Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/British Figure Skating Championships/archive1
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- Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since U.S. Figure Skating Championships was just promoted to Featured List, I am now nominating this one as well. The results are all sourced and documented, the tables are properly formatted, a history is provided, I believe the sources are properly formatted, and relevant photographs are used to reflect both the present day and historical contexts. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or comments, and thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:59, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
[edit]- As this is a British topic then British English should be used per MOS:TIES. Therefore "organized" should be "organised", "focused" should be "focussed", "recognized" should be "recognised", "medalists" should be "medallists"
- "a separate competition for women was established in 1927" - wasn't Madge Sayers a woman? Was the competition mixed prior to this?
- Yes, as I wrote at the beginning of the paragraph, women were not barred from competing even though figure skating was (at the time) dominated by men. So, yes, several women did compete prior to the establishment of a separate women's event. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, I was referring to the lead...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, okay, I'm sorry. I see now that I used that same sentence twice. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you add to the lead as well as the body that the competition was originally mixed? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, I was referring to the lead...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- There is stuff in the lead (e.g. the fact that they are held in Sheffield) which is not in the body
Done Re-located elsewhere. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any way to merge the last three micro-paragraphs in the History section either with each other or into other paragraphs?
- The flag icons in the tables violate MOS:FLAG as they are not accompanied by any other way of identifying the countries. In particular it's essentially impossible at that size to distinguish between the flags of Australia and New Zealand
Done I believe my solution should solve this problem. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Some of the events are listed as being held in Golders Green, Streatham, Westminster, etc, all of which are districts of London, but others just show "London" generically. Is it not known exactly where they were held?
- Okay, I am not familiar with which of those locations might be London districts (well, I did recognize Wembley). I went by what the sources stated, and some of them did not identify a location other than the ice rink. If I find out where in London an ice rink is located, does that qualify as original research? Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude, all should be addressed except for the last point where I raised a question. Let me know when you have a chance, and thank you for your feedback! Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude, I see from your profile that you are in the U.K., which is very cool. Let me know whether you think that if I investigate where the ice rinks as sourced are located in London, if that would qualify as original research. Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If the sources just specify London, then it's fine as it is -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude, please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions! Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:57, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll take another look later..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - apologies for forgetting to check back until now
-- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:01, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you so much; I appreciate your time and constructive feedback! Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TheDoctorWho
[edit]Leaving a placeholder comment here. My schedule is a bit hectic through Monday so ping me if I haven't returned within a week. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The results of the competition are among the criteria used to determine the British entries to the World Figure Skating Championships, the World Junior Figure Skating Championships, the European Figure Skating Championships, and the Winter Olympics.
" - none of this is actually mentioned in the article, which is a MOS:LEAD violation
- As usual, "Swedish Challenge Cup" should probably redirect to that section, or the text shouldn't be in bold
- I honestly thought I'd already created a redirect.
Done Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:35, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I honestly thought I'd already created a redirect.
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Although figure skating at this time was dominated by men, and women also competed in the championships, a separate category for women was established in 1927.
" - this reads a little odd, perhaps swapping the first two bits around, something like: "Although women competed in the competition, figure skating was dominated by men at the time so a separate category for women was established in 1927."
- "
The British Championships were open to skaters from members of the British Commonwealth; skaters from Australia, Canada, and South Africa occasionally competed.
" - are these the only other countries that skaters are allowed to compete from? Are others allowed but no one ever has? Might be good to expand on this briefly into general competition eligibility in terms of nationality.
- As I understand it, anyone from a Commonwealth nation could compete, but those three are really the only ones that had notable skating programs. Also New Zealand. As for whether other skaters competed, I'm not really sure, since the results never really expounded on anyone other than the top 3 in any given competition. If skaters from, say, New Zealand also competed, but placed lower than third, it wouldn't have been publicized. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Since 2010, the British Championships have been held at IceSheffield in Sheffield.
" - perhaps a brief mention of places other competitions have been held? Looking at the table I know it would quickly turn INDISCRIMINATE to list every location, but places like London for example is a prime example where it's actually been held more times than Sheffield.
- I only mentioned Sheffield because it has become the de facto permanent home of the championships. If, at some point in the future, the location changes, I'd just remove this. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- On second thought, I just removed it altogether. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:49, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Other than that everything looks good! Tables have captions, images have alt text. Nice work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- TheDoctorWho, Thank you for your feedback! Let me know if you have any other comments or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:45, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I totally didn't misread the part about the British Commonwealth when I reviewed this, that statement should be fine as is. Everything else was addressed, so I'm happy to support! TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:34, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OlifanofmrTennant
[edit]- "They have been interrupted only three times since their inception." when where those times?
- Those are cited in the history section. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Paragraph two in the lead is one big sentence. Could it be broken up?
- I just joined it to the following paragraph. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Note the former name in the lead
- I don't think the "(with x)" need to be in parentheses.
- I really think they need to be somehow offset. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "The British Championships were open to skaters from members of the British Commonwealth; skaters from Australia, Canada, and South Africa occasionally competed." I don't think the second half is needed as the first half states that commonwealth members can partake
- I wanted to specify those countries because they show up on the tables. Therefore, a reader isn't wondering why someone from Canada medaled at the British Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Occasionally the completion wont happen but a city is still listed, for example 1949 says "No men's competitors" yet lists London.
- There was a competition in London, but there was no men's event. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The records section is unsourced, yet the information is sourced in the lead. Could these citations be move out of the lead and into the records section per WP:LEADCITE
Done That's interesting. No one has ever brought that up before on previous articles, but I did move them down to the table. I think it looks better that way, too. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Separate English style championships continued in Great Britain, but they were not recognised as the official British Championships." citation needed
- Removed altogether. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Ping me when done Olliefant (she/her) 17:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- OlifanofmrTennant, thank you for your feedback! Please let me know if you have any other concerns or suggestions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
[edit]- Not all references have archive links. (Examples include, but are not limited to, sources #2, 6, 76, and 151.)
- Those appear to be newspapers.com articles, which for a while were not archivable. I think that problem has been fixed, so I can address those when I get home this afternoon.
- All sources should now be archived.
- All newspapers.com links should probably have some kind of
|url-access
parameter included, as they appear to require at least registration, if not payment after 7 days of usage.
- As I understand it, once the newspapers.com article has been clipped, it is visible to any and all regardless of registration.
- Got it RE: clippings from newspapers.com
Spot-checking sources:
- Source 2 says that the name change from "Swedish Challenge Cup" took place in 1906, but the list article text says that happened in 1904. Though the newspaper article is blurry, you can confirm that it at least did NOT happen in 1904, since the newspaper article goes on to state "In that year it was on by Mr. H. Torromé" -- he won in 1905 and 1906 according to the list article, but not in 1904.
Done That must have been an error on my part, so I fixed it.
- Source 14 checks out.
- Source 33 checks out.
- Source 51: missing page number (page 26). Otherwise checks out.
Done It was also missing the volume and issue numbers. All added.
- Source 63 checks out.
- Source 77 checks out.
- Source 81 checks out.
- Source 94: Does not appear to check out at all. Absolutely nothing in the source appears to match up with where it's used in the article -- not even plus-or-minus one year.
- Are you sure you're not looking at the lists labeled primary? That's the level below junior and is usually for children. You want to examine the junior and senior lists.
- You're correct. I was looking at primary and thinking that they were the "main" contestants, and not scrolling down in the source far enough. It checks out.
- Source 108 checks out.
- Sources 130 and 131 check out.
- Source 145 checks out.
- Source 155 checks out.
Overall, an amazing number of sources. Though, for an article that covers 120+ years of competition, and multiple events within that competition, it's understandable. Please fix the above. I'm concerned about Source 94 -- and how many others like that might be lurking. --MikeVitale 03:54, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the source review! I appreciate your time. I will examine the sources you've identified as missing archives when I get home, as the school's network has blocked the internet archive website (for whatever reason). Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:15, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- User:MikeVitale, all of your comments should now be addressed and all sources should be archived. Please let me know if you have any further concerns. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Happy to support after follow-up. --MikeVitale 03:26, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Promoting. --PresN 17:11, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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