Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Marvel Cinematic Universe task force

The Illuminerdi source reliability

hi all! i noticed the website The Illuminerdi [1] was listed as unreliable by this wikiproject. can i ask what the rationale for this is as i couldn't find any discussion. does it extend to all content, including interviews, or is it because the site contains other unreliable content, listicles etc.? i'm entirely unfamiliar with it, but the site appears to be the source of an interview i wish to include in a film article not directly related to this project. many thanks!--Plifal (talk) 11:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

@Plifal: I just noticed your message and wanted to let you know that The Illuminerdi is listed as unreliable specifically because it includes rumors and unverifiable reports, but any interviews exclusive to the site may be used as they are the original source of said interviews. I hope this helps! — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥 ^{(discuss · contribs)} 23:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

@Trailblazer101, many thanks, appreciate your work as always!--Plifal (talk) 23:41, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Agent Carter (TV series) has an RfC

Agent Carter (TV series) has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Midnight Sons

I've been seeing the unreliable insiders drum up these rumors again that there seems to be more effort going into developing the long rumored Midnight Sons project. I know we tend to formally create a draft when there's more substantial reporting out there, but I didn't know if it wouldn't be beneficial to at least start gathering some nuggets that have dropped in the past to form some prose (could be in a user space sandbox, happy to lend one of mine) to have a starting basis for this since it's likely to be a relatively soon project from Marvel. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Have you seen anything reliable that we could base it on? What I have seen feels more hopeful than anything. The one thing that comes to mind is the mention we have at the Blade draft, but that is more speculation. Feels more like a sandbox situation until there is something more concrete. - adamstom97 (talk) 15:56, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah nothing concrete, all from the likes of DanielRPK, Cosmic Circus etc. But that was my thinking, using a sandbox space just to gather the rumors that have come out so when any formal/more reliable info comes about, we can have that ready to go to include in a draft should it be relevant. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I would not be opposed to some work being started in a sandbox to compile the rumblings about such a film and proceeding with it in the draftspace should it eventuate. My thoughts are that the Michael Green rumors may have some validity to them, either for an individual film or it being folded into Doctor Strange 3 given Blade is still in limbo, but the more recent Blade integration rumors of him popping up in something like Secret Wars may have some merit. I have been keeping a watchful eye on the potential Midnight Sons rumors, so it would not hurt to get the ball rolling on this, just in case, similar to how we cover the very early Thunderbolts prospects at that film's article. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥 ^{(discuss · contribs)} 22:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm happy to give part of one of my sandboxes to gather this info. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Forgot to reply sooner, we can use User:Favre1fan93/sandbox/7 to drop any links or info for this. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:27, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Additional Literary Material

For this year's MCU films we have started adding the "Additional Literary Material" credits from WGA to articles. I don't think we should be doing this, it is for material that is "not on-screen" and we don't always know what that material is. Including them alongside the actual credited writers could be misleading and WP:UNDUE. For Brave New World the list includes Jeph Loeb, and it seems highly unlikely that he was actually involved in the film. It is more likely that something he did in comics came up during the WGA crediting process. The First Steps list feels especially egregious, as it is a bunch of random writers who may have just consulted on the film and helped with some jokes or something. If we don't have independent sources discussing their involvement in the film, I think we should be leaving these out. - adamstom97 (talk) 14:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

That makes sense. For First Steps, since Peter Cameron was mentioned earlier in the article, I just slapped the WGA credit source on that info to close that loop as it were, but I don't think we need to bring further highlight to that credit. And as you said, if Shakman or any of the other writers say post release "X person came in an did a Y pass", when X person is in the additional credits, then that feels relevant. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

If you want to add this to the project page, I wouldn't object. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I have been questioning the additional literary material credits being necessary for inclusion after seeing them creep into other film articles. For Brave New World, I think the only additions with some merit of noting are Matthew Orton (given he rewrote the script for Marvel but went uncredited) and maybe Michael Kastelein because he worked with Spellman on TF&TWS. I think Loeb's name appearing on the list is purely due to the comic influences, while Wells may have provided some comedic elements or comic input, but probably not worth including those. Ditto for the First Steps ones. It seems Orton, Cameron, and Lee Sung Jin are in the same group of uncredited screenwriters for these projects and are probably the only ones we should note out of these as a good standard practice. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥 ^{(discuss · contribs)} 02:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I have added some wording about writing credits to the project page under WP:MCUWGA. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Looks good! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Marvel Studios GA nom

Greetings, one and all. I had nominated the Marvel Studios article for Good article status a while ago and it was being reviewed at Talk:Marvel Studios/GA1 as part of the summer backlog drive. However, several key points of contention in the requests for improving the article were raised and the review did not go over as smoothly as I had hoped for, with the requests proving more time consuming than I had anticipated. As such, I have formally requested the nomination to be withdrawn to allow more adequate time for the improvements to be made while not being at the expense of sacrificing the article's quality by rushing the changes. I am inquiring about any assistance in implementing the suggested changes before re-nominating this article, at which point I would nominate it under the "Media and drama" subsection at WP:GAN#STAGE. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥 ^{(discuss · contribs)} 01:20, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Cast and characters list linking

@MarioProtIV: Please kindly discuss your proposed bold additions of links to the Cast section for List of Marvel Cinematic Universe film actors and Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe here to determine consensus. Just because the DCEU articles do that does not mean it is necessary for the MCU articles, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. What is benefitted from adding these links to lists with dozens of names? If readers want to know more about the cast and characters in a specific work, they would naturally follow the links already included in the "Cast" sections. The Characters list hardly provides all of the characters in the franchise and the actors list is for every actor and does not include much other information not already covered by the cast lists in each individual article. I know the addition of these links have been reverted in the past. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥 ^{(discuss · contribs)} 04:43, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

How come DCEU has them then? I know OSE is a valid reason it shouldn’t be on the MCU pages, but I tried looking for something that gave DCEU the leeway to do so but I could not find it. I felt like MCU deserves it a little more because of the vast amount of characters in the franchise. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 04:56, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

I am not sure why or when the DCEU articles began using these links because I have not edited most of those articles. I feel like linking to extensive lists would cause readers to become confused by what they are looking at and potentially difficult to find what they may be looking for. It would be different if it were say, on the Iron Man film articles, linking to a list for cast and characters in the Iron Man film series, but pointing readers to an lists with sub-lists for an entire shared universe would get them lost without sufficient redirects to specific sections. Plus, some links in these Cast sections already redirect to the Characters list entries, where applicable. I'm just seeing too many potential defects in adding these links and not much gained from them. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥 ^{(discuss · contribs)} 05:28, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

I am against including these links. The list of film actors does not provide any further information about the characters in a given film. A see also link may be more appropriate, but unnecessary as the link is already covered in the MCU navbox and is not especially relevant for the film articles. If the characters pages were in a better state and actually did provide more information about the characters in each film then I could see the argument for that one, but in their current state I don't think we should be directing more people to them tbh. - adamstom97 (talk) 11:12, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

I concur with the above. On rare occasions, an editor here and there may find the linked articles useful or interesting, but that is no substitute for being relevant and necessary. They should be directly serving the film (of which they are located) in some manner, but they are not in any meaningful way. Maybe someday, the target articles will be better organized, and we'll have links to more relevant sections to consider, but right now that's not the case. And like it was mentioned, the links already exist down below in a navbox, which should be sufficient for now. --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:09, 29 July 2025 (UTC)