Template:Did you know nominations/Fatema Al Harbi
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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 10:32, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
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Fatema Al Harbi
- ... that Bahraini author Fatema Al Harbi, who wears a hijab, posts about the Holocaust on social media in response to widespread Holocaust denial in the Arab world?
- Source: Stutman, Gabe (9 November 2021). "Arab and Israeli delegates tout Abraham Accords on Bay Area visit". J. "Fatema Al Harbi, a hijab-wearing Bahraini youth activist....'" and Jonathan Sacerdoti (January 7, 2022). "Meet the Arab Zionists: a new generation of online pioneers," The Jewish Chronicle "These trips can also have a much broader effect, challenging wider antisemitism and even educating participants about the Holocaust. Ms Al-Harbi remembers a transformational visit to Yad Vashem.... The first thing I did was share the whole experience with my followers through Instagram and Twitter. “I have around 9,000 followers on Instagram, so I shared the experience with them. “I wanted them to know what I learned that day, because people in our countries don’t know.”" Andraos, Zuhair (April 30, 2022). "Completing normalization in Poland: Arab and Muslim influencers from Lebanon, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Morocco at Auschwitz to convey the truth to the Arabs". Rai Al-Youm. "Alharbi led the first Bahraini delegation from “Sharaka” to Israel... “Knowledge about the Holocaust is essential because most people in the Arab region deny it and say it never happened, so I think it’s important for them to see someone talking about it openly,” she said. Al-Harbi noted that she began posting about Israel on social media since her first visit to Israel."
- ALT1: ... that Bahraini author Fatema Al Harbi posts about the Holocaust on social media in response to widespread Holocaust denial in the Arab world? Source: as above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James Charnley House
- Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor as per the request on my talk page. The IP has also provided the QPQ (as usual). I note that technically, this is a day late, however, this is entirely my fault. The request was made to me three days ago and I've only got round to actioning this now.
Moved to mainspace by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C439:9C40:594F:1080 (talk), ForsythiaJo (talk), and Schwede66 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 169 past nominations.
Schwede66 21:41, 3 March 2025 (UTC).
Date, size, spotchecks, QPQ are fine, and I am also ok with the day-late per explanation above. But I think the hook is not good - it focuses on a minor aspect of her life, from a site of unclear reliability (https://www.raialyoum.com/). It is also based on an interview with her, so arguably, her posting about this to social media, while commendable, is not really noticed by anyone except her. So I am not even sure if this is WP:DUE in the article. But good news is that I see plenty of potential for better hooks. How about "was the first non-government Bahraini to visit Israel, facing death threats upon her return"? That seems to be based on three more reliable news sources. Could also focus on her works, ex. that her "novels blend romance with social commentary on women’s rights and mental health in Bahrain" (side note: can we add the names of her novels to the article?). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:46, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. I like your first suggested hook, if you think that better (for the reasons you mention). I will look for the titles of her books, but did not notice them in English sources (more likely I imagine in Arabic sources .. I will try to look further there, but it is slower going there for me). 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6835:48F1:1029:2A79 (talk) 06:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- The book titles (ideally with ISBNs) are not a DYK-requirement, I just feel they would be very useful here. Sadly, I cannot help much (she does not appear to exist in WorldCat under English or Arabic names as used in the article). As for the hook, if you can formally propose an ALT1, I'll review it and likely approve it :) PS. When you reply, please WP:ECHO me. And I strongly encourage you to create an account for various useful tools, from echo to WP:The Wikipedia Library access. If you like being an anon, nothing stops you from being anonymous after registration (in fact, registering will protect your IP from being disclosed...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:08, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment : This submission lacks neutrality and could be seen as implying that the Arab world is uniformly characterized by Holocaust denial, which might be perceived as overly broad or biased. Consider rephrasing to avoid generalizations. What the Arab world is characterized with is calling out the modern and still ongoing genocide, that does not constitute Holocaust denial. Also the mention of her wearing a hijab is irrelevant and borderline racist.Pattybradshaw (talk) 11:13, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
- The book titles (ideally with ISBNs) are not a DYK-requirement, I just feel they would be very useful here. Sadly, I cannot help much (she does not appear to exist in WorldCat under English or Arabic names as used in the article). As for the hook, if you can formally propose an ALT1, I'll review it and likely approve it :) PS. When you reply, please WP:ECHO me. And I strongly encourage you to create an account for various useful tools, from echo to WP:The Wikipedia Library access. If you like being an anon, nothing stops you from being anonymous after registration (in fact, registering will protect your IP from being disclosed...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:08, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. I like your first suggested hook, if you think that better (for the reasons you mention). I will look for the titles of her books, but did not notice them in English sources (more likely I imagine in Arabic sources .. I will try to look further there, but it is slower going there for me). 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6835:48F1:1029:2A79 (talk) 06:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Bahraini author Fatema Al Harbi, the first non-government Bahraini to visit Israel, faced death threats upon her return?
- Source: >Jonathan Sacerdoti (January 7, 2022). "Meet the Arab Zionists: a new generation of online pioneers," The Jewish Chronicle. "Arriving in Israel... Ms Al-Harbi became the first non-government Bahraini to visit. ... After Ms Al-Harbi’s first trip to Israel ... she ...received negative attention, including death threats."
- Thanks.Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus. See above. Interesting about the library. I will look at that. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:B988:8BEF:5DBE:59F6 (talk) 03:49, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
- Sure. I renamed ALT1 above to ALT2 since we already had ALT1 in the lead. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:57, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
Approving ALT2, per comments above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
