Draft talk:French historiography

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They should be considered for inclusion after release. Mathglot (talk) 04:38, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Raw notes moved to talk

Moving raw notes and incomplete portions here, in prep for release of draft. By section name of the article: Mathglot (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Vichy syndrome

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Raw notes: (expand into text or remove before release).

• Level of responsibility of "France" (vs. "French state"/Germany) for the Holocaust in France
  • Gaullist view
  • No apology before Chirac (1995)

• Authenticity question
  • Continuity of "French Republic" and authenticity (or not) of Vichy

Epurations?

Lack of prosecution (or discussion) of Vichy issues after Mathglot (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Article incubator

This article is a high-level look at a broad topic comprising many subtopics which are notable topics in their own right, and could be expanded into articles. Almost all of the level 2 and 3 sections, and many of the level 4 subsections are in this category.

Take for example, the § Methodology and schools section near the top. All eight of the schools have ample reliable sources, are clearly notable topics on their own, and could easily be their own article. Several already are, like Annales school, which is a mature article concentrating on French historiography of the period, but others, although mature like Marxist historiography, offer a worldwide view, and even the long section on § Western historiography has little to say about French historiography (half a sentence), whereas there is a great deal to say about it. Other articles about French schools, like Nouvelle histoire, are primarily about French historiography, but are short stubs in need of expansion, and plenty of sources are available to do so.

Even the twenty or so level 4 subsections in this article under sections § Nation and identity, § Middle Ages, § 19th century, § World War II, § 1950s, and § 1960s are all notable topics in their own right, and could be developed as historiographical spin-off articles. So this article should be viewed as an article incubator, functioning as a parent article in WP:Summary style, containing summary sections about numerous notable topics which point the way to the development of many new articles. Mathglot (talk) 20:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

This really is a huge topic, and here are just some of the additional subtopics that could or should have sections eventually:

• the role of the state in history – the strong centralized state and histories based on kings and institutions led to debate about top-down and later bottom-up (microhistory)
• political vs. social – tradition bucked in the 20th c. with social histories based on peasants and everyday life
• France’s "civilizing mission" and other national myths
• Colonial history – esp. Algeria, Indochina, West Africa
• Women's history – and gender roles, feminism, lack of histories of women
• Religion and secularism (Laïcité) – historic influence of the Catholic Church vs. republican adherence to strong secular foundation
• Intellectuals – what is their role in French life; historians who are both (Michelet, Braudel, Nora); historical neutrality vs social advocacy
• National curriculum – what to say about the Revolution, colonial period, and national identity
• Immigration – their role in French history and how they are depicted
• digital history – more access to some things, but raises questions about change in methods skimping on other artifacts
• centralized (Parisian) vs. regional focus – traditionally everything focused on Paris

I'm sure there's plenty more. Mathglot (talk) 05:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

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