Template:Did you know nominations/Annis Lee Wister
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 12:13, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
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Annis Lee Wister
- ... that Annis Lee Wister was the most well-known translator of German popular novels into English in the United States during the late 19th-century?
- Source: She was the most well known translator of German popular fiction in the United States at the time (source: Tatlock page 216)
- ALT1: ... that Annis Lee Wister translated into English all ten of the novels of E. Marlitt and an additional 32 German popular novels mostly written by women? Source: She translated all ten of the novels of E. Marlitt and an additional 32 popular German novels mostly written by women. (source: Tatlock pages 216 and 220)
- ALT2: ... that as a child, Annis Lee Wister translated Struwwelpeter from German to English? Source: As a child, she translated Struwwelpeter from German. (Source Tatlock page 218)
- Reviewed: Laurie Schipper
5x expanded by Dwkaminski (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.
Dwkaminski (talk) 18:48, 2 April 2025 (UTC).
- Question not review @Dwkaminski: how do you calculate 5x expansion? I get 2,347 characters now, but 725 characters before you started work, so you want 3,625. See Wikipedia:Did you know/DYKcheck. Perhaps "With Frederic Henry Hedge, she published Metrical Translations and Poems (1888)." and "Among her translations are:" could be excluded, reducing the starting point to 617 and the target to 3,085. TSventon (talk) 19:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
- I followed the guidance on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Did_you_know/DYKcheck.
Counting prose characters without DYKcheck You'll probably make a mistake trying to count this way, but you'll be close. Use a free website, or an external software program that has a character-counting feature. For example, if you are using Microsoft Word, select the text from the article page (or, in the case of "Did you know" nominations, the DYK talk page) – not the edit page containing Wikitext – then copy and paste it into a blank document. Delete everything DYKcheck doesn't count: infoboxes, categories, references, lists, tables, block quotes, headers, images and captions, the "See also" section if any, Table of Contents, edit buttons, "Citation needed" and similar superscripted text, and reference link numbers like [6]. Click "Tools" ("Review" in Office 2007), then "Word Count", and note the "Characters (with spaces)" figure. I used the word count though and not character. Give it quick fail. Dwkaminski (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
sorry about that, I have tried manual calculations and prefer the tool, even if it can sometimes be fooled by poor formatting. TSventon (talk) 20:25, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
I'm sure @Dwkaminski: could be given a little longer to get this to 3625.--Launchballer 03:18, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- I made additional edits and the article now meets the 5x increase requirement. Thanks! Dwkaminski (talk) 14:57, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
In terms of which hook works, I like ALT2 because a hover over the Struwwelpeter link brings up a very recognizable image. EEHalli (talk) 13:55, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
Full review needed now that the article, at 3749 prose characters, exceeds the 3625 required for a 5x expansion. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:07, 17 May 2025 (UTC)- Review Currently meets requirements for 5x expansion (as stated above). All text in the article is supported by inline references, and no copyright violations; most is sourced to Tatlock 2012. QPQ done. I imagine you could add the image in her obituary (to the article, not to this DYK) as it's in the public domain, but maybe not the one reprinted in the 2012 publication. I agree that ALT2 is the most interesting of the options and give that one my strongest approval
. -- Reconrabbit 19:32, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
- Just noting that ALT2 fails WP:DYKINT (it requires knowledge of Struwwelpeter), ALT0 also fails that (someone's going to be that), and ALT1 wants trimming to ALT1a: ... that the 42 novels Annis Lee Wister translated to English were mostly written by women?. It also needs approval.--Launchballer 12:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- The Style guide states; "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic. Intriguing hooks leave the reader wanting to know more – we want people to see the new articles our volunteers have put time and effort into crafting, and a hook that excites the reader into wanting to know more goes a long way towards that goal. Make sure to provide any necessary context for your hook; don't assume everyone worldwide is familiar with your subject. However, do keep hooks short and to the point." I submit that people do not need to know what Struwwelpeteter is, rather it is an invitation to click and learn more. Dwkaminski (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- That being said, I'm not opposed to:
- The Style guide states; "The hook should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic. Intriguing hooks leave the reader wanting to know more – we want people to see the new articles our volunteers have put time and effort into crafting, and a hook that excites the reader into wanting to know more goes a long way towards that goal. Make sure to provide any necessary context for your hook; don't assume everyone worldwide is familiar with your subject. However, do keep hooks short and to the point." I submit that people do not need to know what Struwwelpeteter is, rather it is an invitation to click and learn more. Dwkaminski (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Just noting that ALT2 fails WP:DYKINT (it requires knowledge of Struwwelpeter), ALT0 also fails that (someone's going to be that), and ALT1 wants trimming to ALT1a: ... that the 42 novels Annis Lee Wister translated to English were mostly written by women?. It also needs approval.--Launchballer 12:28, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- ALT1b: ... that Annis Lee Wister translated into English 42 German popular novels mostly written by women? Source: She translated all ten of the novels of E. Marlitt and an additional 32 popular German novels mostly written by women. (source: Tatlock pages 216 and 220) Dwkaminski (talk) 13:17, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Still my hook in a different order. I'll let someone else adjudicate on which order flows better.--Launchballer 13:24, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- I approve ALT2 specifically. In my opinion, it's the *only* interesting hook! The reason it doesn't rely on "special interest or knowledge" of a specific literary work is because it appeals to a basic human "lowest common denominator", which is the novelty of a child who translated a notable work. (In contrast, to me ALT1/1b sound boring – a woman translated lots of works by other women. So what? One way to fix it might be to hint at the time period.) Cielquiparle (talk) 07:44, 25 May 2025 (UTC)