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U.S. Figure Skating Championships

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U.S. Figure Skating Championships (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:28, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because this is one of the flagship articles of the Figure Skating WikiProject and should be of the highest quality. The results are all sourced and documented, the tables are properly formatted, a well-sourced history is provided and I believe the sources are properly formatted, and relevant photographs are used to reflect both the present-day and historical contexts. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or comments, and thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:28, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TheDoctorWho

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Image review
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  • The image in the Infobox has been uploaded to Wikipedia under a fair-use license and has a proper non-free rationale listed.
  • All other images were uploaded to Commons under CC-By licenses
  • All images have proper captions and alt text included
General comments
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  • United States can be delinked in the Infobox per MOS:OVERLINK
  • "There were no interruptions due to World War II as there had been during World War I; only the senior men's events were cancelled in 1944 and 1945 - would the lack of men's events not be an interruption? Not a full one as in WWI, of course, but still "interrupts" from the events that were typically held
  • "was also on the flight." -> "was on the flight as well." - just a suggestion to avoid two "also"'s so close together
  • I don't think it would hurt to link to the three section championship articles in the "Regions and sections" section
  • "impact of the COVID-19 pandemic" --> impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on figure skating - more specific link (might have to edit source to get the exact destination)
  • I don't know that the paragraph in the "Women's Single" medalist section is needed given that it's also a note in the table and a paragraph in the history section.

Nice work once again, TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:11, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

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  • Some of the Newspapers.com citations use the wrong page number. Picked up a few during a spotcheck:
    • Citation 90: "p. 51" is actually p. 1D.
    • Citation 92: "p. 58" is actually "sec. 4, p. 1".
    • Citation 205: "p. 33" is actually "part III, p. 5".
    • Citation 206: "p. 66" is actually p. 2D.
    • Citation 247: p. 88 is actually "sec. 3, p. 6".
  • Newspaper citations have repeated links, but Skating does not? This should be rectified.
  • U.S. Figure Skating citations use work parameter instead of publisher, which does not seem to be correct.
  • Citation 15 is missing access-date information.
  • Citation 16 is missing access-date information and a link to Slate.
  • Citation 25 is missing author and date information; should also be marked as subscriber-only access.
  • Citation 27 should use U.S. Figure Skating in its publisher field to prevent it from appearing like a fansite.
  •  Done These should all be corrected. The Washington Post article (citation 25) does not appear to have an author.

Will take a deeper look later. SounderBruce 02:40, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh & TheDoctorWho, I have not received a response to my followup on March 24. You're both good with sources; can you tell me what the second bullet point above is in reference to? Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:01, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am not entirely sure honestly. The way it was written, it sounds as if Skating (the magazine) used as a reference was linked in some places but not others and that Newspapers.com is linked on every usage. However, after looking it at myself it doesn't appear that Skating is linked anywhere and I couldn't locate an article for this magazine. Pinging @SounderBruce: again for a potential response, just in case this slipped past their notifications.
As a side note, I noticed that U.S. Figure Skating is italicized in some sources (4, 9) but not in others (1, 12). There may be more instances, but I just noticed those on a first glance, it should also be consistent. TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:55, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
TheDoctorWho, this was in response to the third bullet point above. I substituted "publisher" for "website" on sources that were PDFs, but not for genuine websites. The formatting seems to italicize websites, but not publishers. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:06, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay, I was going through with a few spotchecks and got a little sidetracked with other stuff. Went ahead and fixed a few remaining formatting issues, but there's two points remaining, Bgsu98. SounderBruce 03:59, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OlifanofmrTennant

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  • Consider listing the state name next to the city
    • I'm afraid this would make the tables excessively bulky, and it's also contrary to how tables on similar articles are set up. I wouldn't feel comfortable making this change unilaterally, but I can post on the Figure Skating WikiProject to solicit feedback from others. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:24, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Theresa Weld of the United States won the women's event." I don't think "of the United States" is needed because this is about the American contest
    • I think the only reason that is there is because I had just finished identifying the two skaters from Canada who won two of the three events, and this was the clarify that the third champion at the U.S. Championships was actually an American skater. Canadians used to compete at the early U.S. Championships, and vice versa; Americans could compete at the early Canadian Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move ref 1 away from the section heading
    • That is the only place where that statement ("The event is organized by U.S. Figure Skating, the sport's national governing body") is made. Unless you would prefer the source be put in the infobox. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If the only other place where it would apply is the infobox then move it there. Per WP:CITEFOOT "Citations should not be placed within, or on the same line as, section headings." Olliefant (she/her) 21:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bgsu98: Olliefant (she/her) 21:40, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @OlifanofmrTennant:, I'm not sure that's technically a section heading, but I've moved it to the infobox either way. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:48, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • For ties put both in the gold column and use {{N/A}} for the silver column
  • Why no competition in 1919?
  • Move the ref in the gold column to the ref column. Rename "Ref" to "Ref(s)"
    •  Done That source was leftover from when many of the cells were empty, as it only confirms the gold medalists in each event. Since the sources down the righthand column now confirm everything in the row, including the gold medalist, so I've just removed them. It's still a good source, so I put it down at the bottom of the article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thats what I found ping when done Olliefant (she/her) 17:42, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OlifanofmrTennant, please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:25, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Olliefant (she/her) 00:30, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TheUzbek

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  • The sentences "The U.S. Figure Skating Championships are held annually to crown the national champions of the United States." and "The event is organized by U.S. Figure Skating, the sport's national governing body." should be merged. For example, "The U.S. Figure Skating Championships, organised by the national governing body U.S. Figure Skating, are held annually to crown the national champions of the United States.
    That's not a great argument, really! You are nominating this for FA, that is, you are trying to make it better than all those other articles. TheUzbek (talk) 04:46, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's a fair point. The merged sentence reads awkwardly to me, and I did hone this language for the lead to be used across the series of articles, many of which I'm hoping to elevate to FL (Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships has already been elevated to FL).
  • "The competition's results are among the criteria used to determine the American teams to the World Championships, World Junior Championships, Four Continents Championships, and Winter Olympics." To me, this sounds awkward.
  • Why did a Canadian win the first event? Isn't this a US-only event?
    That needs to be stated. TheUzbek (talk) 04:41, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Done It sure does!
  • "There were no total interruptions to the championships due to World War II as there had been during World War I; only the senior men's events were cancelled in 1944 and 1945, because all but one of the skaters who would have competed had enlisted in the military" ---> "No total disruption" sounds awkward to me.
  • "It took the rest of the decade for U.S. figure skating to recover from the sudden loss of so many top-tier athletes and other related personnel. " ---> rewrite
    •  Done I just deleted it. Someone else added that text, and it really has nothing to do with the U.S. Championships.
  • "Photographs of the champions from the event show four medalists on the podium, and while the caption identifies the fourth-place medalist as simply "fourth", they are clearly seen wearing a medal." ---> is this sentence needed? Do people dispute this fact?
    •  Done I thought someone might. As no one has, I've removed the whole paragraph and relocated the citation to the lead paragraph where the pewter medals are mentioned. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which had always been a required element of men's and women's single skating" ---> "which had been a required element of men's and women's single skating"
  • I feel like the history section is more about athletes than the actual competition itself, how it was organised et. cetra.
    • Well, those are the major events in the history of the competition. The plane crash immediately after the 1961 championships, Tonya and Nancy, the plane crash after the 2025 championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't have any comments regarding the actual list! --TheUzbek (talk) 11:14, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • TheUzbek, thank you for your feedback. Please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:16, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • TheUzbek, I have addressed your follow-up comments. Please let me know if you have any other suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        I still don't like this sentence structure: "The U.S. Figure Skating Championships are held annually to crown the national champions of the United States. Skaters compete in men's singles, women's singles, pair skating, and ice dance at the senior and junior levels. The event is organized by U.S. Figure Skating, the sport's national governing body.[1] Pewter medals have been awarded to the fourth-place finishers in each event since 1988."
        First, you introduce the competition, then jump to the competitions in the championships, then who organizes the competition, and then the pewter medals. This all seems a bit random to me! TheUzbek (talk) 06:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        TheUzbek, I moved the bit about the pewter medals down to the history section, although I'm not sure it really belongs there either. It needs to be somewhere, since pewter medals are unique to the U.S. Championships. I don't think the rest of the first paragraph is made up of random elements since they all highlight the main features of the championships. I did reorder the sentences, and added a sentence indicating the first year the event took place. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:34, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        Look at these FLs: List of World Chess Championships, CMLL World Women's Championship, List of World Rally Championship Drivers' champions, World Women's Billiards Championship and List of World Snooker Championship winners. These are all good examples of leads. I literally feel that your first paragraph could be split into three to four separate ones. To compare, in the list, List of World Rally Championship Drivers' champions, each sentence in the first paragraph of the lead builds upon information in the last sentence. That is a very good lead. TheUzbek (talk) 12:41, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        TheUzbek, I have re-worked the lead to follow European Figure Skating Championships, although I ended up splitting the paragraph into two. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:58, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        Way, way better! :) Small thing, this sentence:

        Medals are awarded in men's singles, women's singles, pair skating, and ice dance at the senior and junior levels. Skaters may qualify for the national championships by competing at either the Pacific Coast Sectional Finals, Eastern Sectional Finals, Midwestern Sectional Finals, U.S. Ice Dance Finals, or U.S. Pairs Finals. The results of the competition are among the criteria used to determine the American teams to the World Championships, World Junior Championships, Four Continents Championships, and Winter Olympics.

        should be changed to this:

        Skaters may qualify for the national championships by competing at either the Pacific Coast Sectional Finals, Eastern Sectional Finals, Midwestern Sectional Finals, U.S. Ice Dance Finals, or U.S. Pairs Finals. Medals are awarded in men's singles, women's singles, pair skating, and ice dance at the senior and junior levels. The results of the competition are among the criteria used to determine the American teams to the World Championships, World Junior Championships, Four Continents Championships, and Winter Olympics.

        Why? Skater, qualification, medal results/prizes, and qualifying seem more logical than medal results/prizes, skaters, qualification, and qualifying, at least to me. TheUzbek (talk) 14:06, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
         Done That was an easy fix. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        Support TheUzbek (talk) 04:33, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted. --PresN 22:16, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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