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Stub report, October 2019

Hi Bat watchers, I decided to take a deeper look at where our 745 stubs are as of 6 October 2019. Not sure what I was expecting, but to see Miniopteridae at nearly 70% stubs was surprising. Molossids are the best of the larger families on average, at 23.3% stubs. Since March 2018 we've lost net 177 stubs, or an average of 9.3 per month. 178 articles have been added to the project since then, so it's encouraging to see the number of stubs tick downward even as new content is created. At this rate we'll be rid of stubs in 6.7 years (goodness that feels far away). Thanks to any and all who have edited bats over the last few years! Enwebb (talk) 01:53, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Family	# Articles	# Stubs	% Stubs
Craseonycteridae	1	0	0
Emballonuridae	108	35	0.324074074
Furipteridae	5	2	0.4
Hipposideridae	161	45	0.279503106
Megadermatidae	16	2	0.125
Miniopteridae	36	25	0.694444444
Molossidae	202	47	0.232673267
Mormoopidae	14	3	0.214285714
Mystacinidae	6	0	0
Myzopodidae	4	2	0.5
Natalidae	22	8	0.363636364
Noctilionidae	5	0	0
Phyllostomidae	415	123	0.296385542
Pteropodidae	396	122	0.308080808
Rhinolophidae	146	55	0.376712329
Rhinopomatidae	8	3	0.375
Thyropteridae	7	2	0.285714286
Vespertilionidae	782	246	0.314578005
Total	2,334	720

First annual Tree of Life Decemberween contest

After all the fun with the Spooky Species Contest last month, there's a new contest for the (Northern hemisphere's) Winter holidays at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Contest. It's not just Christmas, but anything festive from December-ish. Feel free to add some ideas to the Festive taxa list and enter early and often. --Nessie (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

IUCN updates

The IUCN just updated >8,000 species today, including 6700+ new assessments. Here are the bat assessments that have been published in 2019. Putting these here so that they can be systematically updated. I've updated many already (the ones that have come out prior to today). Just needed a way to stop duplicating my own efforts. Enwebb (talk) 04:15, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

completed

All updated except for missing articles! Enwebb (talk) 20:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Need new analysis

I think that we need a new,more recent analysis of how any of our articles are stubs. Anybody agree? TheLordOfWikis (talk) 18:04, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TheLordOfWikis, sorry, missed your post! I can make a more current version of the above stub report. Enwebb (talk) 14:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 2020 stub report

Family	# Articles	# Stubs	% Stubs
Craseonycteridae	1	0	0
Emballonuridae	65	33	50.8
Furipteridae	5	2	40
Hipposideridae	111	40	36
Megadermatidae	16	2	12.5
Miniopteridae	37	19	51.4
Molossidae	139	42	30.2
Mormoopidae	12	3	25
Mystacinidae	6	0	0
Myzopodidae	4	2	50
Natalidae	20	8	40
Noctilionidae	5	0	0
Phyllostomidae	271	123	45.4
Pteropodidae	243	120	49.4
Rhinolophidae	97	53	54.6
Rhinopomatidae	8	3	37.5
Thyropteridae	7	2	28.6
Vespertilionidae	514	245	47.8
Total	1561	697

I've realized the statistics weren't calculated correctly in October. Parent categories and their child stub categories were added together by Petscan, giving an inflated total number of articles. The new table is more accurate (and unfortunately, less rosy in terms of stub percentages across the board). The good news is that the total number of stubs has decreased by 23 since October. Enwebb (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Updated Missing Articles

Enwebb, I've updated all of the missing articles that you listed in the talk. Are there any more articles that need updating?TheLordOfWikis (talk) 08:57, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to write more missing articles, there's the list of missing articles (though not all these are recognized as full species, it depends on what database you're using. I've been using mammaldiversity.org). All the stubs in the project are found here if you want to improve existing articles. The most popular bat articles are here if you want to work on something that will benefit lots of people! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enwebb (talk • contribs) 09:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Working on GAs moving forward

Hi, I just nominated Cinnamon red bat for GA and found it to be a relatively quick process. I selected the article because it recently had a species account published in Mammalian Species. As a high-quality secondary source, the MS publication did about all the work for me. I think I'm going to start working backwards through their recently published Chiroptera accounts, aiming to have a GAN every other month or so. If anyone would like to collaborate (or would like mentorship on their first GAN) I'm open to working together. Enwebb (talk) 03:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Enwebb, I would like to be of some help.TheLordOfWikis (talk) 06:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TheLordOfWikis, how about Dwarf dog-faced bat? On first glance it looks okay but lots of the content is uncited and will have to be replaced. Do you have any sections in particular you'd like to work on? Any you'd prefer to avoid? Also let me know if you want me to email you a PDF to the MS publication--doesn't look like it's on ResearchGate. Enwebb (talk) 17:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I could work on that. I would like to avoid the description section, though. Email me the MS PDF on TheLordOfWikis@yandex.com. TheLordOfWikis (talk) 03:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Enwebb, well done for the Cinnamon red bat! I have been working on the Western barbastelle lately. It is still a bit far to GA's standards, and I might not be able to work on it on a daily base, but in case you would be interested. The MS for this species is from 1997, therefore, it will require a certain amount of additional references.I am personally happy to work more on distribution and ecology, and maybe go into my first GAN process, in some weeks maybe?. Fulup56 (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fulup56, sure, I'd be happy to work on western barbastelle and help you nominate. I can't promise working on it daily either, don't worry :)

It's looking pretty good so far. I think the lead and the description could use expansion, and I'm not seeing information about their reproductive behaviors yet. Enwebb (talk) 16:04, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TheLordOfWikis, that email didn't work. I got an email saying the delivery of the email was blocked due to "Policy rejection on the target address". You can enable email in your preferences, which would let me email you through Wikipedia. If you don't mind a somewhat unconventional method of accessing papers, you can use Sci-Hub. Once you enable email access, you can also use the Resource Request feature of the Wikipedia Library. Enwebb (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Enwebb Yeah, I've enabled email so that you can email me. Thanks.TheLordOfWikis (talk) 17:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IUCN status updates

176 bats have had their IUCN statuses updated in 2020. Some will need their statuses changed and references updated, while some will just need their references updated. Some articles also need to be created. Enwebb (talk) 19:33, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For updating IUCN references the {{make cite iucn}} template may be useful. Use {{make cite iucn|THE CITATION COPIED FROM THE IUCN PAGE}}. I can't get it to substitute properly, but previewing it and coping the {{cite iucn}} code works well enough and avoids fussing with the citation template parameters. — Jts1882 | talk 19:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jts1882, Thank you for the suggestion! That is less tedious than what I've been doing. Enwebb (talk) 23:18, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the issue with substitution. The problem was that substitution doesn't work within <ref>...</ref>. The solution is to add the tags with the {{make cite iucn}} template using |ref=iucn, which cause the substitution of a {{cite iucn}} within a <ref name=iucn>...</ref>. See the {{make cite iucn}} documentation for an example. — Jts1882 | talk 14:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Enwebb, Lyroderma lyra already exists as a page, although it is under the old genus name, Megaderma lyra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLordOfWikis (talk • contribs) 04:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chiropterophily

The term chiropterophily apparently leads to the article on pollination syndromes. I expanded it there, more in the line of plant anatomy, but I also rewrote/expanded it at zoophily. So what should be the 'main' article? Bit ambiguous. One could also easily combine the two and make a separate article. Thoughts? Takers? Leo Breman (talk) 22:13, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Leo Breman, hi, I've been on a bit of a wiki-break. I think it would be nice to have a full article, but I don't think I have the stamina to do so myself. Basically, I think it's fine the way it is, and if someone has the energy, it would also be great to have a detailed stand-alone article. I'd love to have more great bat content, but I'm trying to pace myself in what I can personally commit to. Enwebb (talk) 03:50, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

73 more IUCN updates for 2020

Mostly note to self, but looks like a few more IUCN statuses have been updated this year. Can be easily updated with {{make cite iucn|THE CITATION COPIED FROM THE IUCN PAGE}} with |ref=iucn, per above. Enwebb (talk) 03:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Month-long article improvement drive?

This project has been more or less dead in the water since Enwebb stopped editing regularly. Considering that our scope includes the most speciose group of mammals, we really should be seeing more activity. To help pump some new life into this project, I propose a one-month long article-improvement drive in March. The drive will use a point-based system identical to the one used by MILHIST. The competitors with the most and second-most points will be awarded barnstars. Based on the response, we could even keep this as a rolling year-long contest like MILHIST does. Pinging members: fulup56, enwebb, Pagliaccious, Hyperik, LeafyVerdant, Cygnis insignis, Gen. Quon, 01234lukeorom, battykin, Simmy27star

Proposed scoring system
		Ending class
		Start /List	C/ CL	B/ BL	GA	A/ AL	FA/ FL
Beginning class	None/Stub	+1	+3	+6	+11	+21	+26
	Start/List		+2	+5	+10	+20	+25
	C/CL			+3	+8	+18	+23
	B/BL				+5	+15	+20
	GA					+10	+15
	A/AL						+5

Hsunycteris vs Lonchophylla

Woodman and Timm, 2006 described two new species L. cadenai and L. pattoni. Velazco, Soto-Centeno, Fleck, Voss and Simmons, 2017 described new genus Hsunycteris, moved those two species into it along with L. thomasi, and described H. dashe. Any issues with me making the new genus, the three new species, and updating Lonchophylla and L. thomasi? This is being done as part of the work from Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals/Missing mammal species. (@Gimly24: FYI) - UtherSRG (talk) 13:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request: Handbook of the Mammals of the World Vol. 9 - Bats

I am currently in search of the "Handbook of the Mammals of the World, Vol. 9 - Bats" to aid in improving related articles. Unfortunately, due to the high cost, obtaining a copy has proven challenging for me.

If any members have access to the handbook and are willing to share it, I would deeply appreciate it. I'm currently working on trying to improve the bat articles and I think the handbook would be a great reference to have. Myth Sys (talk) 03:06, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Myth Sys: The text is available as a csv file on GitHub (hmw-volume-9.csv). Not ideal, but you can read the text in Excel and it has links to distribution maps. I don't know about the copyright position, but this is part of scientific project funded by the NIH and NSF.— Jts1882 | talk 14:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ASM MDD 1.12

I note here that the new version of the MDD is out. In the 38 newly listed species, there's a good chunk of them that are bats. I haven't looked to see about the rest of the ~75 updates. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]