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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 00:39, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

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Detention of Mahmoud Khalil

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  • Source: Shapiro, Eliza (2025-03-09). "ICE Arrests Pro-Palestinian Activist at Columbia". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2025-03-10.
Created by إيان (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 11:56, 11 March 2025 (UTC).

Sounds good to me. Full review needed.--Launchballer 15:49, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
This hook still demands some U.S.-specific knowledge—that it's unusual or remarkable for the US ICE to arrest permanent residents, and more broadly what the legal designation of "permanent resident" means. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 06:26, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
TBF, I can reword the "permanent resident" part, but I still believe putting out the full name of the org makes it pretty blatant; additionally, Trump's deportation efforts received some international coverage ([1][2][3]), so I expect a non-US reader to know surface-level info about ICE. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 12:02, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
I also had not heard of the organisation, but knew instinctively what they did.--Launchballer 12:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
Comment: This could potentially be combined with the Bridges v. Wixon nom below for a nice double hook. Bremps... 02:58, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
Let's see a hook. Courtesy ping to @Chetsford:.--Launchballer 03:10, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
I certainly don't object to combining the two but am agnostic on the point. While the two subjects are closely related, Bridges v. Wixon is not explicitly mentioned in the OP article so it might require some creativity to draft a hook that did not delve into original legal analysis. I'll defer to everyone else to decide. Chetsford (talk) 03:14, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the recent detention of legal immigrant Mahmoud Khalil has been compared to the 1945 case Bridges v. Wixon? Bremps... 03:29, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
It'll need an end-of-sentence citation and I'd consider adding "the documented immigrant" or somesuch for interest purposes. (Is it 1945 or 1947?)--Launchballer 13:40, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
My bad, it was '45. Feel free to make changes to the hook— the information is fully cited in the article. Bremps... 14:24, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that the recent detention of legal immigrant Mahmoud Khalil raises the same constitutional questions as a 1945 court case? Bremps... 15:44, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment: "Was described as" feels like a weasle word to me. It would be more notable if the source of the quote was mentioned in the hook to add a level of notability aside from, "Someone said X could be Y." GGOTCC (talk) 01:45, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

This article, created on 10 March, is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, and presentable. QPQ done. I've also reviewed Bridges v. Wixon at the nom. There is not a consensus that the hook fact has to be in both articles for a multi-hook like this, so its sufficient that its in Detention of Mahmoud Khalil, but it would be nice if someone added a paragraph about the detention to Bridges v. Wixon. I like ALT3 (ALT2 goes a bit beyond the article), but I'd modify it a little so it hews closer to Strossen's comments:
ALT3b: ... that the recent detention of legal immigrant Mahmoud Khalil raises similar constitutional questions to a 1945 court case?
ALT3c: ... that the recent detention of legal immigrant Mahmoud Khalil raises constitutional questions about the free speech rights of immigrants discussed in a 1945 court case?

Pinging involved editors @LunaEclipse, Chetsford, Launchballer, and Bremps: for their opinion on these hooks. ALT3c may need a new reviewer (per WP:DYKRR) if people like it. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 19:24, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

I think ALT3b is snappier than ALT3c.--Launchballer 05:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
ALT3b works. But how about ALT4: ... that the detention of Mahmoud Khalil raises constitutional questions nearly eighty years old? Bremps... 03:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
I think all these Alts are great! That said, Justice Murphy's quote is quite eloquent and is somewhat well known and it would be great -- but not absolutely necessary -- if we could incorporate it somehow into the hook like, for instance, ALT5: ... that the detention of Mahmoud Khalil recalls an earlier case that "will stand forever as a monument to man's intolerance of man"? --- This might be right on the cusp of being non-NPOV (hopefully the quotation marks ameliorate that concern, but maybe not). If so, I'm fine with any of the other hooks proposed, as well. They're all very good. Chetsford (talk) 03:38, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for all the ALTs. I think ALT5 is probably too far for wikivoice. It looks like this should be good to go with either ALT4 and ALT3b. Tenpop421 (talk) 11:48, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
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