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The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 13 April 2025 [1].

Group of Personal Friends

Nominator(s): Chetsford (talk) 20:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Salvador Allende's personal bodyguard. It was a small organization of a few dozen personnel that existed for just three years at the end of which virtually everyone was killed; as a result, not a lot has been written about it (in RS, at least) and this may be shorter than the average FA candidate, but I believe it represents a comprehensive treatment of the subject. I created it awhile ago and it was classed as B by MILHIST; I've recently expanded and updated it. It's been awhile since I've nominated an article for FA so I hope reviewers will be brutally attentive to errors or omissions. I apologize in advance, as a major source is offline and two others are in Spanish. Chetsford (talk) 20:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw as nom ... Based on two sources that Averageuntitleduser identified about which I was previously unaware, I'd like to withdraw this to allow time to read and incorporate additional information from those sources. Thank you to those who reviewed! Chetsford (talk) 19:28, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Suggest adding alt text

File:Salvador_Allende_2.jpg: when and where was this first published and what is its status in the US?

File:Golpe_de_Estado_1973.jpg: source link is dead

File:World_Press_Photo_(1974).jpg: licensing doesn't match source. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:53, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Nikkimaria! This is now updated. Chetsford (talk) 05:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from mujinga

Looks interesting, will give some prose and structure comments:

"The Group of Personal Friends was formed to serve as Salvador Allende's bodyguard during his 1970 presidential campaign by Fernando Gómez, a member of the Cuban-trained Bolivian guerrilla group the ELN, at the instigation of Allende's daughter, Beatriz Allende.[2] By the time of the election, the GAP had expanded with the addition of more ex-ELN combatants volunteering to provide security to Allende and, later, members of the Revolutionary Left Movement (MIR).[2]" - I think the way to refer to spanish langaueg groups needs standardising, since here we have three ways:
Group of Personal Friends should prob be Group of Personal Friends (Spanish: Grupo de Amigos Personales) as in the lead

ELN could be spelled out Ejército de Liberación Nacional de Bolivia (National Liberation Army of Bolivia; ELN) on first mention

Revolutionary Left Movement (MIR) to be consistent could be Revolutionary Left Movement (Spanish: Movimiento de Izquierda Revolucionaria; MIR)
don't think you did these? and sorry forgot to add GAP at the end of the first one - {{langx|es|Grupo de Amigos Personales}}; GAP) Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
who is Arturo Marshall?
done Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
use of nom de guerre needs standardising since currently you have "(nom de guerre Bruno the White)" and (nom de guerre "Mariano")
done Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure off the top of my head if single sentence paragrpahs are actually against the MOS, but it seems a bit strange to me. I'd suggest forming them into bigger paragraphs.
What did you think on this one? Happy to wait for other opinions as well Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tanquetazo should prob be El Tanquetazo ("The tank putsch")
worth adding ("The tank putsch") as well? Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Carabineros de Chile can be wikilinked
linked in lead but not body Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have Gen. three times, can that be spelt out as General?
done Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could the memorial and in pop culture sections be merged?
done Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If Max Marambio was a notable mebmer of GAP, then I'd expect him to be mentioned in the article.
Notes one and two could be put back into the body
done Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In note three, it would be worth spelling out ELN as the Colombian group the National Liberation Army (Spanish: Ejército de Liberación Nacional; ELN) to make it clear it's a different ELN to the Chilean one
I ran a few bots for MOS compliance - well the hyphen one worked, the date one I didn't save becuase I'm confused if "11 September 1973" by Orlando Lagos needs to be standardised and the IAbout is running on a massive time lag for archiving links

Thanks for the interesting read, let me know if something I said doesn't make sense. Mujinga (talk) 21:27, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mujinga - thank you very much. I think I got everything updated, but you can give it a quick scan to make sure I didn't miss anything? For Max Marambio, I changed "notable personnel" (since you correctly note he wasn't that notable) to "see also". On the son of José Muñoz, I spun it off into a new stub José Muñoz Alcoholado. Chetsford (talk) 00:54, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chetsford for me as a reviewer it would be easier if you could answer on each point then I can see what's done. You missed a few I think, replies above. On Max Marambio I meant more that if he was in GAP then that could be mentioned in the article. Nice one for making José Muñoz Alcoholado! And I'm happy to see the IAbot did come through. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Averageuntitleduser

I have concerns about comprehensiveness. These three books return many results, and I can confirm that the two English books have a good amount of material. Also, what is the deal with Compañeros: el GAP: la escolta de Allende, which seems to be a full-length book about their history? It has 59 citations on Google Scholar (the previous three books cite it) and Zamora was reportedly teaching at the University of Valparaíso and ARCIS University at the time. If it is not reliable, it at least suggests that there is more to be said. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 01:59, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Averageuntitleduser - thanks very much. I attempted to avoid referencing Compañeros directly, and only to refer to it to the extent it was cited in other sources. While Zamora is a distinguished military historian, he's also a longtime and prominent member of the PS who was most active during its revolutionary phase (he explains that here [2]). Since the GAP is/was an operating unit of the PS during the revolutionary phase, I was concerned the source would be negatively evaluated in light of WP:INDEPENDENT, though I am open to being disabused of that notion if it's misplaced. Chetsford (talk) 02:46, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I know enough about the subject matter or FAC sourcing to judge on Zamora, and the suggested book by Eduardo Labarca may have a similar problem. But I think the English books are definitely worth including; they have great publishers and reviews. Sorry for missing that Beatriz Allende is already cited, but I imagine more information could be extracted. Overall, I get the feeling that the article is a bit thin considering how much information is seemingly available about the group. That is certainly not actionable though, so I will try to look into it more and report back in a few days. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 04:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a quick comment, I would say Zamora could be used with caution for (things like) facts about the group (dates, members etc) and used with a note about his involvement for (things like) opinions on the success/failure of the group. Mujinga (talk) 17:09, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lean oppose on comprehensiveness. Alongside the two by Tanya Hammer, there are still more books with good coverage of GAP: see these two in Spanish and this in English. A lot of the coverage seems useful, if sometimes sporadic. I find Mujinga's opinion on using Zamora sensible, and I also wonder why only a small page range for Pérez is cited, when the rest of his article discusses in more detail, for example, the formation of the group, the lead up to and day of the 1973 coup, and the fate of the members. The article is very interesting and written clearly, though. I hope you will develop it further. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 04:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 23:22, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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