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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron talk 14:20, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

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Downstate (play)

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  • ... that Ted Cruz accused the play Downstate of celebrating pedophilia? Source: "After the Washington Post critic Peter Marks posted a link on Twitter to his favorable review, conservatives, including Senator Ted Cruz, attacked him. They claimed that the play and by extension the review were sympathetic to pedophiles." The New York Times
    • ALT1: ... that the theatre which premiered a play about sex offenders had to hire additional security for its run? Source: "So inflammatory are its themes that Steppenwolf, having received threats, had to hire additional security for the show’s run." The New York Times
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nawala Al-Mutawalli
    • Comment: I think ALT0 is stronger, but including ALT1 in case others disagree. The expansion tag in the synopsis section is just since it's been a few months since I've seen it and I don't trust myself to remember the full plot, but it's "reasonably complete" for the DYK standard, and if you find it an issue we could reasonably just remove it.
5x expanded by Sdkb (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.

Sdkb talk 06:03, 24 March 2025 (UTC).

  • I'm pretty certain that WP:PLOTCITE only applies to published works such as films and there's no indication this has made it out of the theatre, so the Synopsis and Characters need sourcing.--Launchballer 12:58, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
    Launchballer, thanks for taking a look! My understanding of WP:PLOTCITE is that it applies to all published works of fiction, and I would consider this a published work in that the script is available for purchase (ISBN: 978-1-63852-403-8). I haven't found a plot summary published online, so I wouldn't have anything to cite beyond the play itself (which is what PLOTCITE says doesn't need to be cited), and looking to precedents like Wicked_(musical)#Synopsis (a GA) I'm not seeing plots cited there either. For the character descriptions, though, because describing their personalities is a form of inference, I can see more of a need for citations, and they're available in the reviews so I've added them. I hope that helps address your note; please let me know if you need anything else to complete the review! Cheers, Sdkb talk 00:37, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
I didn't say I was doing a review, and wouldn't anyway while that tag was still deserved. (I have a firm policy of doing my QPQs oldest first.)--Launchballer 04:04, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
No worries (the use of the reviewer slash icon was what gave me the impression you were).
Per above, this is open for anyone who wants to take it up. Sdkb talk 05:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
I'll review this one in the morning. (Did say I wouldn't while the tag's deserved, but the alternative's United States government group chat leak...)--Launchballer 02:15, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough. Earwig is clean and the QPQ is valid. I took the tag off myself and can see no reason why this might deserve a dispute tag; this is {{lead too short}} borderline and could use an infobox, but these are not disqualifiers. As for the hooks, only ALT1 checks out as ALT0 requires knowledge of Cruz and therefore fails WP:DYKINT.--Launchballer 15:49, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, Launchballer! Regarding ALT0, Ted Cruz is such a popular figure that I'd say he's recognizable to almost all Americans and some portion of non-Americans. But if it'd help to pass WP:DYKINT, we could use introduce him as a U.S. Senator in ALT0a: that U.S. Senator Ted Cruz accused the play Downstate of celebrating pedophilia? That way, even for readers who don't know Cruz, the fact that an off-Broadway play attracted attention from a national politician should be of interest. Sdkb talk 18:20, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

I've pulled this from the queue after discussions about the suitability of the hook at Errors. Schwede66 09:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

This is an article about a play. The hook should be about the play. By cherry-picking the one negative review, we've turned this into a hook about Ted Cruz, not about the play. RoySmith (talk) 13:10, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Is there a reason why we can't just go with ALT1? That was the reviewer's original preference and also the hook that was originally promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:38, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
Pinging also @SL93:.--Launchballer 15:03, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
ALT1 looks good to me. RoySmith (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
This should probably go back into prep/queue.--Launchballer 15:18, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
I'm fine with ALT1 running at this point. (I'm not fully persuaded by the problems others seem to have with ALT0 here and here, but I don't want to put up a fuss about that, and based on the feedback my own judgement that ALT0 was more interesting may have been wrong.) Sdkb talk 00:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
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