Wikipedia:Featured article review/Effects of Hurricane Isabel in Delaware/archive1

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The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 5:29, 31 May 2025 (UTC) [1].

Effects of Hurricane Isabel in Delaware

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I am nominating this featured article for review because it should probably be merged. The Isabel article is under 5,000 words, so this sub-article could fit in its entirety, even though a lot of the information is redundant with other states in the Mid-Atlantic. I was the original writer, and wrote the rest of the Isabel series. The original FAC even had some opposition due to its short length, so I don't think the FARC will be that controversial. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:16, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move to FARC and then (IAR) delist per Hurricanehink. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:47, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Substantial information was cut [2] in the last merge, thus suggesting this article cannot handle the extra content without important information being removed. --68.216.63.106 (talk) 22:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What important information was removed? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:30, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can’t see exactly what, but paragraphs of information was removed, some with particularly notable information about certain localized yet significant impacts. Generally, merges are in place when the information can all fit, and I don’t think it could in that case. 2600:387:15:5310:0:0:0:B (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, there was a lot of duplicate information across various states from when they had all separate sub-articles. Such as FEMA declarations or states of emergency. Similarly, multiple instances of road flooding or power outages or downed trees or watches and warnings don't need to be repeated across each state. That's the kind of information that, when this article is merged, would not be included, which is why I feel this article could be merged easily. So unless you can point to specific notable information that was excluded from other articles, then I don't feel that should apply to this FARC. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- While the total amount of power outages in Pennsylvania is there, a lot of information more specific to the storm was cut. All information on Pennsylvania’s rainfall total was cut too. Rainfall totals in Connecticut and Massachusetts. Furthermore, all information on West Virginia was removed. 2600:387:15:5314:0:0:0:4 (talk) 22:25, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- But does Wikipedia need to list the rainfall total for every single state, and should it even attempt it? That's what Also, no, there's West Virginia information in the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:30, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- I was wrong about WV, but I think at least state maximums should be recorded - also, 3” is regionally significant, representing ~75% of a months average precip. Also, all information on wind gusts in PA was removed, with some of them being near 50 mph. I think it’s too much information being removed. 2600:387:15:5317:0:0:0:7 (talk) 23:36, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- Why should state maximums be included? Half of New England states only got an inch of rainfall. That's borderline trivial, which would make Isabel fail the FA criteria for a different reason. As for wind gusts, Isabel's article literally has two different PA wind gusts. I think you are being too picky when it comes to mergers, and I don't think any of this means that the Delaware sub-article should stay. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I mean, one inch of rainfall is highly significant in regions of the country. Hurricane Hilary, a FA, mentions the 2.1” of rain in Hilltop, AZ. 2600:387:15:5317:0:0:0:7 (talk) 15:14, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- One inch of rainfall in New England is completely different than two inches of rainfall in the desert. As a reminder for what Wikipedia is not, it is not a directory or an indisriminate collection of information. The rainfall totals need to matter for them to be in an article. At this point, your comments don't help much for this FARC, sorry to be blunt. The point stands with this nomination - the Delaware sub-article can be merged easily without loss of content, and that the Isabel article has not suffered from the mergers. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why was it decided to go FAR->merge rather than merge->FAR? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There was a proposal to merge the Delaware sub-article, along with other sub-articles, last year, but users opposed because the Delaware sub-article was featured. If people were opposing a merger because it was featured, I figured that FARC should be the first step then, but if I'm mistaken, I can open a proper merge discussion for just this article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:17, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section

Scope and length. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:09, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delist - there's a lot of information that's needlessly specific to this state, with a lot of overlap compared to other nearby states. Isabel wasn't particularly bad in Delaware. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:22, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delist I trust the nominator's judgment of article quality for this topic area. Hog Farm _Talk 16:34, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:29, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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