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00:20, 18 May 2025 review of submission by ElPython

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Hello! My draft was recently denied due to the sources, and I am curious what sources are the problem? I used similar sources to other articles related to speech and debate. ElPython (talk) 00:20, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ElPython You should engage in the first instance with the declining reviewer, since they know what was in their mind. What I see when looking at the draft is that your list of Notes is hard to verify, and the list of references shows that the appear not to be citations. Mine was a very cursory look. @ToadetteEdit: do you wish to add any commentary please? 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 09:33, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

01:08, 18 May 2025 review of submission by 73.174.159.239

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Hi, please accept this Article, as it is about a deceased singer who had significant influence on the entertainment industry. Her production team wants her legacy to live on. Thanks. 73.174.159.239 (talk) 01:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

73.174.159.239: (Are you Thetradings? If so, please log in before editing or commenting.) That is sad news about Gloria, but Wikipedia is not a memorial. Both this draft and a previous draft from November were rejected because they do not meet the basic notability criteria for biographies and the reviewers of the drafts could not independently find any evidence that she had significant influence on the entertainment industry. In addition, I find it hard to believe that her team would want this photo appearing next to any biography of her. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:38, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Her production team wants her legacy to live on" - If you are being payed to edit, you must reveal this. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:48, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. This is more suitable for a personal webpage rather than Wikipedia, both due to lack of acceptable sources and hagiographical tone. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:52, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And based on what myself and a reviewer have seen doing WP:BEFORE, it's probable this is some sort of hoax. (There are social media posts from her that post-date both dates of her alleged death (March 14, April 5), one of which discusses her pregnancy as if it's current, which makes no sense if she died days/weeks earlier in childbirth.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 21:51, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

04:32, 18 May 2025 review of submission by 128.75.76.42

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too short 128.75.76.42 (talk) 04:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. This is a one-sentence "article" that includes links to a bunch of .app pages. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 06:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

08:34, 18 May 2025 review of submission by 2001:1708:70B:7B00:85A5:D5F5:B052:4980

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a 2001:1708:70B:7B00:85A5:D5F5:B052:4980 (talk) 08:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What question do you have? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the earlier thread about this draft above. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:08, 18 May 2025 review of submission by Ferdous

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On 11 May 2025, I created the article Gram Chikitsalay. As an experienced user—having created thousands of articles on Bangla Wikipedia, where I also hold sysop rights—I published it directly in the main namespace. However, a few hours later, user:CharlieMehta moved the page to Draft:Gram Chikitsalay, stating it was "Not ready for mainspace, incubate in draftspace," citing the need for additional sources.

I subsequently added more citations and submitted the draft for review on 12 May 2025. Then, at 15:38 on 18 May 2025, user:Kovcszaln6 declined the submission, stating: "exists – Submission is duplicated by another article already in mainspace," referring to a version created on 14 May 2025 at 02:47 by user:ItsKhan_Aman.

Frankly, this experience has been disheartening. It feels like my time and effort have been disregarded. It’s extremely frustrating to see meaningful contributions treated in this manner. ferdous 12:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferdous: You are welcome to merge anything that's not in the mainspace article into the mainspace article. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 12:23, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferdous: just so I understand better where you're coming from, what would you say should have been done differently here (assuming, that is, that CharlieMehta was right to draftify your article, and that the version by ItsKhan_Aman was fit to be published, neither of which I have looked into)? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing: Thank you for your thoughtful question. In hindsight, I think this situation could have been handled with more communication and coordination. Even if draftification was appropriate, a brief note or discussion before moving the page might have encouraged collaboration instead of parallel efforts. Once a duplicate article appeared, there could have been an opportunity to consolidate rather than discard one version. I’m not questioning the policies, but I do feel the process could be more inclusive and considerate of contributors’ time and intentions—especially when they are actively working on improving the content. I understand that Wikipedia is a collaborative project, but collaboration also involves communication. That’s all I had hoped for. ferdous 14:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferdous: yes, I can see why that would be frustrating, but I think this was mainly a case of unfortunate timing, and a little bit of the way the system is structured, and I honestly don't see how the problem could have been avoided.
When your article was draftified, a message was automatically posted by the moving script on your talk page to say so. That's pretty standard practice when draftifying; I don't think anything else needed to be done at that time.
When an article by the same title was later created in the main space again, this wasn't a case of a 'duplicate' appearing, as such, it was rather a main space article being published on a subject on which a draft also existed in the draft space. When that article was being created, a message should have flagged up the presence of this draft, but I don't know whether the author didn't notice it or simply disregarded it. At this point, neither the user who draftified your article, nor anyone at AfC, had any involvement in this matter (that I can see at least) and probably were blissfully ignorant of the whole thing.
When you submitted your draft, the main space article didn't yet exist, so you weren't alerted to its existence.
There was then (regrettably, but understandably given that we have well over pending 3,000 drafts in the system) a time lapse of two days between you submitting the draft and it being reviewed, by which time the main space article had been published. At this point the AfC system did flag up its presence to the reviewer, who didn't really have any other choice but to decline the submission, since we couldn't have two articles on the same subject.
Please do correct me if I've got something wrong, or missed out on something germane. Otherwise we should probably file this under 'bad luck' -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:14, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the entire draft is written by AI anyway (100% in GPTZero, and it was quite obvious from a read). There's quite a lot of WP:PEACOCK phrasing in there. Paragraphs like Through this gripping narrative, Gram Chikitsalaya explores the complexities of rural healthcare, the ethical questions surrounding unqualified medical practitioners, and the challenges of introducing modern medicine in communities where traditions run deep. With a mix of drama, humor, and social commentary, the series raises important questions about survival, trust, and the fine line between faith and science in the medical world are inappropriate in an article. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 02:23, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And far more at home in a program-listing/boxset-back-cover blurb--which is exactly where this prose belongs. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 10:56, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

16:07, 18 May 2025 review of submission by Iceman101184

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I have cited many relevent sources. i would love help improving this entry from more experienced Wikipedia editors/authors. Iceman101184 (talk) 16:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Iceman101184 Most of your sources do not exist and their URLs mostly lead to 404 error pages. Did you use AI to generate references? To meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, the draft should contain independent sources that focus on Nelson Nash rather than Infinite Banking. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:43, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

16:24, 18 May 2025 review of submission by 206.176.151.163

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Hello, I’m requesting assistance for my draft. My page was rejected according to reviewer FuzzyMagma that I used an LLM, which I did not. I also provided many sources for my draft. Would anyone be able to assist me in this matter ? 206.176.151.163 (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted.
I ran the lead through a checker and it came back 100% AI generated. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That’s weird though, because I didn’t use AI Dangermanmeetz (talk) 16:53, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way to fix this issue ? I don’t want to constantly submit and then someone erroneously claims I used an LLM. Dangermanmeetz (talk) 17:01, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

16:46, 18 May 2025 review of submission by Bottyguy

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Hi, I've added some additional citations for this article, including a book reference, and a more in depth article from the Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper. I'm not sure how much deeper citation I can obtain for a sandwich. Most of the sandwiches in the list of sandwiches aren't deeper sourced. Bottyguy (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That other inappropriate articles exist does not justify adding more inappropriate articles. See other stuff exists. If you tell us whicn other articles you're referring to, we can take action. We're only as good as the people who choose to help.
If you have no other sources, the sandwich likely does not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 16:49, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

17:29, 18 May 2025 review of submission by Karvlig

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Hello,

I created this page to meet criterion 8 for academic pages -- "The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area." Jonsson is the co-editor of a major journal, the Journal of Modern History. Karvlig (talk) 17:29, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need the "Draft:" portion of the title when linking, I fixed this. 331dot (talk) 18:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The draft says very little beyond his work. 331dot (talk) 18:44, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Karvlig Accepted as a stub. There needs to be a substantial expansion, but I agree that Jonsson passes the criterion you cite 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 19:54, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:07, 18 May 2025 review of submission by Kyledestroyeryt

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what needs changing? Kyledestroyeryt (talk) 18:07, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been rejected and won't be able to be resubmitted. Unfortunately, you (like almost all of us!) are simply not notable enough for a Wikipedia article about yourself. See WP:BIO. CoconutOctopus talk 18:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

20:34, 18 May 2025 review of submission by 178.174.193.182

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1. I have inserted doi references. How to make these visible?

'2. I have a photo of L.B. How do I upload? 178.174.193.182 (talk) 20:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Photos are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. Photos can wait until the draft is accepted. 331dot (talk) 20:42, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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