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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

Voting count table (>60%)

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1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
   1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
   2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
   3. Have at least 4 participants.
2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
   1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
   2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
3. For proposed additions from August 2024 onwards, the nominator should list (and possibly link to) at least one potential section in the level 5 vital articles list for the article to be added to. Supporters can also help in this regard.

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Remove The floor is lava  5, possible swap for Imaginary friend

This is a game that a lot of kids play but it hasn't been entrenched in culture as much as the other inclusions on this list. It is not even a well-defined 'game' as there is typically no concrete objective, it's just a thing some kids do. It is also a fairly recent game as it seems to have originated in the 1930s with the introduction of living rooms populated with furniture. I assume it was added because it was a somewhat popular meme a few years back and there was a Netflix show with the same name but the game's popularity was short-lived after that [1]. Hard to justify having this when we don't have more established games like Simon Says. I would rather have Imaginary friend which is dually notable in child's play and developmental psychology. High-Importance in Wikiproject Psychology and more average pageviews than The floor is lava even factoring in the spikes from the release of the Netflix show.

Support

1. As nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:48, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
2. Support add Imaginary friend, perhaps with another swap. 19:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeogSage (talk • contribs)
3. Support remove Makkool (talk) 13:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose remove the floor is lava. I have seen kids from three different cultures play this game, at different times, wouldn't be where I'd start cuts. The concrete objective is to be the last one who doesn't touch the lava, at least in my experience as a player/observer of the game. Sometimes, you become a lava monster and the objective is to make everyone else lava monsters. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 19:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
2. Oppose swap with imaginary friend, could perhaps support another swap Makkool (talk) 13:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Intentional community

As far as I can tell, there isn't yet a vital article covering the topic of people who choose to live together and often share their property. Utopian socialism could be an alternative.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
2. To subcultures. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Doesn't seem to me like a vital concept Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Comments

• I think this would go under Community  3 in Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies#Groups. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Language variants (set 2)

Add West African Pidgin English

The proposal to add African French made me to think this. West African Pidgin English has 75 million speakers over several countries. BBC World Service has broadcasted news on this language since 2017.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Support, although maybe Nigerian Pidgin would be a better addition. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add Peninsular Spanish

The European form of Spanish. We currently list only 2 variants of Spanish (compared to 4 variants of French), when Spanish is the second most spoken native language in the world.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add Rioplatense Spanish

The form of Spanish spoken in Argentina and Uruguay. The same justification as for Peninsular Spanish, we list only 2 variants of Spanish when French gets 4.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Religion adds (set 2 of 2)

Add Liberation theology

Very significant theological movement, first in the Catholic church relating to Latin America and later in a broadening context. Place under Christian theology  5 after it's added.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add Confessing Church

An opposing Protestant church or movement to the Nazis during the Third Reich. Historically significant in German Protestantism. It’s key founding member Dietrich Bonhoeffer  4 is V4.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add JD.com

Since 2023, it has been the largest Chinese retailer by revenue and it is currently the 15th largest Chinese company overall, ahead of Alibaba Group  4.

Support

1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Xiaomi would be a more worthwhile addition, as a larger and arguably more notable company. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

1. @Feminist: it is not a larger company. Xiaomi's revenue is US$50.971 billion (2024) whereas JD.com's revenue is US$152.8 billion (2023). Sahaib (talk) 06:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

   Xiaomi is more than twice the size of JD by market capitalization. It also has more international operations with a broader scope (consumer electronics, including being the #2 smartphone maker in the world behind Apple Inc.  4) instead of the mostly e-commerce pure-play that is overshadowed by Alibaba Group  4 in China alone. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Corporatism

Corporatism is an political ideology that was common at various times in the past.

Support

1. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:00, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add Proletarian internationalism

An ideology of the Soviet Union and of communism in general.

Support

1. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add Hegemony or Power (international relations)

I would prefer Hegemony (70 interwikis) but Power (international relations) (23 interwikis) would work as an alternative. We currently have Power (social and political)  3 at VA3 and Superpower  5, Great power  5, Hard power  5, and Soft power  5 at VA5. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. Added support for Hegemony. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. Hegemony is an important concept in poli science. I am not sure if we need this dimension of power here, however, so I am neutral for that one. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Support hegemony, neutral on power. 19:28, 22 May 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lophotrochozoa (talk • contribs)
4. Support Hegemony. ALittleClass (talk) 00:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Pinging nom EchoVanguardZ who forgot to add the voting section, or support their own proposal. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Add European political party

Type of Political party  3 found in the European Parliament  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Sahaib (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add Audi

A 108-interwiki article that hasn't been listed yet? Really?

Support

1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Car brands like this are household names. V5 them. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Support. --Thi (talk) 07:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
4. I'd rather add this and remove either Mercedes-Benz  5 or Mercedes-Benz Group  5, which seem redundant.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

1. Could support a swap. We are over-quota in this section and car companies aren't where I'd look first to fill any gaps. We represent luxury car companies already through BMW  5 and Mercedes-Benz  5/Mercedes-Benz Group  5 and these two brands take the top 2 slots in luxury car sales. Audi is 3rd. That being said, Audi's sales are very impressive for a luxury car company and units sold last year even exceeded standard car company sales such as Renault  5. Also, having a large number of interwikis is a supporting factor for inclusion on VA5 but doesn't provide a guarantee. David Woodard has 333 interwikis but have you heard of him? Aurangzebra (talk) 23:15, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

Remove Art and culture law, add Legal professional privilege

Art and culture law  5 seems to be covering a number of relatively unrelated things which are already covered in other places, and only has 4 other language versions. Compared to other articles in this section, it also has fewer pageviews, around 10 per day. I think Legal professional privilege is more important. It has about 30 pageviews per day and 11 other language versions. I do see that Attorney–client privilege has 3 times as many pageviews, but that article is restricted to the USA. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 00:26, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator.
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 23:10, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Support remove, oppose add Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Add several careers related to trades

Above, I nominated Journeyman  5 and On-the-job training  5. In addition to these, I think we should consider adding the following topics.

Add Tradesperson

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. From the article, "The terms "skilled worker," "craftsman," "artisan," and "tradesman" were used in senses that overlap". The article doesn't have many interwikis, nor does it make a well argued (referenced) case why it is not a synonym of the above. I'll support adding a better-known (IMHO) term "artisan" below (8 vs 42 interwikis). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Artisan  5

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Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per my comment above. 42 interwikis, important historical concept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

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Add Master craftsman

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. 14 interwikis, I am not convinced. Craftsman is a disambig and states that craftsman is just an experienced and succesfull artisan. The article itself tends to be more murky on that. I am wary of adding to many synonyms/overlapping and poorly defined concepts. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Machinist

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. 14 interwikis. Is this profession vital at this level? I am not convinced. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Signature

GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Add incense related pages.

Above, Incense  5 was nominated. This surprised me as incense is extremely important across cultures, and in multiple religions. I suspect this is Western bias, specifically American bias, because we don't tend to use incense quite as much as other cultures. I have gone through and found a few key pages related to incense that have not been included, and think they should be added.

Add Agarwood

A fragrant, dark and resinous wood used in incense, perfume, and small hand carvings.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Censer

From the lede "A censer, incense burner, perfume burner or pastille burner is a vessel made for burning incense or perfume in some solid form."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
2. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Frankincense

An aromatic resin used in incense and perfumes. Frankincense has been traded on the Somali and Arabian Peninsula for more than 5,000 years. Notable in Christianity as one of the gifts given to Jesus by Biblical Magi  5

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
2. _pbp 21:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Kōdō

From the lede, "the art of appreciating Japanese incense, and involves using incense within a structure of codified conduct."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Myrrh

From the lede "a gum-resin extracted from a few small, thorny tree species of the Commiphora genus, belonging to the Burseraceae family. Myrrh resin has been used throughout history in medicine, perfumery, and incenses." Notable in Christianity as one of the gifts given to Jesus by Biblical Magi  5

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
2. _pbp 00:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
3. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
4. support  Carlwev  19:11, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Sandalwood

From the lede "unlike many other aromatic woods, they retain their fragrance for decades. Sandalwood oil is extracted from the woods. Sandalwood is often cited as one of the most expensive woods in the world. Both the wood and the oil produce a distinctive fragrance that has been highly valued for centuries. Consequently, some species of these slow-growing trees have suffered over-harvesting in the past."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
2. _pbp 10:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
3. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:33, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discuss

Add Sandalwood oil

An essential oil obtained from the steam distillation of chips and billets cut from the heartwood of various species of sandalwood trees

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Sandalwood above is probably enough.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

1. Note that we don't list Essential Oil ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Add Räucherkerze

From the lede "an incense cone burned at Christmas time in Germany and in the Czech Republic in order to create pleasant scents around the house." Important example of European incense tradition.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

Add Thurible

From the lede "a metal incense burner suspended from chains, in which incense is burned during worship services. It is used in Christian churches, including those of the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox, Lutheran and Old Catholic denominations, as well as in some Continental Reformed, Presbyterian, Methodist and Anglican churches (with its use almost universal amongst Anglican churches of Anglo Catholic churchmanship)."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Remove Culture of North America

Entry criticized in a related discussion above by @LaukkuTheGreit and Iostn:. I concur this is a low vitality concept - NA as a continent doesn't really have much of a common culture. What there is, is much more niche than European or Asian or African, or, heck, pretty much any other region. Which is whyu this article is just a list of related topics, rather than a proper prose article like other contintental culture ones. I assume it was added as part of a batch add of similar topics, but now it's time for it to go (you can also consider this as part of the proposed swap above, for the culture of the USA). We should probably V5 Culture of Mexico too (no, sorry, I don't think Canada has made much of a cultural impact on the world). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 14:39, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. whats the use of this amalgam.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:31, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

   @TonyTheTiger You said "what's the use of this amalgam" but you opposed removing it. Did you mean to support removing it? 204.195.97.109 (talk) 02:47, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

Add Pornographic film actor

Thinking about some vital professions and popular topics, both on Wikipedia and in general... yeah. 53 interwikis. Pornography  4 is V4. Actor  4 is V5, however (perhaps should be V4?). Worth discussing. Film director  5 and Film producer  5 probably should be V5-ed as well. Those are specific types of film-related occupations many folks recognize. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Porn is a fairly significant subject in culture and porn actors are widely discussed. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Asian art

See above. I just restored that article from a redirect from a poorly discussed bold merge years ago. It is obviously V5, likely V4 like African art  4 or European art discussed above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

• This certainly could be vital, but in my opinion it depends how the information is presented. There's no requirement to have an article that covers art for the entirety of Asia. I won't support this unless a somewhat comprehensive article develops on the subject, which hasn't happened yet. I wouldn't want that decision to be made here. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

  @EchoVanguardZ We list stub articles at Vital level. The article quality is not much of an issue; and the topic is obviously notable ([2]). One day it will be a great article, when - it is not our concern (not here, at vitals). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:01, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

  I don't mind listing stubs at vital, I'm specifically declining to support this one while it's a stub. We could easily add things like Art of the Americas (even though that article doesn't exist) instead of what's currently listed, or replace Asian art with Art of East Asia, Art of South Asia, and Art of West Asia. I'm not convinced that art from across Asia has enough connections to make it inherently worthy of VA status. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:29, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

  @EchoVanguardZ How would you feel about a swap with History of Asian art  5? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:24, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

  Asian art could replace History of Asian art at some point, but right now I do not see a reason to replace an extensive article with a stub about a similar topic. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 03:03, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

  That article (history of...) is a mess, as it contains a lot of content that belongs in the main 'Asian art' article (as they are not about history). It became de facto dumping ground for 'asian art' content due to redirect pointing there. I think we should not list a badly conceptualized article, but the correct one, and just wait for the content to migrate. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Add Culture of major countries

Following above discussions at #Culture of Mexico and #Culture of the United States, I looked at what we actually list at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Culture_by_region and... it's just Culture of Japan  5 and Culture of Australia  5 (which possibly doubles as a regional entry). Sigh. Yes, really. No other countries, jus some regions (contients+Polynesian culture) and few odd concepts (err, The sea in culture, really? I don't think so... expect removal proposal soon). PS. Just in case someone wonders: we list Culture of Buddhism and Islamic culture here, while Christian culture  5 is lised under "Philosophy and religion". I think Buddhism and Islamic should be moved from 'by region' to where the Christian one is listed. Anyway, to country adds. I looked at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/3#Countries and subjectively choose these countries which IMHO had some major influence on world's culture, past or present, comparable to US or Mexico we seem to support above, and Japan, present here (sorry, Canada, etc.). Plus Greece which did not make it to V3?? Numerically, there's some sys bias here, but region- and population wise, China, India, Brazil and Russia do cover a lot of the world; Africa and Middle East get some concept coverage, so... shrug. Discuss/suggest fixes. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Add Culture of India  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
3. We always underrepresent India. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
4. We thought to list "Culture of Japan", "Japanese popular culture", and "Kawaii" before a second Asian country? ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I would rather support Culture of South Asia. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

   @EchoVanguardZ Propose it and I'd support it. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:25, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

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Add Chinese culture  5

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Per above. (Culture of China redirects there). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Definitely. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
5. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Culture of Korea  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Yes. We're including things under it anyway. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. K-pop alone is enough for this to be worth listing. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
5. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Culture of France  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Yes. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:32, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Culture of Germany  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Culture of Italy  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Culture of the Netherlands

Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
3. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

Add Culture of Poland  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Culture of Russia  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Definitely. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
5. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Culture of Greece  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Because of how old it is, and the influence on Western civilization. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Culture of Spain  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Culture of the United Kingdom  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Huge influence on the world through its colonial empire. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
5. ALittleClass (talk) 10:25, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

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Add Culture of Brazil  5

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Per above. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 10:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

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Add Arab culture  5

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Re-reading my rationale, I thin this one should be here as well. Middle East culture, [[]], [[]] are just redirects there I have created right now... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Very large cultural group. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:37, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
5. ALittleClass (talk) 10:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

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Add Licentiate (degree)

A type of degree present in many countries. 30 interwikis. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Remove Islamic Azad University

IMHO Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Educational_institutions is way too bloated, with ~200 entries - I'd cut it to 100. Many entries there are strictly national. This one has 22 interwikis and no claim of significance or influence in the lead. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 23:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

I haven't made up my mind yet, but is one of the largest comprehensive university systems in the world not a claim of significance? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR It sounds nice but what does it mean? What is a "comprehensive systems of universities"? comprehensive system, comprehensive university system - all red links. There is the concept of a university system, but is that it? The claim is unreferenced. In the body there's a semi-referenced (no ref for that sentence, some refs a few sentences later that I did not check) claim that it "is the world's fifth-largest university", which seems to be confirmed by List of largest universities and university networks by enrollment. But #2, #3 and #4 from that list are not at V5, so either we add National University, Bangladesh, Anadolu University and California Community Colleges, or this is not a strong claim for vitality. And while a teriary education system that has million+ students sounds impressive, is it vital? I'd rather consider stuff like Higher education in the United States or (for this very case) Higher education in Iran (not a VA) rather than what is, effectively, a company. In fact, I may suggest a bit later to nuke a few or few dozen of unversities, and replace them with the "higher education in Fooland" articles. Or even Education in the United States. Come to think of it, IMHO we should be prioritizing such overview articles rather than the ones about individual schools (businesses); most of which are not very famous and are only know to locals and experts. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Remove Fudan University

Chinese university. The only thing that makes it slightly vital is that it is a member of the C9 League, but I don't think that's enough, not yet - maybe once C9 League is as known as the Ivy League. For now, it is just a regional university that is unknown outside China. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Weak support. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:44, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

Based on age, enrollment and interwikis, this may be more notable than others up for removal _pbp 15:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Add education of Fooland articles

Recently we discovered a gap in the form of Culture of Fooland articles, and above we are adding a number. Another one seems to be related to the field of education. (And I have a feeling it's just a tip of the iceberg). Anyway, I think we have too many higher education institutions listed (Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Educational_institutions is way too bloated, with ~200 entries). I think we should try to cut it to let's say a 100, and use the freed up 100 spots to add a dozen or two, or even three, overviews of education by country and region, just like above we are adding the culture overviews. I mean, if we add culture of the United States, for example, why not education in the United States or higher education in the United States? IMHO such overviews are much more vital than entries on individual institutions (some of which are just companies), and many of which have little impact or recognizability outside its small region (sometimes, province, not even a country) and educators/scholars (heck, I am an educator and researcher, and I don't recognize most of the universities we list). For now, my adds are similar to the culture adds, which is also similar to the list of countries listed at V3, but with a second take on which countries have multiple tertiary institutions listed at V5. I will make comments in various sections above for the adds. Feel free to propose others. Removals (which can be considered swap should follow soon, feel free to help gut the listed units from 200 to 100 or less :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Add Education in the United States

Currently, US has 40 universities listed at V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Articles of this type help a lot at representing lower level education, which is critical even if the specific institutions are less prestigious. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Higher education in the United States

A rider-on to the above. After we add these, let's try to cut a dozen if not ~20 of the individual entries about US unis, mhm? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. I think this category of articles is only necessary for the biggest countries, it's overkill to have 2 education articles for each country. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Mexico

Mexico has just a single university listed (National Autonomous University of Mexico  4), although at V4. As such, I don't think we need to add Higher education in Mexico (which doesn't even exist; it's just a redirect), but it is an important country and overview of education in it is likely V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

   @Lophotrochozoa But it is happening, above (ex. #Remove_Hong_Kong_University_of_Science_and_Technology). How about you propose a swap instead of an addition here? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

   Four proposed removals, of which only two are uncontroversial, is not enough. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 09:36, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in South Korea

B/c Korea's split into South and North, we don't currently have an article on Education in Korea (it's just a disambig). Education in North Korea is not a vital topic. Higher education in South Korea should exist, but it's just a redirect. Right now, South Korea has 5 unis listed at V5. I think we should cut at least one if not 2+. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in India

India also has 5 universities at V5, and likewise, after adding this, I think we can do with 2-3. In either case, it's a major country and we should have this overview here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Higher education in India

Since we have a dedicated article on h.e. in India, I think we should consider this, but I'd strongly tie this to some cuts. But I'd discuss cuts separately, not as swaps, that compliates stuff too much. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in China

China currently has 12 units listed here. Yadda yadda after adding this and h.e. article, let's cut some? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Since we're going to remove at least two Chinese universities, this can be considered a swap. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:24, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

1. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Higher education in China

China is important enough to merit a h.e. entry here too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Japan

We list 12 Japanese unis. Let's cut a few later. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Higher education in Japan

Just like with China. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in France

We list 9 French unis. Let's cut some later? Oh, Higher education in France is just a redirect, so not proposing it. Would, if it existed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Italy

We list 5 Italian unis. Add two overviews, cut 2+ unis later. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Higher education in Italy

We list 5 Italian unis. Add two overviews, cut 2+ unis later. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Russia

We list 3 Russian unis. Add two overviews, cut 2+ unis later. Higher education in Russia is just a redirect, so not proposing it. With just 3 unis, it probably is a borderline case, despite Russia's historical importance (but it was never an education leader... I digress). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Poland

We list just one Polish uni, so I am not suggesting adding higher education in Poland. Maybe? I am a Pole, so maybe I am biased. Education in many V3 countries is worth discussing at V3. Vote away. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Brazil

We list two Brazilian unis. It's a big and important country, and we should have this overview here. Higher education in Brazil is probably not needed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in the United Kingdom

We list 25. Cuts needed later. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

1. Education is a devolved power meaning that it is quite different in each country of the UK. For example, see the table in Education in Scotland#Provision of education in Scotland which shows the different terms used. Sahaib (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Add Universities in the United Kingdom

Important, certainly. Weirdly, Higher education in the United Kingdom redirects there. I've proposed a WP:RM - check what it is named one this is closed :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Canada

Comment: I did not propose culture of Canada per reasons I explained before, but Canada does have 7 universities listed (again, I think we should cut it by half, particularly once this is added). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Higher education in Canada

Likely still important at this level, unlike culture. At least that's my feeling based on the number of important Canadian unis we list (and that I hear about, or see citations to their researchers). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Spain

7 unis listed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Higher education in Spain

Can add, particularly since we can cut 2+ unis. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Germany

24 unis listed. But higher education in Germany is just a redirect there, so, just his. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Iran

3 universities listed currently at V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Israel

2 unis listed at V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Singapore

2 unis listed at V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Austria

2 unis listsed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Belgium

3 unis listed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in the Netherlands

6 universities listed (which is way too many, by the way, considering comparable countries...). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Sweden

3 unis listed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Switzerland

3 unis listed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Education in Australia

9 unis listed at V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Add Tertiary education in Australia

Might as well. Higher education in Australia redirects there. Likely should be renamed to higher, will start RM. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. The purge of universities that Piotrus talked about isn't happening yet, and without such a purge, all these nominations, along with my proposal to move websites from Technology to Culture, will take the Culture subpage far over quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't see the need.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

Some important education articles

With the focus on adding education topics, I decided to look at the area a bit and found it missing some vital topics. Including a few of them.

Add Professor  5

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:35, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:42, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
6. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
7. Wow. Sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
8. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:46, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add Academic minor

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Would not support outside level 5, but I think it is at least vital enough for level 5. I have made some nominations on level 4 related to this.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Academic major should also be added. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

   ...I came across Academic minor when I nominated the degree types on level 4. I didn't even think to check Academic major, and would have assumed it was already included. Strong support we should add that. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:29, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

3. Per QuicoleJR. Only support if academic major gets added as well. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Only 4 interwikis. I don't see how this translates to other education systems around the world and other languages. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Weak oppose. I don't see evidence that this is common outside the USA. The Dutch and Finnish articles seem to talk about slightly different things. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:37, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

   We have multiple individual U.S. universities, I thought a concept common to much of the U.S. education system at the University level would be as valuable an inclusion as any particular school. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:32, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Weak support. I think minor and major are more vital than emeritus below, but suprisingly, have less interwikis. As I've written elsewhere, I think we should add class, course and classroom befere such concepts. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

   @Piotrus: Do you want your vote to count as neutral (that is not counted) or as support? Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

   Neutral, please :) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:32, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

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Add Emeritus

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Not exclusive to academia but never heard it used outside of it.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Seems important enough. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. This doesn't translate well to other education systems around the world. The English Wikipedia article looks like a patchwork of random things from random places and cultures. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Not a VA5 concept. J947 ‡ ^edits 06:31, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

1. 46 interwikis. But the article is a mess. Maybe. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

   The article being a mess isn't really a case for excluding it. Vital articles are, in part, articles that we want to focus attention on cleaning up. If it's vital but a mess, it should be included to bring attention to it. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:31, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

   I am concerned the article is OR outside the concept of 'professor emeritus', and frankly, I don't consider that concept vital. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

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Add Lecture  5

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
5. About as vital as Class (education), Course (education) and Lesson  4. Or Classroom. I suggest adding the ones that are not here to the section to discuss too (ping nom) User:GeogSage. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

   I'd support those if you want to open a new nomination, or put them in this one. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 05:25, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Neutral

Discuss

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Add Seminar  5

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

1. I am not opposed, but I'd rather see Class (education), Course (education) and Classroom added first. Seminars are not as common as the lecture proposed above, IMHO. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Discuss

I doubt it is one of 50,000 most important things on Earth. I'm sure there are many people who never heard of this. And the others have happily forgotten.
This whole bunch of proposals looks like something coming from a student. :-) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I mean, I spent a long time as a student, but am currently on the other side of the podium. That said, "important" is relative, and I don't find a lot of things we include important at all. We have a huge bias towards entertainment and pop culture comparatively that I would start with if you don't think seminars are vital. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 02:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

What I want to say is that this thing doesn't "translate" well to other languages. (Yes, in Russian it's "seminar" – sounds fancy. But those "Russian seminars" can just be called "practice" or something. The Russian seminars are "a part of a course of study", which the English article says they are not.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:24, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

And this article says: "In some European universities, a seminar may be a large lecture course". So, basically, it admits that the term "seminar" stands for different things in different languages and different colleges/universities.
There's a good chance that all these 43 articles in different languages talk about different things that just happen to be called the same. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Well, this is the English language Wikipedia, so the English use would be the main thing we care about. Obviously other language Wikipedia projects will have different words for concepts. I'm not sure if Russia or any other country has equivalent format of class, but we list several U.S. Universities and I'd think this concept is more important then the singular schools. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:46, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Well, "those people" in the Russian Wikipedia are under impression that what we are creating here is some kind of a list of articles every Wikipedia should have.
(They haven't started with the 50,000 list yet. Lucky for them. But at 10,000 they actually had to deal with something that didn't translate to Russian well or even at all.)
I mean, we should list universal concepts here. Which "seminars" may be and may be not, I'm not sure. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Really? That is an interesting perspective, but that is not one of the stated goals of this project. If you look at the main page Wikipedia:Vital articles, it states "The five nested vital article levels are meant to give direction to the prioritization of improvements of English Wikipedia articles (e.g. which articles to bring to WP:GA and WP:FA status), to provide a measurement of quality of overall English Wikipedia (e.g. what proportion of the most important articles are at GA and FA status), and to serve as a centralized watchlist of English Wikipedia's most important articles. Unlike the list of articles every Wikipedia should have, they are tailored to the English Wikipedia and are actively maintained by the dedicated WikiProject Vital Articles." There is a separate project for what you're describing. I think it would be appropriate for other language projects to have their own separate vital articles. It just isn't really possible to work around not only concepts, but translations of those concepts, across ALL languages. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:00, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Now I see I was mistaken. The Russian 10,000 project (ru:Проект:Мириада) links the Wikimedia list and not the Enwiki Level 4 list. But wasn't the Wikimedia list taken from here originally? It does look similar.
And I thought that there would eventually be a 50,000-articles list, and it would be created by taking this Enwiki one. --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry didn't see this question. I don't know the answer. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:43, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Now when I'm thinking of it, in Russia seminars are like usual lessons at secondary school. You have a teacher who gives you something to do. You need to do "exercises" or give answers to questions on paper or verbally. And the teacher evaluates your work. And, unlike during a lecture, you can interact with him. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

A "lecture" is a "lecture" in every language. It's a universal concept. (It even says "lecture" in its name. /j) I highly doubt that there are countries where lectures are seminars or labs or PE or whatever. But a "seminar"... --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

"Well, this is the English language Wikipedia, so the English use would be the main thing we care about."
– If the "Seminar" article is about the English use, that it should be renamed to something like "Seminars in the United States and the Commonwealth of Nations". --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:58, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Oops, this "Seminar" article actually says that "in some European universities" a seminar is a lecture. I forgot. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

Vital list is on English Wikipedia but it should not be affected by WP:SYSBIAS. A topic that's important only for US, for example, is not very vital (it may be - but no more or less than a topic important only for another large country - like Russia). Of course, given importance of US in geopolitics and culture, many American topics will be more vital than Russian. But let's keep SYSBIAS in mind and remember that the vital list should not be biased. It's international, not English. Just like Wikipedia itself. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:26, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia article is undeveloped and repeats "the term 'seminar'", "the term 'seminar'" instead of just saying "seminar", as if not being sure whether the word and the concept it represents are universal. Moscow Connection (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

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Add Thesis  5

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:42, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
5. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
6. Doh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:18, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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Add Class (education)

Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Sure. The concept of a class is important. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

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1. Weak oppose. Just lists a bunch of different meanings with no focus. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:57, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Per EchoVanguardZ. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Classroom

Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Aye. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 01:20, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

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Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:56, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

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Add Fatalism

Idk much about philosophy but this has lots of interwikis and seems basic and important enough

Support

1. Per nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:40, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
2. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:35, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:07, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

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Comment: ping User:Nihil novi. Any philosophical concepts you think should be added that are not? See Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Philosophy_and_religion, which lists, among others, Perfection  5 --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:35, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

A Wikipedia article describes the concept of "Fatalism" -- in its various mutations -- as "a belief and philosophical doctrine", so it seems a legitimate addition.

At "Philosophy Level 5 Vital Articles", I find "Perfection" listed under "Aesthetics" -- whereas in the Wikipedia "Perfection" article (based on philosopher Wladyslaw Tatarkiewicz's 1976 book On Perfection) the concept of "Perfection" subsumes "Aesthetics" as well as "Ethics", "Ontology", "Theology", and several other disciplines.

Tatarkiewicz's 383-page book A History of Six Ideas: an Essay in Aesthetics (1980), like "Philosophy Level 5 Vital Articles", includes "Beauty" and "Mimesis", but additionally "Art", "Form", "Creativity", and "The Aesthetic Experience".

Not being a trained philosopher, I'm not sure how one might put all these jigsaw-puzzle pieces together into a coherent picture. Nihil novi (talk) 07:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Add Facepalm

Aka what we do here every time we see a nom like the one above :P 31 iwikis, 128 daily pageviews on en. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
2. I think these are common enough to add despite what people are saying. Of note, I'd also support EVERY article mentioned below. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 22:31, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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1. J947 ‡ ^edits 06:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Not an imperative addition.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:07, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

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• I'm not sure this is particularly important. I would say that Waving, Nod (gesture), Head shake, and Shrug are probably equally important, and Bowing  5 and Salute  5 are more important. I see Smile  5, Frown  5, Wink  5, Handshake  5 and Applause  5 are on the list however. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:26, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

  It could be proposed to add all these, although I would probably be neutral. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:27, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

  @EchoVanguardZ Do add them, they are worth discussing _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:51, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

• Would support The finger before this. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 20:28, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

  I kinda support this one also lol 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 02:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

• Gonna ask the question everybody hates: What would an FA article on facepalming be ABOUT? _pbp 03:52, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

  It would be about what reliable sources say on the topic... :P _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

  Well The finger is a good article. It is important to remember that American Sign Language  5 exists as well, so gesture and hand sign articles are important. I'm not sure if "facepalm" is formal ASL, but I know it crosses at least a few cultures and I've seen at least one deaf person use it in conversation... so... GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 16:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

• I would support the V sign (or general Peace symbols) or The finger (per User:GeogSage) as well as most of User:EchoVanguardZ list of omissions (Waving, Nod (gesture), Head shake, Shrug, Bowing  5 and Salute  5) well before this.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:10, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Add Petrobras

One of the largest companies in the world.

Support

1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

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Add Pemex

One of the most important things in Mexican politics, since Mexico's economy has been historically dependent oil.

Support

1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Certainly Iostn (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Swap Pravachanasara with Kundakunda

I can't say I know much of anything about Jainism, but this Jain monk seems more vital than one of his works. Kundakunda, the monk has 35 daily views and 10 languages, compared to 5 daily views and 4 languages for Pravachanasara  5, the text. The text doesn't have many views in other languages either, and in Hindi it's a 3-sentence stub.

Support

1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 03:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Personhood

In a previous discussion we decided to add Person  5 but didn't get enough votes to additionally add Personhood. Thus I'm relisting the latter. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (the original nominator) apparently wanted to add both.

Oppose

1. Seems too redundant with Person. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 11:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
2. per above.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Niten Ichi-ryū

Niten Ichi-ryū is the Japanese Ko-ryū (ancient school) that transmits the sword style created by Miyamoto Musashi  4. The style is heavily influenced by his book The Book of Five Rings  5. Historically, this is a fairly big deal in Japan, and has influence on some of their modern pop culture media.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 17:21, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 19:11, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:27, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Japamala

Japamala are "a loop of prayer beads commonly used in Indian religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism." We include Rosary  5, I think we should include these.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

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Court cases

Is the court cases section Anglocentric? Out of the dozen or so we list, the decisions are only from the United States and the UK. That might be because both countries use common law, but I'd assume other countries have important legal decisions in their histories. -1ctinus📝🗨 12:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

I would support adding some major cases from a few other countries, especially India. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:45, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Move

I move this discussion from the 'History and geography' talk page because the articles mentioned are under a Society list, not from History nor Geography. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 15:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Add Arash

Classic hereoic figure of figure of Iranian mythology. 21 interwikis. Would be good to have more non-Western mythology heroes to counter systemic bias. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:37, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:37, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

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1. This seems more suited for the society page. --209.133.7.1 (talk) 23:41, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Moved from the people discussion. --Bluevestman (talk) 02:20, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Add Traditionalist Catholicism and Sedevacantism

Significant Catholic movements born out of the Second Vatican Council  5

Support

1. Nom Iostn (talk) 14:13, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
2. They both seem important enough to list. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Old Catholic Church

Has more interwikis than the other two. Its schism was Vatican 1 rather than Vatican 2

Support

1. _pbp 01:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Seems pretty important, although we also need to add First Vatican Council. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:19, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

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1. FYI based on statistics mentioned in the article Old Catholic churches have 115k followers between them, whereas there are an estimted 1 million TradCaths, interwikis can be explained by Old Catholic being a more unified self-defined group of churches rather than an umbrella term Iostn (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Add F. W. Woolworth Company

It has long been closed, but back then, it was a pioneer of the five-and-dime business and was among the most successful retail companies back in the 20th century, having sold products internationally from store chains.

Support

1. As nom. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

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Phobia Proposals

Given that Phobia  4 is Level 4, I think we can afford to add specific examples at Level 5 (Well, technically homophobia and transphobia are listed, but these are forms of social bigotry/discrimination and not phobias in the medical sense. We do list Social anxiety disorder which used to be known as "social phobia", but that term is outdated and now it's usually not considered a phobia in the common sense). These two proposals are the ones that are the most commonly known by name and among the most common.

Add Claustrophobia

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Probably the most well known by name (most phobias are often just referred to as "fear of heights", "fear of death", etc.). Probably affects hundreds of millions of people globally, 57 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
3. We missed this?--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:39, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
5. Surprised other phobias aren't listed, definite support. AllyWithInfo (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Arachnophobia

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Believed to affect 3.5 to 6.1 of the population according to the article. A very common and culturally relevant phobia, 51 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:39, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
5. AllyWithInfo (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

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(not OP) Add Acrophobia

The fear of heights. One of the most common phobias, 57 interwikis.

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Support

1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 01:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Very important. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. AllyWithInfo (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

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(not OP) Add Fear of flying

Also known as aerophobia. Also one of the most common phobias, 37 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
2. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

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(not OP) Add Agoraphobia

The fear of unsafe situations. Another common phobia, 67 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 01:05, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:01, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

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(not OP) Add Death anxiety

I wasn't gonna propose this, but as ALittleClass mentioned it in the claustrophobia proposal, I'm just gonna throw it out there. Also known as thanatophobia, 24 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

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Why aren't ethnicities listed?

For example, French people, Germans, Persians, Tamils, Igbo people are all not vital. Yet Baloch people are V5, and Kurds are V4. What is going on? Why aren't these listed? If there is no reason, I will create a batch nomination. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:22, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

This is a Pandora's Box, Ethnicities are so diverse and ambiguous it is impossible to fully capture ALL ethnicities. Check Category:Ethnic groups to see how much it will explode the list. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

It's a balancing act, IMO. In many cases, it makes much more sense to list an ethnicity than a region. In the African region articles you can see a lot of bare-boned proposed articles, whereas the appropriate ethnicity articles have much more information and indeed appear to cover a much more cohesive topic. J947 ‡ ^edits 06:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

List of contemporary ethnic groups is pretty extensive. If we add one, I'd say we need to add all of them, with some minor exceptions. Failing an all or nothing approach to ethnicities would open the door for accusations of encouraging literal supremacy (How can we say one ethnic group is vital, but not another?). GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 23:45, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I find the selection of ethnic groups listed here pretty odd as well. Bluevestman (talk) 21:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Good call, @1ctinus:. Feel free to propose adds and removals. We should try to list the important ones. The examples above suggest we are not doing it well.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:29, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Sutra proposals

Add Sutra

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Many individual sutras are listed (8, Lotus Sutra  5, Kama Sutra  5, Kama Sutra  5, Yulanpen Sutra  5, Kama Sutra  5, Tattvartha Sutra  5, and the Level 4 Diamond Sutra  4, there may be more without "Sutra" in the article title) so it makes sense to have the general article describing the form. 54 interwikis and listed under 7 wikiprojects.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
3. While some of sutras are categorised in Philosophy and religion which is overquota, the overall concept probably fits in Arts.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:50, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Heart Sutra

Red Pine, one of the most popular translators of Buddhist and Taoist texts, claims "It has had the most profound and wide–reaching influence of any text in Buddhism." Article has 41 interwikis and lists ample cultural references to the sutra.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 07:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add several military concepts

Military concepts are an important part of our society, for better or worse. We include 113 under the section "War and military," which for something as important as war and military seems like a dramatic under representation. These are all fairly basic concepts, and if you don't know what they are just check the article. These have had impacts on popular culture, the civilian lexicon, and influenced history pretty profoundly.

Add Defeat in detail

Also known as "divide and conquer"

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

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1. I initially thought this was about the general concept, but this article is about a military tactic, one which I believe to be too specific. ALittleClass (talk) 04:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Counterattack  5

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"a tactic employed in response to an attack"

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. _pbp 00:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Flanking maneuver  5

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"a movement of an armed force around an enemy force's side, or flank, to achieve an advantageous position over it."

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Massive oversight excluding this. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Force concentration

"the practice of concentrating a military force so as to bring to bear such overwhelming force against a portion of an enemy force that the disparity between the two forces alone acts as a force multiplier in favour of the concentrated forces."

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. Too specific. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Envelopment  5

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Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Strategic depth

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. Too specific. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add False flag  5

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While this is often the focus of a conspiracy theorists fantasy, they do happen.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. _pbp 00:23, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
6. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Blitzkrieg  5

Not going to bop around this one, I thought I was losing my mind when I saw this wasn't included. If this isn't something that we want to include, I don't know.

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Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. How is this not already listed. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. support  Carlwev  18:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
4. _pbp 21:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
5. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
6. ALittleClass (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
7. AllyWithInfo (talk) 20:29, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
8. I think this is an easy choice. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
9. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Center of gravity (military)

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Maneuver warfare

Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter. - Winston Churchill (Allegedly)

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Shoot-and-scoot

Ukraine is using this quite a bit in the current conflict.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Human wave attack

Russia is famous for using these during the World Wars.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. ALittleClass (talk) 02:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Shock and awe  5

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Bush might not have done 9/11, but in Iraq the military used Shock and Awe.

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Another drastic oversight. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
3. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
4. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Potemkin village

Not necessarily purely military but thought I'd throw it in.

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1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
2. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
3. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. Not sure how often these are used. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Admittedly might be a bit more of a literary concept then real life but for example: Kijong-dong in North Korea. You can see it used in discussion periodically, often changed to "Potemkin Military" or "Potemkin Army", for example, Conclusion: A Potemkin Army Russia's Potemkin Army. Essentially, making it look like you have a big functional army when it is really a shell for display purposes only. Put it last because conceptually wasn't sure it belonged. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:22, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 18:01, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Philosophy additions

Add Self-reference

A very important, broad, yet well defined topic. Includes Fourth wall and Self-referential humor to name two examples in entertainment, but it also has much broader implications in philosophy and logic.

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Recursion

Once again, a very important, broad, multidisciplinary, yet well defined topic. Similar to self-reference, although this

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

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Note: Recursion (computer science)  5 is already listed. Still, recursion is important in other fields. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 06:04, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Add Emergence

The same thing I said about the previous two hold here. Related to Emergentism, Spontaneous order, Self-organization, Mass action (sociology), Superorganism and Emergent materialism, to name a few.

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:00, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Tabla

From the article: "It is frequently played in popular and folk music performances in India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka." The most important percussion instrument to Indian classical music  4, and an essential instrument in Eastern music generally. 57 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 04:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:11, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

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Add Altered state of consciousness

An important topic of Consciousness  3 and general concept in psychology. Covers Mysticism  4, Hypnosis  4, Recreational drug use  4, Psychedelic drug  5, Psychosis  4, and in some cases Meditation  3.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 21:13, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
2. Reasonable. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 10:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add the remaining 3 Vedas

Specifically, add the Yajurveda, Samaveda and Atharvaveda.

We have 5 religious texts at VA3, and one of them is the Vedas  3, which are the fundamental texts of Hinduism and maybe the oldest scripture practiced today. In the case of the Bible  3, we list all 59 bible books (well, bundling together the Twelve Minor Prophets) at VA5. Well, it turns out there are only 4 Vedas, and yet we currently only list 1 at VA5. The articles themselves describe the Vedas as having a large influence in the Indian subcontinent, such as in Indian classical music  4 and the Ayurveda  4 traditional medical system. I struggle to see how excluding these would not be systemic bias, given that we give 10 times as many slots to the central Christian text. They each have around 60 interwikis.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 21:06, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Yes, this makes sense. Aspets (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

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Mandeism Prunes

Mandaeism  5 is a VA5 religion currently has 8 subsection articles. I don't dispute it's vitality, but there's currently estimated to be around 60,000 and 70,000 members, so I do think it's been a bit overcovered, especially when comparing it to Haitian Vodou  4, which is VA4 but currently has no subsection.

Remove Right Ginza and Left Ginza

The two parts of the Ginza Rabba  5, the most important scripture of the religion. Both articles have ZERO interwikis, and given the small size of the religion I don't think we need to split the religious scripture.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Drabsha

The symbol of the religion (looks like a banner). 1 interwiki.

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Mandi (Mandaeism)

A type of building that can serve as a Mandaean place of worship. 1 interwiki.

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Lwa

The central spirits of Haitian Vodou  4, they serve as intermediaries between humanity and Bondye, a god figure. There are over a thousand lwa, and one of the main ceremonies of the religion involves a person asking for a Lwa to possess them.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 00:46, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom Iostn (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
3. We list one lwa, Baron Samedi  5, but not the concept itself Makkool (talk) 18:32, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Bookselling

We list Library, but not bookstores. This is an obvious add.

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1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. Bookstore redirects there for now. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:37, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Per Piotrus. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Spanish dollar and Dutch guilder

Both are no longer used, but were staples of Early modern history and were pioneering currencies of modern Globalization  3. The Spanish dollar was the world's first trading/reserve currency, and many modern currencies such as the U.S. dollar, Japanese yen and Chinese yuan are based (in some form or another) on the Spanish dollar. The Dutch guilder served as the world's reserve currency for over 100 years and complimented the unprecedented domination of the Dutch East India Company  4. Alongside the Pound sterling  4, these are ranked amongst the most prominent historical currencies. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom. Idiosincrático (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Deaf culture

Under Subcultures. The meaning of the capital D in "d/Deaf". Currently, nothing in this section pertains to anything that might be thought of as a "disability". This would be the most important such one because of how isolated it can be from the mainstream, even down to having separate schools and languages.

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1. 3df (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Hermeticism

"a philosophical and religious tradition rooted in the teachings attributed to Hermes Trismegistus, a syncretic figure combining elements of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth." Easily one of the most important movements of western esotericism and still influential outside of it. We already list many people that are affiliated; Giordano Bruno  4 was a Hermetic, Marsilio Ficino  5 translated the Hermetica into Latin, and Paracelsus  4 was strongly influenced by it. (In terms of the usual metrics, 53 interwikis and ~1500 daily pageviews)

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Iostn (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Dead Internet theory

This is an interesting topic that has emerged recently. Per the lede "The dead Internet theory is a conspiracy theory that asserts, due to a coordinated and intentional effort, the Internet now consists mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content manipulated by algorithmic curation to control the population and minimize organic human activity." The article gets a bit of vandalism, so the vital articles function of a collective watchlist could be helpful. For those who care, 25 language links and 5,002 average pageviews over the past 20 days. Full disclosure I have been fairly active in writing and maintaining this page.

Support

1. As nom. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. I feel it's too early to add this one. One of the main points you see brought up to support this theory is the rise of AI content on social media, which is a fairly recent phenomenon (granted, we already list the AI boom  5, but that's a way broader topic compared to this). And besides, most people treat this more like a meme than a genuine conspiracy theory, and I don't think any meme is vital enough to be added (maybe Doge (meme), but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one). SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 23:57, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Too early. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:23, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Refers more to a meme rather than the AI phenomenon Iostn (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

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GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Add Kibbutz

Culturally/historically important form of settlement in Israel

Support

1. As nom Iostn (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
2. After learning more about the topic and how important it truely is, I support. JustTryingToBeSmart (talk) 20:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Iostn (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Remove New York Times Co. v. Sullivan  5

We already list 10 SCOTUS decisions, and this and Griswold stand out as the weakest, it puts an extra burden for defamation of a public figure while still allowing it, that's it, most of the other decisions we list completely changed American society, we also already have Citizens United v. FEC  5 for a First Amendment decision, and if we wanted to add a second I think there are better choices.

Support

1. As nominator. Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Somnewhat important for US, but not for the world. Just 6 interwikis. Weak support of removal. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:19, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add some record labels

The only record companies we have are EMI and T-Series. We definitely need to have more than that.

Add Sony Music, Universal Music Group, and Warner Music Group

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Let's start with the obvious. These companies are considered the "Big Three", and according to our record label page, they combined own 70% of all recorded music. They also, with some exceptions, are the parent companies of my other nominees.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
3. All three should absolutely be listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 22:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add RCA Records

One of my two nominees that I legitimately think should be Level 4. Founded by Emile Berliner  4 (i.e. the guy who invented the Gramophone), it is one of the biggest record labels in the world, and has been since its founding. How big? Besides Berliner, I was able to link at least 72 other vital people to RCA and its previous incarnation the Victor Talking Machine Company, including Sergei Rachmaninoff  4, Arturo Toscanini  4, Arthur Rubinstein  4, Dolly Parton  4, Miriam Makeba  4, David Bowie  4, Elvis Presley  4, Enrico Caruso  4, Julie Andrews  4, John Philip Sousa  5, Glenn Miller  5, Perry Como  5, Tommy Dorsey  5, Tito Puente  5, Jimmy Rodgers, Sam Cooke  5, Jefferson Airplane  5, Hall & Oates  5, Harry Belafonte  5, Mario Lanza  5, Original Dixieland Jass Band  5, Carter Family  5, Carlos Gardel  5, The Strokes  5, and Vangelis  5. They are also responsible for introducing the 45rpm disc, which for a long time was the standard way to release a single. (Owned by Sony.)

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Columbia Records

The other nominee that I think should be Level 4. The entire Sony Music company is derived from the oldest continuous operating label in the world. With such a long history, almost all of it being a huge titan in the industry, I was able to link at least 71 vital people to this label, including Aaron Copland  4, Igor Stravinsky  4, Pablo Casals  4, Leonard Bernstein  4, Glenn Gould  4, Miles Davis  4, Duke Ellington  4, Bob Dylan  4, Janis Joplin  4, Johnny Cash  4, Doris Day  4, Mahalia Jackson  5, Dave Brubeck  5, Tony Bennett  5, Mariah Carey  5, Johnny Mathis  5, Dinah Shore  5, Leonard Cohen  5, Simon & Garfunkel  5, Beyoncé  5, Earth, Wind & Fire  5, Bessie Smith  5, The Clash  5, Bruce Springsteen  5, and Nas  5. They are also directly responsible for the album era when they released the 33rpm LP.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Decca Records

What Universal Music Group originated from. Well, ultimately originated; there is a very complicated history regarding this label that I don't have time to fully discuss. Short answer, for a period there were two Decca Records, the original British label and its American offshoot, that operated independently from each other. But since Universal Music Group (American Decca) bought out PolyGram (British Decca), there is now a single Decca Records again. I was able to link at least 52 vital people to the either the British or American companies (figures includes those signed to MCA Records, which is what the American Decca renamed itself to), including Benjamin Britten  4, Kirsten Flagstad  5, Luciano Pavarotti  4, Joan Sutherland  4, Bing Crosby  4, The Rolling Stones  4, Buddy Holly  4, Judy Garland  4, Georg Solti  5, Sister Rosetta Tharpe  5, The Andrews Sisters  5, Elton John  5, Vera Lynn  5, Patsy Cline  5, Pete Seeger  5 (from his band The Weavers), Mantovani  5, Bill Monroe  5, Tom Petty  5, Louis Jordan  5, Bill Haley  5, Burl Ives  5, Eric B. & Rakim  5, Jimmy Dorsey  5, Lynyrd Skynyrd  5, and Blink-182  5.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Warner Records

Admittedly, just Warner Music is probably enough, but I was able to link at least 29 people so I think it's worth nominating. These people include Prince (musician)  4, Bill Cosby  4, Laurie Anderson  5, James Taylor  5, Faith Hill  5, Peter, Paul and Mary  5, Chaka Khan  5, Van Morrison  5, Fleetwood Mac  5, Grateful Dead  5, The Everly Brothers  5, Linkin Park  5, R.E.M.  5, Red Hot Chili Peppers  5, Paul Simon  5, A-ha  5, Steve Martin  5, Alice Cooper  5, Van Halen  5, Adam Sandler  5, Idina Menzel  5, Bonnie Raitt  5, Ronnie James Dio  5, Petula Clark  5, and Ladysmith Black Mambazo  5.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. Warner Music is sufficient. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Atlantic Records

Founded by Ahmet Ertegun  5, since its purchase by Warner Music it has gone from a huge player in R&B music to the company's flagship labels. Besides Ertegun, I was able to link at least 25 other vital people (including those signed to Atco Records and Stax Records when Atlantic had a distribution deal with the latter). They are Ray Charles  4, Aretha Franklin  4, Led Zeppelin  4, George Carlin  4, Ornette Coleman  5, John Coltrane  5, Charles Mingus  5, Bobby Darin  5, Bruno Mars  5, Sean Paul  5, John Prine  5, Booker T. & the M.G.'s  5, Clyde McPhatter  5, Otis Redding  5, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young  5, Yes (band)  5, AC/DC  5, Pantera  5, Skrillex  5, Lil' Kim  5, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller  5, Paramore  5, Bette Midler  5, and The Blues Brothers (John Belushi  5 and Dan Aykroyd  5).

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Island Records

Originally founded as a way to distribute Caribbean music, its involvement in the late 60s British rock scene led to it being one of the biggest independent record labels in the world. I was able to link 20 vital people to Island, including Bob Marley  4, Burning Spear  5, Jimmy Cliff  5, Toots and the Maytals  5, Nick Drake  5, Fairport Convention  5, Cat Stevens  5, King Sunny Adé  5, Salif Keita  5, Angélique Kidjo  5, Tom Waits  5, Amy Winehouse  5, Grace Jones  5, King Crimson  5, U2  5, PJ Harvey  5, The Killers  5, Fall Out Boy  5, Brian Eno  4, and Trevor Horn  5 (through his previous band The Buggles). (Owned by Universal.)

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Deutsche Grammophon

Designated classical label. Nominated this because I was able to link at least 19 vital people to DGG (including its subsidiary Archiv Produktion), including Pierre Boulez  4, Karlheinz Stockhausen  4, Herbert von Karajan  4, Plácido Domingo  4, Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau  4, Oliver Knussen  5, Claudio Abbado  5, Karl Böhm  5, John Eliot Gardiner  5, Carlos Kleiber  5, Martha Argerich  5, Daniel Barenboim  5, Emil Gilels  5, Wilhelm Kempff  5, Lang Lang  5, Yundi  5, Krystian Zimerman  5, Anna Netrebko  5, and Hilary Hahn  5. Also, this was one of the labels that help form PolyGram, a huge record company in its own right until it got bought out.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. --Thi (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Epic Records

This is going to be the only nominee founded as a sub-label. I'll admit, the only reason I'm not combining the 19 vital people I was able to link to Epic with Columbia like I have for the other sub-labels is Michael Jackson  3. I want to include a label linked to a level 3 musician, and this was the best candidate. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven obviously predate recorded music, while I ultimately decided that the labels Louis Armstrong and The Beatles are associated with (Okeh and Parlophone/Apple) were not worthy enough to be discussed. Besides Michael, the other 18 are: Gloria Estefan  5, Delta Goodrem  5, Cyndi Lauper  5, Jennifer Lopez  5, George Michael  5, Shakira  5, George Jones  5, Tammy Wynette  5, Donovan  5, Ricardo Arjona  5, Sade (band)  5, Sly and the Family Stone  5, Luther Vandross  5, Stevie Ray Vaughan  5, Jeff Beck  5, Pearl Jam  5, Korn  5, and Jack Black  5 (via Tenacious D).

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. I don't think sublabels are sufficiently distinct from the big label. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Philips Records

The other label that helped form PolyGram. Including the sub-label Vertigo Records, I was able to link at least 17 vital people to Philips: Serge Gainsbourg  4, Brigitte Bardot  4, Claudio Arrau  5, Alfred Brendel  5, Mitsuko Uchida  5, Camarón de la Isla  5, Paco de Lucía  4, France Gall  5, Johnny Hallyday  5, Gilberto Gil  5, Caetano Veloso  5, Mercedes Sosa  5, Nina Simone  5, Dusty Springfield  5, Dire Straits  5, Demis Roussos  5, and Black Sabbath  4. (Fun fact: the company that would later be bought out by Philips was originally founded to distribute Decca material to the Netherlands, although it doesn't appear that Decca actually owned it.)

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Arista Records

Headed for a long time by Clive Davis  5, it is currently one of Sony's flagship labels. It also is responsible for exposing the Atlanta urban music scene to the world (via its subsidiary LaFace Records) and was technically involved in the East Coast–West Coast hip-hop rivalry (thanks to their initial joint-venture with Bad Boy Records). Including those signed to the aforementioned labels, I was able to link at least 16 other vital people to Arista: Anthony Braxton  5, Kenny G  5, Whitney Houston  5, Barry Manilow  5, Pink (singer)  5, Carry Underwood, Tony Braxton, TLC (group)  5, Usher (musician)  5, Avril Lavigne  5, Patti Smith  5, The Notorious B.I.G.  5, Outkast  5, Sean Combs  5, Alan Parsons  5 (through the The Alan Parsons Project), and Jennifer Hudson  5.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. Oppose sublabels except for exceptions. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Capitol Records

Founded by Johnny Mercer  5, Capitol was one of the first major record company to operate on the West Coast. Besides Mercer, I was able to link at least 16 other vital people to what was once EMI's flagship label: The Beach Boys  4, Nat King Cole  5, Katy Perry  5, Garth Brooks  5, Glen Campbell  5, Merle Haggard  5, Yma Sumac  5, Joe Cocker  5, George Clinton (funk musician)  5 (just his solo work), Tina Turner  5, Wanda Jackson  5, Gene Vincent  5, Megadeth  5, Beastie Boys  5, MC Hammer  5, and Les Paul  5.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. It was only independent from 1942 to 1955. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Polydor Records

Throwing this in because I was able to link at least 16 vital people to them, and PolyGram is partially named after them: Teresa Tang, James Brown  4, Jimi Hendrix  4, Jean-Michel Jarre  5, Andrea Bocelli  5, Chick Corea  5, Sam Hui  5, Lara Fabian  5, Mylène Farmer  5, Zucchero Fornaciari  5, Fishmans  5, Eric Clapton  5, Bee Gees  5, The Who  5, The Cure  5, and Siouxsie and the Banshees  5.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Mercury Records

Founded in 1946, it quickly became a major label thanks to its use of alternative ways to promote their large quantity of music. Including those signed to EmArcy Records, I was able to link 16 vital people to Mercury: Charlie Parker  4, Clifford Brown  5, Max Roach  5, Sarah Vaughn, Patti Page  5, Shania Twain  5, Goran Bregović  5, Dinah Washington  5, Rod Stewart  5, Rush (band)  5, Bon Jovi  5, Def Leppard  5, New York Dolls  5, Kurtis Blow  5, and Nichols and May (Mike Nichols  5 and Elaine May  5).

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Interscope Records

The most recent of my nominees. Nominating this due to being one of Universal's flagship labels, and for its association with Dr. Dre  5's Death Row Records and Aftermath Entertainment. Besides Dre, I was able to link at least 15 other people to Interscope: Tupac Shakur  4, Black Eyed Peas  5, Lana Del Rey  5, Billie Eilish  5, Lady Gaga  5, Enrique Iglesias  5, Gwen Stefani  5, T.A.T.u.  5, Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails  5, 50 Cent  5, Eminem  4, Kendrick Lamar  5, Snoop Dogg  5, and Mark Wahlberg  5 (via Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch).

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Very weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Motown

Designated R&B label. Founded by Berry Gordy  5, its famous blend of pop and soul during the 60s led the company to be the biggest Black-owned label in the world. Besides Gordy (and MJ), I was able to link at least 14 other vital people to Motown: Marvin Gaye  4, Diana Ross  5 and The Supremes  4, Stevie Wonder  4, The Jackson 5  5, Lionel Richie  5, Erykah Badu  5, Boyz II Men  5, Gladys Knight & the Pips  5, James Jamerson  5, Rick James  5, Vice President Smokey Robinson  5 and The Miracles  5, and The Temptations  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Support because it probably has the best brand recognition and identity of any music label. ALittleClass (talk) 22:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Virgin Records

The start of Richard Branson  5's Virgin Group  5 empire. Beside Branson, I was able to link at least 14 other vital people to Virgin: Phil Collins  5, Spice Girls  5, Shaggy (musician)  5, Carlos Vives  5, Manu Chao  5, Janet Jackson  5, Lenny Kravitz  5, The Smashing Pumpkins  5, Sex Pistols  5, Daft Punk  5, David Guetta  5, Frankie Knuckles  5, Massive Attack  5, and Tangerine Dream  5. (Sold to EMI).

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Weak support, although Virgin Group itself is only V5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add A&M Records

Like Island, Motown, and Virgin, A&M was one of those independent labels that was so big that it was simply seen as a mainstream, major company. I was able to link at least 14 other vital people to A&M: Danny Elfman  5 (through his band Oingo Boingo), Amy Grant  5, The Carpenters  5, Maroon 5  5, Phil Ochs  5, Falco (musician)  5, Billy Preston  5, Billy Preston  5, Bryan Adams  5, The Police  5 (as well as Sting (musician)  5's solo career), Burt Bacharach  5, Quincy Jones  5, Carole King  5, and Liza Minnelli  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Reprise Records

Tried to avoid the vanity labels, but then again I wouldn't really consider Reprise a vanity label despite being founded by Frank Sinatra  4. Since it got purchased by Warner in 1963, it has at various points been a flagship label with a slightly counterculture bent, as evidenced by eight of at least 11 other vital people I was able to link: Joni Mitchell  4, Richard Pryor  4, Enya  5, Dean Martin  5, Gram Parsons  5, Gordon Lightfoot  5, Akina Nakamori  5, Neil Young  5, Green Day  5, My Chemical Romance  5, and Sammy Davis Jr.  5

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Melodiya

Nominated this for diversity. This was the main state-owned label for the Soviet Union, so naturally I was able to link at least 11 vital people to it: Sviatoslav Richter  4, Vladimir Vysotsky  4, Yevgeny Mravinsky  5, Grigory Sokolov  5, Sergei Lemeshev  5, David Oistrakh  5, Eduard Khil  5, Valery Leontiev  5, Muslim Magomayev (musician)  5, Alla Pugacheva  5, and Sofia Rotaru  5.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Elektra Records

Originally founded as a folk label, the success of its classical budget sub-label Nonesuch Records allowed the company to become a major player in the psychedelic rock scene. Including those signed to Nonesuch, I was able to link at least 11 other vital people to Elektra: John Adams (composer)  5, Philip Glass  4, Björk  5, Carly Simon  5, Tracy Chapman  5, Youssou N'Dour  5, The Doors  4, Metallica  4, Mötley Crüe  5, The Stooges  5, and Missy Elliott  5. (Owned by Warner.)

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Verve Records

Founded by Norman Granz  5, a lot of critically acclaimed albums like Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Cole Porter Song Book, Getz/Gilberto, Freak Out!, and The Velvet Underground & Nico were recorded for this label. Besides Granz, I was able to link at least 10 other vital people to Verve: Ella Fitzgerald  4, Billie Holiday  4, Stan Getz  5, Dizzy Gillespie  5, Oscar Peterson  5, Ben Webster  5, Lester Young  5, The Velvet Underground  5, Frank Zappa  5, and David Foster  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Blue Note Records

Probably the most critically acclaimed label in history. Well known for their modern jazz recordings and their highly praised album covers. I was able to link at least 10 other vital people to Blue Note: Sidney Bechet  5, Art Blakey  5, Dexter Gordon  5, Elvin Jones  5, Thelonious Monk  5, Bud Powell  5, Wayne Shorter  5, Horace Silver  5, Jimmy Smith (musician)  5, and Herbie Hancock  5. (Once owned by EMI.)

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Geffen Records

Founded by David Geffen  5, it has been a very big rock label from the start. Including those signed to DGC Records, I was able to link at least 9 other people to Geffen: Kitarō  5, Cher  5, Beck  5, Hole (band)  5, Nirvana (band)  4, Sonic Youth  5, Weezer  5, Guns N' Roses  5, and Aerosmith  5. (Owned by Universal.)

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add SM Entertainment

Another diversity nomination. Founded by Lee Soo-man  5, it is currently the largest K-pop label. Besides Lee, I was able to link at least 9 other vital people to SM: BoA  5, Exo  5, Girls' Generation  5, H.O.T.  5, Red Velvet (group)  5, S.E.S. (group)  5, Shinee  5, Super Junior  5, and TVXQ  5.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Def Jam Recordings

Designated hip-hop label. Founded by Rick Rubin  5 and Russell Simmons  5, it is by far the biggest label that primarily focuses on rap music. Besides those two, I was able to link at least 9 other vital people to Def Jam: Jay-Z  5, LL Cool J  5, Public Enemy  5, Slick Rick  5, Kanye West  5, Justin Bieber  5, Rihanna  5, and Slayer  5. (Owned by Universal.)

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 01:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add lion dance and dragon dance

Very famous dances performed during the Chinese New Year  4.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Fair. I thought dragon is more famous, but lion has more interwikis. Whatever, Chinese culture is big and both should be listed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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Changes to Economy of major countries / regions

Following #Add Culture of major countries, here are suggestions for economy tweaks. Comparing Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Culture_by_region (30 entries) and [[3]] (33 entries), there are some discrepancies - such as, no regions in economy. Now, not everything should be mirrored (arguably, some countries are culturally significant, while their economies are of little importance to the world or even their regions; and vice versa). Here are my suggestions for changes, starting with adding economies by regions (continents) - it makes little sense to have VA for Culture of Africa, for example, but not Economy of Africa. Other than that, at this point I only have one suggestion for country-level addition. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Add Economy of Africa

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom.

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Add Economy of Asia

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom.

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Add Economy of Europe

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom.

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Add Economy of North America

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom.

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Add Economy of South America

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom.

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Add Economy of Oceania

Regional (by ontinent) economies should be Vital at this level. Although yeah, how often do you hear anyone talk of Economy of Oceania? If this doesn't pass, however, we should consider whether Culture of Oceania  5 is really vital. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Economy of Poland

Major European country. We list Culture of Poland  5. Arguably as important as economies of many countries we list (Argentina, Australia, South Korea, Thailand, Turkey). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

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1. As nom.

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Add hammam

Also known as the Turkish bath. Don't feel like I need to explain why this Islamic bathing institution needs to be included.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 23:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Invoice

Common type of bill, especially in accounting.

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1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Bluevestman (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

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Move Fire safety

I don't know where to list Fire safety  5 (probably somewhere on Technology), but Legal codes is definitely the wrong place. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Add Transcendentalism

One of the first philosophical movements to originate from the United States, and a pretty big one at that considering that we have Ralph Waldo Emerson  4 and Henry David Thoreau  4 at Level 4.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 19:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
2. _pbp 19:46, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 20:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Anthroposophy

Seems like a big new religious movement. We got Rudolf Steiner  5 already.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

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Move Genre

Genre  5 is listed on Culture > Mass media, but would prefer to list it on Arts. This applies even more to Western (genre)  4.

Support

1. As nominator Lophotrochozoa (talk) 00:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Makes logical sense, and Genre should arguably go up to VA4. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Definitely. In university, you'll hear more about genre in literary studies than in communication studies or journalism. Makkool (talk) 16:26, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Chakra

Really important concept in a bunch of buddhist and hindu traditions, and also newer religious practices.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 20:49, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. This is also an important concept in modern popular media/culture, as it is often referenced. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 21:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
3. Bluevestman (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Sadhu

Do we have any Hindu cleric titles on here? If not, this could be a good start.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add minister (Christianity)

Don't think we have generic cleric titles for Christianity on here either.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Internship

Common type of work, even if it's only temporary.

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1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:25, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Very common way to get started after college. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 04:38, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
3. ALittleClass (talk) 02:22, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:46, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add masquerade ball

Well known European party.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 18:48, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Baal

Technically just a title to refer to a god, but it is often to refer to Hadad (choosing Baal because that article has more interwikis). Went through literal demonization when Yahweh became the sole God for the Jews, and now he's viewed as a demon named Beelzebub. Rated high in a lot of WikiProjects.

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1. Bluevestman (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Marxism–Leninism

There is a difference between Marxism, Leninism, and this.

Support

1. Bluevestman (talk) 23:16, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:57, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
3. ALittleClass (talk) 08:03, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Human nature

Everyone can agree that this article is sufficiently broad enough to be included, so the main possible concern is that the article must self-destruct by being too broad or otherwise poorly defined (hence, why Everything  5 is only VA5 despite its impressive scope). But this is not the case here, as the article specifically collects perspectives over history about how humans are psychologically/spiritually, apart from the subjective influences of a specific culture.

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 01:54, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Sex-selective abortion

The practice of aborting a specific gender, almost always a female fetus. It's estimated that there are now tens of millions of "missing women" due to this practice [4], especially in eastern countries like India and China, and this has had wide societal ramifications.

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1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 19:02, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

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Add Discipline

"The self-control that is gained by requiring that rules or orders be obeyed, and the ability to keep working at something that is difficult". This is something that is admired and valued by a large chunk of people globally, it's arguably the main thing that impacts how successful your life is. There's a huge swath of media and industries/services that are designed to help people improve this trait.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 19:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
2. Support  Carlwev  23:25, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:19, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Anonymity

Very important.

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1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:48, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
2. VERY important. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:43, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Support, was important earlier, but even more now in the digital age.  Carlwev  22:14, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Grief

Pretty common emotion.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 02:00, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Support, some overlap with Sorrow (emotion) but still OK and grief is probably the better of the two.  Carlwev  22:23, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:21, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Cogito, ergo sum

World-famous philosophical phrase/concept. I hadn't nominated this earlier due to quota concerns, but now the relevant page's quota has been increased. I think Epistemology concepts is a solid place to add this.

Support

1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:53, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Not too different from Occam's razor  4 and Is–ought problem  4 in terms of simple philosophical statements. ALittleClass (talk) 02:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Per both above. J947 ‡ ^edits 03:32, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Of course, famous. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
5. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

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What if I abruptly riposte with a selection like White Horse Dialogue? Descartes's dualism and skepticism are both satisfactorily represented in VAspace imo. Remsense 🌈 论 11:56, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Remsense I would support such an addition. ALittleClass (talk) 04:50, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Add Divide and conquer

Refers to the strategy used by people to gain or maintain power by dividing the populous (so that they don't form a cohesive singular group that rebels, for example).

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 04:30, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
2. V5 concept. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Important. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove either Mercedes-Benz  5 or Mercedes-Benz Group  5

We don't need both of these.

Support

1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Support removing Mercedes-Benz Group. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:30, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Support removing Mercedes-Benz Group Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Insult

We're encouraged not to use any on discussions on this website. The opposite of a statement of Praise  5.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 23:34, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Also a very important part of Humour  3/Comedy  4, probably should be V4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Facepalm support. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:44, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Loanword

"a word at least partly assimilated from one language into another language" This happens very commonly across languages.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Important enough to be V5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:34, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Philanthropy

Private initiatives for the public good.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 19:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
2.  Carlwev  06:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:23, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Important enough for V5, sure. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:34, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Winemaking

Brewing  4 is VA4 and I think the importance and historical impact of wine is at a similar level as beer.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 22:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Agreed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:35, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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1. Both this and brewing belong in technology. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:59, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Add New Year's Eve

This seems more important than New Year's Day  4. It has more interwikis (80 vs 55). To me this seems more important than New Year  4 although interwikis gives a different result.

Support

1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Sure. Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
3. _pbp 02:21, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Yeah. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Anomie

Support

1. Concept created by Émile Durkheim  4, describing the breakdown of moral values. 96.79.100.209 (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Concept appears often enough in sociology discussions, merits V5 placement. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:36, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Settler colonialism

Support

1. The type of colonialism where migrants settle and take over the land. 96.79.100.209 (talk) 16:25, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Independence

This wouldn't look out of place at level 4, or even level 3 at a push, I'm sure it's at least level 5. At the moment we list things that look like they could a subtopic of independence like Independence referendum before independence itself. The article exists in 119 languages if I count correct, and has 1.7 million page views in last 10 years. [5] In the general area of law and politics we list things like Law of Cuba, Law of Poland, Law of Afghanistan which exist in one, four and two other languages, the concept of independence seams at least as important as those concepts, if not more. There is some overlap with liberty but that is level 3 at the moment, and many level 5 articles have some overlap with level 3 concepts, especially in society and politics.

Support

1. as nom.  Carlwev  21:18, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:32, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:17, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
4. Facepalm time. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Autonomy

Again wouldn't look out of place at higher levels, but must be at least level 5. Concept of an individual, group or state allowed or granted freedom to make their decisions about their own lives and actions. Seems equal or higher than many other articles listed in level 5 in the same area. Exists in 73 languages, and 2.6 million views since 2015 [6]

1. as nom.  Carlwev  21:18, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Was going to suggest this, albeit I do think the article could be better structured. ALittleClass (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
4. V5, of course. V4, hmmm. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:37, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Historically black colleges and universities

How did we forget to add the concept of HBCUs to list. Ouch…

Support

1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 02:17, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
3. U.S. centric, but still an important topic. Weak support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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1. Because its US-centric topic of little relevance to the rest of the world? From the sociological perspective, I'd consider Residential segregation in the United States earlier, although Racism in the United States should be added first. That might even be V4. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:32, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Remove law articles with low page views

Remove Substitution (law)  5

Currently has the lowest page view of law articles. Rated Mid-importance in Wikiproject Law.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Never heard (or remember) the term. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Law of Egypt  5

The lowest page views of the "law of country" articles. Rated Mid-importance in Wikiproject Law.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Unimportant outside its own country, which is not particularly important outside its history - and not legal history, AFAIK. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Master (judiciary)  5

Low page views and also rated Mid-importance in Wikiproject Law.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Only two interwikis. Gots to go _pbp 16:43, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Never heard (or remember) the term. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove International judicial institution  5

A stub and list type of article. Low page views and rated Mid-importance in Wikiproject Law.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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1. This could be important, in theory... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Remove Law of Cuba  5

Second lowest page views of the "law of country" articles. Rated Mid-importance in Wikiproject Law.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Unimportant outside its own country, which is not particularly important on all counts, sadly. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Coroner's jury  5

No interwikis. Rated Mid-importance in Wikiproject Law.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Never heard (or remember) the term. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Lolita fashion  5

A rather niche subculture that should be removed. This is one of my own additions from years back. We've been trimming sub-cultures, but it seems this has been left in the dark.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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1. 32 interwikis, sys-bias area (fashion), and arguably popculture important. I'd keep it. I don't recall any trimming of subcultures - links plz? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:41, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

1. Anime and manga fandom was also up for removal; which was my main motivation to nominate this. Also, because the article says that it "has waned in Japan as of the 2010s as alternative fashions fell in popularity" Makkool (talk) 13:44, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

   Thanks, I missed it. I'd have strongly opposed removal of such a major subculture, I am glad it stayed. IMHO we should add more such topics, IMHO they are much more relevant than - for example - some ethnic groups nobody ever heard about except a few anthropologists and locals (see your nom below). Please don't take it the wrong way - I just have a different view here on what's important/vital. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Makassar people  5

Lowest amount of page views in the Ethnology section.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
2. I am not convinced minor groups like this merit V5. What makes it important? Do tell. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:45, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
3. More ethnic groups should be listed, but this isn't one of the best candidates. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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1. More, not fewer, ethnic groups should be listed, and this one is pretty interesting. 50.173.56.99 (talk) 02:15, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add racism by country

We can likely add more, although I'll start with just a few. Feel free to add more, but with justification. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Add Racism in the United States

When people talk about regional racism, the US one is arguably the most often mentioned, internationnally too. We have polenty of its subtopics at V5 and likely higher. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Racism  3 is Level 3. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
4. ALittleClass (talk) 06:41, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
5. --Thi (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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1. Category:Racism by country lists 44 pages and 89 subcategories. I don't much care for the "______ of country" articles as is, because every time we include another set we open the door for adding the articles for EVERY country to the list. The three examples chosen seem a bit random as well. We could include Racism in Russia, Racism in France, and Racism in the United Kingdom if we're listing out the UN Security council, but throwing Germany into the mix opens the door for literally every other country. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Per GeogSage. We have too many X by country articles as of now, and "racism by country" doesn't feel like a vital type of article to include. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Oppose for a different reason, this feels like a way of using the project to declare "X country is really racist". Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Racism in Germany

Led to Holocaust etc. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Racism  3 is Level 3 and The Holocaust  4 is Level 4. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Per above oppostion. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above opposition. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Oppose for a different reason, this feels like a way of using the project to declare "X country is really racist". Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Racism in China

China is big and more and more important. Its discrimination policides affects tens of millions (ex. Persecution of Uyghurs in China  5. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:51, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Racism  3 is Level 3. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:05, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
3. ALittleClass (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Per above oppostion. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 03:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Per above opposition. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Oppose for a different reason, this feels like a way of using the project to declare "X country is really racist". Kevinishere15 (talk) 22:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Easter basket  5 (or swap with Easter egg)

The Easter basket is not as vital as a tradition when compared to the Christmas tree  5 for example. I don't think we need Easter basket, but if we want to have at least one Easter tradition represented, I suggest we have the easter egg instead. Note, we also use a slot for the general article Easter traditions  5.

Support remove

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Support swap

1. Weak support as nom. Makkool (talk) 14:14, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Strong support adding easter egg, leaning towards swap due to Easter traditions already being listed and the much more famous Christmas tree only being V5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:30, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Support swap. Egg is more important than basket. Easter traditions can and does cover other topics like baskets. (Note. Easter bunny is also listed somewhere, and probably should be. Was once level 4.)  Carlwev  01:57, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Singles' Day  5

An unofficial holiday in China, and according to the article: "the largest physical retail and online shopping day in the world". I don't think unofficial holidays should have a vital article slot. Note, we don't list Black Friday.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 14:19, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Miracle

Important religion topic.

Support

1. As nom. 50.145.215.26 (talk) 02:59, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
2. ALittleClass (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Support  Carlwev  09:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
4. --Thi (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Execution methods should be listed together

I think Hanging  5 and Decapitation  5 should be moved under Capital punishment  4 along with Execution by firing squad  5, even though the first two can also be methods of suicide, and decapitation could occur by accident (although that is very rare). 50.145.215.26 (talk) 03:31, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, Electric chair, Guillotine and Gallows, which are listed on the STEM page, while Pillory is not an execution device but it's a punishment device so it should likely be on the same page. 50.145.215.26 (talk) 04:11, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Add Gay men

The male equivalent of a Lesbian  5. Gay men often have had distinct cultures throughout history, and the repercussions and social stigmas were and are often different compared to lesbians.

Support

1. As nom. ALittleClass (talk) 06:48, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:09, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Letter (message) and Postcard

Historically important ways of communicating.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Gum arabic and Hookah

Historically and culturally important. Traded around the world for centuries (see Incense trade route  5)

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Luxury goods

This classification overlaps with economics, art history, military expansion, fashion, etc.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Commodity

An important concept in economics, business, finance, and world trade.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Banditry

Historically important form of organized crime. Still common in parts of the world.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Cultural diffusion and Loanword

Important in anthropology and linguistics, respectively.

Support

1. As nom. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

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Remove Deutsches Institut für Normung

For the same reason that American National Standards Institute was removed: standards organizations within a single country are of limited significance, probably not enough for this list. I don't think this means other types of organizations within a single country need to be removed, however.

Support

1. As nom. 204.195.97.109 (talk) 02:42, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
2. Per nom. J947 ‡ ^edits 03:55, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
3. Makkool (talk) 16:14, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

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Add Khoekhoe

The Khoekhoe people, along with the San people  4, are considered the earliest inhabitants of Southern Africa and are genetically distinct from other human populations. They contrast with most of southern and central Africa which is inhabited by Bantu peoples  4. Unlike the Bantu groups (such as Zulu people  4, Xhosa people, and Tswana people) who were traditionally farmers, the Khoekhoe were traditionally herders and the San were hunter-gatherers. (Maybe they still are today, I'm not sure). I considered proposing Khoisan instead, which comprises both Khoekhoe and San people  4, but some of what I've read suggests the differences between these two groups are larger than their similarities. I noticed that Khoisan languages  4 is also at level 4.

Support

1. As nom. 96.89.118.93 (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

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