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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 23 April 2025 [1].


Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As we lurch towards the end of a quite mediocre season for my favourite football team, let's step back exactly one hundred years and see how they were getting on back then. Probably the most notable thing about this season is that Gillingham's sixth qualifying round match in the FA Cup wound up lasting for nine hours!! Feedback as ever will be most gratefully received and swiftly acted upon -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MS

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Lead
  • Marshall made the most appearances, being absent for only one game, and was also top goalscorer with 11 goals. His full name could be used here since it is the first instance of him being named in the article (excluding the infobox).
January-May
  • ...the Athletic News reported that in the latter match Arthur Sykes, deputising for Fox in goal, only handled the ball three times in the entire game. Could "thrice" be used here in place of "three times"?
    • I feel that "thrice" is a rather archaic/uncommon word and "three times" reads more naturally. If he had only handled the ball at two points I would be happy using "twice" but I don't think "thrice" is a word many people use...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:38, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FA Cup

....the Birmingham Gazette reported that the pitch was "scarcely fit for play" ?

Minor suggestions above. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

750h

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Reviewing this! comments incoming. 750h+ 11:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments below @ChrisTheDude:. Feel free to refuse my suggestions with justification.

lead
  • Barrow in a match which had to be ==> "Barrow in a match that had to be"
background and pre-season

No problems here.

third division south
  • that it had in fact crossed the goal line is "in fact" needed"
  • winds, and as a result no half would add a comma after "result" since it seems that we use this format through out the rest of the article (eg "On 15 November, Gillingham" instead of "On 15 November Gillingham")
  • Joe Craddock made his debut in the forward ==> "Joe Craddock debuted in the forward"
fa cup
  • the fifth qualifying round, and were this comma doesn't seem needed
  • Molineux Stadium, home ground of Wolverhampton Wanderers ==> "Molineux Stadium, the home ground of Wolverhampton Wanderers"
  • and Barrow met again at The Den, home ground of Millwall ==> "and Barrow met again at The Den, the home ground of Millwall"
players

No problems here.

aftermath
  • after his departure it would be a further ==> "after his departure, it would be a further"

Great article ChrisTheDude; all of my comments were quite minor. Happy to leave my !vote once all of my comments are addressed. 750h+ 11:47, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@750h+: - thanks for your review, all done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:02, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to support! 750h+ 00:10, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SC Comments to follow shortly. - SchroCat (talk) 14:26, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild

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Recusing to review.

  • Works cited: Triggs 1999 has a publisher location, the other works don't.
  • "In the second half of the season, Gillingham struggled to score goals". Maybe 'In the second half of the season, Gillingham again struggled to score goals'?
  • "was 9,000 for the FA Cup match against Barrow." → 'was 9,000 for the first FA Cup match against Barrow.'
  • "Gillingham had finished in 22nd and last place in the league table in their first season in the division". "... in ... in ... in ... in ..." Maybe 'Gillingham had finished in 22nd and last place at the end of their first season in the division' or similar?
  • "Wilkinson and Brown both scored two goals". Perhaps 'Wilkinson and Brown each scored two goals'.
  • "the first time all season" doesn't really work. (The "all" implies the whole season.) Maybe 'the first time in the season' or 'the only time all season' as the case may be?
  • "Hall had three shots on goal which hit the goalposts". 'at goal'?
  • Is "o.g." needed in either the league match details or the cup match details keys?
  • "the teams had played for nine hours before a victory was achieved." Maybe 'the teams had played for nine hours before this victory was achieved.'
  • "it would be a further seven seasons before Gillingham finished in the top half again." You don't need both "further" and "again".

A nice, flowing read, despite my nit picking. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:56, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild: - many thanks for your review. All done bar the seventh one. "a shot on goal" is a standard/common expression (certainly in British English) - see e.g. the sixth paragraph of this BBC report -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:57, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that a shot on goal is one which would have been a goal bar a save or interception. And so excludes shots which hit the frame of the goal. They would be mere shots, or perhaps 'shots at goal'. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gog the Mild: - a valid point. I didn't read the comment properly. I've now changed it to simply "shots" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:26, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source and image review

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The player photos require a bit more information on when they were published. ALT text and usage seem fine. Pretty sure I have reviewed most sources here already, but for reference, does "Bradley, Andy; Triggs, Roger (1994). Home of the Shouting Men: Complete History of Gillingham Football Club 1893–1993. Gillingham F.C. ISBN 978-0-9523361-0-5." have a reputation of reliability? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: The player photos were published on cigarette cards, and the descriptions already say, for example, "Footballer Tommy Hall on a cigarette card issued by the Pinnace cigarette company in 1922" and "Footballer Jock Robertson on a cigarette card issued by the Pinnace cigarette company in 1922". I don't know what more I can really say about when they were published. I don't have an exact date in 1922 for when the cards were released, but then if an image first appeared in a book published in 1922 it would surely be deemed acceptable without needing to know the exact date in that year when the book was published and surely the same applies here.....? Re: Home of the Shouting Men, it was published by the club itself (it was a glossy coffee table book published to mark the club's centenary). It's only used to cite who the chairman was during this particular season and I can see no compelling reason why a book published by the club itself which includes a list of all the past chairmen of the club (as it does) would not be considered a reliable source for who the chairman was in a given year......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:23, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK then. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:18, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Query

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@FAC coordinators: - I have a new nom pretty much ready to go. As of tomorrow, this one will have been open for three weeks and seems to have multiple supports as well as SR and IR passes. Might I be permitted to open the new nom? Thanks! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing. FrB.TG (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FrB.TG: - thank you most kindly -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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