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Differential ratios
I find that there's a lot of confusion in the non-enthusiast public about how to define a "higher" vs "lower" gear, because it's customary to refer to first or second gear as "low" gear, while fourth or fifth is "high" gear; however, a "low" gear in this context has a higher numeric ratio and a higher engine RPM at a given speed. This causes a muddle when trying to decide whether to say that a gear ratio was "raised" or "lowered". I don't know about where you live, but it's common for enthusiasts in the U.S. to refer to a higher numeric gear ratio as a "shorter" gear and a lower numeric ratio as a "taller" or "longer" gear to make communications clear; however, I think this qualifies as WP:JARGON that would make little sense to the uninitiated, and I'm not sure it's universal throughout the English-speaking world either. Carguychris (talk) 15:18, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, we have the same problem in Australia. Properly a diff ratio should be like 1:4.3 or 1/4.3 but most magazines just put 4.3 and leave it to the reader to know what taller/shorter/higher/lower means. Australian magazines use the terminology from both the UK and US, so we get all the combinations. Stepho talk23:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Celicas
Am I Beige (489)?
Hi Stepho; I was dismayed to see that your page is down. Banpei's mirror is missing a number of things, including the Celica brochures. I was looking to see which colors Toyota used on the 1979 Celica in Australia - perhaps you can help, or perhaps even send the brochure scans to Banpei so that they could update? Thanks, Mr.choppers | ✎ 22:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
The singular image that remained, chosen by the individual in question, that represented the global Toyota Camry (XV30).The BMW 1 Series (F40) page uses Vauxford’s UK taken picture, even though the UK market isn’t mentioned in the article It is somewhat irritating. The Camry (XV30) page was significantly worsened by Left guide until I spent hours looking for sources, most of which were pretty poor quality, that were for some reason absent before (OSX didn’t add sources on a lot of his edits for some reason). Left guide substantially removed the important markets, retaining only the Chinese and South East Asian markets. Additionally, he changed the lead photo, and after all of the removing, the page showcased one single image representing the global Camry, and that is the image on the left. After he removed all of the markets, he changed the lead picture. His edit summary was “swapping out image selection that was based on WP:OR (which is forbidden by policy), since there have been no sources in this article that verify the existence of an Australian version of this vehicle”. This is not a consistent rationale. Many, many automotive Wikipedia articles, such as the BMW 1 Series (F40), do not mention the countries where the cars are sold, yet they use lead pictures taken in those respective countries. If anybody would like to see the revision before that, here it is. Main point is, please don’t make the page look bad, or remove the important things without searching, because the XV30 was practically ruined when Left guide removed all of those markets and changed the lead pic. I apologise if my explanation was unclear.
It appears that his focus is not solely directed at Stepho. When I edited the Toyota RAV4 page, which had not been modified for two weeks, about six hours after my edit, he came, looked at any unsourced content, and removed it. 750h+ (talk) 01:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I've notice that he seems to be following my edits. In general, his edits have been good. And he pays attention to the corrections I've made to his edits (mostly formatting). He is a bit, shall we say, enthusiastic about deleting unreferenced material. Hard to criticise him when this stuff has been there for years with references, even though the info is probably true. Stepho talk22:22, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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The problem with adding {{clear}} is that it makes articles look messy and amateurish rather than professional and encyclopaedic. Which, to my mind, is far more important than matching up endless images with text. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Actually, my opinion is the exact opposite. Have things lined up and each image within its section looks far more professional. Having images creeping into the wrong section or creeping halfway across section titles makes it look amateurish and makes it far harder to relate to each image. Also, without the {{clear}}'s, the article suffers even more from WP:SANDWICH. Stepho talk10:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Each to their own. If you think huge patches of whitespace in the article look good then so be it (not so much a problem on phones, but certainly a problem on monitors). I'm not getting into a edit war over it. But personally, I loathe them. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:14, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
That's okay, we each have our own opinions. Personally, I loathe random things that don't line up nicely. As you said, each to their own. Stepho talk10:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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I was curious, so I looked up some info from my own archives.
A Nov 1992 Japanese brochure lists the MR2 height as 1235 mm. Note: Nov 1992 matches the US 1993 model year.
An undated Australian brochure for the SW20 intro (assuming mid 1989) lists it as 1240 mm.
An undated Australian brochure for a mid-generation SW20 update lists it as 1235 mm and specifically says it got suspension updates with more negative camber front and rear to drop it 5 mm.
Metric conversions are: 1,235 mm (48.6 in) and 1,240 mm (48.8 in)
The YouTube video from 1990 says 1240 mm, so that also checks out. Beware that YouTube videos by random contributors are often seen as unreliable. But videos like this that are actually proper, professional productions (eg, old TV programs) are fine.
Beware that the Mark Dorman page refers to Wikipedia. We need to be careful that he hasn't sourced height information from WP because that becomes WP acting as its own reference. See WP:CIRC.
Sorry that I was harsh on you but WP lives and dies by its references. Anything without a reference must be considered as being unreliable. And the references must be in a place that can be checked in years to come, so they are usually done inline in the text and put inside <ref>...</ref> tags and {{cite web}}. See examples inside the MR2 article. References in edit summaries in 2024 will be practically impossible to see in 2030, which is why we put them inline in the text.
