there is I think a very mild comic value in {{Cite web |title=Theoretical Applications of Quantum Field Manipulation |url=https://example.com |publisher=Reputable Source |access-date=2025-07-23}}. On the other foot, example.com actually exists, and it tells the world: "This domain is for use in illustrative examples in documents. You may use this domain in literature without prior coordination or asking for permission." Perhaps some limited kind of "intelligence" might infer that example.com is for use in illustrative examples in Wikipedia articles, without prior asking for Wikipedia's permission. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Updating Eric Rubin's Biography Page

Hi there,

I am working to update Eric Rubin page, the Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and NEJM Group. My colleagues and I have made the requested edits and have had trouble hearing back from an editor for weeks now. Any feedback to help get this published would be helpful.

Thank you, Talia TpantaleoIMG (talk) 16:53, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

TpantaleoIMG The whole url is not needed when linking, I've fixed this.

You have received a response today(scroll to the bottom of the article talk page); wholesale rewrites are not done via the edit request process. Edits requests should propose small, incremental changes, one or two at a time, so that a volunteer does not need to invest a large amount of time in reviewing the request. 331dot (talk) 20:04, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

"My colleagues and I"—If you are writing on behalf of or about your colleague, please see WP:PAID and WP:BOSS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:35, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Discography

I just updated a band's discography with over 15 titles now I need to write the linked pages

How do I complete writing this discography? all of the links are in red, I need access to basically rewite the whole discography - how do I do this today? SMFitzgerald (talk) 16:56, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Eagles_of_Death_Metal#Discography --Finngall ^talk 17:22, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Before you start writing, what you'll probably want to do is gather the sources you can find for the albums. Wikipedia only hosts articles for topics that are notable, which, in this context, means topics that have been written about by reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Thus, we can only have articles about any of these albums if sources other than the Eagles of Death Metal themselves have written and published material about them. In my experience, one of the best ways to find sources for albums is to look up professional reviews they've received. I would recommend not starting on writing any articles until you've had a chance to collect your sources and identify which albums have been written about enough to support an article in the first place. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:28, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

I completed my first album draft:

I added a sentence about the album, sourced that info from a book already sourced on their page, then added 11 online retailers who sell the album and album reviews using this format:

I hope this was sufficient; if not, please advise and thank you. SMFitzgerald (talk) 20:41, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

I have left some feedback on the draft, but online sellers are not suitable sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:08, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

References

Confusing block

 Courtesy link: User talk:Gjb0zWxOb § August 2025

Hello, I was recently blocked by an admin for an edit that I had made a month ago which was reverted a day later and which I did not undo. The admin said that if I provide my reasoning for my edit (which was reverted), my account would be unblocked. After I did that, the admin seemed satisfied with my response but then commented that he will, "leave it to another Admin to decide." I was under the impression that my response was sufficient. I have now submitted my appeal and it remains pending. I find this block to be pretty bizarre since it was a "temporary indefinite" block that was done a month after the activity happened. Quite frankly, I just want to get back to editing. Is there anything else I can do to sort this out? Thanks. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 18:01, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

I for one would be very wary of unblocking you as long as there's no satisfactory response -- indeed, no response of any kind -- to User talk:Gjb0zWxOb#Jewish terrorism, in which questions were posed less than one month ago. -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Gjb, I would say that from what the admins posted on your talk page, they believe that you (perhaps unintentionally) were using incorrect edit summaries that did not match the information you were putting on the page. Particularly with the 'Supremacism' article, the information you added also did not accurately describe what the source said, appearing to be your own original research.

Suggest reviewing Yamla's comment on declining your unblock request, along with Hoary's post immediately prior MilesVorkosigan (talk) 22:43, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

I responded to everything raised on my talkpage. There was a bit of confusion on my part based on where to put my comments. I started by putting them on the Jewish Terrorism talkpage, which I had participated in earlier in the month but then moved on to other things. Then when the unblock request was denied, I addressed the Admin's concerns on my talkpage in my new unblock request where he said he would "leave it for another admin to decide." In the block edit summary, it said, "Temporary block until editor responds to recent questions about their edits on Jewish terrorism." What else can be done? Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 23:51, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Well, I ‘’’would’’’ have said that as far as I can see you haven’t really addressed the substance of their concerns, or what I pointed out, but when I was clicking around to make sure I explained extended-confirmed status to you correctly, I saw that you have A LOT more edits than I do.

I’d be happy to try to explain things to a newbie, but… why do ‘’’you’’’ need this explanation? MilesVorkosigan (talk) 01:03, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Review of new article - Conflict of interest

Hello, I am Jan Rosenow, the subject of a draft biography currently under review via Articles for Creation. I have disclosed my conflict of interest and am seeking independent review and feedback to ensure the article meets Wikipedia’s standards for neutrality and notability. If any uninvolved editors from this WikiProject would be willing to review or comment on the draft, I would greatly appreciate it. The draft is here: User:Janoxon/sandbox Thank you!🙏 Janoxon (talk) 18:57, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Janoxon. You have not submitted this for review. Please press the big blue Submit your draft for review! button. qcne (talk) 19:57, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Apologies, I misspoke. I did not yet submit it as I was cautious about it being rejected. I’m seeking feedback on the article to improve it. Janoxon (talk) 20:10, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Feedback to improve comes from the review process, so I do think the best way fwd is to submit for review. qcne (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Tables

How do I center a Content cell? 1Bluep (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi 1Bluep, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't think it's possible in VisualEditor which you usually use. In the source editor, write style="text-align:center;" | A, where A is the content to display in the cell. See the end of Help:VisualEditor#Getting started: the VisualEditor toolbar for how to switch editor on a slanted pencil icon. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Talk page on Copy Edit list

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello Wikipedia Ninjas!

I'm not sure if this is the right place for it, but I didn't know where else to draw attention to it. I'm working on articles through the Task Center - specifically the copy edit list, and on THIS page of the list, I saw that a talk page archive is on there, User talk:Equalwidth/Archive 1. I think removing it is above my "pay grade" so I thought I would start here to look for help. JesseL0vesT0ast (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Fixed, like this. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:12, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is it okay to update Lyrical G’s career start date to 1994 using Alchetron as a source?

Hi

I’m editing the Wikipedia article on Lyrical G. The article currently says he started his rap career in the 1990s, but I found a source Alchetron that specifically states he began in 1994.

I understand that Alchetron is a user generated site and may not meet Wikipedia’s reliable sourcing standards. However, I’ve searched extensively and this appears to be the only source available online that gives a specific career start year.

Would it be acceptable to use this source just for that one fact (with a proper citation)? Or should I stick with the broader "1990s" wording in the article until a more reliable source is found? Thilio (talk) 00:28, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Stick with the broader "1990s" wording in the article until a more reliable source is found. -- Hoary (talk) 00:44, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks you so much. Thilio (talk) 00:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Citing two chapters from the same CD album booklet

How do I cite two different essays by two different authors that are included in the same compact disc liner note booklet? Trying to do that at this article, but haven't been able to figure out how yet. Please see the last two items listed in that page's sources. As always, thank you for your help! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:44, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Quotation with expletive in it

Hello! On this article at the very bottom of Background and recording is a quote from a July 2020 interview that says "so many girls for the future [...], just showing that vulnerable place of figuring this stuff out for herself." However, in the original interview, Strayer uses the word "shit" instead of "stuff". I found here that quotes should be verbatim, but also if there is an alternative that doesn't change meaning and isn't vulgar then to go with that. So, my question here is should I change the quote in the article to use the word shit as in the original interview, should I do something like [stuff] in the quote since it is edited, or something else? Thanks for the help! DavidL87 (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Robots FAQ

Why are robots considered excessive editing thanks and regards 129.126.36.49 (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

An article about New Wave artists, who made the transition to dance-pop?

Hello, I am a music enthusiast, and I arguably have been reminded that everytime I look through New Wave artists, who played their own tunes, they were the reasons their own records, became popular, sold millions of dollars, and when the genre left, they made the transition to dance-pop. I found an article about this on SusQueHannock Courier, and I was wondering if I could use it, under New Wave, please?! Thank you! Televisionbuff831G (talk) 02:03, 6 August 2025 (UTC)