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Did you know... that Donald Trump and his attorneys John Eastman and Rudy Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election?

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On 2 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved. The result of the discussion was Moved to Trump fake electors plot.

Opinion piece… should be deleted

This entry is a series of opinions and obviously so. It needs to be removed or very heavily edited to conform for Wikipedia's standards. George R. Brumder (talk) 03:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I share your concerns and am inclined to agree with this observation. Alistair McBuffio (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

where? soibangla (talk) 18:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The two comments above are WP:Forum posts and really should be deleted. We need comments relating to things such as policies and guidelines, not just opinions. Doug Weller talk 19:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

100% agree. I was surprised to see it. This sort of content discredits the validity of Wikipedia. 68.39.129.141 (talk) 02:35, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Potential BLP-Crime issues

From the article it looks like only one(?) person involved in this has been convicted. Therefore I think the wording needs to perhaps be more careful so as not to give the impression that someone has been found to have committed a crime, when there is not a conviction, per WP:BLPCRIME. This could be done, for instance, by the use of the word "allegedly" or with some kind of attribution in parts Tristario (talk) 00:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Georgia election racketeering prosecution has thus far resulted in four guilty pleas: Hall, Chesebro, Powell, and Ellis. Other charges are though still pending. Where does wording need to be changed to make that clear? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article says three of those guilty pleas were for charges not relating to the fake electors though? But that does seem like a fairly key detail to include in the lede, which it doesn't seem to be currently

In terms of where the wording needs to be changed - it's a bit tricky to answer that as I'm not completely sure the right way to approach this. If we say the scheme was to commit fraud, and we say someone devised the scheme, that could be reasonably interpreted as saying that person commited a criminal act, which we can't really say without a conviction.

One option could be to tone down the use of the word "fraudulent" and rather say there have been prosecutions, investigations, and guilty pleas for fraud, and use other words like "illegitimate certificates". Or alternatively make use of words like "alleged" and "according to" Tristario (talk) 03:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe all four guilty pleas relate to this, as all 18 indictments in Georgia stemmed from the fake electors probe. Georgia election racketeering prosecution#Guilty pleas shows the pleas were for "Conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties", "Conspiracy to commit filing false documents", and "Aiding and abetting false statements and writings". I didn't see what this article says about it yet. I did briefly check the article when replying to your post and did see that the words "alleged" and "allegations" are in use. Maybe they're not used in enough places. I can look more closely later, and hopefully others will as well. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a soap box

This article violates Wikipedias guidelines. Building consensus on deletion. 2600:100F:B1A0:EF66:0:36:4064:AE01 (talk) 21:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a soap box, correct. In what way do you think this article needs to be changed? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]