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WATCH Recent filter changes (): Filter 1014 — Pattern modified Last changed at 00:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC) Filter 1311 (new) — Actions: throttle; Flags: enabled,private; Pattern modified Last changed at 20:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC) Filter 1310 (new) — Actions: none; Flags: enabled,public; Pattern modified Last changed at 17:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC) This is the edit filter noticeboard, for coordination and discussion of edit filter use and management. If you wish to request an edit filter, please post at Wikipedia:Edit filter/Requested. If you would like to report a false positive, please post at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives. Private filters should not be discussed in detail here; please email an edit filter manager if you have specific concerns or questions about the content of hidden filters. There are currently 327 enabled filters and 47 stale filters with no hits in the past 30 days. Filter condition use is ~999, out of a maximum of 2000. (). See also the profiling data and edit filter graphs. Click here to start a new discussion thread

Prevent users from adding middle fingers in user space

Per subject, personally I feel that middle finger emoji is inappropriate Wikipedia itself, noting how it is often used for talk page vandalism, I suggest here after a talk that filter 680 (or any other appropriate filter) should block middle finger emojis (and potentially other emojis being added by non-autoconfirmed/IP) from userspace, not just mainspace. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I recommend adding it to 1053 (hist · log) and have a possible filter change, if any EFM wants to take a look mail me. Nobody (talk) 06:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

@1AmNobody24: Is this what you had in mind? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

@Suffusion of Yellow Not exactly, sent you a mail. Nobody (talk) 05:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I've added this condition to filter 53; it'll flag edits that add this emoji to any namespace. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Skibidi uwu gyatt 42069

I just got done with the bot-reported part of AIV: thank you, thank you to all of you building these filters that keep SO MUCH SHIT out of our articles. I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 14:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I had a look because I was curious, and I can absolutely say I have had enough of "gyatt" and related terminology for at least a few years. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 00:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Kudos to 614 (hist · log) for keeping all of this brainrot nonsense out from articles, ¿eh? Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 01:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Yep. Whenever a newly coined word becomes popular enough to enter the mainstream, some immediately think "Can I vandalize Wikipedia with it?" Thanks to our filter managers for preventing that. Justarandomamerican (talk) Have a good day! 21:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Reminder

From WP:EF (emphasis added): Except in urgent situations, new edit filters must not be set to disallow without thorough testing and a notice at the noticeboard to give other edit filter managers and the community time to review the filter for technical accuracy and necessity. In urgent situations, the notice may be made after-the-fact. I think this is still important, even if most people have gotten out of this habit. Except in the most extreme cases, a day or two in log-only isn't going to hurt, and there may be subtleties you haven't considered. And more eyes are always better. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

There's also User:MusikBot/FilterMonitor/Recent changes to keep track of filter changes. Nobody (talk) 05:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Tag-only can't hurt as well, right? Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 05:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Log only is best, because if a filter goes awry and starts firing constantly it would leave lots of changetags that could confuse other editors. — xaosflux ^Talk 17:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Filter 1310

• 1310 (hist · log) (Trump "felon" meme, public)

Shortly after Trump was impeached, the was a flood of people trying to add "and the only X to be impeached by the house" every place his name was mentioned. See 1018 (hist · log). Now, of course, it's "convicted felon". We already have this at a page about a number, and this at a page about his son's school. Obviously, keeping this log-only; in some contexts it's going to be appropriate. But please keep an eye out. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 00:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Should the templating instructions be collapsed by default on the EFFPR page?

So I tried a bit of tinkering, and it's fully possible of course to collapse the instructions from the editnotice at Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports so that the page isn't half taken up by the templates when editing the page (removing duplicates, anything that has to be done manually instead of script-assisted). It's a useful guide when one is first starting out on the false positives page, but for those who already have experience dealing with them (I would characterize a majority of the editors on the page), a guide to the EFFP template is helpful to have there, but not always necessary. So I would therefore propose that the editnotice be changed from:

{{EFFP/codes}}

to the following:

{{Collapse top|title=Instructions}} {{EFFP/codes}} {{Collapse bottom}}

EggRoll97 ^(talk) 20:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I second this as well. Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 02:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm opposed to this change. Since I don't use a script to answer the requests and instead use the 1-click Short Codes this creates more work for me. Nobody (talk) 06:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Requesting Edit filter helper rights

There are 4 days, 21 hours, 13 minutes and 24 seconds until earliest closure. (refresh)

Sakura emad (t · th · c · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^{(acc · ap · ev · fm · mms · npr · pm · pc · rb · te)}

Hi,
I am requesting Edit Filter Helper rights to aid in expanding and enhancing the quality and experience of AbuseFilter on the CKB Wikipedia.
I aim to learn from the English Wikipedia's approach to improve ckbwiki's filters and its effectiveness. also i have a good understanding of account security. and as an extended confirmed editor and reviewer on the English Wikipedia, I believe that i have sufficient English understanding and proficiency.
Additionally, I am an interface-admin and sysop on ckbwiki and hold various rights across multiple WMF projects, demonstrating my trustworthiness and capability.
Thanks —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 05:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

QuestionNeutral You've satisfied the bar (probably?) for trust. I'm more interested on if you'd be able to elaborate on your working with filters on your homewiki. I've tried to check for your contributions to filters over there, but everything about the AbuseFilter is locked down on CKB, and so it's pretty hard to examine any work you've done with filters without being in the GAFH usergroup. Your rights on CKBwiki are currently sysop and interface admin, the latter of which doesn't relate to the AbuseFilter extension on CKBwiki (Another group, "Interface editors", appears to be the local equivalent of non-admin edit filter manager on CKB?), and the former of which doesn't necessarily indicate work with the edit filter by default. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 07:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Correction, only admins on ckbwiki can modify filters, based on looking at the ListGroupRights special page over there. Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 20:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the abusefilter-modify right is available to interface editors (not interface administrators, despite the commonality of naming) as well as admins. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• To provide some input and context: I was approached by Sakura about some of our edit filters on the Wikipedia Community Discord (which is off-wiki). Her original request to me was for the regex code for the private edit filters that I created and manage (51, 53). Obviously, that didn't and really can't happen. The conditions and methods I use in those filters to efficiently identify and tag abuse would be significantly compromised if any of the regex code were to fall into the wrong hands. I do trust Sakura emad and I do believe that she is doing this to try and improve the chb-wiki's filter rules. But, as you all know, if a mistake or mishandling of the code were to occur (such as accidentally being made public in a change, etc), you can't "get the cat back into the bag once set loose". Hence, I suggested she gather demonstrable experience from her contributions and create a request for edit filter helper instead. When I asked Sakura on the wiki discord about her level of experience with regex and with modifying filter rules, she responded, "i [sic] send most of them to https://ckb.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:aram [sic]" and that "he is ckb technican". I was able to review the edit filters on the ckb-wiki as well as her level of involvement with them, and her contributions don't show much in that manner. Since I was approached by her off-wiki (Wikipedia Community Discord), I'm just going to add the information and facts about this request. I hope the information I provided is useful either way. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried asking for the contents of individual private filters? Are there any specific filters in your mind? I also note that I can't view the logs for abuse filters on ckbwiki without being confirmed. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

0xDeadbeef- EggRoll97, I've learned quite a few things from my experiences on the English and Simple Wikipedia. My adminship, particularly on Simple Wikipedia, has been crucial in shaping the admin I am today. Most of my experiences i've got came from these wikis, and the admins that helped me. even my global rollback right came from the experience of fighting and preventing vandalism on simplewiki. Given this background, it's clear that much of what I've learned did not come from ckbwiki alone. I believe that learning from the English Wikipedia’s approach to edit filters will greatly enhance my ability to improve and work on the current abusefilter on ckbwiki. I am committed to respect and responsibly use the rights I am granted.
I have reviewed WP:EFH, especially the WP:EFHCRITERIA and the "Common use cases" on that page. I meet the requirements and specifically fit the second case under common use cases, as someone working with edit filters on another WMF wiki who wants to learn from the English Wikipedia's experience and approach.
Thanks —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 16:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

You don't have adminship on Simple, as far as I can tell...you have rollback, but that is far from any work with the AbuseFilter outside of CKBwiki, which you still have yet to elaborate on your work regarding. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 20:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

EggRoll97, let me clarify-; What I meant is that if it were not for my experiences on simplewiki in dealing with vandalism, deletion requests, etc. i wouldn't be the admin i am today on ckbwiki. Of course, it is obvious that I am not an admin on simplewiki my global status is already in public knowledge. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 06:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Sakura emad, do you also intend to help with filters on enwiki, now that you work with filters on ckbwiki as an administrator over there? I'm also curious about your regex knowledge in relation to edit filters here and there. Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 17:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Codename Noreste, Yes i would love to, actually. But i believe that i have to gain more experience first. Then I'd be happy to contribute on both WMF projects.
Thanks —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 06:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

However, based on what Oshwah said in this context, it's pretty clear that you should gain much more experience with edit filters here, as well as your edit count. There are the public filters in which you can help here, and I'm not sure if your need requires access to private filters, in which most of those filters are private because of specific LTAs on this project, and some are hidden as well because the logs can contain personal information and/or other stuff that should not be made public. So because of ER97 and Ingenuity, I'm gonna have to oppose your EFH request at this time. Sorry. Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 18:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• What kinds of private filters are you looking to access? Most relevant filters (614, 384, etc.) are already public. —Ingenuity (t • c) 22:41, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Ingenuity - I just added some information and context in this discussion that will answer your question. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Based on the information given by Oshwah through off-wiki contact, I don't have much confidence that the requestor is actively involved with edit filter work on their homewiki. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 03:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
  • EggRoll97, I understand the concern about my activity level with edit filters. I am working on them actually, but my limited experience and knowledge mean my contributions might not be as visible as expected of me yet. as you know Abusefilters are highly sensitive matter, and i just can't make changes for learning or experimentation. That's why my activity might not appear as high, but i do work on them on ckbwiki to the best of my current abilities. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 06:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
    • Much of the problem is that we can't see your contributions to CKBwiki's edit filters, and even if you were to post the logs publicly, it wouldn't be verifiable since it's not the actual logs themselves. A lot of it as well is that you still haven't elaborated either here or to the mailing list (which only contains EFH/EFM/sysops and where you could easily disclose any private filter contributions on CKBwiki that might not be best to post publicly) about your work on edit filters. Further, having seen the edit filters you requested from Oshwah, the contents of those filters are extremely sensitive to any type of outside access, and so are a lot of the other private filters, with one of them being traditionally information that would be oversighted if it wasn't a private filter. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 18:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
      • EggRoll97, are you suggesting that my request for 'extremely sensitive' filters implies an intention to harm the community? Out of the 54 abuse filters on ckbwiki, 10 are under my name. I need this right specifically to improve the quality of abuse filters on ckbwiki and contribute to them effectively. My account age is almost 4 years. Also regardless of contributions and Group-rights promotions i've received on ckb, please check CentralAuth—my home wiki is not ckbwiki, it is Enwiki.
        Oshwah failed to mention that I asked for 3 filters back then; I didn't specifically ask for his filters, but because he was the only admin I reached out to, 2 of the 3 filters were his. The reason I asked for the filters that Oshwah made was purely for improvement and gaining experience, since they were the only private filters at the time that I thought ckbwiki didn't have and that I needed to learn from, for the benefit of both projects in the future. Do you think Oshwah would have assisted me with the requesting procedure if he didn't trust me with abuse filters? —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
        Before requesting anything, I carefully examined the vital details of Wikipedia:Edit filter helper and only requested this right after I fully understood that I meet the requirements mentioned and that I'm fit for the position. Reading "Those working with edit filters on another WMF wiki who want to learn from the English Wikipedia's experience," I believe I did what I was guided to do. These opposes are unexpected for me since I don't know what regulations or rules I broke. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
        • I suggested nothing of the sort. See WP:EFHCRITERIA, This is a highly specialized right that is routinely denied even to experienced editors...Meeting all the above criteria does not guarantee a request will obtain consensus support to pass, and I don't believe you have a demonstrated need currently to see private filters. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 22:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
          • EggRoll97, I believe I have repeatedly stated that I am working on improving the quality of ckbwiki abusefilters. If this doesn't demonstrate my commitment, then what else does?, however, it seems, Showing demonstration does not necessarily equate to being seen as one. —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 04:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per EggRoll. I also don't really see why access to private filters is needed. —Ingenuity (t • c) 14:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Set filter 1311 to disallow?

• 1311 (hist · log) ("LTA 1311", private)

Should be self explanatory. Private really means private here. Please do not even allude to what it's doing. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks fine, but needs very close monitoring (trying to be highly vague here, but I agree it's best to have this on disallow). EggRoll97 ^(talk) 21:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)