Talk:Sonesta International Hotels

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Briejks (talk · contribs) has been paid by Digital Spice on behalf of Sonesta International Hotels. Their editing has included contributions to this article. This user has been banned and may therefore be reverted on sight, per WP:REVERTBAN.
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Notability of article

@Htanaungg: added notability tag on this article, calling for "reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention." All 5 sources meet that criterion. They are detailed articles about Sonesta from the premier business press in Forbes and Dun+Bradstreet, and from the relevant industry press in Hotel Management and Skift. This chain is one of the biggest hotel chains in the world, and has corresponding major press coverage. Maybe someone can explain what more is needed in the way of sources, or I'll remove the tag. Kim9988 (talk) 04:51, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kim9988, cited sources are more commercial than neutral and reliable. The article also appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Htanaungg (talk) 05:12, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Egeymi: @FMSky: @Curious Shadow: @Gotitbro: @FrantisekKorbel: @JustStalin: @Dr.Callahan: @Bestoernest: @Esprit15d: These editors have contributed to the Forbes article, and may be able to address new page reviewer Htanaungg's concern that Forbes is commercial, not neutral, not reliable, not independent of Sonesta International Hotels. @FailedMusician: @Plot Spoiler: have contributed to the Skift article and may address concerns here about Skift as an independent reliable source. WP:RS deprecates e-commerce sources, but otherwise has no rule against commercial sources. Most journalism and academic sources are commercial. Kim9988 (talk) 16:44, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kim9988:, Sonesta is notable, but calling it one of the biggest hotel chains isn't quite accurate. Both Forbes and Skift are independent reliable source when they are publishing editorials (as opposed to advertorials), and this subject is a good example of their use as such. Hope this helps. FailedMusician (talk) 21:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@FailedMusician: Thanks for your comment about notability. Could you cite why it is not one of the biggest hotel chains? It's 12th in the world on List of chained-brand hotels by properties and 20th by number of rooms. Even if that list is incomplete, it's one of the biggest chains in the world. I think one of the sources said it was one of the biggest in the US, but I can't find that cite, so article does not say so yet. Kim9988 (talk) 00:38, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

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Hello,

I'm here to propose edits to this page. As a disclaimer: I'm being paid by Sonesta to propose this change.

First off, I want to clarify the tag on the main page. I can confirm that Sonesta had hired Briejks to edit the page last year. Sonesta was not aware that there is a process for editors with a COI to propose changes, and the user did not disclose their COI, and the edits were reverted immediately; the editor was later banned as a sock puppet account. While I am following procedure in proposing these changes, I felt it's important to mention this before I propose my changes, and I will be adding

I have three sections that I am proposing changes to.

Infobox

Update the CEO section to the current CEO, John Murray.

Lead

Revise the lead to the following:

Sonesta International Hotels Corporation is an American hotel company based in Newton, Massachusetts.^[1] Founded in 1937, Sonesta operates in eight countries and has over 1,200 properties as of 2023.^[2] It is the 8th-largest hotel company in the United States.^[3] Sonesta's largest hotels are in Los Angeles, Houston, Chicago and New Orleans.^[4]

The primary purpose for this is to provide more context for the company, and to remove the text-based list of subsidiaries.

Expansion, acquisition of Red Lion Hotels Corporation

Proposing the addition of two new paragraphs:

In September 2021, Sonesta began hotel franchising in the United States under Sonesta Franchising.^[5]^[2] In March 2022, John Murray was named CEO, succeeding outgoing CEO Carlos Flores.^[6]

As of 2023, the company operates in eight countries and has over 1,200 properties.^[2] It is the 8th-largest hotel company in the United States as of 2024.^[3]

These proposed edits relate to company developments, including the additional content added into the lead.

New section - Brands

Sonesta Brands^[7]
Brand
Americas Best Value Inn by Sonesta
Canadas Best Value Inn by Sonesta
Classico
MOD, a Sonesta Collection
Red Lion Inn, Hotels and Suites
Signature Inn by Sonesta
Sonesta Essential
Sonesta ES Suites
Sonesta Hotels, Resorts & Cruises
Sonesta Select
Sonesta Simply Suites
The James Hotels
The Royal Sonesta

This is just a table listing the brands Sonesta owns. Given the size of the company, it makes sense to mention, or cover them, somewhere on the page.

I'd be happy to answer any questions related to these proposed edits, or to revise the proposal. Toa Nidhiki05 (Work) (talk) 20:34, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Timeline". Sonesta. 2021-02-06. Retrieved 2021-09-15.
^ ^a ^b ^c Nandi, Kathakali (August 1, 2023). "Sonesta adds 13 properties to portfolio in H1 2023". Hotels. Retrieved February 23, 2025.
^ ^a ^b Orozco, Yvette (June 4, 2024). "La Porte welcomes 84-room hotel with pet-friendly amenities". Houston Chronicle. Retrieved February 23, 2025.
^ Simon, Elaine (2021-04-21). "Sonesta levels up with expanded franchise offerings". Hotel Management. Retrieved 2021-08-31.
^ Daigle, Adam (August 2, 2023). "National hotel company adds Lafayette hotel to its portfolio". The Advocate. Retrieved February 23, 2025.
^ Staff, Caribbean Journal (March 14, 2022). "Sonesta Has a New CEO". Caribbean Journal. Retrieved February 23, 2025.
^ "Explore Our Brands". Sonesta. Retrieved February 25, 2025.

[1] "Timeline". Sonesta. 2021-02-06. Retrieved 2021-09-15.

[Sonesta_adds_13_properties_to_portfolio_in_H1_2023-2] Nandi, Kathakali (August 1, 2023). "Sonesta adds 13 properties to portfolio in H1 2023". Hotels. Retrieved February 23, 2025.

[La_Porte_welcomes_84-room_hotel_with_pet-friendly_amenities-3] Orozco, Yvette (June 4, 2024). "La Porte welcomes 84-room hotel with pet-friendly amenities". Houston Chronicle. Retrieved February 23, 2025.

[hm4-4] Simon, Elaine (2021-04-21). "Sonesta levels up with expanded franchise offerings". Hotel Management. Retrieved 2021-08-31.

[National_hotel_company_adds_Lafayette_hotel_to_its_portfolio-5] Daigle, Adam (August 2, 2023). "National hotel company adds Lafayette hotel to its portfolio". The Advocate. Retrieved February 23, 2025.

[Sonesta_Has_a_New_CEO-6] Staff, Caribbean Journal (March 14, 2022). "Sonesta Has a New CEO". Caribbean Journal. Retrieved February 23, 2025.

[Explore_Our_Brands-7] "Explore Our Brands". Sonesta. Retrieved February 25, 2025.

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